| nhandler | akgraner: Question 10 is missing a text box for the 'Other' option | 02:27 |
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| alourie | good morning | 09:28 |
| alourie | akgraner: ping | 10:08 |
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| akgraner | Good Morning! | 11:57 |
| alourie | hi Amber | 11:58 |
| akgraner | alourie, hey - I'll have all the templates ready for issue 214 in just a few - I need to finish the second half of publishing the newsletter | 12:07 |
| akgraner | it was just too late last nigh | 12:07 |
| akgraner | After UDS - I think weekly training sessions until everyone on the team at leasts knows how to publish UWN from start to finish :-) | 12:08 |
| akgraner | Think we need a blueprint for that? | 12:08 |
| akgraner | thoughts? | 12:08 |
| akgraner | bbiab | 12:08 |
| alourie | akgraner: blueprint will allow the follow-up, so yea | 12:14 |
| alourie | and I think it's a really good idea that everyone knows how to publish UWN end-to-end | 12:15 |
| akgraner | alourie, me too :-) for a gazillion and one reasons | 12:19 |
| akgraner | I have the instructions for most things already on the wiki's | 12:19 |
| akgraner | but I think it's better to go through things step by step | 12:19 |
| alourie | akgraner: sure thing | 12:20 |
| alourie | we then may have a "real" training sessions, so someone else would be issuing it each other week | 12:21 |
| akgraner | I think John Crawford and I were on the phone like 5 hours when I he was teaching me | 12:21 |
| akgraner | 5 hours straight... | 12:21 |
| alourie | wow | 12:22 |
| alourie | why so long? | 12:22 |
| akgraner | we were exhausted by the end of the conversation | 12:22 |
| alourie | yea, I imaging | 12:22 |
| akgraner | it's a lot of little steps | 12:22 |
| alourie | oh | 12:22 |
| akgraner | and he taught me all in one day | 12:22 |
| alourie | maybe there's a place for making it easier? | 12:22 |
| akgraner | I want to teach people all the steps over time so people are comfortable with each step | 12:22 |
| akgraner | alourie, maybe? check out the wiki one sec I'll get you the link | 12:23 |
| alourie | akgraner: shoot | 12:23 |
| akgraner | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies | 12:23 |
| akgraner | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit | 12:24 |
| akgraner | eek I need to up the schedule wiki - :-/ | 12:24 |
| akgraner | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Schedule | 12:24 |
| akgraner | but you'll get the idea | 12:24 |
| alourie | right | 12:25 |
| akgraner | the guidelines and suggestions need updating as we have included more things | 12:25 |
| akgraner | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/SectionGuidelines | 12:25 |
| akgraner | here is my checklist spreadsheet that the wikis are based on - https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdFFxY0RhLVdaZU9xNk5zdTZIbFEyQVE&hl=en#gid=0 | 12:26 |
| alourie | wow | 12:26 |
| alourie | Amber I must say | 12:26 |
| alourie | this is insane | 12:26 |
| akgraner | yes but before - there was nothing written down | 12:27 |
| akgraner | editors pasted this information to each other | 12:27 |
| alourie | yea :-) | 12:27 |
| akgraner | there was only a rough outline and editors "just knew" what to do | 12:27 |
| alourie | ok, I must run for a meeting, but I will give it a read over lunch :-) | 12:27 |
| akgraner | so I wrote it all down | 12:27 |
| alourie | you | 12:27 |
| alourie | you're amazing. That's hardly human to do in time... | 12:28 |
| alourie | ok then | 12:28 |
| akgraner | have fun at your meeting :-) | 12:28 |
| akgraner | catch you laters | 12:28 |
| alourie | I doubt it, but hey, I have no choice :-) | 12:28 |
| alourie | cheers | 12:28 |
| akgraner | :-) cheers | 12:30 |
| alourie | akgraner: hey, I'm back. I'm going for a lunch in a few moments, so I'll read the publishing wiki then | 13:23 |
| akgraner | alourie, no hurry just more of an FYI for ya right now :-) | 13:25 |
| alourie | yea | 13:26 |
| alourie | akgraner: before I forget, do we have 214 in place yet? | 13:27 |
| akgraner | yep we do | 13:29 |
| akgraner | well let me double check I think I added the links but not the template :-/ | 13:29 |
| akgraner | yep we do now :-) | 13:33 |
| akgraner | Here's all the links for Issue 214 - thanks y'all | 13:39 |
| akgraner | Issue 214 will cover October 11th-16th 2010 | 13:39 |
| akgraner | Here are the links for working on next weeks issue: | 13:39 |
| akgraner | * etherpad for adding summaries - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN | 13:39 |
| akgraner | * etherpad for adding links and titles only - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas | 13:39 |
| akgraner | * googledoc - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en | 13:39 |
| akgraner | * wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue214 | 13:39 |
| alourie | akgraner: ok, so | 14:21 |
| alourie | I've read it, doesn't seem too complicated, just a lot of steps | 14:22 |
| akgraner | alourie, yep :-) | 14:30 |
| akgraner | and I even forget steps when I don't look at the list - | 14:31 |
| akgraner | :-) | 14:31 |
| akgraner | forgot one this week- change "on this site" to "in this issue" :-/ | 14:31 |
| akgraner | when I emailed the list | 14:32 |
| akgraner | but it will be fixed on the forums post later | 14:33 |
| alourie | akgraner: maybe you should prepare some email/forums/IRC posts templates too? | 14:33 |
| akgraner | we have a script that changes things but having to fill out 3 different templates doesn't work for me - I tried that | 14:34 |
| akgraner | but I can set them up incase it works for someone else | 14:34 |
| akgraner | I do have this - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-In-This-Issue-and-Fridge-Posting | 14:37 |
| akgraner | but what works for me may not work for someone else - I can just give some suggestions and show how I do it | 14:37 |
| alourie | right | 14:38 |
| akgraner | so when we do the training people can come up with tweaks and ideas that work for them - but we have can have some base guidelines | 14:39 |
| alourie | sure | 14:39 |
| alourie | some of the steps can be done in parallel btw, such as postings to IRC, forums and ML | 14:39 |
| akgraner | well not really | 14:40 |
| akgraner | you have to post to the ubuntu-news mailing list 1st | 14:40 |
| akgraner | that's where it gets released 1st | 14:40 |
| akgraner | forums take the plain text version through a script then you post it to the forums with all the formating | 14:41 |
| alourie | ok | 14:41 |
| alourie | so after it's gone into -news, all the rest can be done with some scripting, right? | 14:42 |
| akgraner | so there is an order to how it is supposed to be done - but once it hits the ubuntu-news list - the IRC and other mailing List announcements can be made in parallel | 14:42 |
| alourie | right, ^^ that's what I was talking about | 14:42 |
| akgraner | well when I tried sending to all the mailing lists putting all the address in the to area - people got hit with 7 copies | 14:42 |
| akgraner | so the only fix I've had so far is to email them one at a time | 14:43 |
| akgraner | there is an RT ticket on it but so far no one knows what is causing that to happen on some lists but not others | 14:43 |
| akgraner | so while it seems like oh you can just do it this way - when you try the easy way - people get really unhappy with 7 copies of the same thing | 14:44 |
| alourie | oh, yes | 14:44 |
| akgraner | but I'll go through it all with everyone and we can iron all that out | 14:44 |
| alourie | excellent | 14:45 |
| akgraner | once I publish it the ubuntu-news mailing list to farm out some of the pieces to others so several people have a one thing | 14:45 |
| akgraner | instead of me doing it all would be great! | 14:45 |
| akgraner | but knowing if one person had to do it all you all know how - then we don't have to worry about any one person getting hit by a bus | 14:46 |
| akgraner | crap - I'm late bbiab | 14:46 |
| alourie | :-) | 14:46 |
| akgraner | grrrrrr | 17:38 |
| MichealH | akgraner: Op up and do +b adsl-69-236-163-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net$##fix-your-connection ? | 17:39 |
| MichealH | If you are talking about the /j's and /quits's | 17:39 |
| akgraner | no I'm not | 17:41 |
| akgraner | talking about that | 17:41 |
| MichealH | Oh | 17:41 |
| akgraner | wiki stuff | 17:42 |
| MichealH | Whats the matter? | 17:42 |
| MichealH | Oh :P | 17:42 |
| MichealH | I can patch it up if you like? | 17:42 |
| MichealH | akgraner: What needs doing? | 17:42 |
| akgraner | nothing it's what someone did helping - but I really wish they hadn't - but it's cool - I'll get it fixed on the template | 17:43 |
| akgraner | MichealH, thank you though | 17:44 |
| akgraner | :-) | 17:44 |
| MichealH | akgraner: Anything i can do for UWN at the moment? | 17:44 |
| MichealH | Need a section for UWN that needs someone assigned? | 17:45 |
| MichealH | Anything? :) | 17:45 |
| akgraner | MichealH, if you want to do the Launchpad section | 17:45 |
| MichealH | Yeah | 17:45 |
| MichealH | Im good at LP | 17:45 |
| akgraner | just follow http://blog.launchpad.net/ | 17:45 |
| akgraner | and if the post something that will still be valid on Monday - then add it to that section of UWN | 17:46 |
| MichealH | Okay :) | 17:46 |
| MichealH | akgraner: Where do I find the next UWN newsletter on the Wiki? | 19:24 |
| akgraner | MichealH, - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter under Next Issue (Work In Progress) | 19:51 |
| MichealH | Thanks | 19:53 |
| akgraner | If you have questions please drop me an email - as I am between a million things at the moment | 19:53 |
| cody-somerville | akgraner, ping | 21:41 |
| akgraner | png | 21:42 |
| akgraner | pong even :-/ | 21:42 |
| newz2000 | akgraner: tip. Try hard to work with charlie. Don't be too quick to go over his head or put extra pressure on him. He's more reasonable than he may sound in the e-mail you sent him. | 21:48 |
| akgraner | newz2000, ok - I think a call will help with all that | 21:49 |
| akgraner | :-) it's hard to gage tone and stuff in emails - I am just really frustrated and trying hard to do everything the right way | 21:50 |
| newz2000 | He'd really like a good answer to the question about why Canonical should not host it. | 21:50 |
| akgraner | we can't do what we need to do as Fridge editors | 21:52 |
| akgraner | all we can do if it's on a Canonical Server we can only add content - we can't make all the other changes we are doing now | 21:52 |
| newz2000 | Talk to him about it. He's really turned around things on the sysadmin team in the last 8 weeks or so. | 21:53 |
| newz2000 | He's really interested in finding workable solutions. | 21:53 |
| newz2000 | And he does not know of the historical frustrations the fridge team has felt. He may have good solutions. | 21:54 |
| akgraner | ok - but he can't understand my frustration if he doesn't feel my pain | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | Be gentle to him. :-) | 21:54 |
| akgraner | or the historical pain we have all felt - but I'll be nice when I explain it | 21:54 |
| akgraner | newz2000, I just replied - tell if that is better - brb | 22:00 |
| newz2000 | ok | 22:00 |
| newz2000 | akgraner: good 2nd e-mail. I've replied to your prev e-mail asking them to hold off on intervening. Please exhaust your opportunities with charlie before going over his head. He is a contact worth building a good relationship with. | 22:05 |
| newz2000 | I'm not sure I can participate in a call but when you have a time feel free to invite me. | 22:05 |
| newz2000 | and by the way, everyone appreciates your enthusiasm in getting this done. You're on the right track. | 22:06 |
| highvoltage | newz2000++ | 22:08 |
| akgraner | newz2000, thank you! | 23:12 |
| akgraner | highvoltage, thanks as well | 23:17 |
| akgraner | sorry I had to run - my daughter had to be a practice | 23:18 |
| akgraner | ahhhh - frozen margarita for me :-) now to upgrade my machine... brb | 23:49 |
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