[00:03] jrmy, Ok [00:03] Can you not find it at all? [00:04] Are you using a dual head video card or two card? [00:05] Or do you mean your primary screen? just to find it? [00:06] I can help with either i think. [00:13] laptop with a vga port on the back [00:13] judgen [00:14] my laptop is a gateway 1450 [00:15] Laptops are not my strong suite, but.. have you added the second gfx device in the Xorg? [00:15] what? [00:15] plugged in a monitor to the back? [00:16] can we continue this in liek 20 minutes i gotta pick someone up [00:16] bbl [00:16] ok [00:16] sure [00:28] * likemindead wishes there was more than one Xubuntu review for every 100 Ubuntu ones out there... [00:35] anything in particular you want reviewed? [00:38] Overall feel, I reckon. [00:39] Any bugginess? [00:40] I am not an reviewer, but xubuntu feels faster, snappier and more polished than gnome in most ways. [00:41] I still think the lower function should be included as a button on the windowmanager, but toher than that nothing i dislike. [00:41] jrmy, bk? [00:41] Yeah, I've been using Xubuntu for about two years now. Love Xfce. :D === judgen is now known as judgen-zzz [00:52] I am off to sleep now [00:52] 01:52 here [00:52] im back [00:53] night [00:53] jrmy, i am off too bed, but check this out [00:53] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93591 [00:53] maybe you have a broken bios [00:53] and need a software update for it [00:53] but i do not know your symptoms [00:53] Is the screen completley black, or do you get any output to your screen? [01:00] so where does the xfce menu file sit at [01:00] judgen-zzz: its completely black from what i can tell [01:01] Venim: it is actively built when logging in [01:02] well its built off of old things [01:02] because i just reinstalled xubuntu [01:02] and its showing me old wine things [01:02] that are not installed [01:02] because i deleted ~/.wine [01:02] It should be built off what you have installed. [01:02] but its not [01:02] If you used an old /home, there are things in it from the old desktop that will get used [01:03] and i am [01:03] but i deleted ~/.wine [01:03] It doesn't know you did not reinstall what you previously used [01:03] so it shouldn't pick it up there [01:03] so where is it building the wine programs off of [01:04] uses the files in /home/.wine or .config/ and .local [01:05] It is doing what it should. If you have a local configuration, it is not supposed to delete it [01:05] its not [01:05] but i got rid of .wine [01:05] so there shouldn't be any programs [01:07] I would examine ~/.config and ~/.local for it [01:07] Hey, just installed xubuntu on my netbook. It works very well. Only got one problem tho, I can add icons to my panel. [01:07] you can't? [01:08] Ye, sorry can't. [01:08] You have to add the launcher to the panel. right-click the panel, left-click "add to ...", pick a launcher [01:08] Ah, okay. [01:09] and yes, gnome/ubuntu is easier to do that with [01:09] Ye, I tot it would be the same as ubuntu. [01:09] no problem [01:10] We like to think of our users as more capable of making things work the way they want it to. [01:11] Cool. I have to say, I like it very much. And also, the booting speed seems faster than ubuntu. [01:42] Greetings! [01:43] hi [01:43] I have updated this machine over several versions of ubuntu and have migrated to Xubuntu now 10.10. Is there a place where I can see the default package list because I feel like I have a bunch of packages I dont need anymore..... [01:44] Yes, the manifest on the install cd [01:44] I do not have the CD [01:44] The manifest should be in the APT repo as well yes? [01:45] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/xubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.manifest [01:45] cheers =D [01:46] yes sir [01:47] Looks like the list [01:47] is this the list for the Live CD only? [01:47] They should be the same for both cd's, except the installer. [01:48] Live cd uses ubiquity and casper, alternate image uses debian-installer [01:48] I'll probably just focus on the gnome sections [01:48] because i was getting errors that the gnomescreensaver darmon was running at the same time, etc [01:49] yup [01:49] we replaced gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver. If both are installed, you get errors [01:49] The upgrade, to the best of my knowledge, does not remove gnome-screensaver [01:50] so far everything seems to be great i just wanted to check on some of those gnome packages [01:50] the only other issue ive came across is with irssi [01:51] irssi [01:51] TERM environment not set [01:51] Can't initialize screen handling, quitting. [01:51] yes. you can set it using export TERM xterm [01:51] bug 621927 [01:51] Launchpad bug 621927 in Ubuntu release notes "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621927 [01:52] It is in the xubuntu release notes [01:53] sounds good [01:54] i appreciate the help and the release =) [01:54] Our pleasure [01:57] would you recommend one of these bashrc changes shown in the launchpad? [01:58] adding export to it? yes [01:58] The same command will let it work automatically. [01:58] Otherwise, you have to enter the export command everytime you restart [01:59] cheers =) [02:04] is anyone familiar with wine & karmic? [02:07] Does Xubuntu 9.1 Koala support dial up internet? [02:45] i installed virtualbox-ose on lucid and started the virtualbox-ose app. I created a virtual machine and started it. It fails saying that I need to install virtualbox-ose-dkms and run modprobe vboxdrv as root. I have rebooted the computer after the install, still no go. Does anyone know? [02:48] do you have the ose-dkms installed now? [02:49] yes [02:49] i do [02:49] it was installed with virtualbox-ose package [02:50] and you modprobed the vboxdrv? [02:51] try lsmod | grep vbox [02:53] nada [02:53] it is not included [02:53] where do i find the driver module? [02:54] just modprobe vboxdrv should work - in /lib/modules somewhere [02:54] with sudo of course [02:55] FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found. [02:55] try find /lib/modules -name vbox [02:56] sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-dkms [02:56] Reading package lists... Done [02:56] Building dependency tree [02:56] Reading state information... Done [02:56] virtualbox-ose-dkms is already the newest version. [02:56] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [02:56] yep [02:56] autif@ws:/lib/modules$ find . | grep box [02:56] ./2.6.32-25-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid/megaraid_mbox.ko [02:56] ./2.6.32-21-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid/megaraid_mbox.ko [02:56] autif@ws:/lib/modules$ [02:57] no vboxdrv [02:58] seems it didn't run the setup [02:58] try sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup [03:00] that files does not exist - virtualboc-ose does and does not take setup as a parameter [03:02] I never use the ose version - someone in #ubuntu or #vbox might know if noone else here does [03:03] will try vbox ose - i have used it with karmic (ubuntu, not xubuntu) [03:03] seemed to work fine there [03:03] will try #vbox or #ubuntu [03:03] thanks gr8m8 [03:03] I tried :] [03:23] the sound is bad [03:23] in the xubuntu 10.10 [03:24] you need different music or... ? === RonIn_ is now known as Guest60469 [03:37] dude 10.10 sucks [03:38] why did they even release it as a stable release? [03:38] to many problems [03:39] it might have been a bit rushed to make the 10/10/10 date... [03:40] what they need to do is re make it and release it again [03:41] there will be fixes along shortly... maybe [03:41] bbiab [03:41] how long had they been working on it anyways? [03:41] ok [03:58] ok so the live CD for xubuntu 10.10 cant seem to mount upon booting [04:01] bbl [04:08] so, i uninstalled virtualbox-ose and installed VirtualBox from the deb package from their website. Now when I run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup - it can not find the kernel headers - Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 2.6.32-25-generic cannot be found at [04:08] /lib/modules/2.6.32-25-generic/build or /lib/modules/2.6.32-25-generic/source. === jrmy_ is now known as jrmy [04:15] was missing kernel headers - had xx.xx.xx, required xx.xx.xx-generic [04:16] im still missing X essentially [04:16] i think i just simply need to tell X what my screen has to be set to and it'll be fine [04:17] but idk [04:17] jrmy: can you google a xorg.conf for graphics? [04:17] im to tired [04:17] and im not smart enough to do commands [04:17] k [04:18] ive never used a terminal in all of my life of using a computer [04:18] it worked!!!! [04:18] now i have virtual machines [04:18] until last month i think [04:22] http://paste2.org/p/1032868 [04:23] ^^ is this enough to figure my monitor specifications? [04:23] i got this from being in a live cd of xubuntu 10.04 [04:24] used xrandr to pop up said info [04:25] jrmy: no - way short of what you need - in terminal do sudo lshw | grep vga to get the graphics card info then have a google for a xorg.conf to match it [04:26] when you find one I'll help you get it used [04:26] this works for laptops? [04:26] cause with vga being said will this include my lcd screen? [04:29] jrmy: it would just show the card not the diff screens - I would just do sudo lshw and check the lot [04:31] do i need both display 0 and display 1? [04:31] 0 is vga and 1 is the lcd [04:32] from lshw? - it doesn't mention them [04:32] yes from lshw [04:32] btw both say unclaimed [04:32] you need the card name like intel something or ati something or... [04:33] intel 82830 CGC [04:33] google intel 82830 xorg.conf [04:38] doesnt seem to be anything useful or anything i havent tried [04:47] idk im about to give up and go back to 10.04 [04:47] jrmy: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=61433 [04:48] has an xorg.conf and a line to add further down to get better graphics [04:52] well if i wasnt to tired then maybe i'd figure this out [04:52] so im going to bed [04:52] night [05:30] hey all, with the default, foss ati drivers in meerkat, can one get dualhead support? what's the best way to turn that on? [05:31] I need help installing Nvidia graphics driver on Xubuntu 10.10, can anyone help me? [05:33] I have a Nvidia Vanta graphics card, what is the proper way to install the best driver for it? [05:36] Cityscape: this has a howto [05:36] !nvidia [05:36] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [07:41] hi [07:42] hello [07:43] can somebody tell me what the difference between xfwm4 and openbox [08:06] anyone know how to get grandr to save its config across logins? do i just need to gksu it? [08:06] if itäs just GUI for xrandr, no way afaik [08:06] *it's [08:06] it is a gui for xrandr, it works for me, just doesn't save the config? [08:06] i'm not sure, but arandr might have saving option [08:07] hmm ok [08:08] if not, you need to create xrandr script to startup or xorg.conf [08:08] i really like the meerkat gtk theme for xubuntu :) [08:08] yea i need the xorg.conf, just am too lazy to figure out how to write one without trying guis first [08:08] i would like the xfwm4 meerkat theme, but it's so hard to resize windows... [08:09] imo xrandr way would be easier [08:09] alt rightclick [08:09] WOAH [08:09] i never knew that [08:09] omg that is so handy [08:11] oh god arandr ... [08:11] i don't understand if what i just saved in arandr will persist... [08:12] xrandr is command line right? [08:12] yes [08:12] looks like i might need to figure it out :/ [08:13] !xrandr [08:13] XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [08:14] xrandr --output FOO --mode fooxbar --right-of BAR [08:15] -_- [08:15] ok what xorg file does ubuntu use these days [08:15] /etc/X11? [08:16] /etc/X11/xorg.conf [08:16] i appear to now have one [08:16] not* [08:16] not by default [08:16] is that normal if i just fresh installed? [08:16] where did the Others category go in 10.10? [08:18] there doesn't happen to be a tool to generate an xorg.conf for me? i really am not much of an X person [08:20] raevol: X -configure [08:20] as root [08:20] best way to do it :) [08:20] than you don't have to change much in generated file [08:20] server already active for display 0 [08:21] yeah, you have to do it from tty [08:21] kill it with fi...service gdm stop [08:21] with X killed, or just from tty? [08:21] and with X disabled [08:21] or telinit 3 might be the best [08:21] i don't remember if it accepts display parameter [08:21] ok going to go to tty, but what is the command to kill gfm? [08:22] Sysi already wrote it [08:22] fi && service gdm stop? [08:22] like that? [08:22] without fi and ampersands [08:22] ok [08:22] ok [08:22] brb :D [08:22] i bet he will screw something up [08:22] :P [08:25] :/ doesn't appear to have made one, unless it made it somewhere else [08:25] in /root [08:26] it even told you where it wrote it [08:26] guess i wasn't paying attention :[ [08:26] don't worry [08:27] few years and you will type it in vi from memory :P [08:27] sudo cat /root/xorg.conf isn't doing it, did it name it something else/ [08:27] no such file [08:27] ehh [08:27] /root/xorg.conf.new [08:27] or something like this [08:27] sudo ls /root is giving nothing.. [08:28] locate xorg.conf [08:28] i wonder if it failed [08:28] i don't think so [08:28] yea there's an example noveau one that's it [08:28] (and a man and some xorg.conf.d) [08:29] it'll be in the home dir [08:29] let me try again and read this time [08:29] brb === Sterist is now known as Shuma-Gimmick [08:31] /home/raevol/xorg.conf.new ._. [08:32] can you link me to that xrandr guide again? [08:32] !xrandr [08:32] XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [08:32] thanks [08:32] np === Shuma-Gimmick is now known as Sterist [08:35] i hate writing xorg.confs... sigh [08:36] i always google for one... [08:36] never done one [08:36] :( [08:36] who said this would be easier :P [08:37] :D [08:42] ok i saved it, is there a way to dynamically load it or do i need to log out/in? [08:43] logout [08:44] k brb [08:51] no dice [08:51] back to grandrt [09:06] so when i am at gdm things seem fine [09:06] but when i log in i lose a screen [09:06] ideas on where it is loading a new config from? [09:13] it's in .config/xfwm4 [09:13] err [09:13] .config/xfce4/xfwm4 [09:13] that settings overwrites xorg.conf [09:23] got it... whew [09:23] thanks all [10:26] how do i get to Wine now that the Others category is gone in the 10.10 apps menu? [10:29] terminal [10:34] oh man.. [10:34] 10.10 is quickly becoming hell lol [10:35] reminding me of Sony... removing features (-_-) [10:36] new ubuntu way :/ [10:37] they better not persue windows "qualities" any further... 10.04 was a perfect balance between simple and efficient [10:37] now it's leaning towards "simple" [10:38] 10.04 is LTS [10:38] indeed [10:39] first LTS released during my linux experience [10:40] i only wish i discovered it years earlier... windows has caused so much grief [11:14] hi [11:14] hello please kindly explain how to change display settings on xubuntu. I'm using vga cable. is it possible to change screen resolution 1360x768 or so... :) [11:15] i recently attached a keyboard with volume up/down and mute keys and out of the box the keys worked as expected. However after a couple of hours, they stopped working. [11:15] gigglefight: try using xrandr [11:15] can you give me a hint on which part/subsuystem of xfce manages volume keys and where to start debuggin? [11:15] from terminal; how to get xrandr [11:15] +g [11:16] i've read about some workarounds with xfce keybindings and amixer, but as it used to work for some time, i'd like to fix the broken thing that made it work [11:16] i already tried restarting xfce4-volumed with no success [11:16] gigglefight: type 'xrandr' [11:17] when attaching to xfce4-volumed with strace it doesn't react on keypresses [11:17] @TheSheep: thanks. :) [11:17] however the keypresses are detected in xev [11:20] cata: I think there is a bug in xfce4-volumed, I just bound amixer to the media keys in the keyboard settings [11:21] strange. i didn't do updates before it stopped working. [11:21] take off/on numLock [11:23] @TheSheep: hello again; is it possible to increase the display resolution on xubuntu? i've tried xrandr [11:24] what graphics card? [11:24] I'll check [11:27] @Sysi: I know this kinda sounds sad... How would I find my graphic card information. i'm a newbie. [11:31] is there a way to revert to 10.04's Theme but stay on 10.10? [11:32] @Sysi: it's Intel Graphics Controller [11:32] 82810 [11:33] FYI 40 updates available on Proposed right now [11:34] Sysi: That fixed it. how weird is that? [11:34] with an Intel 82810 Graphics Controller, would that support a higher resolution or different display type? if so, how to go about adjusting the screen resolution, it's only given me the option for a 800x600 resolution. [11:34] cata: not very :/ [11:34] i would have never figured that out by chance though. :) [11:35] gigglefight: sounds a bit weird (hilight works better without @) [11:35] * cata toggles volume up and down like crazy [11:36] sysi: thanks. [11:36] Sysi does the google [11:36] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-426133.html [13:20] Hello people, i just installed fresh xubuntu on my friends notebook and although the native resolution should be 1280x800 what i get is 1600x1200 with refresh rate 0hz. When i change resoultions the screen gets scrambled, and only on 1600x1200 it holds together although there is large part of screen invisible on right and bottom. any suggestions? [13:21] just to mention that only on 1200x800 i can select 60hz but the screen gets scrambled like on any other ( i have tried them all) [13:23] daira: there should be something in the X log about what's going on there [13:24] gr8m8, i will check the log [13:28] gr8m8, can i kindly ask you to check the log @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/511621/ becouse my understanding of x is very low. [13:28] thank you in advance [13:40] daira: sure :] [13:40] thx [13:44] daira: line 171 suggests you might need to give the driver some options for the screen size in the config file [13:45] daira: line 250 doesn't look good === DBeets_ is now known as DBeets [13:47] not supported : ) [13:47] i am using 10.04 xubuntu, maybe an kernel update would help? [13:48] fresh install [13:48] with updates applied [13:48] daira: unichrome driver is maybe not the best but it is the right one for your card [13:49] it seems it needs you to give it alot of options in the config 'cause it can't figure it out for itself [13:49] can i use some alternative? i remember in using puppy linux that there were some vesa and some other drivers that worked on almost every notebook [13:49] is xubuntu lighter than normal ubuntu? [13:50] I mean on cpu ram etc [13:51] daira: yep - you can set a xorg.conf and name vesa as the driver - google will help - but if you give all the options in a config the unichrome driver should work better [13:51] buffcns2: a little bit better - not so much lately [13:53] daira: there should be some posts about unichrome xorg out there [13:53] how should i do that, i think that i should use 1200x800 @ 60hz [13:54] gr8m8, thanks, that's kinda what i thought [13:54] if you dont know precisely i can google ofcourse and find out [13:54] daira_: you can use sudo X -configure to get a base xorg.conf from a tty after you stop X with sudo service gdm stop [13:54] does xubuntu still use gdm for graphical login manager like normal ubuntu? [13:55] yep [13:55] cheers [13:55] np :] [13:59] Greetings [14:00] I would like to disable the graphical network manager in xubuntu (10.04 LTS), and use the old but reliable /etc/network/interfaces file [14:00] do you know how to do that ? [14:02] a manual change in the file disables network manager control [14:02] GREAT [14:03] because, not having internet because of a Xorg problem (kernel update w/ nvidia drivers) , is quite awful and useless [14:09] where is gr8m8 :) [14:10] left the building? [14:10] At least, left the channel [14:13] can someone else help me from what i have written or do i have to start all over :) [14:14] when i stopped x the screen was also scrambled [14:14] so i couldnt run X -configure [14:16] brb === NastX is now known as NastY === NastY is now known as NastX [15:03] Hi i have some a problem. I want to use xfce-notifyd for my system, but every time i try to install some kde applications, synaptic wants to remove xfce-notifyd - is there some work aorund? [15:03] *around [15:04] Probably not. file a bug against the kde apps for doing that? [15:04] install it back afterwards [15:05] Sysi, if i install it back it wants to remove ALL kde apps... [15:05] this keeps bugging me [15:05] does synaptic use aptitude? [15:05] yes [15:06] install it with apt-get [15:06] oh wait xD [15:06] synaptic uses apt sry... [15:06] does anyone know to install xvid codec on xubuntu 10.10? [15:07] are you watching dvd rr file? [15:07] "rr" ? [15:07] *or [15:07] !dvd [15:07]