[01:15] AlanBell: Problem with that is X. I have heard of many reports where people try to boot headless/no monitor connected, and X refuses to load due to no monitor. [01:20] X should start if you make it use the 'dummy' video driver I assume [01:22] hard to make it do that if you've got no monitor [01:36] I guess it could be a fallback option if X refuses to start? although, that would probably not be a good idea for most use cases... ;) [01:36] maybe a boot option [01:41] I don't know the origin of this thread. my point is that as someone who can't see: it's hard to know when to specify boot options when the CD is booting [01:56] paul_h1: AlanBell suggested that if you start the live CD without a monitor, an audio/screen reader instal is run by default... [01:59] TheMuso: what? since when? [01:59] AlanBell: It was just a suggestion. [01:59] paul_h1: ^^ sorry meant you [02:01] TheMuso: oh with you... [10:41] AlanBell: poke [10:42] hi Pendulum [10:43] you haven't done your Maverick attempt, right? [10:43] no, not yet [10:43] Fudge: AlanBell is the person who wrote the wonderful ranty Lucid install guide ;-) [10:43] haha [10:43] ranty!! [10:43] AlanBell: It was a polite rant [10:43] I expect the Maverick one will be tbh [10:44] hi Fudge o/ [10:47] hi AlanBell it was a good read mate, nice post [10:48] im trying to do the accessible install now but the steps have changed [10:48] well, i think they have [10:48] yes, I think the installer has changed quite a bit [10:49] I was planning to do a keystroke by keystroke guide to the installer sometime soon [10:49] any idea where i could find out whats changed? [10:49] didn't want to start it until the final CD was released [10:49] you are sighted? [10:50] yes, I am [10:50] ah that would be very helpful [10:50] uve grabbed the iso already> [10:51] I have the final ISO [10:51] I will probably go through it tomorrow evening I think [10:51] dont guess u have some time now to take a squiz at it [10:51] ah, understood [10:51] its approaching 0pm here [10:51] 9 [11:01] I need to rearrange some hard disks in computers first [11:25] actually I will have a runthrough in a virtual machine before I try it on real hardware [11:28] oh wow, that is rubbish [11:31] I will have to rethink how to do this blog post [12:10] AlanBell: that bad? [12:12] yeah [12:15] :( [12:16] I think I may do a video of it with audio if I can [12:16] do a screencast of the install in a vm [12:16] :) [12:16] and do the same with Lucid to compare the two [12:16] let me know if you want me to do captions. I should be typing-good soonish [12:17] getting some silver rings? [12:17] I get fitted on Friday! [12:17] yay [12:17] pics plz :) [12:17] then it depends on the insurance fight for how quickly it happens [15:11] I am working on getting http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/SimpleMente installed on wiki.ubuntu.com [15:11] it is a moin wiki theme with improved support for screenreaders [15:11] might not be perfect, but it seems to be a sound base for improving upon [15:12] :-) [18:15] good luck with the openweek session charlie-tca, I will miss it live, but will catch the logs [18:15] Thanks. I will do my best [22:59] hi all [22:59] AlanBell how bad is it loL [22:59] hi Fudge, it is totally silent :( [23:00] absolutely no way I could figure it out without seeing it [23:05] are the accessibility steps still in the installer? [23:05] kind of [23:06] i tried to boot it normally last night by just letting it load and it still didnt come to the party [23:06] as when you setup orca i assume tha tyou can still restart gnome to enable the accessibility profile [23:06] you press space after a bit, then F5 then down 3 times (I think it is 3) [23:07] so u dont have to choose a language now? [23:07] then it boots with orca, but orca can't see the installer dialog or any contents [23:07] oh, sorry, yes the language question first [23:07] so i was trying to push the number 3 and enter [23:07] one sec, let me fire up the VM again [23:07] no worries [23:08] i wish i could just ssh -X to the box once installing ssh to the live cd and install over an X session [23:08] but when ever ive tried things like that orca says inaccessible [23:08] ok, turn on, hit space [23:08] asking me for language so I hit return to select English [23:09] F5 for accessibility menu [23:09] down 3 times for Screen Reader [23:10] enter again to try Ubuntu without installing (it would be down+enter to go to the installer rather than to the desktop) [23:10] jungle drums [23:11] welcome to Orca [23:11] ok im at that step [23:11] (which I think should be welcome to Ubuntu) [23:11] yes true [23:11] your post was interesting from a headless install [23:12] one thing I want to do is show how accessible technology is dead handy for everyone [23:12] i think orca at gdm login is really good for small children [23:12] and get more people interested in it, and fixing bugs with it [23:12] AlanBell: Orca is saying that it is starting. it isn't just Ubuntu's screen reader [23:12] excellent point [23:12] see my cd has stopped spinning now with no desktop [23:13] paul_h1: yes, I understand that, I just think on first boot of the live CD it should read out some useful text, starting with welcome to Ubuntu [23:13] then explain what Orca is [23:13] Fudge: you have a monitor plugged in? [23:13] you said arrow down three times, as in to the fourth option? [23:13] yes [23:14] correct [23:14] although this box works headless with no X issues anyhow [23:15] the options are: None, High Contrast, Magnifier, Screen Reader, Braille Terminal, Keyboard Modifiers, On-Screen Keyboard [23:15] i dont understand why none needs to be there [23:15] quite how you are supposed to select the On-Screen Keyboard option without actually having a real keyboard is a mystery [23:15] loL [23:15] mouse? [23:16] no, you can't use a mouse at this point of the installer [23:16] once hitting space i see a bright screen with a light coloured background [23:17] is that right at the start of the process? [23:17] yes [23:18] you might be looking at the list of languages then [23:18] it is getting late here, I am going to have to leave it for tonight [23:19] night all o/ [23:19] thanks mate [23:19] its morning here lol [23:20] Fudge: what country are you in? [23:20] australia [23:20] state of tasmania [23:20] nice [23:20] i know people from tasmania! [23:21] * AlanBell is in the UK [23:21] mm i seem to be stuck in some prompt where arrowing around produces a pc speaker beep [23:21] ah 10 hours ahead [23:21] blind ppl dutchie ? [23:21] Fudge: no, rowing people [23:21] an X of mine used to row [23:21] alot of nice ppl in volved in the sport [23:21] (not that the things are mutually exclusive) [23:22] * dutchie goes back to calculus [23:22] joy :p [23:23] Fudge: you could ask in #ubuntu-au for someone to walk through the install with you [23:23] well, i did ask for it by studying maths at university [23:23] wow dutchie [23:23] AlanBell ill prob wait for a mate to come round but thanks for suggestion [23:25] Fudge: which version of ubuntu are you trying to install? if it's Maverick you have no chance if you rely on Orca speech. I recommend you install Lucid then do a distro upgrade to Maverick [23:26] i did try that nad it failed miserably lol [23:26] its no biggy im just trying to take a peak at the new changes in it since alpha3 when i used it for a bit on my cli box [23:38] I don't think "welcome to..." is what should be said. "Orca is ready" is beter. [23:38] better [23:42] howdy [23:43] TheMuso: probably, but it's splitting hairs a bit... [23:46] How so? [23:47] well I just mean that 'orca is ready' or 'welcome to orca' ... doesn't really matter. so long as you know it's running [23:47] i think orca shoudl automatically unmute volume control if its muted [23:52] Fudge: No, orca should not touch volume at all, period. [23:52] paul_h1: Right, but welcome to orca sounds weird, contextually. [23:52] To me anyway. [23:53] TheMuso: sure, I agree. just saying it's not that important + agree totally on volume issue [23:54] Yeah I see your point.