[02:27] <nhandler> akgraner: Question 10 is missing a text box for the 'Other' option
[09:28] <alourie> good morning
[10:08] <alourie> akgraner: ping
[11:57] <akgraner> Good Morning!
[11:58] <alourie> hi Amber
[12:07] <akgraner> alourie, hey - I'll have all the templates ready for issue 214 in just a few - I need to finish the second half of publishing the newsletter
[12:07] <akgraner> it was just too late last nigh
[12:08] <akgraner> After UDS  - I think weekly training sessions until everyone on the team at leasts knows how to publish UWN from start to finish :-)
[12:08] <akgraner> Think we need a blueprint for that?
[12:08] <akgraner> thoughts?
[12:08] <akgraner> bbiab
[12:14] <alourie> akgraner: blueprint will allow the follow-up, so yea
[12:15] <alourie> and I think it's a really good idea that everyone knows how to publish UWN end-to-end
[12:19] <akgraner> alourie, me too :-)  for a gazillion and one reasons
[12:19] <akgraner> I have the instructions for most things already on the wiki's
[12:19] <akgraner> but I think it's better to go through things step by step
[12:20] <alourie> akgraner: sure thing
[12:21] <alourie> we then may have a "real" training sessions, so someone else would be issuing it each other week
[12:21] <akgraner> I think John Crawford and I were on the phone like 5 hours when I he was teaching me
[12:21] <akgraner> 5 hours straight...
[12:22] <alourie> wow
[12:22] <alourie> why so long?
[12:22] <akgraner> we were exhausted by the end of the conversation
[12:22] <alourie> yea, I imaging
[12:22] <akgraner> it's a lot of little steps
[12:22] <alourie> oh
[12:22] <akgraner> and he taught me all in one day
[12:22] <alourie> maybe there's a place for making it easier?
[12:22] <akgraner> I want to teach people all the steps over time so people are comfortable with each step
[12:23] <akgraner> alourie, maybe?  check out the wiki one sec I'll get you the link
[12:23] <alourie> akgraner: shoot
[12:23] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[12:24] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit
[12:24] <akgraner> eek I need to up the schedule wiki - :-/
[12:24] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Schedule
[12:24] <akgraner> but you'll get the idea
[12:25] <alourie> right
[12:25] <akgraner> the guidelines and suggestions need updating as we have included more things
[12:25] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/SectionGuidelines
[12:26] <akgraner> here is my checklist spreadsheet that the wikis are based on - https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdFFxY0RhLVdaZU9xNk5zdTZIbFEyQVE&hl=en#gid=0
[12:26] <alourie> wow
[12:26] <alourie> Amber I must say
[12:26] <alourie> this is insane
[12:27] <akgraner> yes but before - there was nothing written down
[12:27] <akgraner> editors pasted this information to each other
[12:27] <alourie> yea :-)
[12:27] <akgraner> there was only a rough outline and editors "just knew" what to do
[12:27] <alourie> ok, I must run for a meeting, but I will give it a read over lunch :-)
[12:27] <akgraner> so I wrote it all down
[12:27] <alourie> you
[12:28] <alourie> you're amazing. That's hardly human to do in time...
[12:28] <alourie> ok then
[12:28] <akgraner> have fun at your meeting :-)
[12:28] <akgraner> catch you laters
[12:28] <alourie> I doubt it, but hey, I have no choice :-)
[12:28] <alourie> cheers
[12:30] <akgraner> :-) cheers
[13:23] <alourie> akgraner: hey, I'm back. I'm going for a lunch in a few moments, so I'll read the publishing wiki then
[13:25] <akgraner> alourie, no hurry just more of an FYI for ya right now :-)
[13:26] <alourie> yea
[13:27] <alourie> akgraner: before I forget, do we have 214 in place yet?
[13:29] <akgraner> yep we do
[13:29] <akgraner> well let me double check I think I added the links but not the template :-/
[13:33] <akgraner> yep we do now :-)
[13:39] <akgraner> Here's all the links for Issue 214  - thanks y'all
[13:39] <akgraner> Issue 214 will cover October 11th-16th 2010
[13:39] <akgraner> Here are the links for working on next weeks issue:
[13:39] <akgraner> * etherpad for adding summaries -  http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN
[13:39] <akgraner> * etherpad for adding links and titles only - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas
[13:39] <akgraner> * googledoc - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[13:39] <akgraner> * wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue214
[14:21] <alourie> akgraner: ok, so
[14:22] <alourie> I've read it, doesn't seem too complicated, just a lot of steps
[14:30] <akgraner> alourie, yep :-)
[14:31] <akgraner> and I even forget steps when I don't look at the list -
[14:31] <akgraner> :-)
[14:31] <akgraner> forgot one this week- change "on this site" to "in this issue" :-/
[14:32] <akgraner> when I emailed the list
[14:33] <akgraner> but it will be fixed on the forums post later
[14:33] <alourie> akgraner: maybe you should prepare some email/forums/IRC posts templates too?
[14:34] <akgraner> we have a script that changes things but having to fill out 3 different templates doesn't work for me  - I tried that
[14:34] <akgraner> but I can set them up incase it works for someone else
[14:37] <akgraner> I do have this  - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-In-This-Issue-and-Fridge-Posting
[14:37] <akgraner> but what works for me may not work for someone else - I can just give some suggestions and show how I do it
[14:38] <alourie> right
[14:39] <akgraner> so when we do the training people can come up with tweaks and ideas that work for them - but we have can have some base guidelines
[14:39] <alourie> sure
[14:39] <alourie> some of the steps can be done in parallel btw, such as postings to IRC, forums and ML
[14:40] <akgraner> well not really
[14:40] <akgraner> you have to post to the ubuntu-news mailing list 1st
[14:40] <akgraner> that's where it gets released 1st
[14:41] <akgraner> forums take the plain text version through a script then you post it to the forums with all the formating
[14:41] <alourie> ok
[14:42] <alourie> so after it's gone into -news, all the rest can be done with some scripting, right?
[14:42] <akgraner> so there is an order to how it is supposed to be done - but once it hits the ubuntu-news list - the IRC and other mailing List announcements can be made in parallel
[14:42] <alourie> right, ^^ that's what I was talking about
[14:42] <akgraner> well when I tried sending to all the mailing lists putting all the address in the to area - people got hit with 7 copies
[14:43] <akgraner> so the only fix I've had so far is to email them one at a time
[14:43] <akgraner> there is an RT ticket on it but so far no one knows what is causing that to happen on some lists but not others
[14:44] <akgraner> so while it seems like oh you can just do it this way - when you try the easy way - people get really unhappy with 7 copies of the same thing
[14:44] <alourie> oh, yes
[14:44] <akgraner> but I'll go through it all with everyone and we can iron all that out
[14:45] <alourie> excellent
[14:45] <akgraner> once I publish it the ubuntu-news mailing list to farm out some of the pieces to others so several people have a one thing
[14:45] <akgraner> instead of me doing it all would be great!
[14:46] <akgraner> but knowing if one person had to do it all you all know how - then we don't have to worry about any one person getting hit by a bus
[14:46] <akgraner> crap - I'm late bbiab
[14:46] <alourie> :-)
[17:38] <akgraner> grrrrrr
[17:39] <MichealH> akgraner: Op up and do +b adsl-69-236-163-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net$##fix-your-connection ?
[17:39] <MichealH> If you are talking about the /j's and /quits's
[17:41] <akgraner> no I'm not
[17:41] <akgraner> talking about that
[17:41] <MichealH> Oh
[17:42] <akgraner> wiki stuff
[17:42] <MichealH> Whats the matter?
[17:42] <MichealH> Oh :P
[17:42] <MichealH> I can patch it up if you like?
[17:42] <MichealH> akgraner: What needs doing?
[17:43] <akgraner> nothing it's what someone did helping  - but I really wish they hadn't - but it's cool - I'll get it fixed on the template
[17:44] <akgraner> MichealH, thank you though
[17:44] <akgraner> :-)
[17:44] <MichealH> akgraner: Anything i can do for UWN at the moment?
[17:45] <MichealH> Need a section for UWN that needs someone assigned?
[17:45] <MichealH> Anything? :)
[17:45] <akgraner> MichealH, if you want to do the Launchpad section
[17:45] <MichealH> Yeah
[17:45] <MichealH> Im good at LP
[17:45] <akgraner> just follow http://blog.launchpad.net/
[17:46] <akgraner> and if the post something that will still be valid on Monday - then add it to that section of UWN
[17:46] <MichealH> Okay :)
[19:24] <MichealH> akgraner: Where do I find the next UWN newsletter on the Wiki?
[19:51] <akgraner> MichealH,  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter under Next Issue (Work In Progress)
[19:53] <MichealH> Thanks
[19:53] <akgraner> If you have questions please drop me an email - as I am between a million things at the moment
[21:41] <cody-somerville> akgraner, ping
[21:42] <akgraner> png
[21:42] <akgraner> pong even :-/
[21:48] <newz2000> akgraner: tip. Try hard to work with charlie. Don't be too quick to go over his head or put extra pressure on him. He's more reasonable than he may sound in the e-mail you sent him.
[21:49] <akgraner> newz2000, ok - I think a call will help with all that
[21:50] <akgraner> :-)  it's hard to gage tone and stuff in emails - I am just really frustrated and trying hard to do everything the right way
[21:50] <newz2000> He'd really like a good answer to the question about why Canonical should not host it.
[21:52] <akgraner> we can't do what we need to do as Fridge editors
[21:52] <akgraner> all we can do if it's on a Canonical Server we can only add content - we can't make all the other changes we are doing now
[21:53] <newz2000> Talk to him about it. He's really turned around things on the sysadmin team in the last 8 weeks or so.
[21:53] <newz2000> He's really interested in finding workable solutions.
[21:54] <newz2000> And he does not know of the historical frustrations the fridge team has felt. He may have good solutions.
[21:54] <akgraner> ok  - but he can't understand my frustration if he doesn't feel my pain
[21:54] <newz2000> Be gentle to him. :-)
[21:54] <akgraner> or the historical pain we have all felt - but I'll be nice when I explain it
[22:00] <akgraner> newz2000, I just replied - tell if that is better - brb
[22:00] <newz2000> ok
[22:05] <newz2000> akgraner: good 2nd e-mail. I've replied to your prev e-mail asking them to hold off on intervening. Please exhaust your opportunities with charlie before going over his head. He is a contact worth building a good relationship with.
[22:05] <newz2000> I'm not sure I can participate in a call but when you have a time feel free to invite me.
[22:06] <newz2000> and by the way, everyone appreciates your enthusiasm in getting this done. You're on the right track.
[22:08] <highvoltage> newz2000++
[23:12] <akgraner> newz2000, thank you!
[23:17] <akgraner> highvoltage, thanks as well
[23:18] <akgraner> sorry I had to run - my daughter had to be a practice
[23:49] <akgraner> ahhhh - frozen margarita for me :-)  now to upgrade my machine... brb