[00:03] <judgen> jrmy, Ok
[00:03] <judgen> Can you not find it at all?
[00:04] <judgen> Are you using a dual head video card or two card?
[00:05] <judgen> Or do you mean your primary screen? just to find it?
[00:06] <judgen> I can help with either i think.
[00:13] <jrmy> laptop with a vga port on the back
[00:13] <jrmy> judgen
[00:14] <jrmy> my laptop is a gateway 1450
[00:15] <judgen> Laptops are not my strong suite, but.. have you added the second gfx device in the Xorg?
[00:15] <jrmy> what?
[00:15] <jrmy> plugged in a monitor to the back?
[00:16] <jrmy> can we continue this in liek 20 minutes i gotta pick someone up
[00:16] <jrmy> bbl
[00:16] <judgen> ok
[00:16] <judgen> sure
[00:28]  * likemindead wishes there was more than one Xubuntu review for every 100 Ubuntu ones out there...
[00:35] <judgen> anything in particular you want reviewed?
[00:38] <likemindead> Overall feel, I reckon.
[00:39] <likemindead> Any bugginess?
[00:40] <judgen> I am not an reviewer, but xubuntu feels faster, snappier and more polished than gnome in most ways.
[00:41] <judgen> I still think the lower function should be included as a button on the windowmanager, but toher than that nothing i dislike.
[00:41] <judgen> jrmy, bk?
[00:41] <likemindead> Yeah, I've been using Xubuntu for about two years now. Love Xfce. :D
[00:52] <judgen-zzz> I am off to sleep now
[00:52] <judgen-zzz> 01:52 here
[00:52] <jrmy> im back
[00:53] <jrmy> night
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> jrmy, i am off too bed, but check this out
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93591
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> maybe you have a broken bios
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> and need a software update for it
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> but i do not know your symptoms
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> Is the screen completley black, or do you get any output to your screen?
[01:00] <Venim> so where does the xfce menu file sit at
[01:00] <jrmy> judgen-zzz: its completely black from what i can tell
[01:01] <charlie-tca> Venim: it is actively built when logging in
[01:02] <Venim> well its built off of old things
[01:02] <Venim> because i just reinstalled xubuntu
[01:02] <Venim> and its showing me old wine things
[01:02] <Venim> that are not installed
[01:02] <Venim>  because i deleted ~/.wine
[01:02] <charlie-tca> It should be built off what you have installed.
[01:02] <Venim> but its not
[01:02] <charlie-tca> If you used an old /home, there are things in it from the old desktop that will get used
[01:03] <Venim> and i am
[01:03] <Venim> but i deleted ~/.wine
[01:03] <charlie-tca> It doesn't know you did not reinstall what you previously used
[01:03] <Venim> so it shouldn't pick it up there
[01:03] <Venim> so where is it building the wine programs off of
[01:04] <charlie-tca> uses the files in /home/.wine or .config/ and .local
[01:05] <charlie-tca> It is doing what it should. If you have a local configuration, it is not supposed to delete it
[01:05] <Venim> its not
[01:05] <Venim> but i got rid of .wine
[01:05] <Venim> so there shouldn't be any programs
[01:07] <charlie-tca> I would examine ~/.config and ~/.local for it
[01:07] <tywgg> Hey, just installed xubuntu on my netbook. It works very well. Only got one problem tho, I can add icons to my panel.
[01:07] <charlie-tca> you can't?
[01:08] <tywgg> Ye, sorry can't.
[01:08] <charlie-tca> You have to add the launcher to the panel. right-click the panel, left-click "add to ...", pick a launcher
[01:08] <tywgg> Ah, okay.
[01:09] <charlie-tca> and yes, gnome/ubuntu is easier to do that with
[01:09] <tywgg> Ye, I tot it would be the same as ubuntu.
[01:09] <charlie-tca> no problem
[01:10] <charlie-tca> We like to think of our users as more capable of making things work the way they want it to.
[01:11] <tywgg> Cool. I have to say, I like it very much. And also, the booting speed seems faster than ubuntu.
[01:42] <Swishahouse> Greetings!
[01:43] <jrmy> hi
[01:43] <Swishahouse> I have updated this machine over several versions of ubuntu and have migrated to Xubuntu now 10.10.  Is there a place where I can see the default package list because I feel like I have a bunch of packages I dont need anymore.....
[01:44] <charlie-tca> Yes, the manifest on the install cd
[01:44] <Swishahouse> I do not have the CD
[01:44] <Swishahouse> The manifest should be in the APT repo as well yes?
[01:45] <Swishahouse> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/xubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.manifest
[01:45] <Swishahouse> cheers =D
[01:46] <charlie-tca> yes sir
[01:47] <charlie-tca> Looks like the list
[01:47] <Swishahouse> is this the list for the Live CD only?
[01:47] <charlie-tca> They should be the same for both cd's, except the installer.
[01:48] <charlie-tca> Live cd uses ubiquity and casper, alternate image uses debian-installer
[01:48] <Swishahouse> I'll probably just focus on the gnome sections
[01:48] <Swishahouse> because i was getting errors that the gnomescreensaver darmon was running at the same time, etc
[01:49] <charlie-tca> yup
[01:49] <charlie-tca> we replaced gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver. If both are installed, you get errors
[01:49] <charlie-tca> The upgrade, to the best of my knowledge, does not remove gnome-screensaver
[01:50] <Swishahouse> so far everything seems to be great i just wanted to check on some of those gnome packages
[01:50] <Swishahouse> the only other issue ive came across is with irssi
[01:51] <Swishahouse> irssi
[01:51] <Swishahouse> TERM environment not set
[01:51] <Swishahouse> Can't initialize screen handling, quitting.
[01:51] <charlie-tca> yes. you can set it using export TERM xterm
[01:51] <charlie-tca> bug 621927
[01:52] <charlie-tca> It is in the xubuntu release notes
[01:53] <Swishahouse> sounds good
[01:54] <Swishahouse> i appreciate the help and the release =)
[01:54] <charlie-tca> Our pleasure
[01:57] <Swishahouse> would you recommend one of these bashrc changes shown in the launchpad?
[01:58] <charlie-tca> adding export to it? yes
[01:58] <charlie-tca> The same command will let it work automatically.
[01:58] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, you have to enter the export command everytime you restart
[01:59] <Swishahouse> cheers =)
[02:04] <Debby> is anyone familiar with wine & karmic?
[02:07] <Debby> Does Xubuntu 9.1 Koala support dial up internet?
[02:45] <autif> i installed virtualbox-ose on lucid and started the virtualbox-ose app. I created a virtual machine and started it. It fails saying that I need to install virtualbox-ose-dkms and run modprobe vboxdrv as root. I have rebooted the computer after the install, still no go. Does anyone know?
[02:48] <gr8m8> do you have the ose-dkms installed now?
[02:49] <autif> yes
[02:49] <autif> i do
[02:49] <autif> it was installed with virtualbox-ose package
[02:50] <gr8m8> and you modprobed the vboxdrv?
[02:51] <gr8m8> try   lsmod | grep vbox
[02:53] <autif> nada
[02:53] <autif> it is not included
[02:53] <autif> where do i find the driver module?
[02:54] <gr8m8> just   modprobe vboxdrv   should work - in /lib/modules somewhere
[02:54] <gr8m8> with sudo of course
[02:55] <autif>  FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
[02:55] <gr8m8> try   find /lib/modules -name vbox
[02:56] <autif> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-dkms
[02:56] <autif> Reading package lists... Done
[02:56] <autif> Building dependency tree
[02:56] <autif> Reading state information... Done
[02:56] <autif> virtualbox-ose-dkms is already the newest version.
[02:56] <autif> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:56] <gr8m8> yep
[02:56] <autif> autif@ws:/lib/modules$ find . | grep box
[02:56] <autif> ./2.6.32-25-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid/megaraid_mbox.ko
[02:56] <autif> ./2.6.32-21-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid/megaraid_mbox.ko
[02:56] <autif> autif@ws:/lib/modules$
[02:57] <autif> no vboxdrv
[02:58] <gr8m8> seems it didn't run the setup
[02:58] <gr8m8> try   sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[03:00] <autif> that files does not exist - virtualboc-ose does and does not take setup as a parameter
[03:02] <gr8m8> I never use the ose version - someone in #ubuntu or #vbox might know if noone else here does
[03:03] <autif> will try vbox ose - i have used it with karmic (ubuntu, not xubuntu)
[03:03] <autif> seemed to work fine there
[03:03] <autif> will try #vbox or #ubuntu
[03:03] <autif> thanks gr8m8
[03:03] <gr8m8> I tried :]
[03:23] <xGrind> the sound is bad
[03:23] <xGrind> in the xubuntu 10.10
[03:24] <gr8m8> you need different music or... ?
[03:37] <jrmy> dude 10.10 sucks
[03:38] <jrmy> why did they even release it as a stable release?
[03:38] <jrmy> to many problems
[03:39] <gr8m8> it might have been a bit rushed to make the 10/10/10 date...
[03:40] <jrmy> what they need to do is re make it and release it again
[03:41] <gr8m8> there will be fixes along shortly... maybe
[03:41] <gr8m8> bbiab
[03:41] <jrmy> how long had they been working on it anyways?
[03:41] <jrmy> ok
[03:58] <jrmy> ok so the live CD for xubuntu 10.10 cant seem to mount upon booting
[04:01] <jrmy> bbl
[04:08] <autif> so, i uninstalled virtualbox-ose and installed VirtualBox from the deb package from their website. Now when I run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup - it can not find the kernel headers - Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 2.6.32-25-generic cannot be found at
[04:08] <autif> /lib/modules/2.6.32-25-generic/build or /lib/modules/2.6.32-25-generic/source.
[04:15] <autif> was missing kernel headers - had xx.xx.xx, required xx.xx.xx-generic
[04:16] <jrmy> im still missing X essentially
[04:16] <jrmy> i think i just simply need to tell X what my screen has to be set to and it'll be fine
[04:17] <jrmy> but idk
[04:17] <gr8m8> jrmy: can you google a xorg.conf for graphics?
[04:17] <jrmy> im to tired
[04:17] <jrmy> and im not smart enough to do commands
[04:17] <gr8m8> k
[04:18] <jrmy> ive never used a terminal in all of my life of using a computer
[04:18] <autif> it worked!!!!
[04:18] <autif> now i have virtual machines
[04:18] <jrmy> until last month i think
[04:22] <jrmy> http://paste2.org/p/1032868
[04:23] <jrmy> ^^ is this enough to figure my monitor specifications?
[04:23] <jrmy> i got this from being in a live cd of xubuntu 10.04
[04:24] <jrmy> used xrandr to pop up said info
[04:25] <gr8m8> jrmy: no - way short of what you need - in terminal do   sudo lshw | grep vga   to get the graphics card info then have a google for a xorg.conf to match it
[04:26] <gr8m8> when you find one I'll help you get it used
[04:26] <jrmy> this works for laptops?
[04:26] <jrmy> cause with vga being said will this include my lcd screen?
[04:29] <gr8m8> jrmy: it would just show the card not the diff screens - I would just do sudo lshw and check the lot
[04:31] <jrmy> do i need both display 0 and display 1?
[04:31] <jrmy> 0 is vga and 1 is the lcd
[04:32] <gr8m8> from lshw? - it doesn't mention them
[04:32] <jrmy> yes from lshw
[04:32] <jrmy> btw both say unclaimed
[04:32] <gr8m8> you need the card name like intel something or ati something or...
[04:33] <jrmy> intel 82830 CGC
[04:33] <gr8m8> google intel 82830 xorg.conf
[04:38] <jrmy> doesnt seem to be anything useful or anything i havent tried
[04:47] <jrmy> idk im about to give up and go back to 10.04
[04:47] <gr8m8> jrmy: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=61433
[04:48] <gr8m8> has an xorg.conf and a line to add further down to get better graphics
[04:52] <jrmy> well if i wasnt to tired then maybe i'd figure this out
[04:52] <jrmy> so im going to bed
[04:52] <jrmy> night
[05:30] <raevol> hey all, with the default, foss ati drivers in meerkat, can one get dualhead support? what's the best way to turn that on?
[05:31] <Cityscape> I need help installing Nvidia graphics driver on Xubuntu 10.10, can anyone help me?
[05:33] <Cityscape> I have a Nvidia Vanta graphics card, what is the proper way to install the best driver for it?
[05:36] <gr8m8> Cityscape: this has a howto
[05:36] <gr8m8> !nvidia
[07:41] <Wizard> hi
[07:42] <bobby> hello
[07:43] <bobby> can somebody tell me what the difference between xfwm4 and openbox
[08:06] <raevol> anyone know how to get grandr to save its config across logins? do i just need to gksu it?
[08:06] <Sysi> if itäs just GUI for xrandr, no way afaik
[08:06] <Sysi> *it's
[08:06] <raevol> it is a gui for xrandr, it works for me, just doesn't save the config?
[08:06] <Sysi> i'm not sure, but arandr might have saving option
[08:07] <raevol> hmm ok
[08:08] <Sysi> if not, you need to create xrandr script to startup or xorg.conf
[08:08] <raevol> i really like the meerkat gtk theme for xubuntu :)
[08:08] <raevol> yea i need the xorg.conf, just am too lazy to figure out how to write one without trying guis first
[08:08] <raevol> i would like the xfwm4 meerkat theme, but it's so hard to resize windows...
[08:09] <Sysi> imo xrandr way would be easier
[08:09] <Sysi> alt rightclick
[08:09] <raevol> WOAH
[08:09] <raevol> i never knew that
[08:09] <raevol> omg that is so handy
[08:11] <raevol> oh god arandr ...
[08:11] <raevol> i don't understand if what i just saved in arandr will persist...
[08:12] <raevol> xrandr is command line right?
[08:12] <Sysi> yes
[08:12] <raevol> looks like i might need to figure it out :/
[08:13] <gr8m8> !xrandr
[08:14] <Sysi> xrandr --output FOO --mode fooxbar --right-of BAR
[08:15] <raevol> -_-
[08:15] <raevol> ok what xorg file does ubuntu use these days
[08:15] <raevol> /etc/X11?
[08:16] <Sysi> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:16] <raevol> i appear to now have one
[08:16] <raevol> not*
[08:16] <Sysi> not by default
[08:16] <raevol> is that normal if i just fresh installed?
[08:16] <Sterist> where did the Others category go in 10.10?
[08:18] <raevol> there doesn't happen to be a tool to generate an xorg.conf for me? i really am not much of an X person
[08:20] <Wizard> raevol: X -configure
[08:20] <Wizard> as root
[08:20] <Wizard> best way to do it :)
[08:20] <Wizard> than you don't have to change much in generated file
[08:20] <raevol> server already active for display 0
[08:21] <Wizard> yeah, you have to do it from tty
[08:21] <Sysi> kill it with fi...service gdm stop
[08:21] <raevol> with X killed, or just from tty?
[08:21] <Wizard> and with X disabled
[08:21] <Sysi> or telinit 3 might be the best
[08:21] <Wizard> i don't remember if it accepts display parameter
[08:21] <raevol> ok going to go to tty, but what is the command to kill gfm?
[08:22] <Wizard> Sysi already wrote it
[08:22] <raevol> fi && service gdm stop?
[08:22] <raevol> like that?
[08:22] <Wizard> without fi and ampersands
[08:22] <raevol> ok
[08:22] <raevol> ok
[08:22] <raevol> brb :D
[08:22] <Wizard> i bet he will screw something up
[08:22] <Wizard> :P
[08:25] <raevol> :/ doesn't appear to have made one, unless it made it somewhere else
[08:25] <Wizard> in /root
[08:26] <Wizard> it even told you where it wrote it
[08:26] <raevol> guess i wasn't paying attention :[
[08:26] <Wizard> don't worry
[08:27] <Wizard> few years and you will type it in vi from memory :P
[08:27] <raevol> sudo cat /root/xorg.conf isn't doing it, did it name it something else/
[08:27] <raevol> no such file
[08:27] <Wizard> ehh
[08:27] <Wizard> /root/xorg.conf.new
[08:27] <Wizard> or something like this
[08:27] <raevol> sudo ls /root is giving nothing..
[08:28] <Sysi> locate xorg.conf
[08:28] <raevol> i wonder if it failed
[08:28] <Wizard> i don't think so
[08:28] <raevol> yea there's an example noveau one that's it
[08:28] <raevol> (and a man and some xorg.conf.d)
[08:29] <gr8m8> it'll be in the home dir
[08:29] <raevol> let me try again and read this time
[08:29] <raevol> brb
[08:31] <raevol> /home/raevol/xorg.conf.new ._.
[08:32] <raevol> can you link me to that xrandr guide again?
[08:32] <gr8m8> !xrandr
[08:32] <raevol> thanks
[08:32] <gr8m8> np
[08:35] <raevol> i hate writing xorg.confs... sigh
[08:36] <gr8m8> i always google for one...
[08:36] <Sysi> never done one
[08:36] <raevol> :(
[08:36] <raevol> who said this would be easier :P
[08:37] <Wizard> :D
[08:42] <raevol> ok i saved it, is there a way to dynamically load it or do i need to log out/in?
[08:43] <gr8m8> logout
[08:44] <raevol> k brb
[08:51] <raevol> no dice
[08:51] <raevol> back to grandrt
[09:06] <raevol> so when i am at gdm things seem fine
[09:06] <raevol> but when i log in i lose a screen
[09:06] <raevol> ideas on where it is loading a new config from?
[09:13] <raevol> it's in .config/xfwm4
[09:13] <raevol> err
[09:13] <raevol> .config/xfce4/xfwm4
[09:13] <raevol> that settings overwrites xorg.conf
[09:23] <raevol> got it... whew
[09:23] <raevol> thanks all
[10:26] <Sterist> how do i get to Wine now that the Others category is gone in the 10.10 apps menu?
[10:29] <Sysi> terminal
[10:34] <Sterist> oh man..
[10:34] <Sterist> 10.10 is quickly becoming hell lol
[10:35] <Sterist> reminding me of Sony... removing features (-_-)
[10:36] <Sysi> new ubuntu way :/
[10:37] <Sterist> they better not persue windows "qualities" any further... 10.04 was a perfect balance between  simple and efficient
[10:37] <Sterist> now it's leaning towards "simple"
[10:38] <Sysi> 10.04 is LTS
[10:38] <Sterist> indeed
[10:39] <Sterist> first LTS released during my linux experience
[10:40] <Sterist> i only wish i discovered it years earlier... windows has caused so much grief
[11:14] <cata> hi
[11:14] <gigglefight> hello please kindly explain how to change display settings on xubuntu. I'm using vga cable. is it possible to change screen resolution 1360x768 or so... :)
[11:15] <cata> i recently attached a keyboard with volume up/down and mute keys and out of the box the keys worked as expected. However after a couple of hours, they stopped working.
[11:15] <TheSheep> gigglefight: try using xrandr
[11:15] <cata> can you give me a hint on which part/subsuystem of xfce manages volume keys and where to start debuggin?
[11:15] <gigglefight> from terminal; how to get xrandr
[11:15] <cata> +g
[11:16] <cata> i've read about some workarounds with xfce keybindings and amixer, but as it used to work for some time, i'd like to fix the broken thing that made it work
[11:16] <cata> i already tried restarting xfce4-volumed with no success
[11:16] <TheSheep> gigglefight: type 'xrandr'
[11:17] <cata> when attaching to xfce4-volumed with strace it doesn't react on keypresses
[11:17] <gigglefight> @TheSheep: thanks. :)
[11:17] <cata> however the keypresses are detected in xev
[11:20] <TheSheep> cata: I think there is a bug in xfce4-volumed, I just bound amixer to the media keys in the keyboard settings
[11:21] <cata> strange. i didn't do updates before it stopped working.
[11:21] <Sysi> take off/on numLock
[11:23] <gigglefight> @TheSheep: hello again; is it possible to increase the display resolution on xubuntu? i've tried xrandr
[11:24] <Sysi> what graphics card?
[11:24] <gigglefight> I'll check
[11:27] <gigglefight> @Sysi: I know this kinda sounds sad... How would I find my graphic card information. i'm a newbie.
[11:31] <Sterist> is there a way to revert to 10.04's Theme but stay on 10.10?
[11:32] <gigglefight> @Sysi: it's Intel  Graphics Controller
[11:32] <gigglefight> 82810
[11:33] <Sterist> FYI 40 updates available on Proposed right now
[11:34] <cata> Sysi: That fixed it. how weird is that?
[11:34] <gigglefight> with an Intel 82810 Graphics Controller, would that support a higher resolution or different display type? if so, how to go about adjusting the screen resolution, it's only given me the option for a 800x600 resolution.
[11:34] <Sysi> cata: not very :/
[11:34] <cata> i would have never figured that out by chance though. :)
[11:35] <Sysi> gigglefight: sounds a bit weird (hilight works better without @)
[11:35]  * cata toggles volume up and down like crazy
[11:36] <gigglefight> sysi: thanks.
[11:36] <Sysi> Sysi does the google
[11:36] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-426133.html
[13:20] <daira> Hello people, i just installed fresh xubuntu on my friends notebook and although the native resolution should be 1280x800 what i get is 1600x1200 with refresh rate 0hz. When i change resoultions the screen gets scrambled, and only on 1600x1200 it holds together although there is large part of screen invisible on right and bottom. any suggestions?
[13:21] <daira> just to mention that only on 1200x800 i can select 60hz but the screen gets scrambled like on any other ( i have tried them all)
[13:23] <gr8m8> daira: there should be something in the X log about what's going on there
[13:24] <daira> gr8m8, i will check the log
[13:28] <daira> gr8m8, can i kindly ask you to check the log @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/511621/ becouse my understanding of x is very low.
[13:28] <daira> thank you in advance
[13:40] <gr8m8> daira: sure :]
[13:40] <daira> thx
[13:44] <gr8m8> daira: line 171 suggests you might need to give the driver some options for the screen size in the config file
[13:45] <gr8m8> daira: line 250 doesn't look good
[13:47] <daira> not supported : )
[13:47] <daira> i am using 10.04 xubuntu, maybe an kernel update would help?
[13:48] <daira> fresh install
[13:48] <daira> with updates applied
[13:48] <gr8m8> daira: unichrome driver is maybe not the best but it is the right one for your card
[13:49] <gr8m8> it seems it needs you to give it alot of options in the config 'cause it can't figure it out for itself
[13:49] <daira> can i use some alternative? i remember in using puppy linux that there were some vesa and some other drivers that worked on almost every notebook
[13:49] <buffcns2> is xubuntu lighter than normal ubuntu?
[13:50] <buffcns2> I mean on cpu ram etc
[13:51] <gr8m8> daira: yep - you can set a xorg.conf and name vesa as the driver - google will help - but if you give all the options in a config the unichrome driver should work better
[13:51] <gr8m8> buffcns2: a little bit better - not so much lately
[13:53] <gr8m8> daira: there should be some posts about   unichrome xorg  out there
[13:53] <daira_> how should i do that, i think that i should use 1200x800 @ 60hz
[13:54] <buffcns2> gr8m8, thanks, that's kinda what i thought
[13:54] <daira_> if you dont know precisely i can google ofcourse and find out
[13:54] <gr8m8> daira_: you can use   sudo X -configure   to get a base xorg.conf from a tty after you stop X with   sudo service gdm stop
[13:54] <buffcns2> does xubuntu still use gdm for graphical login manager like normal ubuntu?
[13:55] <gr8m8> yep
[13:55] <buffcns2> cheers
[13:55] <gr8m8> np :]
[13:59] <sidh> Greetings
[14:00] <sidh> I would like to disable the graphical network manager in xubuntu (10.04 LTS), and use the old but reliable /etc/network/interfaces file
[14:00] <sidh> do you know how to do that ?
[14:02] <charlie-tca> a manual change in the file disables network manager control
[14:02] <sidh> GREAT
[14:03] <sidh> because, not having internet because of a Xorg problem (kernel update w/ nvidia drivers) , is quite awful and useless
[14:09] <daira> where is gr8m8 :)
[14:10] <charlie-tca> left the building?
[14:10] <charlie-tca> At least, left the channel
[14:13] <daira> can someone else help me from what i have written or do i have to start all over :)
[14:14] <daira> when i stopped x the screen was also scrambled
[14:14] <daira> so i couldnt run X -configure
[14:16] <daira> brb
[15:03] <NastX> Hi i have some a problem. I want to use xfce-notifyd for my system, but every time i try to install some kde applications, synaptic wants to remove xfce-notifyd - is there some work aorund?
[15:03] <NastX> *around
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Probably not. file a bug against the kde apps for doing that?
[15:04] <Sysi> install it back afterwards
[15:05] <NastX> Sysi, if i install it back it wants to remove ALL kde apps...
[15:05] <NastX> this keeps bugging me
[15:05] <Sysi> does synaptic use aptitude?
[15:05] <NastX> yes
[15:06] <Sysi> install it with apt-get
[15:06] <NastX> oh wait xD
[15:06] <NastX> synaptic uses apt sry...
[15:06] <ko2> does anyone know to install xvid codec on xubuntu 10.10?
[15:07] <Sysi> are you watching dvd rr file?
[15:07] <ko2> "rr" ?
[15:07] <Sysi> *or
[15:07] <Sysi> !dvd
[15:08] <Sysi> oh, same factoid for both
[15:14] <ko2> thanks. how about installing adobe flash player? i've the donload install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz
[15:14] <Sysi> xubuntu-restricted-extras also contains flash
[15:14] <vidd> has the official flash player been remoed from apt?
[15:14] <vidd> =]
[15:15] <charlie-tca> There is a flash installer in Synaptic Package Manager
[15:15] <charlie-tca> It automatically grabs it from adobe and installs it
[15:17] <ko2> @Sysi, sttill progress download
[15:17] <vidd> my gksu lock seams to be not working correctly
[15:18] <charlie-tca> huh? what is wrong with it?
[15:18] <vidd> it does not seam to want to take my password
[15:19] <vidd> but if i sudo synaptic, its just fine
[15:19] <charlie-tca> It should be accepting it, but it will be a blank instead of the dots now
[15:19] <jrmy> why is xchat logging me into the server twice?
[15:20] <charlie-tca> vidd: also, at least 10.04 and 10.10, you can't run update in terminal until the automatic run finishes.
[15:20] <vidd> charlie-tca, its showing dots...it just isnt taking the password
[15:20] <jrmy> answer me this, is xubuntu made to work on old computers?
[15:21] <charlie-tca> jrmy: not specifically
[15:21] <vidd> running in terminal is fine
[15:21] <vidd> the gksu seems broke
[15:21] <jrmy> then what is xubuntu made to work for? ubuntu is just fine
[15:22] <jrmy> the only difference between the 2 really is gnome and xfce
[15:22] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is made to run on any computer with enough cpu and ram. It is lighter in resources thatn Ubuntu.
[15:22] <vidd> jrmy, there are those that like to run lighter apps then the default ubuntu fair
[15:22] <charlie-tca> Haven't you asked this before?
[15:22] <jrmy> im wondering why xubuntu 10.10 wont work on either of my computers
[15:23] <vidd> whats the command to reinstall a package?
[15:23] <jrmy> yet  the live cd boots just fine on a 64 bit computer
[15:23] <jrmy> and the live cd is 32 bit
[15:23] <vidd> jrmy, try installing with an alt cd
[15:23] <charlie-tca> But you have asked the same question about xubuntu, haven't you?
[15:24] <jrmy> i have at least 256 MB of ram on both, the cd cannot boot on eiother of them
[15:24]  * vidd HATES the live cd install
[15:24] <charlie-tca> and you have received the same answer before
[15:24] <jrmy> im trying to figure out how rtetarded xubuntu 10.10 is
[15:25] <charlie-tca> That is starting to look like a troll
[15:25] <jrmy> if it cant seem to work on a computer that meets its requirements
[15:25] <vidd> IMO the live cd is for fixing broken systems, fixing/recovering data from windows computers, and seeing if you actually want the stuff before you install
[15:25] <Sysi> IMO livecd is great
[15:25] <charlie-tca> xubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu are not guaranteed to work on any particular system unless you purchase the computer with it pre-installed.
[15:25] <vidd> jrmy, you need more than 256 MB ram to run the live cd
[15:26] <jrmy> for 10.10?
[15:26] <jrmy> works fine for 10.04
[15:26] <Sysi> livecd and installed xubuntu have different system requirements
[15:26] <vidd> Sysi, i have alot of light-weight pc's....i need the garenteed install of the alt cd =]
[15:26] <Sysi> alternate install is slow
[15:27] <_maddy> hi
[15:27] <jrmy> ive installed 10.04 fine on both
[15:27] <vidd> Sysi, you have GOT to be kidding
[15:27] <Sysi> jrmy: keep that, LTS
[15:27] <jrmy> idk im annoyed at 10.10 especially cuase i cant get it working
[15:27] <vidd> jrmy, if you get 10.04 to work...why not just upgrade?
[15:27] <Sysi> vidd: honestly, i don't
[15:28] <jrmy> i upgraded and...
[15:28] <Sysi> for my experience, alternate installer is slower
[15:28] <charlie-tca> !hi | _maddy
[15:28] <Sysi> jrmy: just use the LTS?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> I agree. Alternate install is slower than desktop install run side-by-side
[15:29] <_maddy> which program you guys recommend for torrents?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> transmission is the default
[15:29] <jrmy> client?
[15:30] <jrmy> no way to downgrade back to 10.04 is there?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> !downgrade
[15:31] <charlie-tca> Doesn't look like it
[15:31] <cody-somerville> jrmy, What problem are you having?
[15:32] <jrmy> X and 10.10 is my problem
[15:32] <vidd> Sysi, charlie-tca perhaps i should revisit the live cd install for 10.10. prior versions were not to my liking..perhaps im just biased?
[15:32] <cody-somerville> jrmy, Could you elaborate?
[15:32] <vidd> jrmy, your x server keep crashing?
[15:32] <jrmy> it will not start
[15:32] <jrmy> and people have tried to help
[15:32] <Sysi> vidd: for 10.10 they've removed some features, but also add some
[15:33] <vidd> so you get the log-in screen?
[15:33] <jrmy> i dont know how to configure X, im to much of a noob
[15:33] <vidd> or does it fail prior to log-in screen?
[15:33] <jrmy> i boot the kernel does the check right before the login screen and.. nothing
[15:33] <charlie-tca> vidd: Actually, the live installer now takes away most of your choices. You won't like it
[15:34] <jrmy> screen black and unresponsive
[15:34] <vidd> jrmy, when it gets like that, can you hit [ctrl][alt][f1]?
[15:34] <jrmy> my X log shows that it is unable to find a proper screen
[15:35] <jrmy> vidd: "unresponsive"
[15:35] <vidd> jrmy, do you have multiple video output?
[15:36] <jrmy> my computer is a laptop gateway solo 1450 with an intel 83something and has a vga output
[15:36] <vidd> im assuming you are looking at the laptop screen
[15:37] <jrmy> 82830 CGC
[15:37] <jrmy> no im using my desktop
[15:37] <vidd> |0-<
[15:37] <vidd> on the system with the issue....
[15:38] <vidd> you are looking at the laptop screen and not an external monitor
[15:38] <jrmy> yes
[15:38] <jrmy> ive tried both
[15:39] <jrmy> i really wish i could show you the Xorg.0.log
[15:39] <cody-somerville> try running: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:39] <vidd> and you have succefully installed 10.4 on this laptop without issue?
[15:39] <jrmy> well besides some flickering in tty yes
[15:40] <vidd> I had similar issues with a specific laptop in a previous version....
[15:40] <jrmy> not completely compatible with the kernel screen resolution it chooses for that but it works non ethe less and X works just fine
[15:41] <jrmy> or at least i assume it is screen res
[15:42] <jrmy> is there by any chance i can copy all of the Xorg.0.log file on the laptop using tty mode?
[15:42] <jrmy> a way*
[15:42] <jrmy> and shubmitting it on pastebin
[15:43] <jrmy> or an equivalent
[15:43] <vidd> so you CAN get into tty on the laptop
[15:43] <jrmy> yes.. X is the issue
[15:44] <vidd> when i asked, you said it was unresponsive =\
[15:44] <jrmy> by default it boots into X
[15:44] <vidd> in tty run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:44] <jrmy> only way i can get to tty without editing the command or whatever in grub is by recovery mode
[15:45] <jrmy> sure
[15:46] <vidd> jrmy, did you install 10.10 by live cd, alt cd, or upgrade?
[15:47] <jrmy> upgrade
[15:47] <jrmy> i used the copmmand then startx and nothing once again
[15:48] <vidd> just for S&G select an older kernal version in grub
[15:48] <vidd> and you cant "startx" in recovery mode (unless i am mistaken)
[15:48] <jrmy> im very sure the log file is pertinent to my issue
[15:49] <vidd> im sure it is too....
[15:49] <vidd> but to get it, we need access to the full system
[15:49] <jrmy> old kernel cant start x either its what file shave been replaced by 10.10
[15:49] <jrmy> files have*
[15:49] <vidd> i dont need x to start
[15:49] <jrmy> the old ones worked
[15:50] <jrmy> perhaps if i knew which ones to keep when upgrading i would of done so
[15:51] <_maddy> can't you do a fresh install from a cd?
[15:51] <vidd> ???
[15:51] <jrmy> however with the older kernel it doesnt bring the screen black
[15:52] <jrmy> but none the less i cant startx
[15:52] <vidd> so an older version kernael gets you up?
[15:52] <vidd> you can get to a tty without being in recovery mode?
[15:52] <jrmy> yes
[15:52] <vidd> good
[15:53] <vidd> in that version, run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[15:53] <vidd> tell me what happens
[15:54] <jrmy> 0 for upgrade, install, and remove
[15:54] <vidd> ok...
[15:54] <vidd> now run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:55] <jrmy> now what?
[15:55] <vidd> follow the steps on the screen
[15:55] <jrmy> there is nothing
[15:55] <vidd> it will try to fix your x server
[15:56] <vidd> just another prompt?
[15:56] <jrmy> it just does it and goes to the command entry again
[15:57] <vidd> type "lspci"
[15:57] <vidd> what vedio cards does this system have?
[15:58] <jrmy> i tolf you once already
[15:59] <vidd> you did NOT tell me the card chipset output from lspci
[15:59] <jrmy> an intel 82830 CGC
[15:59] <vidd> you dont have 2?
[15:59] <jrmy> well i had said so before
[16:00] <jrmy> both the vga port and my lvsd screen use it
[16:00] <jrmy> i think its called lvsd
[16:00] <vidd> there should be "VGA compatible controller" and "Display controller"
[16:00] <jrmy> right
[16:01] <jrmy> i'll use the command again
[16:01] <vidd> please tell me the entire information including the (rev#)
[16:02] <jrmy> only thing more you get is rev 04 for the vga
[16:02] <jrmy> no rev for the lvsd/ display controller
[16:02] <jrmy> same ship
[16:03] <jrmy> chip*
[16:03] <jrmy> one is 2 other is 2.1 for the positioning or whatever its called
[16:03] <vidd> if its an intel chip, it should say something like 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[16:04] <jrmy> in lsmod its says something more about that
[16:04] <jrmy> get rid of the part after the colon and rep[lace the 2 witrh a four and basically
[16:05] <jrmy> so i have to type out word for word seriously?
[16:05] <jrmy> when you should already know
[16:06] <vidd> how should i already know?
[16:06] <vidd> im not there looking at your screen
[16:06] <vidd> anyway....
[16:07] <jrmy> 00:02.0 vga compatible controller: intel corporation 82830 CGC [chipset graphics controller] (rev 04)
[16:07] <vidd> set your kernel boot parameters to "Safe Graphics Mode"
[16:07] <jrmy> 00:02.0 display controller: intel corporation 82830 CGC [chipset graphics controller]
[16:07] <vidd> also, try disabling kernel mode setting
[16:08] <jrmy> whoops .1*
[16:08] <jrmy> 00.02.1 should be for display
[16:09] <jrmy> i donty know how to disable kernel mode
[16:09] <vidd> i figured that
[16:09] <jrmy> nmor do i know how to boot in safe graphics mode
[16:09] <jrmy> nor*
[16:09] <vidd> check out http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2010/02/intel-82830-cgc-830m-graphics.html
[16:09] <jrmy> one sec
[16:10] <vidd> step-by-step instructions for disabling kernel mode
[16:10] <_maddy> any idea why Transmission gives error "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." but still the download works?
[16:11] <jrmy>  
[16:11] <jrmy> -+
[16:11] <jrmy> sorry i dropped my keyboard
[16:12] <jrmy> anyways i have to take someone to work on short notice
[16:12] <vidd> jrmy, near the middle of his post there is info about editing grub....that is what you want
[16:12] <jrmy> i opened the link vidd
[16:12] <jrmy> and ok
[16:12] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: what were you talking about?
[16:12] <vidd> !hi | maxamillion
[16:13] <maxamillion> vidd: hello
[16:13] <maxamillion> vidd: long time no see
[16:13] <vidd> ive been busy
[16:13] <maxamillion> ha! did you really just shoot me a bot message :P
[16:13] <cody-somerville> lol
[16:13] <jrmy> ah, ive disabled kernel before
[16:13] <jrmy> doesnt work
[16:13] <vidd> work's been a nightmare....kid just started kindergarden
[16:13] <jrmy> bbl vidd
[16:14] <maxamillion> vidd: oh wow
[16:15] <vidd> my oldest is having my second grandchild next month
[16:17] <maxamillion> vidd: congrats!
[16:17] <vidd> you only say that cuzz you dont know her might-as-well-be-husband
[16:18] <maxamillion> vidd: ah, I do not ...
[16:18] <vidd> =]
[16:19] <vidd> but this is a help chat for computer issues....
[16:19] <maxamillion> vidd: rgr that
[16:19] <vidd> where throwing the problem out the fortyith  story window onto an empty parking lot does NOT get you a jail term
[16:20] <vidd> =]
[16:20] <maxamillion> lol
[16:41] <vidd> do we know when/if the xterm issue will be fixed?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> It is already in proposes for testing
[16:42] <vidd> so....a week or less?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> I think we will see the fix within a week at the most
[16:43] <vidd> i hope so
[16:43] <vidd> i like using nano to edit config files
[16:43] <charlie-tca> me too. That bug is getting a LOT of dups
[16:43] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:43] <charlie-tca> I just add gedit to my desktop
[16:44] <Sysi> switch to other terminal emulator for while
[16:44] <vidd> mousepad does the trick...but its ANNOYING!
[16:44] <charlie-tca> They did fix terminator differently
[16:44] <charlie-tca> but it was the same bug. The fix this time will be in VTE, which will fix everything
[16:45] <vidd> i hope it happens soon....
[16:45] <vidd> i have 5 machines in need
[16:45] <vidd> an two more waiting to upgrade
[16:46] <jrmy> ok im back
[16:46] <vidd> jrmy, on that page i sent you the link to....
[16:46] <jrmy> so you want me yto boot 10.10 anbd do safe graphics?
[16:47] <jrmy> as in the live cd
[16:47] <vidd> yes
[16:47] <vidd> not nesisarrily the live cd....
[16:47] <jrmy> explain otherwise how i do this?
[16:47] <jrmy> -?
[16:47] <vidd> follow the instructions to have grub boot your system into safe grafix mode
[16:47] <jrmy> it says to push F4 then boot
[16:48] <vidd> look further down the page
[16:48] <jrmy> next step try ubuntu without installing
[16:48] <vidd> further down
[16:48] <vidd> way further
[16:49] <jrmy> ok where?
[16:49] <vidd> where it talks about grub
[16:49] <jrmy> safe graphics still correect?
[16:49] <vidd> right...but set grub
[16:50] <jrmy> ok so setting grub to do safe graphics
[16:50] <vidd> right
[16:50] <vidd> and where it says "gedit" use "nano" since you dont have a grafic environment to work in
[16:51] <jrmy> explain
[16:51] <jrmy> cause youre not making sense
[16:51] <jrmy> none of that mentions "safe graphics mode"
[16:51] <vidd> there are steps like "open gedit"
[16:52] <vidd> you cant open gedit because your xserver wont load
[16:52] <jrmy> it talks about disabling kernel mode..
[16:52] <jrmy> make yourself clear
[16:52] <vidd> so you have to open the files in a cli text editor like nano
[16:53] <jrmy> !nano
[16:53] <vidd> READ THE PAGE
[16:53] <jrmy> i have
[16:53] <jrmy> i dont see hwat youre talking about
[16:54] <jrmy> i915.modeset=0 does not work i repeat a second time
[16:54] <jrmy> err once
[16:55] <jrmy> is this your "safe grahpics mode"?
[16:55] <jrmy> safe graphics mode = i915.modeste=0?
[16:55] <jrmy> modeset*
[16:56] <jrmy> i said this before i left
[16:56] <jrmy> that it didnt work
[16:56] <jrmy> i hate going through these steps again
[16:57] <jrmy> if they didnt work the first time in grub why will it work with nano?
[16:57] <jrmy> are they essentially the same?
[16:57] <vidd> add this to your grub entry:
[16:57] <vidd> i915.modeset=0 nomodeset
[16:59] <jrmy> ctrl alt F7 aka X is stuck on the pre boot screen
[16:59] <jrmy> but im in tty mode firstly
[17:00] <ovrflw0x> i installed 10.10 on sony vaio vgc-fw12 brightness Fn keys don't work!
[17:00] <ovrflw0x> vgn*-fw12
[17:00] <jrmy> aka the screen that has the asterisks and says stuff that it loads for X or at least i assume its loading for X
[17:00] <jrmy> sound and battery are in this screen
[17:02] <ovrflw0x> anybody?
[17:02] <jrmy> i believe you can make them work again by customiing them
[17:02] <jrmy> customiing them*
[17:02] <ovrflw0x> from where?
[17:02] <jrmy> i dont know if it is the same as 10.04 however
[17:03] <vidd> jrmy, you have a login screen? or a prompt for safe grafix mode?
[17:03] <jrmy> i cant get X to boot on mine
[17:03] <jrmy> none of these vidd
[17:03] <jrmy> just tty
[17:04] <jrmy> vidd more then likely if i try startx it'll go black again
[17:04] <vidd> worse come to worse you can always remove/purge x11-common (and all grfical stuff dependant thereon) and reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[17:04] <jrmy> if i could reinstall xubuntu-desktop from 10.04 it would
[17:04] <vidd> why are you typing startx?
[17:04] <jrmy> lol
[17:05] <jrmy> starts x does it not?
[17:05] <vidd> i dont believe so
[17:05] <ovrflw0x> vidd, how to make this Fn keys work man i can't lower the freakin brightness
[17:05] <jrmy> !startx
[17:05] <vidd> ovrflw0x, dunno
[17:06] <jrmy> does fn down and up work?
[17:06] <jrmy> thats how it worked for me
[17:06] <vidd> jrmy, i restart x by sending the command "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[17:08] <jrmy> well idk
[17:08] <jrmy> want to see the log yet?
[17:08] <jrmy> Xor.0.log
[17:09] <jrmy> xorg*
[17:09] <jrmy> i wish i knew commands casue i could probably fix it myself
[17:09] <jrmy> but who knows if i even know the issue
[17:09] <vidd> can you upload them now?
[17:10] <jrmy> upload the log?
[17:10] <vidd> ye
[17:10] <vidd> s
[17:10] <jrmy> as in to a pastebin or show them on my screen
[17:10] <vidd> into a pastebin
[17:11] <jrmy> i can less /var/log/Xorg.0.log but i dont know how to put it on a pastebin from this computer
[17:11] <jrmy> there is no way im going to type everything out onto this computer that im talking with
[17:12] <vidd> does the computer you are currently on have an ftp or openssh server on it?
[17:12] <jrmy> it had ssh but i dont know about the server part
[17:12] <vidd> actually, you would want the openssh server on the problem computer
[17:12] <jrmy> i used it to connect to the one im on now but not the other
[17:13] <jrmy> but i suppose i could sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[17:13] <vidd> on the broke machine, type "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[17:13] <jrmy> however knowing how to get the rsa code is another story
[17:14] <jrmy> ok it already is
[17:14] <vidd> with ssh server on the broken machine, you can remote into the broke machine, display the contents of the log file, highlight, copy, paste to pastebin from good computer
[17:15] <jrmy> ahead of you already
[17:15] <jrmy> lol
[17:16] <vidd> spelling it out for others who may read this later with similar issues
[17:16] <jrmy> im just suprised i didnt hink about this before
[17:16] <vidd> when you asked if i wanted to read the log file, i had assumed you already did this =]
[17:17] <jrmy> lol
[17:17] <jrmy> nope
[17:17] <jrmy> im learning
[17:18] <vidd> its what i get for assuming
[17:18] <vidd> =]
[17:18] <jrmy> anyways the important stuff will be past the modes on the bottom
[17:18] <jrmy> http://paste2.org/p/1033795
[17:18] <jrmy> or at least i assume
[17:18] <vidd> having log files is always better than not having log files =\
[17:19] <jrmy> i dont know what is and isnt so important in the log file
[17:20] <vidd> xorg is looking for /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[17:21] <vidd> and /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic
[17:21] <jrmy> neither exist i assume
[17:22] <jrmy> brb
[17:23] <vidd> is this a 64-bit system or a 32-bit system?
[17:23] <jrmy> back
[17:24] <jrmy> 32
[17:24] <jrmy> i havent had a new computer since liek 99 i think
[17:24] <vidd> not the version you put on...but the processor
[17:24] <vidd> kk
[17:24] <jrmy> laptop was from the same year i believe
[17:24] <jrmy> which i got for free recently
[17:25] <vidd> found the issue
[17:25] <jrmy> good
[17:25] <jrmy> so was i correct with the log file being pertinent?
[17:26] <vidd> xorg is trying to set resolution to 640x480 and your monitor does not support that mode
[17:26] <vidd> Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
[17:26] <jrmy> right
[17:26] <jrmy> ive been wanting to know how to fix that
[17:27] <vidd> let me do some research real quick
[17:27] <jrmy>    k
[17:28] <vidd> sudo Xorg -configure
[17:29] <vidd> jrmy, you may need to kill your xserver to run that
[17:30] <jrmy> i'll paste2 what it says
[17:30] <jrmy> http://paste2.org/p/1033811
[17:31] <vidd> jrmy, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[17:31] <vidd> for now, choose vesa
[17:33] <jrmy> what?
[17:33] <jrmy> ah, ok
[17:34]  * jrmy asked ubottu
[17:34] <jrmy> ok so use vesa
[17:35] <vidd> once the new xorg config file is set, reboot and take out the adjustments to the grub entry
[17:36] <jrmy> as in i915.modeset blah blah blah?
[17:36] <jrmy> im still reading btw
[17:36] <vidd> yes
[17:36] <jrmy> well xrandr is useless since x wont initiate but i know my monitor can use 1024 by 768 which is what i liek using anyways
[17:37] <jrmy> so yeah
[17:38] <vidd> its not "useless" just "currently not available"
[17:38] <vidd> once we get x to load, then we use xrandr to fix it up
[17:43] <jrmy> well the manual for xorg.conf is a bit overwhelming
[17:43] <jrmy> nor do i know what most of it means
[17:43] <jrmy> cant i just use nano to write it?
[17:43] <jrmy> why do they make it so complicated?
[17:44] <jrmy> perhaps i'd rather have things indexed
[17:44] <vidd> if you know where to put it, then yes, you can use nano to write it
[17:44] <Sysi> (thanks for talking about that i915.modeset=0 i fixed one error in my system with that)
[17:44] <jrmy> indexing makes things easier for me i believe
[17:44] <vidd> but if you set some settings incorrectly, you can cause physical damage to your monitor
[17:45] <jrmy> well physical damage wouldnt be good no
[17:45] <vidd> Sysi, no problem...please pay at the door =]
[17:45] <jrmy> heh
[17:46] <jrmy> well im close to fixing it i assume.. yet it seems like a big leap
[17:46] <vidd> Sysi, your fee is three helpful instructions =]
[17:47] <Sysi> about? :)
[17:47] <vidd> anything you can help with
[17:48] <jrmy> if i saved the newly written config file as /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d then i assume the system will find it and if i wrote it correctly X will work
[17:48] <vidd> from the help ive recieved over the years, i only have 749,613 instructions left to go =]
[17:48] <jrmy> however it also depends if it lets me overwrite it
[17:48] <vidd> jrmy, no...you dont want to overwrite the .d.....
[17:49] <vidd> that is an app
[17:49] <jrmy> .d is default?
[17:49] <vidd> no..its what makes xorg work
[17:49] <jrmy> once again something else i dont understand
[17:49] <vidd> you should save it as xorg.conf
[17:49] <jrmy> can i edit said app?
[17:49] <jrmy> oh
[17:49] <jrmy> well ok
[17:50] <jrmy> same directory?
[17:50] <jrmy> and will it know to find it?
[17:50] <vidd> it should
[17:51] <knome> /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[17:51] <vidd> the ".d" indicates its a deamon
[17:51] <jrmy> or do i use /home/jrmy/xorg.conf.new?
[17:51] <vidd> knome, tyvery much
[17:51] <vidd> jrmy, /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[17:51] <knome> np
[17:52] <vidd> knome, btw...awesome artwork this release
[17:52] <jrmy> so overwrite this file if it exists
[17:52] <knome> vidd, good to hear you like
[17:52] <knome> +it
[17:52] <knome> vidd, and thanks
[17:52] <vidd> overwrite /etc/X11/Xorg.conf if it exists
[17:52] <vidd> most likely it does not
[17:53] <jrmy> ok now i just need to know what to write
[17:53] <vidd> it is important that you set the path correctly
[17:53] <jrmy> heh
[17:53] <jrmy> how do i "save as" with nano?
[17:53] <judgen> jrmy, how much video ram does the system tell you that you have on that laptop?
[17:53] <vidd> [ctrl] [x]
[17:53] <jrmy> in bios it says *MB
[17:53] <vidd> then correct the path
[17:54] <jrmy> ctrl x exits nano
[17:54] <jrmy> 8*
[17:54] <vidd> yes...and when it exits it prompts to save
[17:54] <knome> jrmy, ctrl+O (save) asks for path
[17:54] <vidd> you can accept the stated path, or change it
[17:54] <jrmy> judgen: how do i check for video ram otherwise?
[17:54] <judgen> Bios does not matter in this equation. Your laptop is very well documented with a buggy bios if it is newer than 30.* and it only makes 1mb available to Linux and other OS'es (except windows wich can use the full 8 mb)
[17:55] <jrmy> lsmod?
[17:55] <jrmy> then video
[17:55] <jrmy> er modinfo video
[17:55] <jrmy> or just modinfo video
[17:56] <judgen> lspci
[17:56] <judgen> then see what number your gfx card has
[17:56] <jrmy> 00:02.0 and 00:02.1
[17:56] <jrmy> yes?
[17:56] <judgen> then this is my example "lspci -v -s 00:02.0"
[17:56] <jrmy> or is it the rev #
[17:57] <jrmy> ok
[17:57] <jrmy> so do i want the display controller or the vga controller?
[17:57] <judgen> vga should be the one
[17:58] <vidd> jrmy, that is the 00:02:0
[17:58] <jrmy> yeah 00.02.1 didnt work anyways
[17:59] <vidd> pastebin the results
[17:59] <judgen> ok
[18:00] <judgen> you should have 512kb non-prefetchable and 7,5-8mb with prefetchable video ram
[18:00] <judgen> if your bios works properly
[18:01] <jrmy> http://paste2.org/p/1033850 used -v and -s with the command and got this
[18:01] <jrmy> my biso version is 36.00.16 i believe
[18:01] <jrmy> which apparently is the older one
[18:02] <judgen> good =D
[18:02] <vidd> jrmy, you have your xorg set up now?
[18:02] <jrmy> verdict?
[18:02] <jrmy> no
[18:02] <jrmy> i dont know how entirely
[18:03] <jrmy> i know i can use nano and i need certain info but how to write it in the language it reads is above my head
[18:04] <jrmy> so what does it say my vram is?
[18:04] <jrmy> i dont know how to read it
[18:05] <jrmy> ok well i have to go get food now.. im hungry so bbiab
[18:05] <judgen> ok this question must be silly, but i have missed some of the conversation.. Have you installed the intel 915 drivers, deleted the xorg.conf and ran a "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh" ?
[19:46] <jrmy> i am back
[19:52] <jrmy> judgen: no i havent installed any drivers
[19:52] <jrmy> there is drivers i can install?
[19:52] <jrmy> im suprised no one has said anything
[19:53] <jrmy> if that fixes it then derp
[19:53] <jrmy> anyone here?
[20:10] <jrmy> apparently it didnt work judgen when i tired remobing the module then getting the drivers
[20:17] <DBeets> !LTS
[20:17] <DBeets> !lucid
[20:17] <Sysi> !investigation
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Update is out for TERM issue. Just need to run updates
[20:24] <Sysi> wohou
[20:28] <TheSheep> yay
[20:28] <kaolbrec> \o/
[20:30] <TheSheep> an advantage of the dumb terminal: debconf won't block updates with its silly dialogs :D
[20:42] <jrmy> i dont want physical damage to my laptops video chip so im probably not going to be writing a Xorg.conf anytime soon
[21:14] <spy6> hi there
[21:15] <charlie-tca> !hi | spy6
[21:15] <spy6> anyhow the theming of the panels got lost on update
[21:15] <spy6> any idea hot to reset them to default?
[21:15] <spy6> s/hot/how/
[21:19] <charlie-tca> !panels
[21:19] <charlie-tca> The community page tells how to reset them completely
[21:25] <spy6> charlie-tca: thanks
[21:25] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:36] <spy6> hmm .. i guess there is any theming missing
[21:37] <spy6> "/etc/xdg/xfce4/panel" is just the xfce default, but not the xubuntu defaults
[21:37] <charlie-tca> That is where xubuntu gets its default panel
[21:39] <spy6> hmmm
[21:45] <spy6> okay ... how to recover the theme shown at xubuntu.org? :)
[21:47] <spy6> is that theme "albatros"?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> change you theme in Applications -> Settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Appearance to albatross, then change
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Window Manager theme to albatross
[21:48] <mark76> Which version of Xubuntu?
[21:48] <mark76> It's Bluebird in 10.10
[21:48] <charlie-tca> 10.04 and 10.10
[21:49] <mark76> Albatross is so last year :p
[21:49] <charlie-tca> mark76: the theme shown at http://xubuntu.org is albatross
[21:51] <mark76> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tuxmachines.org/images/xubuntu-10.10-screenshot-theme.png&imgrefurl=http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/47566&usg=__dqnwqmP2NWqBJHhqjS5M5M1SLLA=&h=301&w=400&sz=117&hl=en&start=3&sig2=a0KlNixZ7xpL-PxBaWJgRw&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=DuMpTIzcf8vVuM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DXubuntu%2B10.10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=JMq0TJi-OYnN
[21:51] <mark76> 4gb4ne2fDQ
[21:51] <mark76> Dear God!
[21:51] <mark76> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/47566
[21:55] <mark76> Much nicer :)
[21:55] <Makdaam> hello
[21:55] <Makdaam> I've got a problem with my Intel i915 + ATI Mobility Radeon combo
[21:58] <mark76> Is it an Xfce4 problem, Makdaam?
[21:59] <mark76> Hey jrmy
[22:00] <Makdaam> nope
[22:00] <Makdaam> :)
[22:00] <Makdaam> but there's noone on #ubuntu that would help me
[22:01] <Makdaam> it's probably X related or driver/kernel related
[22:01] <Wizard> hi
[22:01] <Wizard> I have unusual problem :D
[22:01] <Makdaam> BTW where's xorg.conf in 10.04?
[22:01] <spy6> hmmm....
[22:02] <spy6> makdaam: maybe you haven't one
[22:02] <mark76> Yeah. Trying to get help in the Ubuntu room can be a bit like shouting into the wind at times
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Normally there is no xorg.conf anymore
[22:02] <spy6> in this case its generated on the fly
[22:02] <Wizard> i've found a song, most of it is in polish, last verse is in some romance language
[22:02] <Wizard> any spaniards, portuguese, romanians, moldovans, italians here? :D
[22:02] <Makdaam> how do I dump it into a file?
[22:02] <mark76> :/
[22:03] <spy6> hmm ... my menu is grey .. the rest of my workspace is black .. did i miss anything related to the menu?
[22:03] <Makdaam> Wizard: try unilang
[22:03] <Wizard> i don't have proper lyrics
[22:03] <jrmy> hey mark76
[22:04] <Wizard> i have only a link to song
[22:04] <Wizard> ;P
[22:04] <Wizard> i don't even know where to look for help
[22:04] <mark76> Berlitz?
[22:04] <charlie-tca> spy6: you changed both window manager and appearance themes to albatross?
[22:06] <Makdaam> Wizard, I'd try unilang :) it's a forum centred on languages...
[22:07] <Wizard> k, i'll try
[22:07] <Wizard> hmm #romanian exists
[22:31] <Makdaam> heh, problem solved
[22:31] <Wizard> yup
[22:31] <Makdaam> HP not only makes lousy PCs, has incompetent tech support, but also lies about laptop specs
[22:32] <Wizard> and probably messes acpi
[22:32] <Makdaam> I got a sigsegv in glxgears/glxinfo and anything OpenGL related because Mesa tried to use the ATI Radeon... which is not a part of this laptop
[22:34] <Wizard> :)
[22:35] <Wizard> kewl
[23:05] <xubuntu116> hola
[23:05] <xubuntu116> hola
[23:05] <xubuntu116> hola
[23:06] <xubuntu116> que hay
[23:06] <charlie-tca> !english
[23:06] <xubuntu116> only english?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:06] <xubuntu116> why?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> There are other channels that are language specific
[23:07] <vidd> !es
[23:07] <xubuntu116> ok
[23:07] <xubuntu116> thnaks
[23:07] <vidd> de nada
[23:09] <vidd> i hope he(?) was looking for spanish =]
[23:15] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:15] <charlie-tca> apparently, he did not want english, huh?
[23:17] <vidd> most like his english is sketchy