[01:18] JanC: aah, I assumed it got rid of apt:// URLs entirely [01:20] special-casing a http: URL in all browsers would be an ugly hack? ;) [01:38] maco: [01:38] http://askubuntu.com/questions/6200/visio-files-in-ubuntu/6204#6204 [01:38] add the information to your answer, not the comment [01:38] consider comments throw away [01:39] ok [01:48] maco: woooooooooooooo, luke is around [01:49] yeah i know [01:49] he responded to my pm [01:49] also, i just hit enough rep points to start editing too [01:49] yup yup [01:49] I need help tagging and formatting mostly [01:49] basically, a flood of new people who are confused [01:50] also you need to vote more on people who are doing the Right Thing [01:50] you get 30 a day, make em count! [02:39] jcastro: Is there a way to make askubuntu.com only show questions without answers? [02:40] yes [02:40] top bar, on the right [02:40] unanswered questions [02:40] look on askubuntu.com/faq at the bottom for ninja searching options [02:41] jcastro: Thanks. I completely missed that. I was looking lower down. [02:41] unanswered questions ftw [02:41] nhandler: I recommend going for unanswered, sorted by # of votes [02:42] that will get you the highest quality unanswered questions [02:42] jcastro: That is what I planned on doing ;) [02:43] nhandler: the problem is some people haven't figured out how to accept answers yet [02:43] so the questions might have good answers already [02:43] the questioner just hasn't checked the box yet [02:43] (the site will remind them to accept answers when they return) [02:44] for those who can edit: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6229/is-there-wine-for-mac --> this title is confusing (there is a "wine for mac"--to run windows software on mac--but that's not what is wanted) [02:44] I can edit [02:45] I can (re)tag, but not edit yet ;) [02:50] it can be frustrating in the beginning [02:50] but it does keep the junk out [02:54] jcastro: I'm not so sure. I'm seeing a lot of posts by some guy named Jorge Castro. I think he might be a troll ;) [02:54] I am being brutal [02:55] I am totally quality driven, dotting ever i, crossing every t, etc. [02:55] jcastro: You are doing a great job. Just stop stealing my questions ;) [02:56] ok [02:59] nhandler: dibs on the chrome question [03:09] jcastro: Bleh, I can only post one hyperlink :( [03:13] jcastro: Will I get in trouble for evading the check by putting the links in code tags? [03:26] nhandler: I'll fix you up [03:26] jcastro: http://askubuntu.com/questions/5791/webmin-seem-to-think-apache-isnt-started-when-it-really-is-in-10-10-how-do-i-fi [03:26] Thanks a lot [03:31] webmin... [03:32] indeed [03:33] jcastro: Thanks. I think the 1up boosted my rep enough to not have that limit [03:34] nhandler: when you get the rep to vote, concentrate on people who are being thorough and friendly [03:34] http://askubuntu.com/users/570/andrewsomething [03:34] he's got it going on with the easy to use answers ^^ [03:35] the trick is to consolidate the quick off-the-hip answers into one mega answer with all the goodies [03:35] http://askubuntu.com/questions/6253/whats-the-difference-between-google-chrome-and-or-chromium-what-are-the-advanta [03:35] for example. :D [03:36] jcastro: Yep. It is more like a FAQ style site. All of the good stuff in one easy to follow place [03:36] yup [03:37] new users go for speed "omg need the crack" [03:37] but the way to do it is a nice long detailed answer [03:37] to earn the rep while you sleep [03:38] established SE sites get like 90%+ of their traffic from google, not the scrolling questions on the front page [03:39] nhandler: nice job on the attribution [03:40] jcastro: Thanks. That is one thing that I have learned from packaging, attributions made the original contributor feel good, and are also a good way to prevent problems down the road [03:41] now that the forums are cc-wiki and so is this the opportunities to get better support for users is basically open ended [04:04] nhandler: dang format man [04:04] let me fix that one [04:05] * nhandler hugs jcastro [04:06] how's that? [04:07] jcastro: Much better. So is current practice to put file paths in code tags? [04:07] yes [04:07] so people can paste the right file [04:07] there's a formatting thing somewhere on meta.askubuntu.com [04:08] I've edited the question to make more sense too [04:08] jcastro: I'll look up some of the docs when I get some more time. I was just trying out the site as I haven't really paid much attention to it (gave it a brief try in private beta, but there weren't many people using it) [04:09] yeah no worries [04:09] oh dude [04:09] I made a video [04:10] jcastro: I saw some video mentioned about how to use the site. Is that yours? [04:10] http://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers#p/a/u/0/rDMsQNAl90Y [04:10] yup [04:10] :) [04:13] doctormo, prod [04:14] doctormo, I've been informed by the ubuntu studio folks you might need help with wizardpen [04:14] doctormo, I'm here to offer any help you need :) [04:16] morning folks === ScottL_ is now known as ScottL [04:17] morning nigelb [04:17] heya paultag [04:17] nigelb, how's things? [04:18] paultag: going good! [04:19] paultag: how about you? [04:20] installing 10.10 UNR [04:20] erm [04:20] hold that [04:20] trying to install*, looks like I might have abug [04:21] this displeases me [04:21] heh [04:21] yup [04:21] keyboard is dead, reisub fails [04:21] fun! [04:22] haha [04:22] Well, look who's sticking with Debian :) [04:22] <-- This guy [04:23] haha [04:25] jcastro: ubuntu baby strollers - dang! [07:06] hrm, where is everyone today [07:44] hello all [07:47] morning duanedesign :) [07:47] nigelb! :) [07:51] I wonder if all the horsemen are on a holiday today [07:52] nigelb: columbus day is this week [07:52] ahh we have one :) hello kim0 [07:52] howdy fellas [07:53] you must have had hiccups :P [07:53] hhehehe :D [07:53] still remember huh [07:57] hey kim0 :) [07:57] kim0: I just said "< nigelb> I wonder if all the horsemen are on a holiday today" [07:57] nigelb: hey there .. how are you man [07:57] aha [07:57] kim0: having a crazy morning, I just hope it improves [07:57] morning ara :) [07:57] ara: morning :) [07:58] morning nigelb, kim0, all! [07:58] hello ara [07:59] im making good progress on an app to put and view all my irssi logs in couchdb :) [08:02] duanedesign: I have half an IRC client written in couchdb [08:03] AlanBell: oh wow. What is it written in? [08:03] the plan was to do a server side thing that connects to your channels and logs messages to couch (that bit works) [08:04] then a quickly GUI that reads the couch database with views and such. Posting messages would be creating them in couchdb and then the server thing would post them for you [08:04] all in python [08:07] AlanBell: nice. I am working on the second part. A gui that reads the couch databases. [08:07] cool [08:07] right, so team up and build one app :) [08:08] when I find the code I will stick it on launchpad somewhere [08:08] AlanBell: the first part mentioned sounds like a much better implementation then what i did so far. All mine does is look in ~/irclogs/ and put those in OCuch [08:08] Couch* [08:09] * AlanBell hunts disk for a folder called cozy [08:17] good morning! :) [08:20] good morning dholbach [08:20] hey duanedesign [08:25] dholbach: morning man [08:25] heya kim0 [08:27] morning dholbach [08:27] hey nigelb [09:02] heya JFo [09:02] isomnia again? :p [09:02] hey nigelb [09:02] yep [09:02] sigh, that must be painful [09:05] yeah [09:12] * nigelb hugs JFo [09:13] :) [10:24] hola randa [10:25] hi dholbach [11:55] i liked mako's post on planet, very interesting. [12:58] looks like "The akgraner" is awake. I see mails :) [13:07] The Internets Amber Graner [13:07] haha [13:08] * AlanBell waves http://libertus.co.uk:8080/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/213 at akgraner [13:08] oh, ew [13:08] that needs fixing [13:08] however I have no idea whether it will look like that tomorrow or with the current light theme [13:08] what needs fixing nigelb? [13:08] its an eyesore somehow [13:09] or its probably just because I'm having a headache [13:09] oh the dots at the top? [13:09] that is an in-progress experiment which isn't going well [13:09] heh [13:10] apart from that, is it better than the current wiki with the light theme enabled in preferences? [13:10] and if not, what exactly do I need to change? [13:11] *something* is going live tomorrow as the new default theme [13:11] AlanBell, looks better than it did before [13:11] by a mile [13:12] I think a little more spacing before the headings or something might improve it [13:12] nods [13:12] I like the headers in Purple oops I mean aubergine and the links in orange though [13:13] Love it! Love it! Love it!! - did I mention I love that part [14:29] aloha folks [14:35] czajkowski: I see you had fun at the zoo :) [14:35] we had a pub quiz on Sunday see if you can do any of the questions http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~tdr/blog/?p=39 [14:35] nigelb: sooooo much fun [14:35] czajkowski: :) [14:36] pleia2: is gone to the leprechaun museum and I'm back at a hotel working on UOW [14:45] kim0: got a moment for a quick pm ? [14:46] czajkowski: sure thing .. hit me [14:46] I'll be nice :) [14:46] :) [14:48] jcastro, did you order those "phone cushions" already? [14:48] jcastro, it looks like the most ridiculous thing I saw in my entire life :) [14:49] lol [14:49] oh oh what jcastro do now? [14:49] they look quite silly [14:56] ugh [14:56] anyone want to slide in to do an openweek session in 4 MINUTES? [14:57] presenter is on holiday! [14:57] (Don't worry, I'll extract my revenge later) [14:57] topic? [14:57] it was supposed to be getting started in translations [14:57] any topic that doesn't suck will be accepted at this point [14:57] maybe adiroiban or henninge in #ubuntu-translations can take over? [14:58] I am in -translators [14:58] translations doesn't exist [14:58] ah, sorry [14:59] jcastro: -translators? [14:59] I',, on it [14:59] entertain the crowd pls [15:03] dholbach: who do I log a bug re http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage need it to reference loco.ubuntu.com teams pages [15:04] czajkowski, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+filebug afaik [15:04] lovely jubbly [15:04] thanks [15:08] * nigelb hugs dholbach [15:10] so areas to get involved in Accessibilty, cloud , Art/DEsign , documentaion, the LD, Testing, Translations, what am I missing if you joined a team and wanted to get involved [15:11] UWN [15:13] czajkowski: pong [15:31] good afternoon [15:55] james_w, I'm not sure how best to deal with crashes and locks - how would you do it? [15:55] dholbach, I'd just remove the file existence check [15:55] probably best to log it and retry in the next cron run? [15:55] it will usually remove the file, but won't stop it running if the previous run crashed [15:57] erm, which file existence check would you remove? on which line? :) [15:58] the first one :-) [15:58] so that the only thing stopping the code from running is whether it can get the lock or not [15:58] ah [15:58] ok [15:59] I'll play around with it a bit [15:59] I think the second is redundant, but not really a problem [15:59] thanks a lot for your advice there [15:59] and thanks lots for your reviews [15:59] I hope that with 0.2.2 out it's good enough to announce and attract a few others to help out :-D [15:59] great [15:59] thanks for all your work on it [16:00] james_w, the thing I probably did best was not to get into other people's ways :-P [16:06] jcastro, TLE and andrejz did a great job [16:07] that was great [16:08] dholbach: I'll send david a mail so he can thank them when he gets back [16:08] jcastro, good idea [16:21] morning all [16:21] \o/ [16:24] Ello jono [16:24] hey doctormo [16:25] Anyone ever used ustream before? [16:25] I'm getting awful results from webcamstudio+ustream [16:25] jcastro: I think I need to stop having the session all typed out, it might go slower then [16:27] czajkowski: I've started doing just my intros predone [16:30] jcastro: it helps with my typos :( [16:33] Hmm, I don't think the screencast idea is going to work before the session starts :-( tech isn't good enough. [16:34] But maybe next time jono? Is there any issue with having a screencast in an open week class? [16:40] ok my friends, I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! [16:40] \o/ screencasts [16:40] also \o/ dholbach [16:40] * dholbach hugs popey [16:41] dholbach: toodles [16:56] bye czajkowski :) [16:57] highvoltage, did you say you would be able to do the Edubuntu Session on Thursday? === dantaliz1ng is now known as dantalizing [17:40] jono: did you mention the cloud10 free cloud offer on the facebook group? [17:47] kim0: grab your mail client! [17:47] jcastro, not yet [17:47] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications [17:48] jono: the cloud 10 thing needs some juice, when you've got time we need a mention on there [17:48] going so now [17:48] something like "Sysadmins, give us an hour to show you how great ubuntu-server is on EC2, and it's on us!" [17:48] or something [17:48] kim0: I've mentioned it to linuxjournal since I know them already [17:49] kim0: chasing down contacts of those magazines that have an online presence might be useful [17:50] jcastro, LinuxPro just launched an admin magazine [17:51] perfect [17:51] well linux new media [17:51] well, this isn't suited for print since it's only for a limited time [17:51] but we can certainly track down the editor/journals [17:51] I'm sure they tweet [17:51] and can try it [17:51] and then write the dead tree about their experience later [17:52] jcastro: ah! [17:53] http://twitter.com/#!/castrojo/status/27156202315 [17:53] kim0: ^^ targetting upstreams that care about this kind of stuff [17:56] jcastro: When you can get every ubuntu member a free cloud, we'll talk :-P [17:56] we do [17:56] we give you 2gb! [17:57] jcastro: +1 there :p [17:57] jcastro: Does it run apache? I need to run a full LAMP and LDAP service for all my evil minions to organise. [17:58] no, but we'll give you a free hour of full blown LAMP if you want [17:58] after that it's on you [17:58] (unless you mean UbuntuOne, which isn't cloud, it's just online storage, definition is important) [17:59] jcastro: is there a date limit on the 1 hour thing? [17:59] first come first serve [18:02] jcastro: oh, ok [18:08] I really should upgrade to 10.10, any issues with nvidia? [18:45] doctormo: Not here [18:53] I'm bored again, what is it with the summer in Ubuntu that has made it so uninspiring. [19:18] kim0: do we have a general "cloud" twitter account [19:18] jcastro: yes ubuntucloud [19:18] I can post to it [19:21] http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3907901/10-Things-to-Know-About-Maverick-Meerkat.htm [19:21] follow that dude [19:21] and retweet him [19:21] since he mentions the cloud thign [19:22] jcastro: I agree with him, 10 hours would have been more appropriate :p [19:24] * nigelb hides [19:47] ugh [19:47] i totally wasn't paying attention on sunday [19:47] did we hit the trending topic on twitter? [19:54] jcastro: sadly, no [19:54] not worldwide at least [19:54] not sure about individual countries [21:30] jcastro, jono: You guys are twitter babes, could you twit twoo about the ubuntu artists group (if not already)? [21:31] where's the reference? [21:31] something to retweet or what? linky? [21:41] jcastro, summit is still an hour off [21:42] when will that be fixed? [21:43] when it gets committed next [21:44] along with the other stuff I mailed you about today [21:44] sorry, not committed, deployed. [21:47] jono: we talked a bunch about summit today now that the distro is out of the way we should be sorted soon [21:47] jcastro, thanks [21:55] jcastro: http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com [21:55] jcastro: I don't tweet, so nothing to retweet, sorry. [21:56] what do you mean you don't tweet? [21:56] be heard! [21:56] I don't like twitter and not enough people use identica, so I reserve not to engage. [21:58] doctormo, Oh there you are [21:58] doctormo, did you get my message last night? [21:58] paultag: no, hmm, how can I help? [21:59] doctormo, scott-work here mentioned that I might help you get wizardpen into the repos [21:59] doctormo, prod [21:59] doctormo, I've been informed by the ubuntu studio folks you might need help with wizardpen [21:59] doctormo, I'm here to offer any help you need :) [21:59] paultag: Help, the problem is that it doesn't work in Maverick, only in Lucid. [22:00] We're boned. [22:00] doctormo, what did you do? [22:00] Nothing, that's why it doesn't work. Maverick has a new Xorg. [22:00] doctormo, what's stopping an upgrade to the new bindings? [22:01] paultag: No programmers, no one with a wizardpen tablet to test any random code modifications. [22:01] hurmm. [22:04] doctormo, well let me do my homework [22:04] doctormo, I'll get back to you ( and hack away, and send the merge props ) if the stars align [22:04] doctormo, thanks man. Oh, are you going to be home over thanksgiving? [22:05] paultag: We have a kernel driver which will apear sometime in the next few years which feeds wizardpen through wacom user space tools. That should clear things up. [22:05] Ahha [22:05] that would be nice. [22:05] But it will take a while. [22:08] doctormo, Are you going to be home over thanksgiving? [22:08] doctormo, I'd love to head downtown again to meet up. We're about due for a coffee / tea [22:14] paultag: We are! I don't think we have any plans for thanksgiving. I may end up in Vermont. [22:14] doctormo, you don't like twitter, but want us to tweet for you? [22:15] I guess there is logic buried in there somewhere :P [22:15] doctormo, awesome. I might be in either VT or NH as well as MA, I have no idea. I'll let you know when I know. I'll be back for about a week or so, so it should not be too too hard [22:15] jono: I don't have time to build a community of contacts, where as you guys already have them built. [22:16] 7 of 10 pages of Ubunchu chapter 07 done... hard work this one. [22:16] doctormo, why don't you have time? [22:16] you just set up a twitter account and send messages [22:16] you don't actively build thre numbers up [22:16] people just start to follow you [22:16] jono: I already have a twitter account, @realdoctormo [22:16] gotcha [22:17] wait what! You could have at least posted so I didn't have to make up my post! [22:17] I was ok with doing it when I had gwibber set up to post to everything at once, then I didn't need to care. [22:17] doctormo, it still does that :) [22:17] Hey, jcastro -- The Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase -- is there a central website for it, or is just tags on other websites? [22:18] there's a wiki explaining where the sites are somewhere [22:18] probably /FreeCultureShowcase [22:18] Yeah, I read up on that [22:18] jcastro, if some hackers whipped up something, could it get Canonical's support? [22:18] ( hosting, an ubuntu subdomain, etc ) [22:19] we talked about it at UDS [22:19] best thing to do is put together an idea and plan [22:19] then post it on -ayatana and see what people say [22:20] then after you iterate a few times see what the design team says [22:20] jcastro, I was thinking of trying to do it as an Ubuntu Studio thing, and if it ends up coming out OK pushing it upstream [22:20] "upstream" [22:20] yeah we've had sessions at UDS on why not have a content-centric focus for the FCS [22:20] where we could bring in stuff from many sites [22:20] and it would look "edgier" and all that [22:20] jcastro, rocken. Thanks Jorge [22:21] though if it ends up being another django thing that gets left unmaintained and 2 years later it becomes my problem I will hunt you down. [22:21] jcastro, noted duly :) [22:21] paultag: We'll be doing a session at UDS for the freeculture showcase, we have issues to work out. [22:21] jcastro, Good for me I don't know much django [22:22] oh even better, some unmaintained phpnuke [22:22] :p [22:22] doctormo, Rad. I'm going to try and do it for Ubuntu Studio. It will by F/OSS, I'll help a fork if it forks for Ubuntu it's self [22:22] be * [22:22] paultag: I have a django website as well as a cchost website which I've developed and played with. [22:22] jcastro, I'll use C + CGI out of spite [22:23] paultag: do they still make you guys use that made up language at OSU? [22:23] jcastro, Not a clue. I'm not at OSU [22:23] jcastro, Cleveland, man. And we use Java / C++ [22:23] oh right [22:23] Sorry, didn't mean to mix you up with haircut boy [22:24] jcastro, haha, aye aye. I think Jacob still has to use it [22:24] * jcastro is off to dinner, anyone have any burning issues? [22:24] jcastro, that's a no. Run while you still can! [22:25] jcastro: I retweeted your twot, thanks for the support. [22:26] I remember for next time to pen myself and then pass on the link instead.