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highvoltageJanC: aah, I assumed it got rid of apt:// URLs entirely01:18
JanCspecial-casing a http: URL in all browsers would be an ugly hack?  ;)01:20
jcastromaco:01:38
jcastrohttp://askubuntu.com/questions/6200/visio-files-in-ubuntu/6204#620401:38
jcastroadd the information to your answer, not the comment01:38
jcastroconsider comments throw away01:38
macook01:39
jcastromaco: woooooooooooooo, luke is around01:48
macoyeah i know01:49
macohe responded to my pm01:49
macoalso, i just hit enough rep points to start editing too01:49
jcastroyup yup01:49
jcastroI need help tagging and formatting mostly01:49
jcastrobasically, a flood of new people who are confused01:49
jcastroalso you need to vote more on people who are doing the Right Thing01:50
jcastroyou get 30 a day, make em count!01:50
nhandlerjcastro: Is there a way to make askubuntu.com only show questions without answers?02:39
jcastroyes02:40
jcastrotop bar, on the right02:40
jcastrounanswered questions02:40
jcastrolook on askubuntu.com/faq at the bottom for ninja searching options02:40
nhandlerjcastro: Thanks. I completely missed that. I was looking lower down.02:41
jcastrounanswered questions ftw02:41
jcastronhandler: I recommend going for unanswered, sorted by # of votes02:41
jcastrothat will get you the highest quality unanswered questions02:42
nhandlerjcastro: That is what I planned on doing ;)02:42
jcastronhandler: the problem is some people haven't figured out how to accept answers yet02:43
jcastroso the questions might have good answers already02:43
jcastrothe questioner just hasn't checked the box yet02:43
jcastro(the site will remind them to accept answers when they return)02:43
JanCfor those who can edit: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6229/is-there-wine-for-mac --> this title is confusing (there is a "wine for mac"--to run windows software on mac--but that's not what is wanted)02:44
jcastroI can edit02:44
JanCI can (re)tag, but not edit yet  ;)02:45
jcastroit can be frustrating in the beginning02:50
jcastrobut it does keep the junk out02:50
nhandlerjcastro: I'm not so sure. I'm seeing a lot of posts by some guy named Jorge Castro. I think he might be a troll ;)02:54
jcastroI am being brutal02:54
jcastroI am totally quality driven, dotting ever i, crossing every t, etc.02:55
nhandlerjcastro: You are doing a great job. Just stop stealing my questions ;)02:55
jcastrook02:56
jcastronhandler: dibs on the chrome question02:59
nhandlerjcastro: Bleh, I can only post one hyperlink :(03:09
nhandlerjcastro: Will I get in trouble for evading the check by putting the links in code tags?03:13
jcastronhandler: I'll fix you up03:26
nhandlerjcastro: http://askubuntu.com/questions/5791/webmin-seem-to-think-apache-isnt-started-when-it-really-is-in-10-10-how-do-i-fi03:26
nhandlerThanks a lot03:26
JanCwebmin...03:31
jcastroindeed03:32
nhandlerjcastro: Thanks. I think the 1up boosted my rep enough to not have that limit03:33
jcastronhandler: when you get the rep to vote, concentrate on people who are being thorough and friendly03:34
jcastrohttp://askubuntu.com/users/570/andrewsomething03:34
jcastrohe's got it going on with the easy to use answers ^^03:34
jcastrothe trick is to consolidate the quick off-the-hip answers into one mega answer with all the goodies03:35
jcastrohttp://askubuntu.com/questions/6253/whats-the-difference-between-google-chrome-and-or-chromium-what-are-the-advanta03:35
jcastrofor example. :D03:35
nhandlerjcastro: Yep. It is more like a FAQ style site. All of the good stuff in one easy to follow place03:36
jcastroyup03:36
jcastronew users go for speed "omg need the crack"03:37
jcastrobut the way to do it is a nice long detailed answer03:37
jcastroto earn the rep while you sleep03:37
jcastroestablished SE sites get like 90%+ of their traffic from google, not the scrolling questions on the front page03:38
jcastronhandler: nice job on the attribution03:39
nhandlerjcastro: Thanks. That is one thing that I have learned from packaging, attributions made the original contributor feel good, and are also a good way to prevent problems down the road03:40
jcastronow that the forums are cc-wiki and so is this the opportunities to get better support for users is basically open ended03:41
jcastronhandler: dang format man04:04
jcastrolet me fix that one04:04
* nhandler hugs jcastro 04:05
jcastrohow's that?04:06
nhandlerjcastro: Much better. So is current practice to put file paths in code tags?04:07
jcastroyes04:07
jcastroso people can paste the right file04:07
jcastrothere's a formatting thing somewhere on meta.askubuntu.com04:07
jcastroI've edited the question to make more sense too04:08
nhandlerjcastro: I'll look up some of the docs when I get some more time. I was just trying out the site as I haven't really paid much attention to it (gave it a brief try in private beta, but there weren't many people using it)04:08
jcastroyeah no worries04:09
jcastrooh dude04:09
jcastroI made a video04:09
nhandlerjcastro: I saw some video mentioned about how to use the site. Is that yours?04:10
jcastrohttp://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers#p/a/u/0/rDMsQNAl90Y04:10
jcastroyup04:10
nhandler:)04:10
paultagdoctormo, prod04:13
paultagdoctormo, I've been informed by the ubuntu studio folks you might need help with wizardpen04:14
paultagdoctormo, I'm here to offer any help you need :)04:14
nigelbmorning folks04:16
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paultagmorning nigelb04:17
nigelbheya paultag04:17
paultagnigelb, how's things?04:17
nigelbpaultag: going good!04:18
nigelbpaultag: how about you?04:19
paultaginstalling 10.10 UNR04:20
paultagerm04:20
paultaghold that04:20
paultagtrying to install*, looks like I might have  abug04:20
paultagthis displeases me04:21
nigelbheh04:21
paultagyup04:21
paultagkeyboard is dead, reisub fails04:21
paultagfun!04:21
nigelbhaha04:22
paultagWell, look who's sticking with Debian :)04:22
paultag<-- This guy04:22
nigelbhaha04:23
nigelbjcastro: ubuntu baby strollers - dang!04:25
nigelbhrm, where is everyone today07:06
duanedesignhello all07:44
nigelbmorning duanedesign :)07:47
duanedesignnigelb! :)07:47
nigelbI wonder if all the horsemen are on a holiday today07:51
duanedesignnigelb: columbus day is this week07:52
duanedesignahh we have one :) hello kim007:52
kim0howdy fellas07:52
duanedesignyou must have had hiccups :P07:53
kim0hhehehe :D07:53
kim0still remember huh07:53
nigelbhey kim0 :)07:57
nigelbkim0: I just said "< nigelb> I wonder if all the horsemen are on a holiday today"07:57
kim0nigelb: hey there .. how are you man07:57
kim0aha07:57
nigelbkim0: having a crazy morning, I just hope it improves07:57
nigelbmorning ara :)07:57
kim0ara: morning :)07:57
aramorning nigelb, kim0, all!07:58
duanedesignhello ara07:58
duanedesignim making good progress on an app to put and view all my irssi logs in couchdb :)07:59
AlanBellduanedesign: I have half an IRC client written in couchdb08:02
duanedesignAlanBell: oh wow. What is it written in?08:03
AlanBellthe plan was to do a server side thing that connects to your channels and logs messages to couch (that bit works)08:03
AlanBellthen a quickly GUI that reads the couch database with views and such. Posting messages would be creating them in couchdb and then the server thing would post them for you08:04
AlanBellall in python08:04
duanedesignAlanBell: nice. I am working on the second part. A gui that reads the couch databases.08:07
AlanBellcool08:07
nigelbright, so team up and build one app  :)08:07
AlanBellwhen I find the code I will stick it on launchpad somewhere08:08
duanedesignAlanBell: the first part mentioned sounds like a much better implementation then what i did so far. All mine does is look in ~/irclogs/ and put those in OCuch08:08
duanedesignCouch*08:08
* AlanBell hunts disk for a folder called cozy08:09
dholbachgood morning! :)08:17
duanedesigngood morning dholbach08:20
dholbachhey duanedesign08:20
kim0dholbach: morning man08:25
dholbachheya kim008:25
nigelbmorning dholbach08:27
dholbachhey nigelb08:27
nigelbheya JFo09:02
nigelbisomnia again? :p09:02
JFohey nigelb09:02
JFoyep09:02
nigelbsigh, that must be painful09:02
JFoyeah09:05
* nigelb hugs JFo 09:12
JFo:)09:13
dholbachhola randa10:24
randahi dholbach10:25
duanedesigni liked mako's post on planet, very interesting.11:55
nigelblooks like "The akgraner" is awake.  I see mails :)12:58
popeyThe Internets Amber Graner13:07
nigelbhaha13:07
* AlanBell waves http://libertus.co.uk:8080/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/213 at akgraner13:08
nigelboh, ew13:08
nigelbthat needs fixing13:08
AlanBellhowever I have no idea whether it will look like that tomorrow or with the current light theme13:08
AlanBellwhat needs fixing nigelb?13:08
nigelbits an eyesore somehow13:08
nigelbor its probably just because I'm having a headache13:09
AlanBelloh the dots at the top?13:09
AlanBellthat is an in-progress experiment which isn't going well13:09
nigelbheh13:09
AlanBellapart from that, is it better than the current wiki with the light theme enabled in preferences?13:10
AlanBelland if not, what exactly do I need to change?13:10
AlanBell*something* is going live tomorrow as the new default theme13:11
akgranerAlanBell, looks better than it did before13:11
akgranerby a mile13:11
AlanBellI think a little more spacing before the headings or something might improve it13:12
akgranernods13:12
akgranerI like the headers in Purple oops I mean aubergine and the links in orange though13:12
akgranerLove it! Love it! Love it!! - did I mention I love that part13:13
czajkowskialoha folks14:29
nigelbczajkowski: I see you had fun at the zoo :)14:35
czajkowskiwe had a pub quiz on Sunday see if you can do any of the questions http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~tdr/blog/?p=3914:35
czajkowskinigelb: sooooo much fun14:35
nigelbczajkowski: :)14:35
czajkowskipleia2: is gone to the leprechaun museum and I'm back at a hotel working on UOW14:36
czajkowskikim0: got a moment for a quick pm ?14:45
kim0czajkowski: sure thing .. hit me14:46
czajkowskiI'll be nice :)14:46
kim0:)14:46
dholbachjcastro, did you order those "phone cushions" already?14:48
dholbachjcastro, it looks like the most ridiculous thing I saw in my entire life :)14:48
nigelblol14:49
macooh oh what jcastro do now?14:49
jcastrothey look quite silly14:49
jcastrough14:56
jcastroanyone want to slide in to do an openweek session in 4 MINUTES?14:56
jcastropresenter is on holiday!14:57
jcastro(Don't worry, I'll extract my revenge later)14:57
AlanBelltopic?14:57
jcastroit was supposed to be getting started in translations14:57
jcastroany topic that doesn't suck will be accepted at this point14:57
dholbachmaybe adiroiban or henninge in #ubuntu-translations can take over?14:57
jcastroI am in -translators14:58
jcastrotranslations doesn't exist14:58
dholbachah, sorry14:58
nigelbjcastro: -translators?14:59
jcastroI',, on it14:59
jcastroentertain the crowd pls14:59
czajkowskidholbach: who do I log a bug re http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage need it to reference loco.ubuntu.com teams pages15:03
dholbachczajkowski, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+filebug afaik15:04
czajkowskilovely jubbly15:04
czajkowskithanks15:04
* nigelb hugs dholbach 15:08
czajkowskiso areas to get involved in Accessibilty, cloud , Art/DEsign , documentaion, the LD, Testing, Translations,  what am I missing if you joined a team and wanted to get involved15:10
czajkowskiUWN15:11
doctormoczajkowski: pong15:13
sensegood afternoon15:31
dholbachjames_w, I'm not sure how best to deal with crashes and locks - how would you do it?15:55
james_wdholbach, I'd just remove the file existence check15:55
dholbachprobably best to log it and retry in the next cron run?15:55
james_wit will usually remove the file, but won't stop it running if the previous run crashed15:55
dholbacherm, which file existence check would you remove? on which line? :)15:57
james_wthe first one :-)15:58
james_wso that the only thing stopping the code from running is whether it can get the lock or not15:58
dholbachah15:58
dholbachok15:58
dholbachI'll play around with it a bit15:59
james_wI think the second is redundant, but not really a problem15:59
dholbachthanks a lot for your advice there15:59
dholbachand thanks lots for your reviews15:59
dholbachI hope that with 0.2.2 out it's good enough to announce and attract a few others to help out :-D15:59
james_wgreat15:59
james_wthanks for all your work on it15:59
dholbachjames_w, the thing I probably did best was not to get into other people's ways :-P16:00
dholbachjcastro, TLE and andrejz did a great job16:06
jcastrothat was great16:07
jcastrodholbach: I'll send david a mail so he can thank them when he gets back16:08
dholbachjcastro, good idea16:08
jonomorning all16:21
jcastro\o/16:21
doctormoEllo jono16:24
jonohey doctormo16:24
doctormoAnyone ever used ustream before?16:25
doctormoI'm getting awful results from webcamstudio+ustream16:25
czajkowskijcastro: I think I need to stop having the session all typed out, it might go slower then16:25
jcastroczajkowski: I've started doing just my intros predone16:27
czajkowskijcastro: it helps with my typos :(16:30
doctormoHmm, I don't think the screencast idea is going to work before the session starts :-( tech isn't good enough.16:33
doctormoBut maybe next time jono? Is there any issue with having a screencast in an open week class?16:34
dholbachok my friends, I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!16:40
popey\o/ screencasts16:40
popeyalso \o/ dholbach16:40
* dholbach hugs popey16:40
czajkowskidholbach: toodles16:41
dholbachbye czajkowski :)16:56
akgranerhighvoltage, did you say you would be able to do the Edubuntu Session on Thursday?16:57
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jcastrojono: did you mention the cloud10 free cloud offer on the facebook group?17:40
jcastrokim0: grab your mail client!17:47
jonojcastro, not yet17:47
jcastrohttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications17:47
jcastrojono: the cloud 10 thing needs some juice, when you've got time we need a mention on there17:48
jonogoing so now17:48
jcastrosomething like "Sysadmins, give us an hour to show you how great ubuntu-server is on EC2, and it's on us!"17:48
jcastroor something17:48
jcastrokim0: I've mentioned it to linuxjournal since I know them already17:48
jcastrokim0: chasing down contacts of those magazines that have an online presence might be useful17:49
akgranerjcastro, LinuxPro just launched an admin magazine17:50
jcastroperfect17:51
akgranerwell linux new media17:51
jcastrowell, this isn't suited for print since it's only for a limited time17:51
jcastrobut we can certainly track down the editor/journals17:51
jcastroI'm sure they tweet17:51
jcastroand can try it17:51
jcastroand then write the dead tree about their experience later17:51
kim0jcastro: ah!17:52
jcastrohttp://twitter.com/#!/castrojo/status/2715620231517:53
jcastrokim0: ^^ targetting upstreams that care about this kind of stuff17:53
doctormojcastro: When you can get every ubuntu member a free cloud, we'll talk :-P17:56
jcastrowe do17:56
jcastrowe give you 2gb!17:56
nigelbjcastro: +1 there :p17:57
doctormojcastro: Does it run apache? I need to run a full LAMP and LDAP service for all my evil minions to organise.17:57
jcastrono, but we'll give you a free hour of full blown LAMP if you want17:58
jcastroafter that it's on you17:58
doctormo(unless you mean UbuntuOne, which isn't cloud, it's just online storage, definition is important)17:58
nigelbjcastro: is there a date limit on the 1 hour thing?17:59
jcastrofirst come first serve17:59
nigelbjcastro: oh, ok18:02
doctormoI really should upgrade to 10.10, any issues with nvidia?18:08
sensedoctormo: Not here18:45
doctormoI'm bored again, what is it with the summer in Ubuntu that has made it so uninspiring.18:53
jcastrokim0: do we have a general "cloud" twitter account19:18
kim0jcastro: yes ubuntucloud19:18
kim0I can post to it19:18
jcastrohttp://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3907901/10-Things-to-Know-About-Maverick-Meerkat.htm19:21
jcastrofollow that dude19:21
jcastroand retweet him19:21
jcastrosince he mentions the cloud thign19:21
nigelbjcastro: I agree with him, 10 hours would have been more appropriate :p19:22
* nigelb hides19:24
jcastrough19:47
jcastroi totally wasn't paying attention on sunday19:47
jcastrodid we hit the trending topic on twitter?19:47
nigelbjcastro: sadly, no19:54
nigelbnot worldwide at least19:54
nigelbnot sure about individual countries19:54
doctormojcastro, jono: You guys are twitter babes, could you twit twoo about the ubuntu artists group (if not already)?21:30
jcastrowhere's the reference?21:31
jcastrosomething to retweet or what? linky?21:31
jonojcastro, summit is still an hour off21:41
jonowhen will that be fixed?21:42
jcastrowhen it gets committed next21:43
jcastroalong with the other stuff I mailed you about today21:44
jcastrosorry, not committed, deployed.21:44
jcastrojono: we talked a bunch about summit today now that the distro is out of the way we should be sorted soon21:47
jonojcastro, thanks21:47
doctormojcastro: http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com21:55
doctormojcastro: I don't tweet, so nothing to retweet, sorry.21:55
jcastrowhat do you mean you don't tweet?21:56
jcastrobe heard!21:56
doctormoI don't like twitter and not enough people use identica, so I reserve not to engage.21:56
paultagdoctormo, Oh there you are21:58
paultagdoctormo, did you get my message last night?21:58
doctormopaultag: no, hmm, how can I help?21:58
paultagdoctormo, scott-work here mentioned that I might help you get wizardpen into the repos21:59
paultag<paultag> doctormo, prod21:59
paultag<paultag> doctormo, I've been informed by the ubuntu studio folks you might need help with wizardpen21:59
paultag<paultag> doctormo, I'm here to offer any help you need :)21:59
doctormopaultag: Help, the problem is that it doesn't work in Maverick, only in Lucid.21:59
doctormoWe're boned.22:00
paultagdoctormo, what did you do?22:00
doctormoNothing, that's why it doesn't work. Maverick has a new Xorg.22:00
paultagdoctormo, what's stopping an upgrade to the new bindings?22:00
doctormopaultag: No programmers, no one with a wizardpen tablet to test any random code modifications.22:01
paultaghurmm.22:01
paultagdoctormo, well let me do my homework22:04
paultagdoctormo, I'll get back to you ( and hack away, and send the merge props ) if the stars align22:04
paultagdoctormo, thanks man. Oh, are you going to be home over thanksgiving?22:04
doctormopaultag: We have a kernel driver which will apear sometime in the next few years which feeds wizardpen through wacom user space tools. That should clear things up.22:05
paultagAhha22:05
paultagthat would be nice.22:05
doctormoBut it will take a while.22:05
paultagdoctormo, Are you going to be home over thanksgiving?22:08
paultagdoctormo, I'd love to head downtown again to meet up. We're about due for a coffee / tea22:08
doctormopaultag: We are! I don't think we have any plans for thanksgiving. I may end up in Vermont.22:14
jonodoctormo, you don't like twitter, but want us to tweet for you?22:14
jonoI guess there is logic buried in there somewhere :P22:15
paultagdoctormo, awesome. I might be in either VT or NH as well as MA, I have no idea. I'll let you know when I know. I'll be back for about a week or so, so it should not be too too hard22:15
doctormojono: I don't have time to build a community of contacts, where as you guys already have them built.22:15
doctormo7 of 10 pages of Ubunchu chapter 07 done... hard work this one.22:16
jonodoctormo, why don't you have time?22:16
jonoyou just set up a twitter account and send messages22:16
jonoyou don't actively build thre numbers up22:16
jonopeople just start to follow you22:16
doctormojono: I already have a twitter account, @realdoctormo22:16
jonogotcha22:16
jcastrowait what! You could have at least posted so I didn't have to make up my post!22:17
doctormoI was ok with doing it when I had gwibber set up to post to everything at once, then I didn't need to care.22:17
jonodoctormo, it still does that :)22:17
paultagHey, jcastro -- The Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase -- is there a central website for it, or is just tags on other websites?22:17
jcastrothere's a wiki explaining where the sites are somewhere22:18
jcastroprobably /FreeCultureShowcase22:18
paultagYeah, I read up on that22:18
paultagjcastro, if some hackers whipped up something, could it get Canonical's support?22:18
paultag( hosting, an ubuntu subdomain, etc )22:18
jcastrowe talked about it at UDS22:19
jcastrobest thing to do is put together an idea and plan22:19
jcastrothen post it on -ayatana and see what people say22:19
jcastrothen after you iterate a few times see what the design team says22:20
paultagjcastro, I was thinking of trying to do it as an Ubuntu Studio thing, and if it ends up coming out OK pushing it upstream22:20
paultag"upstream"22:20
jcastroyeah we've had sessions at UDS on why not have a content-centric focus for the FCS22:20
jcastrowhere we could bring in stuff from many sites22:20
jcastroand it would look "edgier" and all that22:20
paultagjcastro, rocken. Thanks Jorge22:20
jcastrothough if it ends up being another django thing that gets left unmaintained and 2 years later it becomes my problem I will hunt you down.22:21
paultagjcastro, noted duly :)22:21
doctormopaultag: We'll be doing a session at UDS for the freeculture showcase, we have issues to work out.22:21
paultagjcastro, Good for me I don't know much django22:21
jcastrooh even better, some unmaintained phpnuke22:22
jcastro:p22:22
paultagdoctormo, Rad. I'm going to try and do it for Ubuntu Studio. It will by F/OSS, I'll help a fork if it forks for Ubuntu it's self22:22
paultagbe *22:22
doctormopaultag: I have a django website as well as a cchost website which I've developed and played with.22:22
paultagjcastro, I'll use C + CGI out of spite22:22
jcastropaultag: do they still make you guys use that made up language at OSU?22:23
paultagjcastro, Not a clue. I'm not at OSU22:23
paultagjcastro, Cleveland, man. And we use Java / C++22:23
jcastrooh right22:23
jcastroSorry, didn't mean to mix you up with haircut boy22:23
paultagjcastro, haha, aye aye. I think Jacob still has to use it22:24
* jcastro is off to dinner, anyone have any burning issues?22:24
paultagjcastro, that's a no. Run while you still can!22:24
doctormojcastro: I retweeted your twot, thanks for the support.22:25
doctormoI remember for next time to pen myself and then pass on the link instead.22:26

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