[07:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nice
[07:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how about error handling? :P
[10:01] <MiMe> What is the minimum requirements to join the development team?
[10:59] <persia> So, an annoying bug was discovered for all preinstalled omap4 installs: specifically there is a "software channel" for the software centre enabled to connect to a special vendor PPA that expects universe to be enabled, but universe isn't enabled.
[10:59] <persia> Is this bug likely to even be user-visible for Kubuntu?
[11:01] <Riddell> persia: well no, we don't use Software Centre
[11:08] <persia> Riddell, I didn't think so: just wanted to confirm.  Does KPK use software channels at all?
[11:16] <Riddell> it uses /usr/share/app-install/categories.xml
[11:16] <Riddell> not sure if it uses any others like that
[11:17] <persia> No, that's sufficiently different that the Kubuntu images won't be affected.
[11:17] <Riddell> kpackagekit uses its own desktop.db file which is made from app-install-data
[11:18] <persia> If someone adds extra channels (like app-install-data-partner), do those show there as well?
[11:37] <Riddell> cor, nothing but good comments for Kubuntu on the Ubuntu 10.10 article on slashdot
[11:37] <Riddell> we rock
[11:40] <nigelb> Riddell: +1 to that :)
[11:40] <apachelogger> so
[11:40] <apachelogger> ...
[11:41] <apachelogger> at installation I ticked the box "install the stuff I need to play me mp3s"
[11:41] <apachelogger> now I fire up rekonq
[11:41] <apachelogger> and notification pops up to install stuff
[11:41]  * nigelb hopes to have kubuntu maverick on laptop tonight :)
[11:41] <apachelogger> I say install and it offers Video Encoding and MP3 Encoding
[11:42] <apachelogger> and that my dear friends is why those big categories for missing stuff just don't work out
[11:42] <persia> apachelogger, kubuntu-restricted-addons only has decoders, not encoders.  You may need to filter some of the autocodec searchers.
[11:42] <apachelogger> there is no search going on
[11:43] <apachelogger> the apps that require stuff call the kubuntu notification helper
[11:43] <apachelogger> *with* the thing they would like to have
[11:43] <apachelogger> and the notification helper then puts all that foo into a category and recommends installing that category
[11:44] <apachelogger> so rekonq supposedly wants flash -> asks notification helper -> helper looks up flash -> flash is in multimedia category -> helper asks user to install all the stuff that is in the multimedia category
[11:44] <nigelb> yuck
[11:44] <apachelogger> in my case those are 2 completely and utterly unrelated things to rekonq
[11:48] <Riddell> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-mostly-linux-stuff-10006480/kubuntu-on-netbooks-10020749/  nice review, guy seems curiously impressed by compositing effects
[12:07] <Riddell> agateau: do we need a session at UDS for Kubuntu and DX?
[12:08] <agateau> Riddell: don't think so
[12:08] <agateau> Riddell: except if you want to discuss the c.a fiasco
[12:10] <Riddell> c.a fiasco?
[12:26] <agateau> Riddell: dbusmenu-qt copyright assignment... :/
[12:27] <Riddell> oh aye
[12:28] <Riddell> agateau: there's problems with the copyright assignment, I don't know if there's any chance of them getting fixed though, I might ask rick if he thinks it would be worth having a session about that
[12:29] <agateau> Riddell: I was ranting, I don't think there is a need for a session on the subject
[12:30] <Riddell> we may as well try
[12:33]  * apachelogger is sitting in the most boring lecture like ever
[13:25] <Riddell> specs registered https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty
[13:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: who from ubuntu one should I subscribe to the appdevs-kubuntu-n-ubuntu-one spec?
[13:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: better ask in #ubuntuone who is interested I suppose
[14:03] <Riddell> rbelem: pnig
[14:03] <Riddell> whatever a pnig is
[14:03] <rbelem> Riddell, :-D
[14:04] <Riddell> you're not on the confirmed list for UDS, you need to contact jcastro to confirm if you're going
[14:04] <rbelem> Riddell, ok! I will ping him ;-)
[14:05] <rbelem> thx :-)
[14:08] <rbelem> Riddell, done :-)
[14:27] <Quintasan_Droid> Wth
[14:27] <Quintasan_Droid> Update broke my nVidia driver
[14:28] <Quintasan_Droid> not update to maverick but a typical apt-get update and upgrade
[14:40] <rbelem> Quintasan_Droid, to fix that, just apt-get install --install nvidia-current
[14:40] <rbelem> i experienced this issue too after upgrading
[14:45] <Quintasan_Droid> rbelem: thanks
[14:45] <Quintasan_Droid> Maybe you also know solution to this
[14:47] <Quintasan_Droid> Whenever I restart my PC using the buttons on the box itself my monitor claims to have no input signal, it flashes through digital and analog input. Usually I power it off, wait for few minutes and it works but wating is getting annoying
[14:48] <Quintasan_Droid> I have no idea what might be the issue, I 'm pretty sure cables are undamaged
[14:49] <Quintasan_Droid> Maybe Trouble came here and is sitting on my cables?
[14:49] <Quintasan_Droid> :P
[14:49]  * Trouble gets off Quintasan's cables
[14:50] <Trouble> I should lose weight
[14:50] <Quintasan_Droid> Just what did I do to experience so damn annoying things
[14:50] <alvin> Quintasan_Droid: It might be bug 626974
[14:51] <alvin> Quintasan_Droid: What's the model of your card?
[14:51] <Quintasan_Droid> alvin: well, let me first somehow get my monitor working, GeForce. GTX 250
[14:51] <Quintasan_Droid> Or something along these lines
[14:52] <alvin> Then it's not this bug.
[14:54] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1185492 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DownloadModel/DownloadDelegate.cpp Space text a little so that it isn't painted right on the border
[14:54] <Quintasan_Droid> What the heck is wrong with my monitor
[14:55] <Quintasan_Droid> It was working normally few weeks ago?
[15:01] <rbelem> Quintasan_Droid, no idea, maybe the problem is with the video card
[15:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, try it on another pc
[15:02] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1185494 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/PackageModel/PackageWidget.h SVN_SILENT: Include fixes
[15:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh yes, error handling, but theres a small issue with that patch right now, when i type / in rekonq urlbar, it doest start file browsing mode, idk if thats a issue with my system  or the patch itself :D
[15:31] <shadeslayer> valorie: i feel your pain ... thats why i keep all my data on /Data :P
[15:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/L0JpbQu9
[15:48] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1185507 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (6 files in 3 dirs) Move the header code an searchbar code into PackageWidget. This way we don't have to add widgets from subclasses, and can use KVBox again. The splitter sizes are now proper.
[15:57] <Riddell> rickspencer3: hola, are you able to approve specs for UDS?
[15:57] <rickspencer3> Riddell, I guess so, yeah
[15:58] <rickspencer3> Riddell, wanna paste me some links, I'll go ahead and approve for you
[15:58] <Riddell> rickspencer3: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty these ones please
[15:59] <rickspencer3> just approve all of them?
[16:00] <Riddell> rickspencer3: yes please
[16:00] <Riddell> rickspencer3: well not approve, accept for UDS-N
[16:00] <rickspencer3> done
[16:00] <Riddell> rickspencer3: thanks
[16:01] <Riddell> rickspencer3: is there any point in having a discussion about the contributor agreement at UDS?
[16:01] <rickspencer3> Riddell, hmmm
[16:01] <rickspencer3> depends on the content and context, I suppos
[16:01] <rickspencer3> e
[16:02] <Riddell> seeing if it can be changed to make it acceptable to people who currently have specific objections
[16:03] <rickspencer3> Riddell, I would talk to sabdfl and amanda about it
[16:03] <rickspencer3> Riddell, fwiw, I just asked jono to give you all the powers in LP that you will need to manage Kubuntu blueprints, scheduling, etc...
[16:03]  * rickspencer3 hands keys to Riddel
[16:04] <Riddell> agateau: do you need a session with Qt people about getting dbusmenu into Qt?
[16:05] <agateau> Riddell: could be useful, but I think there will be a canonical-nokia private meeting
[16:06] <agateau> Riddell: err, should have said "could be useful unless a canonical-nokia private meeting is planned"
[16:06] <Riddell> I might schedule a general qt patch review and could include that as a topic
[16:06] <agateau> Riddell: good plan
[16:06] <Riddell> since it's our biggest patch :)
[16:08] <agateau> Riddell: fyi I turned appmenu support into a plugin in my Qt branch, as requested by Nokia devs, hopefully this will go in soon
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw after installing neon, you just started it with /opt/bin/startkde?
[16:09] <shadeslayer> and it automatically set the vars and stuff?
[16:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I didn't start a whole session, just individual apps
[16:10] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:17] <Quintasan> rbelem: still nothing
[16:17] <rbelem> Quintasan, even on another pc?
[16:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, or the nvidia?
[16:18] <Quintasan> I mean the driver
[16:19] <rbelem> Quintasan, boot with the latest kernel that is installed and then dpkg -P nvidia-current; apt-get install nvidia-current
[16:20] <rbelem> Quintasan, try that and paste the result to me :-) use screen and byobu
[16:21] <Quintasan> It wants to rebuild the module but claims there is no kernel source
[16:21] <Quintasan> but I have it installed
[16:27] <Riddell> hi mgraesslin, I registered a Kubuntu and xorg session at UDS, anything else you'd like sessions on? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty
[16:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: anything you would like to see in Project Neon?
[16:37]  * txwikinger wonders about a docky for KDE
[16:40] <Riddell> Quintasan: umbrello!
[16:40] <Quintasan> And what on earth is that?
[16:40] <Riddell> my pride and joy
[16:40] <Riddell> well before I did Kubuntu anyway :)
[16:40] <Riddell> do you have kdesdk?
[16:41] <Quintasan> Installed? Nope. Packaged in P-N? Yes
[16:44] <Riddell> groovy
[16:45] <Quintasan> Is this awesome?
[16:47] <Riddell> totally awesome
[16:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: does a full neon session work?
[16:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: I do not know, I think I will work on it after we get all modules packaged
[16:49] <Quintasan> I need to change all the Descriptions in control files to make it look somehow uniform
[16:49] <Quintasan> not some random CAPS LOCK INGENIOUS BLABBERING
[16:49] <Quintasan> :P
[16:50] <Riddell> Quintasan: it seems to me like neon is ready for some publicity
[16:50] <Quintasan> Well, I hope to package the rest of modules today
[16:50] <Quintasan> and I think we can get a Session entry in no time
[16:50] <Quintasan> Where are my minions?
[16:50] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^^
[16:51] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> publicity?
[16:52] <Quintasan> nope
[16:52] <Quintasan> Session entry for X
[16:52] <Quintasan> huh
[16:52] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:52] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:52] <Quintasan> where the hell are bindings?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you were supposed to be working on them
[16:52] <shadeslayer> and entry for X
[16:52] <Quintasan> I thought I requested a build yesterday
[16:52] <shadeslayer> loads of machines are down i think
[16:53] <shadeslayer> only 3-4 PPA builders
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ( for each arch )
[16:53] <Quintasan> Apparently there is no recipe
[16:53] <Quintasan> I wonder why.
[16:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Well, I'm giving the entry for X to you so you can have the honour of putting everything in motion :P
[16:54] <Quintasan> pbuilding kdebindings
[16:54] <Quintasan> wish me luck
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:55] <Quintasan> uhh
[16:55] <Quintasan> and we need to work on that python crap
[16:56] <shadeslayer> also we need to keep a seprate cache for neon
[16:56] <Quintasan> any idead how to set this up?
[16:56] <Quintasan> still no edu lucid builds
[16:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger said to look at the earlier scripts
[16:57] <Quintasan> oh god
[16:57] <shadeslayer> i found the var, but how do we proceed? patch svn packages?
[16:57] <Quintasan> patching svn?
[16:57] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:57] <shadeslayer> same goes for X entry
[16:57] <shadeslayer> we could put X entry in meta package
[16:57] <Quintasan> do we have any other way to go around it?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> but then it wont be a meta package :P
[16:57] <Quintasan> for X entry - I agree
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no idea about other way
[16:58] <Quintasan> Who cares what is inside when it works?
[16:58] <Quintasan> :P
[16:58] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[16:58] <Quintasan> missing deps on edut
[16:58] <shadeslayer> and then we have the issue of bashrc and such
[16:58] <Quintasan> bah
[16:58] <shadeslayer> the proper env vars
[17:00] <Quintasan> what is the issue with bashrc?
[17:00] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:00] <Quintasan> I get it
[17:01] <Quintasan> I think we need to ask apachelogger 
[17:01] <Quintasan> I have no idea how to deal with that
[17:01] <shadeslayer> me neither 
[17:01] <shadeslayer> maybe we should ship bashrc_neon in our meta package
[17:01] <shadeslayer> and patch konsole to use that as default
[17:02] <Quintasan> makes sense
[17:02] <Quintasan> hmm edu build for lucid requested
[17:02] <Quintasan> bindings are building
[17:04]  * shadeslayer still has weird issue with rekonq 
[17:19] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:20] <Quintasan> !info python-sip-dev
[17:20] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:20] <Quintasan> We need 4.11 or later
[17:20] <Quintasan> damn
[17:25] <Riddell> rickspencer3: please accept https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-kubuntu-n-qt-patch-review
[17:26] <rickspencer3> Riddell, done
[17:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ask apachelogger what?
[17:57] <Quintasan> ask apachelogger about asking apachelogger logger
[17:57] <Quintasan> :P
[17:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: 17:58 < shadeslayer> and then we have the issue of bashrc and such
[17:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^^
[17:58] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> oh yes
[17:58] <apachelogger> what issue?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok so we start up neon, launch bash, wont konsole pick up settings from ~/.bashrc
[17:59] <shadeslayer> the issue being, the environment vars are picked from stable install
[17:59] <apachelogger> well
[18:00] <apachelogger> if you export the environment as part of the KDE startup it will pick up those
[18:00] <shadeslayer> so launching a app ( say rekonq ) will make it start from /usr/local/bin/rekonq, instead of /opt/usr/local/bin/rekonq
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ah so we have to patch startkde
[18:01] <shadeslayer> and how do we ship our neon entry for KDM?
[18:01] <Quintasan> Nattys archives are not open yet?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no
[18:01]  * Quintasan is too lazy to package new SIP
[18:01] <Quintasan> I wonder what version debian has
[18:02] <shadeslayer> weird rekonq
[18:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude
[18:07] <shadeslayer> add docbook-xml to kdeedu
[18:12] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh 
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we dont have amarok in there :O
[18:13]  * shadeslayer gets cracking
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: maybe we should disable tests?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> wow.. those animations are awesome in kpk
[18:41] <Quintasan> well, they are most likley to fail :P
[18:41] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: docbook doesnt get pulled?
[18:41] <Quintasan> wth is wrong with those dependencies
[18:41] <shadeslayer> no
[18:41] <Quintasan> brb fixing
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ive fixed it
[18:41] <Quintasan> oh
[18:41] <Quintasan> thanks
[19:17] <ScottK> Could someone take a look at Bug 660093?  I have this feeling we'll be the ones to fix it.
[20:23] <trichard> the yawp package needs an update, it seems to be incompatible with KDE 4.5.2
[21:05] <shadeslayer> trichard: i can put it in the PPA, but ill need Riddell's approval
[21:09] <trichard> shadeslayer: ok
[21:09] <shadeslayer> trichard: whats the new version? and where are the sources ? 
[21:09] <trichard> shadeslayer: I think this bug is related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-yawp/+bug/636338
[21:10] <trichard> newest version is 0.3.5 and is located http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=94106
[21:12] <shadeslayer> trichard: ok, ill get to it tomorrow :)
[21:13] <trichard> shadeslayer: thanks!
[21:13] <shadeslayer> i wonder where dantti is these days
[21:13] <shadeslayer> i need to poke him about a kpk bug
[21:13] <shadeslayer> trichard: no problem 
[21:17] <debfx> yawp doesn't seem to work with kde 4.5.1
[21:22] <shadeslayer> debfx: needs a Backport then i guess
[21:24] <debfx> shadeslayer: an SRU preferably
[21:25] <shadeslayer> debfx: but its a new release, i dont think itll be SRU'able ... but ill need to look at the diff
[21:25] <debfx> shadeslayer: maybe we can cherry-pick a commit that fixes the issue
[21:26] <shadeslayer> possibly ...
[21:28] <shadeslayer> im sleeping, ill have a look tomorrow 
[21:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: my approval for what?
[21:40] <Lex79> Riddell: I wrote in the wiki vlc and phonon backend vlc, where it's gone?
[21:43] <Riddell> twiddle
[21:43] <Riddell> Lex79: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-kubuntu-n-coding
[21:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If it's totally broken without the update, a new version might get through SRU.
[21:43] <Lex79> ok thanks :)
[22:18] <trichard> Hm, when i double click my video in smplayer to start fullscreen i see the ubuntu wallpaper for half a second. How is this possible? I'm running KDE
[22:29] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we ought to add HAL free for 12.04 to our long term goals.  It seems upstream is working on it and it wouldn't be a bad idea to look at if there is anything they've missed or any of our own stuff.
[22:33] <bulldog98> ScottK: they want to be hal free for next release (or hoping at least)
[22:34] <ScottK> bulldog98: Yes and we want all our major transitions done for 11.10, so it would be good to get on it sooner rather than later.
[22:44] <cragdor> Hi All, are any of you experiencing issues with the NViDIA driver not working in 10.10
[22:46] <bulldog98> cragdor: works for me
[22:47] <cragdor> Doh, Seems its not working for a number of people on the internet, i also get this error in dmesg: The NVIDIA GPU 0000:02:00.0 (PCI ID: 10de:0615) installed
[22:47] <cragdor> [   10.437966] NVRM: in this system is not supported by the 260.19.06 NVIDIA Linux
[22:47] <cragdor> [   10.437967] NVRM: graphics driver release
[22:48] <cragdor> Yet i'm sure a new GTS250, should be
[23:05] <valorie_> there hasn't been a Kubuntu Meeting since July?
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> we made this in Digital Fundamentals lab today: http://imgur.com/L4noV
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> each board is a BCD to 7-segment display decoder. (2 people worked on each board)
[23:50] <Lex79> multiplexer? :)
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> I guess it could be called that
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> It takes a binary number and outputs it as something that can turn lights off and on in the 7 segment display
[23:56] <Lex79> also it called "mux" or something like that iirc
[23:57] <Lex79> yes it is
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> basically we were making this chip: http://www.physics.montana.edu/faculty/babbitt/Physics361/7segDisplay.pdf
[23:58] <Lex79> nice :)
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> me and my lab partner did the logic for segment 'e'