[04:02] <pwnguin> wheres a good place to debug mauve screenmof death?
[04:02] <RAOF> mauve screen of death?
[04:02] <pwnguin> yes
[04:02] <pwnguin> just a sec
[04:02] <RAOF> You're not successfully switching from plymouth to X?
[04:03] <pwnguin> i guess not
[04:04] <pwnguin> the xorg log just cuts ends with nvidia msgs
[04:04] <ScottK> RAOF: Did you see my ping on  bug 651294?  I'd like some help figuring out what package it should be assigned to.
[04:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really) (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294
[04:04] <RAOF> ScottK: Yeah, I saw that.
[04:05] <ScottK> Had a change to think about it?
[04:05] <ScottK> change/chance
[04:05] <RAOF> ScottK: xorg-server is my new candidate for fixing that.  Rather than trying to ensure that drivers do all their clean up properly during regen, make sure the server doesn't crash if the drivers forget something.
[04:05] <ScottK> Sounds more robust in the long run.
[04:07] <pwnguin> http://pwnguin.net/albums/v/Misc/20101011_005.jpg.html
[04:08] <pwnguin> im not sure if i should wait for dkms or something or hard reset
[04:10] <RAOF> Hm.
[04:10] <RAOF> That's an interesting colour; that doesn't look like the colour of the plymouth splash to me.
[04:10] <pwnguin> its some kind of fallback screen with text
[04:13] <pwnguin> maybe my laptop fell out of nvidia coverage
[04:14] <bjsnider> what hardware is this exactly?
[04:14] <pwnguin> quadro 110M
[04:14] <bjsnider> what about the baord?
[04:14] <pwnguin> toshiba tecra m7
[04:14] <pwnguin> heh
[04:15] <pwnguin> the board is a quadro
[04:15] <bjsnider> what?
[04:15] <RAOF> The 110M should be geforce 8 class hardware, right?
[04:15] <bjsnider> i mean the mainboard
[04:15] <pwnguin> quadro nvs 110M
[04:15] <bjsnider> is it an intel chipset?
[04:15] <pwnguin> mostly
[04:16] <bjsnider> well yuo sure as hell shouldn't be having issues
[04:16] <bjsnider> where is that pink coming from
[04:16] <bjsnider> can you get to a console?
[04:17] <pwnguin> yes if i use the safeboot grub option
[04:17] <bjsnider> have you tried nouveau? did it work in maverick with the 256 driver?
[04:18] <pwnguin> nouveau kinda works
[04:18] <pwnguin> except for apt not respecting the breaks field
[04:18]  * hyperair thought nouveau conflicts with the binary driver
[04:18] <bjsnider> what about the 256 driver?
[04:18] <hyperair> oh whoops
[04:19]  * hyperair shuts up
[04:19] <pwnguin> whats that?
[04:19] <bjsnider> the current stable nvidia driver
[04:19] <bjsnider> right now in maverick we've got the 260 beta release
[04:19] <bjsnider> it has some ishooz
[04:19] <pwnguin> is it packaged?
[04:19] <bjsnider> it was up until a week ago
[04:19] <pwnguin> great
[04:20] <bjsnider> so it works with nouveau but not nvidia. that narrows down the problem doesn't it?
[04:20] <pwnguin> yea
[04:21] <bjsnider> you're apparently one of the people stuck in no-man's land right now waiting for nvidia to release an updated 260 that addresses these ishooz
[04:21] <pwnguin> http://pastebin.com/fu70g5K3
[04:22] <pwnguin> ok well
[04:22] <pwnguin> is nouveau supposed to work with gnome monitor settings?
[04:23] <bjsnider> definitely
[04:23] <bjsnider> there's not anything crazy in your xorg.conf is there?
[04:23] <pwnguin> depends
[04:24] <pwnguin> if i nuke it
[04:24] <pwnguin> i get nouveau
[04:24] <bjsnider> the customedid option is not working right now
[04:24] <bjsnider> with nvidia
[04:24] <pwnguin> if i use nvidia-xconfig
[04:24] <pwnguin> i get that
[04:25] <bjsnider> jockey creates a good xorg.conf when you enable the recommended driver. i am not as confident in nvidia-xconfig
[04:25] <pwnguin> my old config had twinview with laptop panel off and vga out driving my monitor
[04:26] <pwnguin> jockey doesnt offer me nvidia
[04:26] <bjsnider> it should recommend nvidia-current
[04:26] <pwnguin> only if i instsll it first
[04:29] <pwnguin> im going to assume nvidia hates me for now
[04:29] <RAOF> Do you have the modaliases installed?
[04:29] <pwnguin> maybe not
[04:30] <pwnguin> yes
[04:30] <pwnguin> and try to get nouveau to drive my 1920x1200 monitor by vga
[04:30] <pwnguin> err
[04:31] <RAOF> I'd rather not drive _anything_ by vga
[04:31] <pwnguin> well
[04:31] <bjsnider> by vga i don't think will work at that res
[04:31] <pwnguin> you can soldier one on then
[04:31] <pwnguin> cuz its vga or svideo
[04:32] <RAOF> bjsnider: No, you can push an arbitrary resolution on VGA.  The noise just gets progressively worse.
[04:32] <pwnguin> works with nvidiap amazingly
[04:32] <pwnguin> apologies forfor the typos
[04:32] <pwnguin> the n900 keyboard is tiny
[04:33] <RAOF> pwnguin: Does it work with the previous nvidia drivers?
[04:33] <RAOF> pwnguin: You can get old versions from launchpad.
[04:34] <pwnguin> it did with 10.04
[04:34] <bjsnider> the only previous driver worth testing is 26.53
[04:35] <bjsnider> 256.53 that is
[04:35] <RAOF> Right.
[04:35] <bjsnider> but if you don't want vdpau or something, nouveau is fine
[04:35] <bjsnider> it even has 3d
[04:36] <pwnguin> i dont think i support vdpau
[04:36] <pwnguin> its roughly 7n70 class
[04:36] <pwnguin> err
[04:36] <pwnguin> n70
[04:36] <RAOF> You mean, geforce 7 (aka nv4x?)
[04:36] <pwnguin> 1:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M] (rev a1)
[04:36] <RAOF> Yup, there she is.  nv4x
[04:36] <pwnguin> i donno what i mean anymore
[04:37] <bjsnider> oh, so you're a politician?
[04:37] <RAOF> give https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/amd64/nvidia-current/256.53-0ubuntu3 or https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/i386/nvidia-current/256.53-0ubuntu3 a whirl.
[04:38] <pwnguin> this is what i get from nouveau in the best case thus far : http://pwnguin.net/albums/v/Misc/20101011_004.jpg.html
[04:39] <bjsnider> better than a pink screen
[04:39] <pwnguin> yes
[04:40] <RAOF> That's quite weird.
[04:40] <pwnguin> my laptop is 1440x900
[04:40] <pwnguin> the monitor is not
[04:41] <pwnguin> its like an absolute overlay
[04:41] <bjsnider> that's with both screens on right?
[04:41] <pwnguin> yes
[04:41] <bjsnider> so it's driving them both to 1440x900
[04:41] <pwnguin> well
[04:41] <RAOF> Oh.  That would happen if you're using fbdev rather than nouveau as the X driver.
[04:42] <pwnguin> i would think the monitor would just get a big blurry image ifthat wre the case
[04:42] <RAOF> No; nouveau's kms would set an appropriate mode, but would limit the framebuffer to 1440x900
[04:42] <pwnguin> ok
[04:43] <pwnguin> what all do i need to clear out to make room for this?
[04:43] <RAOF> Could you pastebin the nouveau Xorg.0.log?
[04:43] <bjsnider> remove nvidia-current and then install the local version
[04:44] <RAOF> You shouldn't even need to remove nvidia-current; just installing the appropriate deb should work.
[04:45] <bjsnider> be sure to come back in here if it works too. i am very curious
[04:45] <pwnguin> so nvidia-current doesn't have any dependencies?
[04:45] <pwnguin> and vice versa?
[04:45] <RAOF> Yup.
[04:45]  * pwnguin recalls the days of nvidia-glx
[04:45] <pwnguin> this modalias stuff though
[04:45] <RAOF> Is only for jocky.
[04:45] <pwnguin> ah
[04:46] <pwnguin> warning downgrading nvidia-current
[04:48] <pwnguin> maybe i'll film the boot process and upload it so you can see plymouth's text mode
[04:49] <pwnguin> it installed, but i hear i need xorg.conf
[04:50] <RAOF> You'll need some form of xorg.conf, yes.  Do you have one now?
[04:50] <pwnguin> dozens
[04:50] <RAOF> Heh.
[04:50] <bjsnider> these days it's very minimalist
[04:51] <pwnguin> http://pastebin.com/QUJUK7cE
[04:51] <bjsnider> ugh
[04:52] <pwnguin> at one point i used to use this laptop to test nouveau
[04:52] <pwnguin> so there's xorg.confs for nv, nvidia and nouveau lying around
[04:53]  * pwnguin refrains from mentioning wacom
[04:53] <RAOF> Oh, wow.  Using the kbd driver?
[04:53] <RAOF> Does that even work?
[04:53] <pwnguin> i donno
[04:53] <bjsnider> http://pastebin.com/9p6FjeKE
[04:53] <pwnguin> technically, no
[04:53] <pwnguin> it hasn't been, but i cant nessecarily blame that
[04:54] <pwnguin> anyways, rebootin time
[04:54] <bjsnider> nvidia-xconfig still puts that extra crap in there
[04:55] <pwnguin> well, they have to support rhel3 for another 20 days
[04:55] <pwnguin> minimum
[04:55] <bjsnider> oh great
[04:55] <bjsnider> that's a good reason
[04:55] <pwnguin> heh
[04:55] <pwnguin> it pays the bills
[04:55] <pwnguin> REBOOT
[04:58] <pwnguin> no dice
[04:59] <bjsnider> pink screen?
[04:59] <pwnguin> yep
[04:59] <pwnguin> was i supposed to remove nouveau somehow?
[04:59] <bjsnider> no
[05:00] <RAOF> Installing nvidia-current should have done all the trickery necessary.
[05:00] <pwnguin> grr
[05:01] <pwnguin> n900 wont play the videos i recorded
[05:02] <pwnguin> same goofy NVIDIA(0):      enabled
[05:02] <pwnguin> in the logs
[05:02] <RAOF> Got a pastebin of the log?
[05:02] <pwnguin> i can make one
[05:03] <pwnguin> 6GKesiC8
[05:06] <RAOF> And that's all of it?
[05:06] <pwnguin> yep
[05:06] <pwnguin> im assuming a kernel oops
[05:06] <bjsnider> i see no indication of trouble
[05:06] <RAOF> Possibly.
[05:06] <pwnguin> or some other hard lock
[05:07] <RAOF> bjsnider: Apart from the fact that the log just stops in the middle of initialisation, of course :)
[05:07] <bjsnider> but it doesn't say why
[05:07] <bjsnider> which means it's useless
[05:07] <RAOF> Indeed, yes.
[05:07] <pwnguin> which rules out all the ones it knows about
[05:07] <pwnguin> hence
[05:07] <pwnguin> kernel freeze
[05:08] <RAOF> Or a deadlock in the X driver.
[05:08] <RAOF> You could wander through the list of old versions on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers to find where it stopped working.
[05:08] <bjsnider> you should be looking at nouveau instead at this point
[05:09] <pwnguin> i am
[05:09] <bjsnider> older versions required the ignoreabi option in the xorg.conf file
[05:09] <pwnguin> originally i moved away because i needed to drop my laptop in place of my dead desktop
[05:10] <pwnguin> and nouveau wasn't playing ball
[05:10] <bjsnider> dead?
[05:10] <pwnguin> its 5 years old and wasnt booting
[05:10] <pwnguin> ran every version of ubuntu 
[05:10] <pwnguin> excepting 10.10 of course
[05:11] <pwnguin> worst case scenario i can always reinstall 10.04 :P
[05:12] <RAOF> Once you've got nouveau back on, pastebinning your Xorg.0.log would almost certainly allow us to resolve your interestingly-sized desktop problem.
[05:13] <pwnguin>  xrandr -q
[05:13] <pwnguin> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[05:13] <pwnguin> Screen 0: minimum 1440 x 900, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 900
[05:13] <pwnguin> default connected 1440x900+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1440x900        0.0*
[05:13] <pwnguin>  xrandr -q
[05:13] <pwnguin> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[05:13] <pwnguin> Screen 0: minimum 1440 x 900, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 900
[05:13] <pwnguin> hah, pastefail
[05:13] <pwnguin> http://pastebin.com/WwMjNLAQ
[05:14] <pwnguin> the scenario is, i want it to use my external 24 inch monitor, but ive only got vga out. noise be damned
[05:14] <RAOF> You'll find nouveau works better when it's installed.
[05:14] <pwnguin> heh
[05:14] <RAOF> [    40.921] (EE) Failed to load module "nouveau" (module does not exist, 0)
[05:15] <pwnguin> doesnt it conflict with libdrm2?
[05:15] <RAOF> No.
[05:15] <RAOF> Well, it *shouldn't*
[05:15] <RAOF> Unless you happen to have a broken libdrm2 lying around?
[05:16] <pwnguin> Package: libdrm-nouveau1
[05:16] <pwnguin> oh
[05:16] <pwnguin> breaks a version
[05:19] <RAOF> What's the output of trying to install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau?
[05:19] <pwnguin> works
[05:19] <pwnguin> boots
[05:19] <pwnguin> not great at resolution
[05:20] <pwnguin> ok
[05:20] <RAOF> And now Xorg.0.log says…?
[05:20] <pwnguin> i wish i knew  what step actually fixed it
[05:21] <pwnguin> kinda works
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[05:21] <pwnguin> bah
[05:21] <pwnguin> [    41.435] (II) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[05:22] <pwnguin> but otherwise, worky
[05:22] <pwnguin> [    41.416] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Opened GPU channel 1
[05:22] <pwnguin> http://pastebin.com/L9ddduQt
[05:24] <RAOF> You can get 3D by installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[05:24] <pwnguin> as a bonus
[05:24] <pwnguin> the biacklight finally turns off
[05:29] <pwnguin> nvidia's version of off didn't include this
[05:33] <pwnguin> well thanks for the help. might try experimental 3d later
[05:33] <pwnguin> but for now ive got some videos and podcasts to watch
[07:13] <michaelh1> Hi there.  I'm seeing a red tinge on the right hand half of my Thinkpad's LCD.   Using UMS and NewPll=True fixes it.  Has anyone seen this before?
[07:15] <RAOF> newpll suggests that you're using radeon, yes?
[07:18] <michaelh1> Yip.  It's a 1680x1050 LCD on a Thinkpad R500 laptop with Radeon HD 3400
[07:18] <michaelh1> I see the same on Lucid, Maverick, and recent openSUSE
[07:19] <michaelh1> Hardy was fine , but that was with frlgx
[07:20] <michaelh1> It's a hard thing to google for as 'red tinge radeon ubuntu' hits all types of random things...
[07:25] <RAOF> So, radeon.newpll=1 makes it work?
[07:27] <RAOF> It would be good to try the latest upstream kernel from the kernel-team archive; newpll has been removed in favour of a bit of re-working of the existing pll algorithm.
[07:34] <michaelh1> radeon.newpll doesn't seem to fix it.  I tried setting it via a /etc/modules option and checking /sys/module/radeon/parameters
[07:34] <michaelh1> s/newpll/new_pll/
[07:34] <RAOF> But UMS fixes it?
[07:35] <michaelh1> Yes, it's fine with UMS but then I loose chunks of OpenGL
[07:35] <RAOF> Yeah.
[07:35] <michaelh1> It could be that the kernel option isn't applying properly.  I'll try it as a boot option (radeon.new_pll=1)
[07:36] <RAOF> Yeah.  I'd be more interested in whether a newer kernel fixes it, though.
[07:36] <RAOF> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-next/current/ would be the one to try.
[07:42] <michaelh1> Will do
[09:21] <michaelh1> RAOF: 2.6.36-996.201010080908 seems better but it doesn't have support for my wifi card :)
[09:22] <michaelh1> RAOF: the problem takes a while to set in so I'll get wifi support and run it for a day
[10:03] <knittl> RAOF: ok. but what can i do about it?
[15:52] <soreau> How can I get a confirmation I have commit-X in component-Y?
[15:53] <jcristau> look at its git tree?
[16:17] <soreau> jcristau: I guess xorg-edgers package doesn't use any patches or omit any commits? just get it straight from whatever's upstream?
[16:17] <jcristau> oh, edgers.  dunno.
[16:18] <soreau> ah yes, I didn't specify that
[17:04] <Sarvatt> soreau: depends what package it is, you can look at whatever branch it says its using and any patches that are dropped are mentioned in the edgers changelog
[17:04] <Sarvatt> soreau: what package are you looking at?
[17:05] <soreau> Sarvatt: thanks, but I was more curious. I'm pretty sure I have <krh> soreau: so you have this commit? http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?id=9f13049ddf06f6f2138851a548cfb82f12a52f42
[17:05] <soreau> I remember that particular bug and it's been fixed since then
[17:05] <Sarvatt> yeah xf86-video-intel is straight upstream ati with a one liner bgnr patch
[17:05] <Sarvatt> err ati not intel
[17:06] <soreau> ok thanks
[17:42] <tjaalton> gah, so the autosuspend in maverick sort of hangs my x61
[17:44] <tjaalton> there's some message on the console, and I can still change the vt, but keyboard doesn't work otherwise
[19:04] <soreau> with 2.6.36 kernel from xorg-edgers using r300g, there is hard lock when pressing any key on the keyboard after X starts
[20:11] <ubuntu> guys can you suggest where the problem might be bug #657930
[20:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657930 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "Screen is flickering with enabled compositiong effects (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657930
[21:59] <michaelh1> Morning.  I talked with RAOF yesterday about a red 'tinge' problem on Lucid and Maverick with radeon that goes away with UMS and NewPll=True in xorg.conf
[22:00] <michaelh1> The problem goes away with kernel 2.6.36-996-generic but I can't enable compiz any more
[22:04] <michaelh1> Ah, figured it out.  An old module setting was stopping radeon.ko from loading...
[23:01] <RAOF> michaelh1: So that's fixed in the newer kernel?  Good, at least we won't have to worry about it for Natty.
[23:03] <michaelh1> RAOF: it's not fixed unfortunately.  I just realised the tinge is back.  Sometime it takes a while...
[23:04] <RAOF> Ok, then we get to worry about it for Natty :)
[23:04] <michaelh1> RAOF: it's like how older LCDs looked when you could play with the phase...
[23:04] <michaelh1> RAOF: I'll switch back to UMS for now and show you it at UDS
[23:04] <RAOF> When could you play with the phase?  Cool :)
[23:05] <RAOF> michaelh1: It'd be good if you could file a bug upstream; the PLL stuff has been reworked fairly recently, so it'll be fresh in *someone's* mind.
[23:05] <michaelh1> RAOF: I need to find the camera and take a picture...
[23:06] <michaelh1> RAOF: Do I file with the kernel or X.org?
[23:07] <RAOF> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg against Driver/Radeon will be fine.
[23:08] <RAOF> Or if you want to file it on launchpad and let me forward it, against xorg.
[23:17] <RAOF> Man, input is so much fun.  (Bug #636311)
[23:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 636311 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "Keyboard special keys interfere with mouse (affects: 97) (dups: 7) (heat: 280)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636311
[23:30] <michaelh1> RAOF: Logged as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30813
[23:30] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 30813 in Driver/Radeon "Red tinge on LCD when using KMS on Radeon" [Normal,New]
[23:30] <RAOF> Rocking, thanks.