[00:20] <nhandler> Pici, ikonia: I saw the hilight. Was it just a mistake, or do I need to read more of the scrollback?
[00:25] <IdleOne> mistake
[00:52] <nhandler> )
[00:52] <nhandler> * :)
[01:32] <h00k> Amaranth: that works, too
[01:32] <Seeker`> that shoulda been a ban
[01:32] <Seeker`> /lastlog shows a troll
[01:33] <Amaranth> Yeah, obvious troll
[01:33] <Amaranth> Don't want to waste a ban if he doesn't come back right away though
[01:40] <marienz> that was weird. FWIW: "Geert Wilders" is the name of a somewhat controversial dutch politician.
[04:36] <wizzo> hi I was just wondering why there's no #ubuntu-men
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> wizzo: There was at one point at least.  I don't think it ever had more than about three people in it though.
[04:41] <wizzo> tonyyarusso: if we get more users can we have the channel running then?
[04:42] <wizzo> I think that there's a pretty big cross section of people who use ubuntu and people who are men
[04:42] <wizzo> we could have something here
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> wizzo: If you'd like, you could create an ##ubuntu-men (with two # marks) first, see how it goes, and if it seems worthwhile and gets a community behind it while following the Ubuntu IRC Guidelines, then we could transition such a thing into the namespace, yeah.
[04:43] <wizzo> well that makes sense
[04:43] <wizzo> alright thanks for your help
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> !guidelines | For reference
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> np
[04:44] <wizzo> cool
[05:09] <nhandler> tonyyarusso: I didn't think #ubuntu-men was ever used for any legit purpose and was just some troll response to #ubuntu-women (hence it being closed now). I could be way off on this though
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> nhandler: I think I saw it used reasonably maybe once or twice.  Either way, if it has new management / leadership I don't think the past really matters all that much, and properly starting it outside of our namespace rather than just creating it within might be a nice trial I thought.
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> Mostly it was a troll thing, but not 100%, since people joined who weren't part of the initial setup.
[05:13] <persia> I'm not sure it's fair to call creation of -men groups in response to -women groups trollish.  I suspect there's a fair number of men who want somewhere to be special when there is prohibition of sexism in common areas, and women are special in -women.
[05:13] <persia> Not saying Ubuntu needs such a group, but I've seen any number of them created over the past couple of decades.
[05:14] <persia> And I believe they tend to improve the sense of equality and lack of sexism in common channels.
[05:14] <nhandler> persia: I wish their intentions were that noble ;)
[05:14] <persia> Yeah, well, I can't talk about specifics: just wanted to make sure it wasn't a blanket reflex response to the creation of mens groups.
[05:15] <mneptok> nhandler: i think it's unfair for you to assume you know every person's intentions
[05:15] <elky> I'm cautious by default of a group which is inspired by the horrid situation we find ourselves in where only 95% of the community is male.
[05:15] <nhandler> persia: Nope. I have no issue trialing this (especially outside of our namespace). I just want to make sure that there is an actual and legit purpose behind the channel (which will depend on the founder)
[05:15] <persia> nhandler, Makes sense.
[05:15] <nhandler> mneptok: I would never assume such a thing
[05:16] <mneptok> elky: it's horrid if it is planned or expected. the demographics of Ubuntu usership are neither.
[05:16] <persia> elky, I completely understand your caution: that said, I've seen some groups (especially related to non-technical non-profit communities) where the simple creation of a mens group that sends the "it's OK to be a man, but don't assume everyone is, except here" message helps the general situation.
[05:18] <elky> persia, I might agree if it were not for the whole 95% part.
[05:18]  * persia is also not advocating #ubuntu-men, just wanting to make sure it's not reflex-dead, from a belief that a well-managed one ends up having similar goals and utility to -women
[05:18] <elky> And the assumption that to "be a man" one must be as opposite to "a woman" as possible.
[05:18]  * persia goes off-channel to have an interesting debate about the 95% part
[07:00] <Jordan_U> [Screamo] is trolling in #ubuntu
[07:01] <bazhang> thanks, will keep an eye on him
[07:01] <jpds> Too late for that...
[07:02] <bazhang> heh
[07:04] <jpds> -[Screamo](wearethesi@should.have.tried.shellium.org)- i was having a convo with someone just throwing around some good old healthy  critacism and you ban me :\
[07:11] <eboyjr> I remember a long time ago, when @lark worked.. what happened to it?
[07:11] <bazhang> lart
[07:11] <bazhang> disabled
[07:12] <eboyjr> Even in ubuntu-offtopic? It was fun
[07:12] <bazhang> all fun is outlawed
[07:13] <eboyjr> lol darn
[07:21] <jussi> lolno...
[07:21] <tonyyarusso> heh
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> If you knew what you were doing, why would you need the factoid?
[07:22] <jussi> exactly... :D
[07:24] <persia> There's a school of thought  that every piece of information should be a factoid so that people can remember factoids rather than URLs.  There's another school of thought that believes if information is good and useful it should be integrated with the standard documentation in an intuitive manner.
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> Then there's a school of thought that says why is persia philosophising instead of baking me cookies?
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> that was random
[07:28]  * tonyyarusso wouldn't be surprised if it's the same guy
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> I don't have access there though.
[07:28] <persia> tonyyarusso, Come here with an oven that fits in my house, and I'll bake you cookies.  Until then you have to put up with philosophy.
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[07:29] <MarkShuttleWorth> gosh dang
[07:29] <MarkShuttleWorth> i got banned
[07:29] <MarkShuttleWorth> why?
[07:29] <persia> Likely your nick.
[07:29] <bazhang> trolling
[07:30] <MarkShuttleWorth> phew
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> Nope, it wasn't his nick.
[07:30] <MarkShuttleWorth> glad i was trolling and not being serious
[07:30] <MarkShuttleWorth> can you let me offf this time
[07:30] <bazhang> hitting multiple channels
[07:30] <bazhang> no
[07:30] <MarkShuttleWorth> wtf
[07:30] <MarkShuttleWorth> is there a communication error
[07:30] <MarkShuttleWorth> from what i am picking up here
[07:30] <MarkShuttleWorth> there is
[07:30] <bazhang> nope crystal clear: no unban.
[07:31] <MarkShuttleWorth> but why
[07:32] <MarkShuttleWorth> did i say something
[07:32] <jussi> yes
[07:32] <MarkShuttleWorth> how do words hurt so bad?
[07:32] <MarkShuttleWorth> sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt you
[07:32] <MarkShuttleWorth> gosh
[07:32] <MarkShuttleWorth> ok i will make it up to everyone here
[07:32] <jussi> MarkShuttleWorth: really, you are behaving unacceptably.
[07:32] <MarkShuttleWorth> i am not forcing you to believe anything. you can make up your own mind
[07:32] <MarkShuttleWorth> but if you wants nudes let me know
[07:34] <jussi> :/
[07:35] <bazhang> now trolling -sugarteam
[07:35] <jussi> Im now there...
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> changes nick every two seconds too, just to be annoying
[07:36]  * jussi waits for the next ops call
[07:37] <jussi> its nice though that when I joined the channel he quit...
[07:37] <jussi> argh, medibuntu is down
[07:42] <persia> came and gone from -reviews, being insulting.  I'm not going to bother with an ops call there, as /part has already happened
[07:50] <Hoober> Why am I still banned
[07:51] <Hoober> woa
[07:51] <Hoober> the graphics in this room is good
[07:52] <bazhang> Hoober, making problems in multiple channels, I'd guess
[07:52] <Hoober> I am banned from 1 channel
[07:52] <jussi> 3 actually
[07:52] <Hoober> the ubuntu-women
[07:53] <bazhang> 3
[07:53] <Hoober> what how?
[07:53] <Hoober> i thought we cleared this up like months ago
[07:53] <Hoober> or 1 month at best
[07:54] <Hoober> here let me quote the message for you
[07:54] <Hoober> "[INFO]    You are banned from this channel."
[07:54] <bazhang> August 7th
[07:55] <Hoober> So what we up to anyway?
[07:55] <bazhang> 10/13
[07:56] <Hoober> my birthday is tomorrow
[07:56] <Hoober> I am 19 right now but almost 20!
[07:57] <Hoober> My cake will be an Angel Food Cake with frosting/topping and cherry on top
[07:58] <bazhang> Hoober, was there something else you needed?
[07:58] <Hoober> birthday presents will likely include: 1 Fallout New Vegas and 1 Draw on the monitor
[07:58] <Hoober> will you throw a party for me
[07:58] <Hoober> I am giving you a day's warning in advance
[07:59] <Hoober> I think a couple of you are my friends
[08:00] <Hoober> It shouldn't be too hard. you have OP
[08:00] <Hoober> ObviousPower
[08:00] <bazhang> Hoober, please read the channel topic here, thanks.
[08:00] <Hoober> or whatever
[08:00] <Hoober> k read it
[08:00] <Hoober> so what do you think?
[08:01] <Hoober> is this a topic for off-topic
[08:01] <Hoober> I figured you ladies and gentlemen have the power to make my birthday party official
[08:01] <Hoober> it is just a neat little request
[08:02] <bazhang> Hoober, this is not a social channel
[08:02] <Hoober> um
[08:02] <Hoober> Capitalist?
[08:02] <Hoober> But Ubuntu is for attracting a community
[08:02] <Hoober> this is the one stop shop for friends
[08:02] <bazhang> Hoober, and your behavior lends no great confidence to your being allowed back into #ubuntu
[08:03] <Hoober> i can already go to ubuntu
[08:03] <Hoober> you mean ubuntu women
[08:04] <Hoober> do you even keep track of the history ? :(
[08:04] <Hoober> my history I mean
[08:05] <Hoober> i will give you a few minute to let your memory catch up.
[08:06] <bazhang> odd. the ban tracker has you as banned there.
[08:06] <Hoober> whoever unbanned me didn't fix the records
[08:06] <Hoober> i can't remember who.. but it was probably Flannel or someone
[08:07] <Hoober> doesn't your log say who my custom service representative was
[08:08] <bazhang> yep unbanned there
[08:08] <Hoober> well i am heading to off-topic to chat with the rest of the homies
[08:09] <bazhang> bizarroid. #bansearch shows it, but bantracker shows the opposite
[08:09] <bazhang> err @
[08:15] <bazhang> yep back to trolling -ot
[08:15] <bazhang> suicide bombers
[08:18] <rww> Hello. Did someone decide to unban Hoober from #ubuntu-offtopic for some odd reason, is he ban-evading, or is my memory going wonky?
[08:19] <bazhang> unbanned it seems
[08:19]  * tonyyarusso apparently had him on ignore
[08:19] <rww> bad tonyyarusso :(
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> I know :(
[08:19] <bazhang> he was told explicitly not to do that kind of thing or the ban would be much longer
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> must have been annoying somewhere else and I didn't bother to -channel
[08:20] <bazhang> his comments are clearly upsetting folks
[08:21] <rww> He's one of those borderlines that toggles between normal topics and insanity :(
[08:21] <bazhang> mostly the latter
[08:46] <bazhang> he was warned clearly about not trolling again when the ban was removed.
[08:48] <elky> I'm too involved to act now too.
[08:50] <ikonia> Hoober: you've banned from #ubuntu-offtopic, you just admited you where trolling it earlier
[08:50] <Hoober> fuck you. fuck you in the ass. thats right you are such pieces of shit for not looking at my side but only what you could interpret a person's motives having to be to have my side
[08:50] <Hoober> shut the fuck up i quit
[08:50] <Hoober> you ruined
[08:50] <Hoober> you ruined my respect
[08:50] <Hoober> you don't do this to me
[08:50] <ikonia> you didn't need to start
[08:50] <ikonia> bye
[08:50] <Hoober> i had real times
[08:50] <Hoober> fuck yourselves
[08:50] <ikonia> and your language will not progress this any futher
[08:51] <ikonia> the channel will be a simpler and easier place without him
[08:51] <elky> Such a loss. That valuable contribution will be sorely missed.
[08:51] <ikonia> I was quicker to type elky
[08:51] <elky> No, I refrained since I had engaged him.
[08:52] <ikonia> (no great loss comment)
[08:52] <elky> Ah.
[08:55] <ikonia> now recieving "threats" from hoober in pm that the Linux community will know of this outrage
[08:55] <ikonia> just ignoring it now after I drectred him back in here to discuss it reasonably
[09:19] <elky> Now he's returned as hoober_ to PM me.
 Nice name Melissa. When you said predator that hurt my feelings. Did you mean a predator like the alien versus predator?
[09:19] <elky> Creeeeeeepy.
[09:20] <ikonia> I've already told him to not discuss it in pm
[09:20] <ikonia> that's what this channel is for
[09:21] <elky> He's not taking silence so well.
[09:22] <elky> http://paste.ubuntu.com/512226/
[09:25] <ikonia> gone now
[09:32] <elky> Riddance.
[10:21] <ikonia> !softsource
[16:17] <IdleOne> There done
[16:18] <IdleOne> don't like the factoid name, figure a better one :P
[16:30] <IdleOne> set a forward here on Licuadora. seen them do the curse and part thing a couple times
[16:44] <jussi> !sources
[16:44] <jussi> IdleOne:
[16:44] <jussi> !no softsources is <alias>sources
[16:44] <IdleOne> yes but from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories it is 2-3 more clicks before you get to the actual info the user is looking for
[16:45] <jussi> IdleOne: and?
[16:45] <IdleOne> and having a direct link will avoid the user asking " Where do I click now?"
[16:45] <jussi> Im really against putting huge urls in factoids...
[16:45] <IdleOne> give the user the info they want. problem solved, happy user :)
[16:46] <IdleOne> it isn't that huge :/
[16:46] <IdleOne> just looks it because of the %20
[16:47] <jussi> it is, but those to pages should be merged...
[16:47] <jussi> anyway, got to run
[16:49] <IdleOne> I don't know, maybe it is just me but the !sources factoid looks like one giant link, the 3 links all merge into one at first glance.
[16:50] <IdleOne> I really don't see what the difference is in having 3 links in one factoid or 1 link that looks long.
[16:58] <IdleOne> shorter :)
[17:01] <IdleOne> hmm
[17:01] <IdleOne> s/Software Sources?/Software Sources in 10.10?
[17:02] <Pici> !softsources is <reply> Looking for your Software Sources in Maverick/10.10? For a simple way to enable the menu item see http://tinyurl.com/24jxd6t - More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[17:02] <Pici> IdleOne: Hows that?
[17:03] <IdleOne> perfect dude
[17:03] <IdleOne> thank you
[17:03] <nozes> hi
[17:04] <IdleOne> hello
[17:05] <ikonia> hello nozes
[17:05] <nozes> I was banned form #ubuntu
[17:05] <nozes> ikonia, hello, how are you?
[17:06] <nozes> IdleOne, Remember?
[17:06] <IdleOne> nozes: yes I do. I will ikonia handle this as he was the op who set the ban
[17:06] <IdleOne> I will let*
[17:06] <ikonia> you where posting links where you not
[17:06] <ikonia> IdleOne: thank you
[17:07] <IdleOne> sure thing
[17:07] <ikonia> nozes: you where posting links in multiple #ubuntu channels and freenode in general
[17:08] <nozes> ikonia, already apologized, ;)
[17:09] <nozes> I'm still grounded?
[17:09] <ikonia> one moment please
[17:09] <ikonia> !logs
[17:10] <nozes> ok
[17:10] <ikonia> you where also rude to operators in the channels
[17:11] <IdleOne> and in PM
[17:11] <ikonia> nozes: if I remove the ban in #ubuntu - do you know how to behave ?
[17:12] <nozes> ikonia, yes
[17:12] <nozes> xD
[17:13] <ikonia> nozes: ok - so you fully understand no posting of offtopic content of any sort (not links, not text not anything) and if anyone (nost just operators) ask you to stop, you stop without being rude in channel or pm ?
[17:13] <nozes> ikonia, yes
[17:14] <ikonia> nozes: ok, I'll remove the ban from the #ubuntu channel, but please keep in mind what we have talked about in here today
[17:14] <nozes> ikonia, on the other channel, they asked me to stop, just banned
[17:14] <ikonia> nozes: don't try to defend that
[17:14] <ikonia> I explained to you in multiple channels to stop posting links and you joined more and posted
[17:15] <ikonia> that's why you where banned
[17:15] <ikonia> don't try to defand that
[17:15] <nozes> ok, sorry!
[17:15] <ikonia> nozes: I've removed the ban in #ubuntu now, you're welcome to leave this channel and join #ubuntu and participate
[17:16] <nozes> not want to be rude sorry
[17:16] <ikonia> ok
[17:17] <nozes> thanks, you and very friendly
[17:17] <nozes> S2
[17:18] <ikonia> ok, thank you. Your welcome to leave this channel and join #ubuntui
[17:18] <ikonia> #ubuntu
[17:18] <nozes> I could go with another nick, but preferred to do it right!
[17:18] <nozes> bye
[17:19] <ikonia> bye
[19:26] <ts2> KM0201: can we help you with something?
[19:27] <KM0201> um, i don't know how i ended up here.
[19:27] <KM0201> i'll leave
[19:27] <Pici> Okay :)
[19:30] <IdleOne> forwarded here from +1
[19:35] <ts2> but +1 is +i, so it shouldn't matter
[19:38] <ts2> maybe seven is just odd like that
[19:40] <Tm_T> ...so you can forward others than invited?
[19:42] <ts2> i would assume +i would stop the forward from being applied
[19:43] <ts2> besides, it's +if #ubuntu
[19:43] <ts2> so it should forward to #ubuntu
[19:45] <Seeker`> @bansearch KM0201
[19:46] <IdleOne> 29212
[20:04] <IdleOne> Would an update to !wubi with the link to wubi.exe for 10.10 be useful?
[20:04] <IdleOne> I checked and it does in fact download the 10.10.iso for installation
[20:08] <IdleOne> in case someone wants to add it
[22:54] <nhandler> ubottu: !no wubi is <reply> Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide for troubleshooting. Please  file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug. For Ubuntu Maverick/10.10 http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/wubi.exe
[22:55] <nhandler> IdleOne: ^^^
[23:06] <IdleOne> nhandler: thank you