[02:27] akgraner: Question 10 is missing a text box for the 'Other' option [09:28] good morning [10:08] akgraner: ping === MikeDK_ is now known as MikeDK [11:57] Good Morning! [11:58] hi Amber [12:07] alourie, hey - I'll have all the templates ready for issue 214 in just a few - I need to finish the second half of publishing the newsletter [12:07] it was just too late last nigh [12:08] After UDS - I think weekly training sessions until everyone on the team at leasts knows how to publish UWN from start to finish :-) [12:08] Think we need a blueprint for that? [12:08] thoughts? [12:08] bbiab [12:14] akgraner: blueprint will allow the follow-up, so yea [12:15] and I think it's a really good idea that everyone knows how to publish UWN end-to-end [12:19] alourie, me too :-) for a gazillion and one reasons [12:19] I have the instructions for most things already on the wiki's [12:19] but I think it's better to go through things step by step [12:20] akgraner: sure thing [12:21] we then may have a "real" training sessions, so someone else would be issuing it each other week [12:21] I think John Crawford and I were on the phone like 5 hours when I he was teaching me [12:21] 5 hours straight... [12:22] wow [12:22] why so long? [12:22] we were exhausted by the end of the conversation [12:22] yea, I imaging [12:22] it's a lot of little steps [12:22] oh [12:22] and he taught me all in one day [12:22] maybe there's a place for making it easier? [12:22] I want to teach people all the steps over time so people are comfortable with each step [12:23] alourie, maybe? check out the wiki one sec I'll get you the link [12:23] akgraner: shoot [12:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies [12:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit [12:24] eek I need to up the schedule wiki - :-/ [12:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Schedule [12:24] but you'll get the idea [12:25] right [12:25] the guidelines and suggestions need updating as we have included more things [12:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/SectionGuidelines [12:26] here is my checklist spreadsheet that the wikis are based on - https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdFFxY0RhLVdaZU9xNk5zdTZIbFEyQVE&hl=en#gid=0 [12:26] wow [12:26] Amber I must say [12:26] this is insane [12:27] yes but before - there was nothing written down [12:27] editors pasted this information to each other [12:27] yea :-) [12:27] there was only a rough outline and editors "just knew" what to do [12:27] ok, I must run for a meeting, but I will give it a read over lunch :-) [12:27] so I wrote it all down [12:27] you [12:28] you're amazing. That's hardly human to do in time... [12:28] ok then [12:28] have fun at your meeting :-) [12:28] catch you laters [12:28] I doubt it, but hey, I have no choice :-) [12:28] cheers [12:30] :-) cheers [13:23] akgraner: hey, I'm back. I'm going for a lunch in a few moments, so I'll read the publishing wiki then [13:25] alourie, no hurry just more of an FYI for ya right now :-) [13:26] yea [13:27] akgraner: before I forget, do we have 214 in place yet? [13:29] yep we do [13:29] well let me double check I think I added the links but not the template :-/ [13:33] yep we do now :-) [13:39] Here's all the links for Issue 214 - thanks y'all [13:39] Issue 214 will cover October 11th-16th 2010 [13:39] Here are the links for working on next weeks issue: [13:39] * etherpad for adding summaries - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN [13:39] * etherpad for adding links and titles only - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas [13:39] * googledoc - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en [13:39] * wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue214 [14:21] akgraner: ok, so [14:22] I've read it, doesn't seem too complicated, just a lot of steps [14:30] alourie, yep :-) [14:31] and I even forget steps when I don't look at the list - [14:31] :-) [14:31] forgot one this week- change "on this site" to "in this issue" :-/ [14:32] when I emailed the list [14:33] but it will be fixed on the forums post later [14:33] akgraner: maybe you should prepare some email/forums/IRC posts templates too? [14:34] we have a script that changes things but having to fill out 3 different templates doesn't work for me - I tried that [14:34] but I can set them up incase it works for someone else [14:37] I do have this - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-In-This-Issue-and-Fridge-Posting [14:37] but what works for me may not work for someone else - I can just give some suggestions and show how I do it [14:38] right [14:39] so when we do the training people can come up with tweaks and ideas that work for them - but we have can have some base guidelines [14:39] sure [14:39] some of the steps can be done in parallel btw, such as postings to IRC, forums and ML [14:40] well not really [14:40] you have to post to the ubuntu-news mailing list 1st [14:40] that's where it gets released 1st [14:41] forums take the plain text version through a script then you post it to the forums with all the formating [14:41] ok [14:42] so after it's gone into -news, all the rest can be done with some scripting, right? [14:42] so there is an order to how it is supposed to be done - but once it hits the ubuntu-news list - the IRC and other mailing List announcements can be made in parallel [14:42] right, ^^ that's what I was talking about [14:42] well when I tried sending to all the mailing lists putting all the address in the to area - people got hit with 7 copies [14:43] so the only fix I've had so far is to email them one at a time [14:43] there is an RT ticket on it but so far no one knows what is causing that to happen on some lists but not others [14:44] so while it seems like oh you can just do it this way - when you try the easy way - people get really unhappy with 7 copies of the same thing [14:44] oh, yes [14:44] but I'll go through it all with everyone and we can iron all that out [14:45] excellent [14:45] once I publish it the ubuntu-news mailing list to farm out some of the pieces to others so several people have a one thing [14:45] instead of me doing it all would be great! [14:46] but knowing if one person had to do it all you all know how - then we don't have to worry about any one person getting hit by a bus [14:46] crap - I'm late bbiab [14:46] :-) [17:38] grrrrrr [17:39] akgraner: Op up and do +b adsl-69-236-163-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net$##fix-your-connection ? [17:39] If you are talking about the /j's and /quits's [17:41] no I'm not [17:41] talking about that [17:41] Oh [17:42] wiki stuff [17:42] Whats the matter? [17:42] Oh :P [17:42] I can patch it up if you like? [17:42] akgraner: What needs doing? [17:43] nothing it's what someone did helping - but I really wish they hadn't - but it's cool - I'll get it fixed on the template [17:44] MichealH, thank you though [17:44] :-) [17:44] akgraner: Anything i can do for UWN at the moment? [17:45] Need a section for UWN that needs someone assigned? [17:45] Anything? :) [17:45] MichealH, if you want to do the Launchpad section [17:45] Yeah [17:45] Im good at LP [17:45] just follow http://blog.launchpad.net/ [17:46] and if the post something that will still be valid on Monday - then add it to that section of UWN [17:46] Okay :) [19:24] akgraner: Where do I find the next UWN newsletter on the Wiki? [19:51] MichealH, - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter under Next Issue (Work In Progress) [19:53] Thanks [19:53] If you have questions please drop me an email - as I am between a million things at the moment [21:41] akgraner, ping [21:42] png [21:42] pong even :-/ [21:48] akgraner: tip. Try hard to work with charlie. Don't be too quick to go over his head or put extra pressure on him. He's more reasonable than he may sound in the e-mail you sent him. [21:49] newz2000, ok - I think a call will help with all that [21:50] :-) it's hard to gage tone and stuff in emails - I am just really frustrated and trying hard to do everything the right way [21:50] He'd really like a good answer to the question about why Canonical should not host it. [21:52] we can't do what we need to do as Fridge editors [21:52] all we can do if it's on a Canonical Server we can only add content - we can't make all the other changes we are doing now [21:53] Talk to him about it. He's really turned around things on the sysadmin team in the last 8 weeks or so. [21:53] He's really interested in finding workable solutions. [21:54] And he does not know of the historical frustrations the fridge team has felt. He may have good solutions. [21:54] ok - but he can't understand my frustration if he doesn't feel my pain [21:54] Be gentle to him. :-) [21:54] or the historical pain we have all felt - but I'll be nice when I explain it [22:00] newz2000, I just replied - tell if that is better - brb [22:00] ok [22:05] akgraner: good 2nd e-mail. I've replied to your prev e-mail asking them to hold off on intervening. Please exhaust your opportunities with charlie before going over his head. He is a contact worth building a good relationship with. [22:05] I'm not sure I can participate in a call but when you have a time feel free to invite me. [22:06] and by the way, everyone appreciates your enthusiasm in getting this done. You're on the right track. [22:08] newz2000++ [23:12] newz2000, thank you! [23:17] highvoltage, thanks as well [23:18] sorry I had to run - my daughter had to be a practice [23:49] ahhhh - frozen margarita for me :-) now to upgrade my machine... brb