| TheMuso | AlanBell: Problem with that is X. I have heard of many reports where people try to boot headless/no monitor connected, and X refuses to load due to no monitor. | 01:15 |
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| JanC | X should start if you make it use the 'dummy' video driver I assume | 01:20 |
| paul_h1 | hard to make it do that if you've got no monitor | 01:22 |
| JanC | I guess it could be a fallback option if X refuses to start? although, that would probably not be a good idea for most use cases... ;) | 01:36 |
| JanC | maybe a boot option | 01:36 |
| paul_h1 | I don't know the origin of this thread. my point is that as someone who can't see: it's hard to know when to specify boot options when the CD is booting | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | paul_h1: AlanBell suggested that if you start the live CD without a monitor, an audio/screen reader instal is run by default... | 01:56 |
| paul_h1 | TheMuso: what? since when? | 01:59 |
| TheMuso | AlanBell: It was just a suggestion. | 01:59 |
| TheMuso | paul_h1: ^^ sorry meant you | 01:59 |
| paul_h1 | TheMuso: oh with you... | 02:01 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: poke | 10:41 |
| AlanBell | hi Pendulum | 10:42 |
| Pendulum | you haven't done your Maverick attempt, right? | 10:43 |
| AlanBell | no, not yet | 10:43 |
| Pendulum | Fudge: AlanBell is the person who wrote the wonderful ranty Lucid install guide ;-) | 10:43 |
| nigelb | haha | 10:43 |
| AlanBell | ranty!! | 10:43 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: It was a polite rant | 10:43 |
| AlanBell | I expect the Maverick one will be tbh | 10:43 |
| AlanBell | hi Fudge o/ | 10:44 |
| Fudge | hi AlanBell it was a good read mate, nice post | 10:47 |
| Fudge | im trying to do the accessible install now but the steps have changed | 10:48 |
| Fudge | well, i think they have | 10:48 |
| AlanBell | yes, I think the installer has changed quite a bit | 10:48 |
| AlanBell | I was planning to do a keystroke by keystroke guide to the installer sometime soon | 10:49 |
| Fudge | any idea where i could find out whats changed? | 10:49 |
| AlanBell | didn't want to start it until the final CD was released | 10:49 |
| Fudge | you are sighted? | 10:49 |
| AlanBell | yes, I am | 10:50 |
| Fudge | ah that would be very helpful | 10:50 |
| Fudge | uve grabbed the iso already> | 10:50 |
| AlanBell | I have the final ISO | 10:51 |
| AlanBell | I will probably go through it tomorrow evening I think | 10:51 |
| Fudge | dont guess u have some time now to take a squiz at it | 10:51 |
| Fudge | ah, understood | 10:51 |
| Fudge | its approaching 0pm here | 10:51 |
| Fudge | 9 | 10:51 |
| AlanBell | I need to rearrange some hard disks in computers first | 11:01 |
| AlanBell | actually I will have a runthrough in a virtual machine before I try it on real hardware | 11:25 |
| AlanBell | oh wow, that is rubbish | 11:28 |
| AlanBell | I will have to rethink how to do this blog post | 11:31 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: that bad? | 12:10 |
| AlanBell | yeah | 12:12 |
| Pendulum | :( | 12:15 |
| AlanBell | I think I may do a video of it with audio if I can | 12:16 |
| AlanBell | do a screencast of the install in a vm | 12:16 |
| Pendulum | :) | 12:16 |
| AlanBell | and do the same with Lucid to compare the two | 12:16 |
| Pendulum | let me know if you want me to do captions. I should be typing-good soonish | 12:16 |
| AlanBell | getting some silver rings? | 12:17 |
| Pendulum | I get fitted on Friday! | 12:17 |
| AlanBell | yay | 12:17 |
| AlanBell | pics plz :) | 12:17 |
| Pendulum | then it depends on the insurance fight for how quickly it happens | 12:17 |
| AlanBell | I am working on getting http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/SimpleMente installed on wiki.ubuntu.com | 15:11 |
| AlanBell | it is a moin wiki theme with improved support for screenreaders | 15:11 |
| AlanBell | might not be perfect, but it seems to be a sound base for improving upon | 15:11 |
| charlie-tca | :-) | 15:12 |
| AlanBell | good luck with the openweek session charlie-tca, I will miss it live, but will catch the logs | 18:15 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks. I will do my best | 18:15 |
| Fudge | hi all | 22:59 |
| Fudge | AlanBell how bad is it loL | 22:59 |
| AlanBell | hi Fudge, it is totally silent :( | 22:59 |
| AlanBell | absolutely no way I could figure it out without seeing it | 23:00 |
| Fudge | are the accessibility steps still in the installer? | 23:05 |
| AlanBell | kind of | 23:05 |
| Fudge | i tried to boot it normally last night by just letting it load and it still didnt come to the party | 23:06 |
| Fudge | as when you setup orca i assume tha tyou can still restart gnome to enable the accessibility profile | 23:06 |
| AlanBell | you press space after a bit, then F5 then down 3 times (I think it is 3) | 23:06 |
| Fudge | so u dont have to choose a language now? | 23:07 |
| AlanBell | then it boots with orca, but orca can't see the installer dialog or any contents | 23:07 |
| AlanBell | oh, sorry, yes the language question first | 23:07 |
| Fudge | so i was trying to push the number 3 and enter | 23:07 |
| AlanBell | one sec, let me fire up the VM again | 23:07 |
| Fudge | no worries | 23:07 |
| Fudge | i wish i could just ssh -X to the box once installing ssh to the live cd and install over an X session | 23:08 |
| Fudge | but when ever ive tried things like that orca says inaccessible | 23:08 |
| AlanBell | ok, turn on, hit space | 23:08 |
| AlanBell | asking me for language so I hit return to select English | 23:08 |
| AlanBell | F5 for accessibility menu | 23:09 |
| AlanBell | down 3 times for Screen Reader | 23:09 |
| AlanBell | enter again to try Ubuntu without installing (it would be down+enter to go to the installer rather than to the desktop) | 23:10 |
| AlanBell | jungle drums | 23:10 |
| AlanBell | welcome to Orca | 23:11 |
| Fudge | ok im at that step | 23:11 |
| AlanBell | (which I think should be welcome to Ubuntu) | 23:11 |
| Fudge | yes true | 23:11 |
| Fudge | your post was interesting from a headless install | 23:11 |
| AlanBell | one thing I want to do is show how accessible technology is dead handy for everyone | 23:12 |
| Fudge | i think orca at gdm login is really good for small children | 23:12 |
| AlanBell | and get more people interested in it, and fixing bugs with it | 23:12 |
| paul_h1 | AlanBell: Orca is saying that it is starting. it isn't just Ubuntu's screen reader | 23:12 |
| AlanBell | excellent point | 23:12 |
| Fudge | see my cd has stopped spinning now with no desktop | 23:12 |
| AlanBell | paul_h1: yes, I understand that, I just think on first boot of the live CD it should read out some useful text, starting with welcome to Ubuntu | 23:13 |
| AlanBell | then explain what Orca is | 23:13 |
| AlanBell | Fudge: you have a monitor plugged in? | 23:13 |
| Fudge | you said arrow down three times, as in to the fourth option? | 23:13 |
| Fudge | yes | 23:13 |
| AlanBell | correct | 23:14 |
| Fudge | although this box works headless with no X issues anyhow | 23:14 |
| AlanBell | the options are: None, High Contrast, Magnifier, Screen Reader, Braille Terminal, Keyboard Modifiers, On-Screen Keyboard | 23:15 |
| Fudge | i dont understand why none needs to be there | 23:15 |
| AlanBell | quite how you are supposed to select the On-Screen Keyboard option without actually having a real keyboard is a mystery | 23:15 |
| Fudge | loL | 23:15 |
| Fudge | mouse? | 23:15 |
| AlanBell | no, you can't use a mouse at this point of the installer | 23:16 |
| Fudge | once hitting space i see a bright screen with a light coloured background | 23:16 |
| AlanBell | is that right at the start of the process? | 23:17 |
| Fudge | yes | 23:17 |
| AlanBell | you might be looking at the list of languages then | 23:18 |
| AlanBell | it is getting late here, I am going to have to leave it for tonight | 23:18 |
| AlanBell | night all o/ | 23:19 |
| Fudge | thanks mate | 23:19 |
| Fudge | its morning here lol | 23:19 |
| AlanBell | Fudge: what country are you in? | 23:20 |
| Fudge | australia | 23:20 |
| Fudge | state of tasmania | 23:20 |
| AlanBell | nice | 23:20 |
| dutchie | i know people from tasmania! | 23:20 |
| * AlanBell is in the UK | 23:21 | |
| Fudge | mm i seem to be stuck in some prompt where arrowing around produces a pc speaker beep | 23:21 |
| Fudge | ah 10 hours ahead | 23:21 |
| Fudge | blind ppl dutchie ? | 23:21 |
| dutchie | Fudge: no, rowing people | 23:21 |
| Fudge | an X of mine used to row | 23:21 |
| Fudge | alot of nice ppl in volved in the sport | 23:21 |
| dutchie | (not that the things are mutually exclusive) | 23:21 |
| * dutchie goes back to calculus | 23:22 | |
| Fudge | joy :p | 23:22 |
| AlanBell | Fudge: you could ask in #ubuntu-au for someone to walk through the install with you | 23:23 |
| dutchie | well, i did ask for it by studying maths at university | 23:23 |
| Fudge | wow dutchie | 23:23 |
| Fudge | AlanBell ill prob wait for a mate to come round but thanks for suggestion | 23:23 |
| paul_h1 | Fudge: which version of ubuntu are you trying to install? if it's Maverick you have no chance if you rely on Orca speech. I recommend you install Lucid then do a distro upgrade to Maverick | 23:25 |
| Fudge | i did try that nad it failed miserably lol | 23:26 |
| Fudge | its no biggy im just trying to take a peak at the new changes in it since alpha3 when i used it for a bit on my cli box | 23:26 |
| TheMuso | I don't think "welcome to..." is what should be said. "Orca is ready" is beter. | 23:38 |
| TheMuso | better | 23:38 |
| Fudge | howdy | 23:42 |
| paul_h1 | TheMuso: probably, but it's splitting hairs a bit... | 23:43 |
| TheMuso | How so? | 23:46 |
| paul_h1 | well I just mean that 'orca is ready' or 'welcome to orca' ... doesn't really matter. so long as you know it's running | 23:47 |
| Fudge | i think orca shoudl automatically unmute volume control if its muted | 23:47 |
| TheMuso | Fudge: No, orca should not touch volume at all, period. | 23:52 |
| TheMuso | paul_h1: Right, but welcome to orca sounds weird, contextually. | 23:52 |
| TheMuso | To me anyway. | 23:52 |
| paul_h1 | TheMuso: sure, I agree. just saying it's not that important + agree totally on volume issue | 23:53 |
| TheMuso | Yeah I see your point. | 23:54 |
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