RAOFgtm: What driver is it?00:03
RAOFToo slow :)00:03
* BUGa_vacations headbangs on bitlbee00:06
ScottKSpamapS: I think almost everything is other (for UDS sessions)00:08
SpamapSScottK: at least that makes it simple which track you want to attend. ;)00:10
ScottKSpamapS: It's never simple for me.  I'm interested in a broad range of topics and am not bound by a job description to narrow my focus.00:11
SpamapSScottK: right, for you its always been this easy the. :)00:12
RoAkSoAxI preferred the previos uds tracks naming conventions00:13
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RoAkSoAxDoes fixing a missing pkg-config file installation in a package enought for a SRU?03:22
rneesehey guys03:25
rneesesmall issue I think needs fixing03:25
rneesephp5 pkg03:25
rneeseit should not force you to use apache when you apt-get install php503:25
rneeseas there are other web servers out there03:25
micahgrneese: it doesn't03:25
rneesephp5 should be its own install03:26
rneeseyes it does03:26
RAOFRoAkSoAx: That sounds like a reasonable candidate for me; safe (as such things can be), correct, and fixes other people's builds.03:26
rneeseThe following extra packages will be installed:03:26
rneese  apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap libcap2 php5-common03:26
rneese  ssl-cert03:26
rneesethats with apt-get install php503:26
micahg!pastebin | rneese03:26
ubotturneese: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.03:26
sanduz2i agree with rneese, if any of that stuff is not necessary for php5, id like to see it removed as well. many people are not using apache these days03:27
RAOFrneese: You're looking for php5-cli03:27
micahgrneese: apache is the default, if you have another webserver, you don't want to install the php5 package which is a metapackage03:27
RoAkSoAxRAOF: awesome, thanks ;)03:27
rneesewhere do i get php5-fpm03:29
micahgrneese: you need one of these: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/512071/, apache is first, hence it's the default03:29
RAOFmicahg, rneese: You can happily install the php5 metapackage and use a different web server; you just need to manually specify what web engine you want (php5-cgi, php5-fpm, etc).03:29
rneeseI am using nginx03:29
micahgRAOF: I know that, we hashed this out a while back on the -server ML03:30
rneeseCouldn't find package php5-fpm03:30
micahgrneese: you probably want php5-cgi03:30
micahgrneese: php5-fpm is only in maverick and up03:30
rneeseit should be on lucid03:31
rneeseneed it03:31
sanduz2so if we just want the pure php5 for use in any webserver, the only thing we need is php5-fpm?03:31
sanduz2(im on mav)03:31
rneeseif 10.04 uses 5.3.3 then php5-fpm should be in pkgs03:31
micahgrneese: this is off topic for this channel, try #ubuntu-server03:31
micahgrneese: 10.04 has 5.3.203:31
micahgsanduz2: unless you want FastCGI, you probably want php5-cgi03:32
sanduz2oh, hm. im using cherokee so im not sure what to get. thanks03:33
RoAkSoAxcjwatson: http://releases.ubuntu.com/.manifest is again showing maverick ISO's only instead of all the other releases ISO's too03:36
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persiawgrant, I've been saved a couple times by dput's marker that something was uploaded.  I'd much prefer it didn't go away.04:57
* ScottK too.05:18
* ScottK has also foud it useful as a reminder of where stuff was uploaded sometimes.05:19
james_wprobably making it smarter about urls would be a good compromise05:22
persiajames_w, How do you mean?05:23
james_wIIRC it thinks that if you upload to ppa.launchpad.net once then you don't want to upload there again, even if you are uploading to a different path05:24
persiaOh, that's clearly a bug.05:24
james_wplus making the error message clearer would be a good thing to do05:24
persiaMind you, I don't like PPAs in general, so I'm not particularly excited about fixing that one :)05:25
hifiwhats up with maverick and libgdk-pixbuf2.0? it's missing the .la file for linking06:16
persiaDidn't it switch to pkg-config or something?06:19
hifiactually I'm a bit confused as my home natty compiled freeciv without problems but my maverick can't06:20
hifiand the packages are still the same06:20
hifi(not counting the toolchain)06:21
pittiGood morning07:21
ajmitchmorning pitti07:29
dholbachGood morning! :)07:48
jsgotangcodholbach: good night :)07:50
dholbachhey jsgotangco07:51
dholbachlong time no see :)07:51
ajmitchvery long time, how are you?07:52
jsgotangcoyep startup work kept me out of irc07:52
jsgotangcodholbach: i could have joined UDS now if i learned the dates sooner07:54
dholbachjsgotangco, ugh... hopefully next time - it'd be great to see you again!07:54
jsgotangcodholbach: i'm actually in the US now but have already scheduled some stuff during those dates07:55
dholbachahh ok07:55
dholbachhey shang07:55
shangdholbach: hey!!!07:55
shangdholbach: how's going?!07:56
dholbachshang, how are you doing?07:56
jsgotangcodholbach: i dunno probably if you'll be in LA anytime after that07:56
dholbachjsgotangco, there's no LA plans right now :)07:56
shangdholbach: I am doing alright~ Congrats to the new release ~07:56
shangdholbach: how about u? how's everything going for ya?07:56
dholbachshang, very good very good - it's just ....ing cold here :)07:57
shangdholbach: LOL, already?!07:57
dholbachyeah, it's down to 4°C already07:57
shangdholbach: come visit Taiwan then, 30 right now (feels like 42)07:58
dholbachholy cow :)07:58
shangdholbach: wow, that is kind ...ing cold!!07:58
dholbachsounds much better :)07:58
shangI am not sure about better, but HOTTER for sure!!07:59
jsgotangcoand humid07:59
dholbachdoko_, are we there yet? :)07:59
persiadholbach, No.08:00
dholbachdoko_, I was just checking what was going on with natty :)08:00
shanghumid is about right!!08:01
doko_no new gnome, so everything is fine08:01
dholbachdoko_, not yet08:01
majeruhi there, I'm having a problem with 10.10 on my Dell T3500. it constaltly panics with the default 10.10 kernel08:19
majeruthe 10.04 kernel works fine08:19
persiamajeru, Support is in #ubuntu, help tracking down bugs in #ubuntu-bugs08:19
majerupersia: I asked in Ubuntu a few days ago about this issue, it was a lot of noise and noone answered08:20
majeruI'll try #ubuntu-bugs, though08:21
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cjwatsonRoAkSoAx: that's normal around releases.  but we can probably put it back now ...09:13
cjwatsonRoAkSoAx: (done)09:16
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ChrisHI was asked from a friend on the option running ubuntu-mobile on a simvalley MOBILE XP-25 (currently installed with WM6). She is not an expert in Linux but using ubuntu on her Desktop for a longer time very happy. Any experience on this specific device? Or an URL to find find hints on ubuntu-mobile on specific devices.?09:37
persiaChrisH, I'll recommend not attempting to run ubuntu-mobile anywhere.  Nobody is currently supporting it.09:51
persiaIf you need a phone UI, the current best selection is kubuntu-mobile.09:51
persiaBut that phone can't run current Ubuntu anyway: we no longer support that processor.09:53
persiaFor future support requests, I'll recommend #ubuntu for general stuff, and #ubuntu-arm for ARM-architecture-specific questions.09:53
ChrisHpersia: Thanks for that feedback. So the sum-up: She needs to stay with WM6 as this old HW/CPU is no longer supported.09:54
persiaNot in Ubuntu.  Might be for OE or Debian.  I have no familiarity with that specific device.09:54
ChrisHubuntu-mobile pointed to ubuntu-devel as followp, thats the reason I am asking here.09:55
persiaYep.  I don't fault you asking here for that reason: most folk asking for support would get shunted to #ubuntu immediately.09:55
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hyperairurgh. something happened to pulseaudio between lucid and maverick and now i'm getting superb underrun problems whenever system load goes up10:17
persiaAre you sure it was pulse, and not ALSA or the kernel?10:19
persiaMaybe test with JACK to help isolate?10:19
hyperairpersia: it's a custom kernel which hasn't changed since my lucid install.10:21
hyperairpersia: i've merged in alsa-next things during my last build10:21
persiaAnd you're also maintaining local ALSA userspace?10:22
hyperairno i'm not.10:22
hyperairhmm should i?10:22
hyperairit didn't cause problems with lucid, which should have an older alsa userspace.10:22
persiaIf you're maintaining a special ALSA kernelspace setup, I'd think it'd make sense to stay in sync.10:22
diwica newer kernel than userspace shouldn't pose a problem10:23
hyperairi didn't think it would make a difference though10:23
persiadiwic, Theoretically :)  We've had issues with that before which led to a decision to continue to update the userspace stuff up through KernelFreeze rather than just FeatureFreeze.10:25
diwicfor underrun problems you can make a PA verbose log to see if the underrun is between app -> PA or PA -> ALSA10:25
diwicpersia, okay, I assume there are always bugfixes we need to pull in10:26
persiadiwic, Basically, yeah.  Most of the upstream development is roughly in sync, so sometimes something gets fixed half here and half there, etc.10:27
persia(and getting half a fix often results in a regression, because the one expects things the other doesn't supply)10:28
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* doko curses 1pixel wide resize borders10:50
iondoko: Super+middle mouse button10:50
ionThey should scrap the borders altogether whenever shadows are available.10:50
persiaion, That pushes windows to the back of the stack for me.10:52
pittipersia: alt+middle mouse (resize) and alt+left mouse (move) WFM10:54
pittibut on a laptop, middle mouse is no easier than trying to grab a window border with a touchpad10:54
pittiso for resizing you are doomed on a laptop either way10:54
ionWhoops, alt indeed.10:54
ionpitti: alt-F810:55
persiapitti, Ah, yes.  Alt+ works fine.  Super+ less so.10:56
* persia usually just uses Alt+space to get a useful menu10:56
persiaAnd Alt+space works for *any* pointer device you like :)10:57
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bilalakhtarHi ari-tczew13:44
ari-tczewhi bilalakhtar13:44
bilalakhtarSo as it was discussed yesterday, at the most Natty should be open my Friday, right?13:45
cjwatsonyes, I would expect so13:45
persiaIt's really an unknowable date, but "soon", as it depends on everything actually working as the base is set.  Used to take 2-3 weeks, so this time is fast, really.13:46
cjwatsonit hasn't taken 2-3 weeks for a long time.13:47
cjwatsonI posted the figures for the last several releases here a day or two ago.13:47
* soren is still impressed when it's less than that.13:47
* persia too13:47
tgardnerDoes soyuz have a known issue? I can't get any of the normal package info from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-backport-maverick13:47
cjwatsontgardner: not one I've seen before13:48
cjwatsonI don't know what's up there13:48
tgardnercjwatson, whom should I point at it?13:49
wgranttgardner, cjwatson: The info there only updates daily.13:49
wgrantAnother issue.13:49
persiaAnd this package hit the bad time?13:49
wgrantThat is an odd one.13:50
wgranttgardner: For now you want https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcepub/1333666/+listing-archive-extra13:52
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wgrantNot sure exactly what has gone wrong, though.13:52
tgardnerwgrant, just file bug #65988213:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 659882 in Soyuz "No package information is displayed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65988213:52
wgranttgardner: Do you mean the list of binaries that appears at the top of the page, or the broken expander next to the package version?13:53
tgardnercjwatson, since you're the morning archive admin according to the wiki, I assume you'll process the maverick NEW queue sometime today?13:53
tgardnerwgrant, both13:54
cjwatsonsucks to be me13:54
wgranttgardner: So, they're separate issues.13:55
wgranttgardner: The broken expander is because it exists only in PROPOSED.13:55
tgardnerwgrant, from a naive user point of view, they are one and the same.13:55
wgrantThe missing binary list is probably just because it is new, and the cron job hasn't cached its data yet.13:55
wgrantProbably, yes.13:55
tgardnerwgrant, as for the binaries, its been over 24 hours since it was published.13:56
cjwatsontgardner: linux-linaro/maverick-proposed/armel accepted13:57
wgranttgardner: Ah, OK, got it.13:57
wgrantThat one is a bit of both.13:58
tgardnercjwatson, thanks. I was actually more interested in the lts meta package escaping purgatory13:58
cjwatsonoh, well, you said NEW, that one's in UNAPPROVED13:58
cjwatsonbut I can look at that too13:58
tgardnerhmm, guess I should become aware of the difference between the 2 queues13:59
cjwatsonwait, I don't see the LTS metapackage anywhere14:01
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cjwatsoncurrent state is that maverick-proposed NEW is empty; UNAPPROVED has five items, cluster-glue, ubuntu-sso-client, simple-scan, xfce4-indicator-plugin, and linux-meta-linaro14:01
tgardnercjwatson, I wonder if soyuz gobbled it up. I'll re-upload i a minute.14:02
cjwatsontgardner: oh, wait, never mind.  it's the *lucid-proposed* NEW queue, of course14:03
cjwatsonwouldn't make sense for it to be in maverick :)14:03
tgardnercjwatson, right. sorry if I wasn't clear.14:03
* ari-tczew is still waiting for opened natty.14:29
KeybukARE WE THERE YET?14:29
* cjwatson passes ari-tczew an ice-cream14:29
ari-tczewcjwatson: why ice-cream? :P14:30
cjwatson"are we there yet?"  "can I have an ice-cream" :-)14:30
ari-tczewoh, Keybuk. are you still maintainer of MoM?14:30
cjwatsoncurrently waiting for linux to finish building so that we have a fresh linux-libc-dev; then test-build something against that to make sure the world hasn't collapsed; then open if it works14:30
jdstrandcjwatson: hi! is it ok to pocket copy things to natty now, or should I wait until natty opens?14:37
* jdstrand may get an ice-cream for that question14:38
cjwatsonjdstrand: if the copy is with binaries, it's ok14:38
cjwatsonI already did that for a few things14:38
jdstrandcjwatson: cool, thanks14:38
cjwatsonwhich packages?14:38
jdstrandcjwatson: virtinst and vm-builder, when they are done building14:39
cjwatsonfrom -security or -updates, I take it?14:39
jdstrandwell, -proposed actually14:39
cjwatsonhm, do we have to copy from -proposed?14:39
cjwatsonI guess if you're keeping an eye on it14:39
jdstrandno, we don't. though as you said, I am keeping an eye on it14:40
jdstrand(a very close one I might add)14:40
cjwatsonok then14:40
cjwatsonincidentally, re ice-cream, security's monopolisation of powerpc buildds is slowing natty opening up by several hours ;-)14:41
jdstrandwell, tbh, those particularly builds originated from people outside of our team14:41
* cjwatson improves his life with bzr alias build-merge="bd -S --package-merge"14:41
chrisccoulsoncjwatson, sorry about that :(14:44
chrisccoulson(taking over the buildd's)14:44
jdstrandwhat a weird error message from scp:14:45
jdstrand$ scp -r /tmp/foo sec-maverick-amd64.:/tmp1/14:45
jdstrandscp: /tmp1/: Is a directory14:45
jdstrandit actually is *not* a directory...14:46
jdstrand(it doesn't exist)14:46
Chipzzjdstrand: but that behaviour shouldn't surprise you?14:47
Chipzzeven if the error message isn't exactly clear14:47
jdstrandChipzz: the behavior no. the error message telling that /tmp1 is a directory when it isn't, yes14:49
cjwatsonit's actually from open()14:49
cjwatson21548 open("/nonexistent/", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_LARGEFILE, 0755) = -1 EISDIR (Is a directory)14:49
cjwatsonman page says:14:49
cjwatson       EISDIR pathname refers to a directory and the access requested involved14:49
cjwatson              writing (that is, O_WRONLY or O_RDWR is set).14:49
cjwatsonso evidently the kernel checks that before it checks whether it exists14:49
cjwatsonnot really directly scp's fault14:49
cjwatsonwell, maybe it is, it's using O_CREAT of course14:50
ubottubugzilla.mindrot.org bug 1768 in scp "scp: wrong error message when destination directory ends with a slash and is missing" [Normal,New]14:51
cjwatsonheh, forwarded by me so I should have known ;-)14:51
jdstrandit certainly isn't a devastating bug, which is why I only mentioned it in passing :)14:51
cjwatsonI attached a patch there, but would prefer to wait for upstream to review/apply it14:51
amikropHello, since I installed the proprietary nVidia drivers, my boot splash image disappeared, the boot resolution got too low, and I get ugly big letters instead. So, I installed startupmanager to fix that. But when I set resolution 1600x1200 (and other options such as "use splash image" and "no text during boot") I get a "out of sync" from my screen instead of the boot logo. Any help, please? What can I set as options to startup manager?14:52
amikrop to get my old nice boot splash graphics back? My screen resolution is 1920x1080.14:52
Keybukamikrop: if you want hi-res graphics, don't use the proprietary nvidia drivers14:55
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amikropKeybuk: I have to. Can't I have a nice boot logo? I have big ugly letters instead (which are out of correct order, too).14:56
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ari-tczewamikrop: might be your issue bug 65327415:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 653274 in linux (Ubuntu) "Plymouth doesn't show Kubuntu or Ubuntu logo with Nvidia proprietary driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65327415:15
amikropari-tczew: thanks, I 'll have a look :)15:17
amikropari-tczew: so, do you think that will help? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/653274/comments/1315:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 653274 in linux (Ubuntu) "Plymouth doesn't show Kubuntu or Ubuntu logo with Nvidia proprietary driver" [Undecided,Confirmed]15:19
ari-tczewamikrop: I didn't use this one, so I won't give a warranty.15:21
ari-tczewyou can use this one on your responsibility15:21
amikropari-tczew: which one did you use?15:21
ari-tczewamikrop: nothing. I still have ugly plymouth screen.15:22
amikropari-tczew: Every nVidia & Ubuntu user does, right? That is about 1/2 of Ubuntu users. Isn15:24
amikropIsn't that a critical bug?15:24
amikropIt looks unprofessional and broken.15:24
Riddellmdke: do you know how to get docs translations from po files to docbook?15:25
ari-tczewamikrop: probably it's related to closed nVidia drivers. IMO it's high priority bug (not critical) and I agree, that a huge of Ubuntu users use this drivers, though Jockey suggests automatically instalation these drivers.15:26
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ari-tczewbut core developers think that this bug is not in their responsibility.15:27
pittiit's got little to do with "think"15:27
pittiit's a closed-source driver15:27
pittiwe can't modify it15:27
ari-tczewpitti: so bug should be reported upstream, right?15:28
pittiari-tczew: they are well aware of KMS15:28
pittibut they won't/can't switch to it15:28
pittibecause of licensing issue15:28
pitti(the kernel APIs necessary for this are GPL only, as far as I remember)15:28
ari-tczewpitti: so release maverick with that ugly element - booting step making bad feedback about Ubuntu.15:29
ari-tczewand Canonical should do everything to workaround this problem15:29
amikroppitti: I agree :S15:29
* pitti pats his intel card15:30
amikropit's very bad marketing, if anything15:30
amikroppitti: since there are workarounds (tinker with startupmanager or vga=xxx boot option) why couldn't they be default?15:30
amikropI mean, such options should be added automatically by the installation of the nvidia package15:31
pittithey could, presumably15:31
cjwatsonthe problem with setting a non-VGA-text graphics mode in GRUB is that it causes quite a few systems to oops at boot15:31
amikroppitti: It would be very good if they would15:32
cjwatsonwe tried, and had to back it out15:32
tseliotpitti: if the bootsplash is the problem, then Nvidia should just provide an fb device, no need for KMS15:32
cjwatsonwe'll try again, but it's reliant on kernel improvements15:32
cjwatsonso, as ever, it's not quite that simple ...15:33
amikropcjwatson: could you please help me set startupmanager if I tell you some information about my screen, resolution, etc?15:39
apwcjwatson, is your team aware of this blueprint: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/burg/+spec/burg-as-default-bootloader15:39
cjwatsonapw: it doesn't surprise me, but I'm not interested15:40
cjwatsonburg is very much less well-maintained15:40
apwcjwatson, fair enough indeed15:40
cjwatsonamikrop: no, I don't know enough about nvidia, sorry15:41
tgardnerthat, and we've just barely gotten onto grub2.15:41
cjwatsonburg is a one-man fork by a developer who couldn't work with the grub2 team15:41
cjwatsonit has one or two appealing features which have got people interested, but it's better to work on grub2 which has a development team and a future15:42
apwworks for me15:43
amikropcjwatson: who could help me? I am basically looking for what to set to StartUp-Manager's Display->Resolution, Display->Color Depth and Advanced->Bootloader menu resolution as values. My screen resolution is 1920x1080 and depth color (I think) 2415:43
cjwatsonamikrop: I'm afraid I don't know, sorry15:43
amikropapw: could you help me, please?15:44
cjwatsonyou could ask by methods other than IRC (e.g. askubuntu.com, the forums, ...)15:44
amikropcjwatson: aha15:44
cjwatsonasking on IRC is an "I hope there's somebody around in this channel right now who knows the answer" kind of deal15:44
apwamikrop, yeah i have never used startup manager15:46
apwis the effort worth it?  it can only be there for a few seconds15:46
amikropapw: I would like to see a nice graphic for a few seconds, than some big ugly displaced letters. There are only for a few seconds there, but they are there on every boot. That is, thousands of seconds, summed up :/15:48
amikropAnyway, I 'll try to tinker with StartUp-Manager. Thanks, everybody.15:49
slangasekpersia: megabyte changelog files> yeah, I know :/16:02
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amikropHmm, can't I find the Plymouth options nouveau used, and apply them now (to the proprietary drivers), as well?16:24
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night_fox1Hello! I'm doing this project which uses object recognition and classification in images to automatically create metadata, which can then be used to search a collection of images. It seems as though the best way to implement this would be as part of an existing search tool, like Tracker. So, I what the situation is in terms of gnome search tools in ubuntu, and if the ubuntu developers were...16:41
night_fox1...considering maybe introducing another search tool in a future version?16:41
night_fox1Sorry, the start of that last sentence should have read "So, I was wondering what the situation is..."16:42
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looldoko: Hey, I'm merging newlib and I think we can drop the override of confargs_spu; mind confirming?  The new rules look like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/512471/ and I think the first confargs_spu from Debian is actually ok; would you confirm?  (especially --target=/--program-prefix=; the rest definitely seems correct)17:14
dokolool: can you check with a build on davis that it does build? debian newlib changes didn't always work out well17:52
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looldoko: I tried kicking a build in a non-virtual PPA17:57
loolbut for some reason my upload didn't reach it17:58
loolI wonder whether uploads to natty PPAs work already17:58
ogra_aclool, TI complains too17:58
ogra_ac(about maverick packages though)17:58
loologra_ac: What's happening for them?17:59
ogra_acthere might be a general issue with arm PPAs17:59
ogra_acnothing, see #ubuntu-arm17:59
slangasekdoko: are there any blueprints for UDS-N about toolchain version selection?17:59
slangasekdoko: I'm assuming there needs to be an ongoing discussion about whether Ubuntu should use the Linaro GCC builds, and that it's not a foregone conclusion :)18:00
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loologra_ac: They seem to mention that builds don't start; my upload isn't even accepted here18:01
dokoslangasek: no, just going forward with 4.5 now. I think it's late for 4.5, but yes, we should have an evaluation what to do with 4.6. maybe 4.4 linaro was a special case because it had the whole cs patches too18:01
slangasekdoko: when you say "late for 4.5", what do you mean?  Do you mean it's too late for Ubuntu to take the Linaro patches for gcc 4.5?18:02
loolactually I have an error message:18:03
loolCannot build any of the architectures requested: i386 amd64 armel ia64 powerpc18:03
loolsparc ppc64 all18:03
dokoslangasek: well, already started with 4.5 linaro for natty, and we had the linaro bits in maverick too18:04
dokoanyway, afk now18:05
slangasekdoko: oh, so the patches are already there so there's nothing to discuss? :-)18:05
slangasekdoko: ok, cheers18:05
dokoslangasek: there is, for 4.6, and there are definitely changes in the branches which are non-optimization changes18:06
slangasekdoko: ack18:10
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smoserstgraber, around ?18:28
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jdstrandcjwatson, pitti, slangasek, kirkland, james_w`, Riddell, StevenK: fyi-- as per the kernel-team@ mailing list, there is a backported maverick kernel in lucid-proposed now. I wanted to bring to your attention bug #660077. This bug is for an apparmor SRU that needs to be pushed before/at the same time as the lucid-proposed backported kernel18:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 660077 in apparmor (Ubuntu Maverick) "update AppArmor to 2.5.1 for backported maverick kernels" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66007718:57
highvoltage● Edubuntu Meeting in about 30 minutes19:25
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highvoltage(oops, I just realised I pasted that here, it was meant for another channel)19:31
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ScottKjcastro: Does it take some special magic to get LP to update status from remote Bugzillas?  It looks like we aren't getting updates from the clamav bugzila.21:45
jcastrothe bugwatch could be broken21:46
jcastroit's supposed to be automagic21:46
jcastroderyckh on #launchpad should know for sure21:46
lifelesswe're about to do an LP upgrade21:47
lifelessyou will want to wait for after that :)21:47
lifelessScottK: older bugzillas need a plugin, newer ones have it built in, and LP need an account on the bugzilla21:48
ScottKlifeless: Is there some LP person who can investigate such things?21:49
ScottK(I'm certainly not in a position to make LP accounts on remote bug trackers)21:49
lifelessScottK: I suggest filing a question on answers.lp.net/malone21:50
ScottKlifeless: Will do.  Thanks.21:50
lifelessScottK: that will end up with folk that know fairly quickly.21:50
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=== Chex changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: 10.10 released on 10/10/10 at 10:10:10UTC!! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | 17:15 -!- Topic for #ubuntu-devel: 10.10 released on 10/1
=== Chex changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: 10.10 released on 10/10/10 at 10:10:10UTC!! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Launchpad down/read-only from 22:00 - 00:00 UTC for a cod
=== Chex changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: 10.10 released on 10/10/10 at 10:10:10UTC!! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | Launchpad down/read-only from 22:00 - 00:00 UTC for a code update
Chexthird times the charm.22:17
AmaranthIs it just me or is launchpad logging everyone out after about 5 minutes?22:43
BUGabundono idea22:43
micahgAmaranth: launchpad is about to undergo an upgrade22:43
Amaranthmicahg: Did they break something with the last one? This has been happening for some time now22:44
micahgAmaranth: are you on edge?22:44
Amaranthmicahg: Yeah22:44
micahgAmaranth: I've noticed some session issues recently, but I'm hoping they'll be fixed with this release22:45
Amaranthit boots me off non-edge too22:45
AmaranthOtherwise when I go to non-edge it would have automatically redirected me to edge22:45
micahgAmaranth: me too, there was some type of notice of consolidating edge/production into 1 URL, but idk when that'll happen22:45
AmaranthWhat the hell22:48
AmaranthI just logged in on one bug then opened another and it wasn't logged in...22:48
AmaranthOh well, if it's still broken after the upgrade I'll file a bug or something22:48
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wgrantAmaranth: I've seen some reports of this happening to some users since the DB maintenance last week. But only a couple.22:59
wgrant(everyone's sessions were dropped last Wednesday and Thursday, but some have apparently been having subsequent issues)23:00
wgrantIf you still see strangeness after the release, please file a bug.23:00
Amaranthwgrant: How long is a session supposed to last?23:01
wgrantAmaranth: A year, I think, except when the session DB is cleared.23:01
AmaranthOk, I know it has been less than that for me for longer than a week23:02
wgrantOdd. I remain logged in for months without trouble.23:02
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replicasexHey guys, really quick question and I'll be out.  Is the new version of xorg currently in 10.10 going to be pushed to 10.04?  Because it didn't play well with my system and the nvidia driver, just wondering if I'll have to watch out for that update.23:51
ionIt won’t. That’s pretty much the point of stable releases.23:52
replicasexion, thank you very much.  I really appreciate the ubuntu community :D  I'll let you get on with your day23:53
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