=== hex_ is now known as hex86guy === vorian is now known as master === master is now known as vorian === juju2143 is now known as Crysis [04:17] hi [04:18] The sound icon is not appearing in startup application...can anybody tell how can I change the settings [05:37] Hello everyone === croppa_ is now known as croppa === jsimmons_ is now known as jsimmons [07:26] greetings to every one [07:55] any one there ? === eDGE is now known as Guest24757 === mshiburi is now known as mixo [13:03] Hi folks, anyone in here who can help me setup bind? I got it running but it s not working right. [13:13] Hi [13:14] hi sebsebseb [13:14] bilalakhtar: hi [13:14] sebsebseb: Attending the UOW? [13:15] bilalakhtar is conducting a session sebsebseb [13:15] drcooper: well, my session is tomorrow [13:15] was just asking sebsebseb [13:16] bilalakhtar: ok.. [13:17] bilalakhtar: back from school? [13:17] drcooper: just now :) BTW, how do you know I attend school? [13:17] bilalakhtar: all know u r 14 [13:17] bilalakhtar: yep [13:18] oh! [13:18] bilalakhtar: attending UOW back later [13:18] bilalakhtar: and im an Indian too..u are kindof getting famous [13:18] drcooper: good to know about you [13:20] bilalakhtar: checked out cricket score ?:D [13:21] So, this is neither a help channel nor a chat channel. [13:21] drcooper: yes, but I watch commonwealth games more nowadays :) This talk is getting offtopic, it would be better to move it to #ubuntu-classroom-chat [13:21] or even better, to #ubuntu-offtopic [13:23] And the bind question belongs in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server [13:28] persia, ok thanks i l go to u-server === hunt0r is now known as huntz0r === di3gopa_ is now known as di3gopa === yofel_ is now known as yofel === cmagina is now known as cmagina-afk === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina [14:43] hello my name is raja ..i am new to ubuntu .may i join here to listen .... [14:44] genupulas, join #ubuntu-classroom-chat [14:51] woo! [14:55] Hello folks! [14:55] nigelb: Your session? [14:55] Welcome to Day 2 of the Ubuntu Open Week [14:56] I hope you all had fun yesterday [14:56] If you missed yesterday's sessions, you can find the logs here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t15:01 [14:58] We have another awesome set of sesions today about Translations, Finding your place in the community, Inkscape, and Qimo 4 kids! [14:58] To know the full schedule, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek [15:00] Ok, we have a minute or so to go, so who's here and where are you from? [15:00] (respond in -chat) === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Event: Ubuntu Open Week - Current Session: Get started translating Ubuntu - Instructors: dpm [15:01] (... having some problems with a missing person stand by!) [15:01] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/12/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. [15:04] hello! [15:05] Ok, andrejz is going to step in and help us out [15:05] my name is andrejz and i am a slovenain launchpad group translation coordinator [15:05] we kind of put him on the spot so he's volunteered to take over, thanks andrejz! [15:05] i have been just told dpm is not here so i haven't really prepared [15:05] so if things seem a bit strange, just ask me and i will try to answer them as best as i can [15:07] QUESTION: can you explain how a new contributor finds out what and how to translate Ubuntu? [15:08] Ubuntu (and many other projects) are being translated through a web interface found on www.launchpad.net [15:08] So the first thing you need to do is get an account there [15:08] Then it's good to get in contact with your translation team - a list can be found here [15:08] https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators [15:09] Different groups have different workflows (do things in a different way) according to the number of active members and they find suits them best [15:10] So i guess it's best to ask the team leader where is the best area to contribute [15:10] QUESTION: Do different translation teams work in different ways? Are there different workflows and "rules"? [15:10] Yes they do [15:11] andrejz: just let me know when you are ready for new questions [15:11] ok [15:11] Maybe the people who asked them can say whether they were happy with the reply [15:11] So back to the question.. [15:12] for example some teams only translate the strings, while others thorouglhy review them to ensure better quality. Of course this depends on how strong the team is [15:12] Additionally a lot of translations get imported from upstream (for ubuntu two most important are gnome and debian) [15:13] in some languages translation groups in upstream exist, in others they don't [15:14] this can affect how the teams are going to cope with the workload. That's why it's best to get in contact with the team leader who is probably aware of what needs the most attention [15:14] next question please [15:14] bilalakhtar> QUESTION: Translation strings in Ubuntu keep changing very frequently early in the cycle. Hence, would you recommend new translators to work only after UI Freeze? [15:15] That's a double edged sword. My opinion it's good to translate even before UI freeze [15:15] the level of changes depends on the packages [15:16] You mind if I elaborate [15:16] for example if we take evolution - it's a really stable program, so one can translate it and be certain only a few strings will change on the other hand unity has been developed during this cycle, so strings changed a lot [15:17] so my advice is: do translate, but the projects for which the strings seem more "stable". Again translator coordinator should have a good grasp of which projects should be translated [15:17] TLE, please elaborate [15:17] It can also depend a lot on the resources of your team [15:17] To translate early you accept that some of your work may be lost because the strings change [15:18] but you also help with development by spotting errors in the strings, at least if you report them as bugs [15:18] this is very helpful for developers [15:19] but if you are a very small team you may not have reources to spend on that [15:19] Next question [15:19] dholbach> QUESTION: What is upstream? How can one work together with upstream? [15:19] Upstream are the projects from which ubuntu is built [15:20] There are a lot of them, but the most important are Gnome, KDE and Debian [15:20] Some of these projects (including the ones i mentioned below) also have their translation projects [15:21] so one can translate packages within Gnome, KDE, Debian, etc .. [15:21] Now again, it depends from team to team [15:21] For big languages (like spanish for example) there is a gnome translation team, debian translation team, etc.. [15:21] for some smaller there is no upstream translation team [15:22] you should visit sites of these projects to check whether they exist [15:22] translations are automatically imported into launchpad, after the release of upstream packages [15:23] so for example, translation will be imported in gnome the next time when gnome 2.32.1 is released [15:23] that's why there is usually some lag between the time when translations are translated in upstream and until they appear in launchpad [15:23] translations are currently not exported out of launchpad back to upstream [15:24] so by working together with upstream i am primarily referring to : making sure that you don't translated the same packages (duplication of work) [15:24] if you fix a bug in launchpad send notify the upstream, so they can fix it as well [15:25] it's also good if you maintain some vocabulary standards, etc.. [15:25] again it depends on the specific teams (whether they exist and how strong in manpower they are) [15:25] next question [15:26] Kottravai> QUESTION: Are there any specific rules to follow while translating? [15:26] You mean technical or grammar rules ? [15:27] andrejz: lets take the next one [15:27] Again it depends from team to team. For example in some teams it's required one enters the name of the package they intend to translate on a wiki [15:27] ok, sure TLE [15:27] while he elaborate [15:27] genupulas> QUESTION: what is meant by UI freeze [15:27] maybe expand to stings freeze as well [15:28] UI freeze means USer interface freeze. This means UI won't change anymore, so the translation strings are not going to change anymore. So UI freeze= string freeze [15:29] This in theory means that the strings, which you translate won't be changed (and hence lost) before release of next ubuntu version [15:29] usually this is about 1 month before the final release, actual date can be found in the release schedule [15:29] But there can always be some string freeze exceptions if there is a good reasons and translators agree with it [15:30] so it's good to be on ubuntu-translators mailing list in order to stay up to date with last minute strings changes [15:30] next question please [15:30] we'll go back to Kottravai question [15:30] Kottravai> I'm asking about any rules that are unique to ubuntu - terminology you should not use, etc. [15:31] No, there is no such thing. Of course different languages have different rules about foreign words, comas, voacabulary, etc. Some teams are more strict and others more loose. But there is nothing unique to ubuntu [15:32] next question [15:32] dholbach> QUESTION: Do you know of LoCo teams that come together locally to translate together? This way they could also show new contributors how to do it. [15:32] well, we do :) [15:33] we had this translations evenings this cycle, where people gathered (online) and translated /reviewed strings together. We really did a lot of work, and it's much easier to get motivated once you see others are motivated as well [15:34] I believe it's better if events for new contributors are seperate, because otherwise they suddenly appear in translation frenzy and they might not be able to get their questions answered as detailed as they would like [15:35] we also did that but earlier in this cycle (in august). In total we managed to get 3 regular new contributors, which is significant for a team of our size [15:35] I am sure some of the other teams do similar things as well [15:35] next question [15:35] QUESTION: How do I find a translating team for my language? [15:35] https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators [15:36] next question [15:36] QUESTION: Are translations re-done every cycle? If not completely, how much % of it can be re-used? [15:36] If the strings remain the same, then no additional work needs to be done [15:37] But a number of strings changes during a release cycle, either to improve their clarity or strings get added, because the program gets more functions. [15:37] these need to be translated [15:38] with the new message translation sharing it is now possible to translate a string in 10.10 and the string is then automatically translated in all previous supported ubuntu versions (if the string exist there) [15:38] so even if you are translating 10.10 you are still helping out with 10.04 [15:39] next and final question please, because i need to go (i jumped in at the last moment, so i couldn't allocate the time, sorry) [15:39] I can share a few approximate numbers [15:39] before the next question [15:39] ok [15:39] The Gnome desktop which is a group of modules that are quite central to Ubuntu [15:40] it consist of roughly 40000-45000 string [15:40] and of those ~10 - 15% have to be translated or updated in each 6 month cycle [15:40] very roughly [15:40] ;) [15:40] dholbach> QUESTION: What is the most difficult thing for a new translator? What should new translators be particular careful about? [15:41] In my experience it's the language. because we usually talk differently than we translate, so one needs to get accustomed to that. [15:42] also most translators are "power users" so they are quite familiar with english vocabulary and hence they tend to use englishisms a lot [15:43] but if you are active and have a good mentor (someone who reviews your strings and gives you advice) you can improve to a quality translator in a month or so it's not that hard. one just needs to be persistent [15:44] i need to leave, hope i answered your questions ok [15:44] thank you very much andrejz [15:44] I will answer the last question on my list [15:44] if you have any additional questions you can always post on ubuntu-translators mailing list or on IRC [15:44] regards [15:44] and then talk a little but quality [15:45] andrejz: have fun [15:45] Kottravai> QUESTION:What exactly are "Big" languages? === Rodemires is now known as Rodemire [15:45] Big languages are the ones spoken by lots of people [15:46] or rather langueges used to a large extend by computer userss [15:46] so something like spanish, english, chinese and so on [15:46] dholbach> QUESTION: Are there strings that are harder to translate than others? What about things like plurals or strings that include some kind of "code"? How can I test that I didn't break stuff when I translated? [15:47] Yes there are definitely strings that are harder than others [15:47] the first class of hard strings are single word ones e.g. "Load" [15:48] because english is quite ambigous, there is no way to know whether it refers to the noun or the verb [15:48] here you have to hope that the developers though of it and included a string that explains it [15:48] and if not you need to make a bugreport, because if you have that problem, then most likely other translators will to [15:49] you languaes team can help you determine the meaning or report a bug [15:49] second is something like strings with markup [15:49] "Hallo world" [15:50] we are seing fewer and fewer if such string, but for these it is important to not change the markup, i.e. the stuff between < .. > [15:50] lastly there is something like plural strings [15:51] There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. [15:51] e.g. if you want a string that says "You have ??? unsaved changes" [15:51] and you want ??? to be any number [15:51] or I should say if developers want ;) [15:52] then they will so called plural strings, they have one version for each plural state in english and you then need to make one translation for each plural state in your language [15:53] but this a quite an advanced topic and is much easier to grasp with an example, so ask you team or other translators when you run into it [15:53] I don't see any more questions, so lastly I will mention just a few quick words about quality [15:54] Strings that we translate are often very visible [15:54] therefore it is desireable to aim for as high quality in out translations as possible [15:54] However quality are a few different things [15:55] The obvious ones are grammar and spelling [15:55] take whatever help you can get and need to get it right, as many other people will see the strings you write [15:55] There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session. [15:56] this is not meant to discourage anyone, you do not need to be a grammar superhero, just as throrough as you can be [15:57] another thing concerning quality is the quality of the stuff that you are writing in your own language [15:57] in my case Danish [15:57] When you are transating you have the english string riiiiight next to the one you are writing === Fifthmarch is now known as anneboleyn [15:58] which makes it very easy to fall accidentally adopt the english sentence structure [15:58] which might not be the most elegant in your own language [15:59] so try and let go of the actual english sentence, focus on its contents and the formulate it in your own language [15:59] Well I could talk about translaion quality all day [15:59] but I think that was the last we had time for [16:00] if you have any more questions please drop by #ubuntu-translators and ask them there === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Event: Ubuntu Open Week - Current Session: How to go from user to contributor: Finding your place in the Ubunt - Instructors: Czajkowski [16:01] Aloha me again :) Many moons ago I started to use Ubuntu and that was me, an Ubuntu user and I was happy. But I wanted to do more, when I had an issue what did I do or who could I poke/prod and ask for help. I joined IRC and low and behold a whole new world was available to me. [16:01] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/12/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. [16:01] I could log bugs, report issues, translate, volunteer and lots lots more. If I can do it anyone and everyone can and I thought in todays session I'd point people in the right direction. As sometimes you just need a push in the right direction in order to help out. [16:01] Firstly, EVERYONE is welcome to help and contribute back, you do not have to a whiz in an area but rather be willing to learn and ask questions. There is no such thing as a daft or stupid or n00b, we all have to start somewhere and the Ubuntu community is one of the most welcoming communities around. [16:01] Many peope start off using Ubuntu and want to do more [16:02] so I'm hoping in this session to tell you about some areas you may be interested in getting involved in [16:02] So now you want to help, where do you go ? There are lots of teams out there and I'm going to highlight some of the ones that are good ways to get involved and introduced to the Ubuntu community! [16:02] Accessibility: [16:02] Works to improve the accessibility support on the Ubuntu platform and the software that runs on it. f you have further questions or suggestion you can reach us via IRC (#ubuntu-accessibility), our mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility The team is looking for more help with documentation, and testing, so if you want to get on board jump in and give a hand! [16:02] So you may not have heard of some of the teams [16:03] or not know they are looking for help [16:03] many idle on IRC and welcome people dropping by and asking questions and can point you in the right direction [16:03] Advocacy: [16:03] People like me :) and many of the open week presenters do this [16:04] There are lots of people who help out and promote Ubuntu and turn up for weeks like this one and are run by people who want to help and showcase Ubuntu and Free and open source software this is what advocacy is all about. [16:04] How can you get others on board without scaring them away. [16:04] the thing you have to remembers is not to force open source or Ubuntu on anyone, just talk ro explain to them what its about and let them decide [16:04] it;s all about choice. [16:05] Why not get involved in your loco team http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ Help organise events and take part in them by giving demos or short talks ? There is always a way to contribute, by even attending events that other groups like local lugs or user groups are running and talking or showing your laptop working using Ubuntu it spreads the word [16:05] so many people first get involved and get on irc via their loco team [16:05] you can also volunteer there also [16:05] help run meetings [16:05] update wiki websites [16:05] mailing lists [16:06] anneboleyn asked: What's a good option for someone who doesn't have much time to spare? [16:06] anneboleyn: great question [16:07] so starting off small and in your team is a great way [16:07] possibly taking a part of a wiki area and seeing if it needs to be updated in your team [16:07] always ask for help [16:07] or bug triaging which I'll get onto [16:07] Art/ Design: [16:08] Lots of choice here depending on your choice [16:08] The Art Community Team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork <- For contributing to the art in Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu etc [16:08] The Ayatana Design Community https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana <- For user experence, design and the science of user interactivity [16:08] The "I use Ubuntu and make Art" community http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/ [16:08] and finally [16:08] many many teams do some amazing artworkd [16:09] or create some funky templates for their teams [16:09] they add them to a website so we can all use them which is great! [16:09] if you have stuff for your team done and want to add it so other teams can benefit from it http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/ <- For contributing to LoCo media (posters etc) [16:09] Ethnopunk asked: Is there a way to contribute to making Ubuntu desktop a more productive user experience? [16:09] Ethnopunk: yes you can join the Ayatana mailing list and join the discssions there [16:10] or join #ubuntu-desktop and talk to the developers [16:11] Cloud: [16:11] cloud is the new thing everyone wants to get involved in [16:11] but many don't know where to turn to [16:11] Anyone interested in contributing to ubuntu cloud or server then why not have a chat with Ahmed Kamal / Kim0 on IRC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AhmedKamal and he will point you in the right direction and is currently looking for feedback for the next cycle on the cloud and community. [16:12] Documentation: [16:12] The Doc team is a group of community volunteers responsible for writing, editing, and updating the system documentation that ships with the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu desktop operating systems. New versions of these guides are available with each new release of Ubuntu [16:12] If you want to learn about documentation or get more experience in it or already do it why not help the documentation team. It's a great way to learn and also there is a mentoring program so if you're shy and want to make sure you don't mess things up too badly, there is a safety net with people there to help you. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam or join #ubuntu-doc [16:13] again if you've no experience do not be put off [16:13] we all have to learn somewhere [16:13] and the best thing is to jump in and just ask [16:13] you won't be told off and you get to learn new applications which will benefit you possibly career wise [16:14] LoCo Directory: [16:14] if anyone hasn't guessed by now I rather love the LD :) [16:14] We have a fantastic resource that is the LoCo Directory (LD) and it's being worked on by an amazing group of folks in the community, it's a community driven proect which started off as a blueprint at UDS and has come a long long long way! [16:14] BUT! we do know there are some kinks in it, if someone mentions UTC timezones once more to me....... :) We are looking for developers/patches translations ideas on how to help it improve or just to help with the current load of work! http://loco.ubuntu.com/ ask or join in #ubuntu-locoteams [16:15] they are currently looking for people to help with CSS and to help work on the bugs that are there at presenr [16:15] *present [16:15] they are also looking to translate it https://translations.launchpad.net/loco-directory [16:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bugs why not try some of these and ask the developers how to get working on them in #ubuntu-locoteams [16:16] Ubuntu Weekly News Letter: [16:16] also known as UWN https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter is always looking for more reviewers and writers, why not get on board and help out and learn more about the community. Or pop into #ubuntu-news and ask where you can help [16:17] So if you like to write or are good at interviewing people [16:17] or even better still reading and summerising work then join here :) [16:17] Testing: [16:17] Ubuntu Testing Team seeks to improve Ubuntu through structured and exploratory testing of packages and ISO images. We aim to detect as many bugs and issues as possible before CDs are released to the general public. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing [16:17] You can join their mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa or ask in #ubuntu-testing [16:18] There are lots of areas to chose from so don't be shy and thinking you can't test! Everyone tests in some manner or another when you do an upgrade or run an unstable release and you enconter an issue, now what do you do? DO you hope it goes away or someone else reports the bug! Why not learn more [16:18] lots of areas to chose from depending on your interest [16:18] Testing Team Activities [16:18] ISO Testing [16:18] Daily Smoke Testing [16:18] Stable Release Update (SRU) Testing [16:18] Feature Testing [16:18] General Testing [16:19] Application Testing [16:19] Automated Testing [16:19] Laptop Testing [16:19] Bugs [16:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities [16:20] There are also lots of bugs there sittting waiting there feeling rather unloved as they've been reported and not been triaged or marked as valid or verified why not [16:20] hermes asked: How does one start, if he/she wants to start contribution at the Kernel Level [16:21] hermes: you can ask in #ubuntu-kernel or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugTriage learn about how to traige bugs [16:21] anneboleyn asked: If I use my computer for testing, is there a chance that other apps will be damaged by bugs? [16:21] anneboleyn: heh [16:22] I won't say damage but if you are running unstable releases then you may find things not working the way you'd expect them to do so [16:22] Test Drive an Ubuntu ISO in a Virtual Machine [16:23] https://launchpad.net/testdrive [16:23] very useful tool [16:23] Translations: [16:23] A lot of teams provide language support and also help with the large job of translations as we do appreciate not everyone speaks English and would like Ubuntu or what ever application they use to be in their native language. There is a lot of help on their wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations with regular meetings and it gives you lots of pointers on where to get started. [16:23] Why not look them up on http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage or join #ubuntu-translations or asking dpm on irc for help [16:23] Their mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators [16:24] There is a way for everyone to contribute if you want to. If you get stuck or don't know where to get involved ASK SOMEONE you can ask in #ubuntu-locoteams and that's also a great place to hang out in IRC to meet other members from teams all over the world or ask in #ubuntu-community-team [16:25] WE have a massive community who are pretty tolerant and will help you if you need help. So don't worry. [16:25] Anyone have any questions ? [16:28] doctormo asked: did you talk about packaging at all? [16:29] Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted it links to [16:29] all the questions you have in #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-packaging [16:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training [16:29] or come along to bilalakhtar session tomorow on packaging [16:30] anneboleyn asked: Where can I learn more about advocacy? [16:31] anneboleyn: there isn't one set place on the wiki to be honest [16:31] you can ask in #ubuntu-locoteams [16:31] or the marketing team [16:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam [16:32] or #ubuntu-community-team [16:33] Anything else ? [16:34] nope? [16:35] doctormo asked: Is there a way to get involved with teaching or making classes? [16:36] doctormo: thanks good questions [16:36] you can get involved in both in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom [16:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning [16:37] both have people there to teach you [16:37] but also if there is an area you are good at and want to share with others [16:37] you can give a class in here [16:37] pawelh asked: I have been trying to get in touch with my country's LoCo, but it seems to be inactive. How can I jump start it? [16:37] pawelh what LoCo is this ? [16:38] as I said teams are listed http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ [16:38] if you team is listed there it SHOULD have a team contact named and contact details [16:38] if there is nobody there running it [16:38] you can contact me and the loco council https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil and we can help === simar__ is now known as simar [16:39] well the Polish loco is an APPROVED team http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-pl [16:40] they have a mailing list listed ? [16:40] so do try adn contact them and see what the story is [16:40] anneboleyn asked: Can I help with the content/presentation for classes even if I'm not very techno savvy?( Was an Instructional designer for a while) [16:41] anneboleyn: sure you can do a class on anything just contact the classroom team and they can help set up a session on it for you to run [16:41] anneboleyn: I'd say contact the learning team and see what you can sort out and work on [16:41] hope that helps === rodemires is now known as Rodemire [16:44] ok well if there are no more questions we can call it a day but if folks ever get stuck and want to know where to get involved you can dm me here on irc or mail me czajkowski @ ubuntu . com [16:44] Thanks for coming [16:46] Welcome to the Making Posters in Inkscape session, we've taken a bit of extra time because we need to do some prep work. [16:47] the first thing to do is to install inkscape, http://doctormo.org/install.pl?inkscape <- click there [16:48] One of the important parts of doing media work is organising yourself so you can find everything. Poster creation, like all publishing, is about bringing lots of existing elements together. [16:50] I'd like you to make a special folder to keep all your artworks in. Me I use ~/Graphics/ [16:51] There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Event: Ubuntu Open Week - Current Session: How to Make Posters using Inkscape - Instructors: doctormo [16:51] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/12/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. [16:52] I'm going to give you a library of existing elements, I've tried my hardest to document the licensing where it's original or commissioned work. I'd like you to download, extract and store in your graphics folder. I store mine in ~/Graphics/Media [16:52] http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/Media.tar.gz [16:52] This is a my precious media archive which all LoCo people, art and marketing people should download. [16:55] Once you have extracted your archive, I'd like you to open inkscape and get comfortable, open up your media directory too. [16:55] http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/inkscape-setup.png [16:55] This is my work environment for making published media like posters. [16:58] If you've got that all setup, then congratulations your ready for the class. I'll be printing this back out at 12:00 for everyone who has joined since and if all you who are ready can help those who are not in chat, that would be great. [17:00] Welcome again to the Making Posters in Inkscape session, you will need to do some prep work to get ready. For everyone who has joined us since the hour. [17:01] The first thing to do is to install inkscape, http://doctormo.org/install.pl?inkscape <- click there [17:01] One of the important parts of doing media work is organising yourself so you can find everything. Poster creation, like all publishing, is about bringing lots of existing elements together. [17:01] I'd like you to make a special folder to keep all your artworks in. Me, I use ~/Graphics/ [17:01] I'm going to give you a library of existing elements, I've tried my hardest to document the licensing where it's original or commissioned work. [17:01] http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/Media.tar.gz <- I'd like you to download, extract and store in your graphics folder. I store mine in ~/Graphics/Media [17:01] Once you have extracted your archive, I'd like you to open inkscape and get comfortable, open up your media directory too. [17:01] http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/inkscape-setup.png 11:55 <- Just like this [17:01] This is my work environment for making published media like posters. [17:01] If you've got that all setup, then congratulations your ready for the class. [17:02] I'll give you all another 3 minutes to do that, downloading the 7MB archive might take a second. [17:05] You can extract the archive by right clicking on it and selecting "Extract here" [17:05] You can have a look through the folders and see what's there, all fun stuff. [17:06] OK time to move on, don't worry if your still downloading, we'll be doing backgrounds first. [17:06] In your inkscape window, you'll have a canvas. It's important at this stage to get your canvas the right size and orentation. [17:06] File > Document Properties [17:07] In the Format selection, we're going to select Ledger/Tabloid which is two US Letter sheets stuck together. You can also use A3. [17:08] Where it says background, we're going to click on that and change the colour to pure white with no transparency. [17:09] Close that preferences window and go back tot he canvas. [17:09] Goto File > Save As and save your work, use the save button on the toolbar religiously. [17:10] Next we're going to make a square using the draw square tool [17:11] Make a square just less than the size of the canvas. Clicking on the fill/stroke properties we want to give this square a 4px black border and an orange fill, your choice on complexity. [17:13] http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/Screenshot.png <- Like this [17:15] Next we're going to write a title on our poster, I like to have a collection of fonts as much as I like a collection of media. [17:15] I install ttf-aenigma to get access to a lot of interesting fonts and fill my ~/.fonts directory with downloaded ttf files. [17:16] http://doctormo.org/install.pl?ttf-aenigma [17:16] You may have to restart inkscape to see the new fonts. [17:18] Once you have some text, we'll want to drag over an Ubuntu logo, which should be in the Ubuntu media folder. [17:18] Like so: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/Screenshot-1.png [17:21] Drag over some other elements and place them in your poster, go with images that reflect the style you want to convay. [17:22] All these media elements are svg, so they're all editable and decomposable too. [17:22] At this point I'd like to download some new media to put in my directory [17:22] If it's something factual, like a flag, icon or brand I can use google to search wikimedia and type in "dell logo svg" for instance to get the svg. [17:23] Make sure that when downloading from wikimedia you download the svg and not the png. [17:24] For more creative works you can head over to http://openclipart.org and search the vast collections of works for svgs which fit your theme. [17:24] You can also take any of the works on spread Ubuntu, I limit myself to the svg works as they're the most flexible. http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/ [17:25] Spread Ubuntu is incidentally where you should upload your poster once it's done. [17:27] Once you've got all your downloadable elements together, next is the more creative part [17:27] designing [17:29] At this point we have to work a bit on Copyright. sorry guys! [17:29] I's important [17:29] For any pieces that you work on or that you download from openclipart (which are public domain) you don't need to worry at all. [17:30] For works you downloaded from elsewhere, you need to pay close attention to the license and abide by the rules. [17:30] A lot of the media I've given you is CC-BY-SA, so you're posters if they use those, will also need to be CC-BY-SA when you publish them. [17:30] You'll also need to credit the authors, so keep a record of them if you can. [17:31] Keeping a clean copyright workflow allows you a much better sense of security that your work isn't infringing on anything. [17:31] this is what I have so far -> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/Screenshot-2.png === JoeMaver1ckSett is now known as JoeMavericksett [17:32] anneboleyn asked: What if I use some open-source stuff and some that are not free? [17:33] You have to license work from the original authors in ways that are compatible. It's not possible to legally combine non-free and share-alike works for instance. [17:33] If in doubt, make your own and license freely. [17:36] anneboleyn asked: Where can I get help in doing that (getting my own license)? [17:37] You can get your own license from http://creativecommons.org/licenses/ you can of course always make your own, but that's legally unsure. [17:38] OK so now if you've got something worthwhile and you've saved it. [17:38] You'll need to know how to print it so it comes out like you expect. [17:38] Make sure at this point to save your poster. [17:39] You can save an SVG in inkscape as a PDF, but elements like blur and advanced filter effects are not accepted in pdf so they fail to translate. [17:40] You'll also notice that inkscape svg itself is slightly incompatibility with text fields appearing blank or as black squares in other svg viewers. (don't worry!) you can save your svg as a svg 1.1 compatible file for viewing in other programs. [17:40] There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. [17:41] The best process I've found is to use File > Export Bitmap and export the full page (select the page tab) at 300dpi [17:41] You can then convert the png output into a pdf using imagemagik, gimp etc. This will be bigger than an svg -> pdf output, but it'll be much safer. [17:41] Please do ask your questions now. [17:45] jothejo2 asked: doctormo can i add scripts in inkscape? [17:45] There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session. [17:46] jothejo2: Yes, you can make python, perl scripts as extentions. Do a web search for "python extentions" and read existing code. [17:46] This is where I have got to now, going mad with inkscape: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/Screenshot-3.png [17:46]