[00:14] <vsd20c> Hey guys quick question. I'm making a ubuntu network based on an older machine. I was planning to virtualize the network, but, for the base machine should i install the server software directly or could i run virtual box off of puppy linux what seems like the best way to go?
[00:15] <ScottK> Would it surprise you to find that people here might recommend running Ubuntu as the base distro?
[00:16] <vsd20c> not really
[00:16] <vsd20c> but just curious as to if i was virtualizing
[00:16] <vsd20c> but that works thanks
[00:22] <Jeeves__> jeeves_: Hi!
[00:22] <Jeeves__> Would you mind leaving my nick alone? :)
[00:22] <jeeves_> jeeves_, mine should be "Jeeves_Moss"
[00:22] <Jeeves__> Thanks :)
[00:23] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, better?
[00:23] <Jeeves_> Much :)
[00:23] <Jeeves_> ty
[00:23] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, cool
[00:23] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, got a sec to see if you can help me take a stab @ this script?
[00:25] <Jeeves_> a sec, maybe
[00:25] <Jeeves_> But it's currently 1:25 AM where I live, so I'd like to go to bed soon :)
[00:29] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, ok, one sec
[00:30] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, it's only d-loading the first index.html page (not finishing the list of URLs in the URL input text file), and it's only doing the first page of the index.html it's pulling
[00:32] <Jeeves_> jeeves_moss: I've just joined again
[00:32] <Jeeves_> so i've got no clue what you're talking about :)
[00:33] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, it's only d-loading the first index.html page (not finishing the list of URLs in the URL input text file), and it's only doing the first page of the index.html it's pulling
[00:35] <Jeeves_> That's what you said before
[00:35] <Jeeves_> I've got no context, no script
[00:36] <jeeves_moss> oh, sorry.  one sec
[00:36] <Jeeves_> So i've really got no clue what you're talking aout :)
[00:36] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, http://pastebin.ca/1960490
[00:42] <Jeeves_> Hmm, that strange
[00:42] <Jeeves_> +'s
[00:42] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, ???
[00:43] <Jeeves_> That should work, if you ask me
[00:43] <Jeeves_> #
[00:43] <Jeeves_>                 $WGET wget -r -p -nd -nc -l"$DEPTH" -t5 -H --domains=images.4chan.org -A.jpg,.jpeg,.gif,.png,.pix -erobots=off "$URL" -e robots=off
[00:43] <Jeeves_> That does /usr/bin/wget wget
[00:43] <Jeeves_> which isn't good
[00:45] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, ok, crap.  you know it's been a LONG day!
[00:46] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, any ideas on why it's not following the page links?  I want it to scrape the images out of images.4chan.org ONLY.
[00:46] <Jeeves_> :)
[00:46] <Jeeves_> -erobots=off
[00:46] <Jeeves_> You say that twice
[00:47] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, and the recursive scrape of the linked page under the start?
[00:47] <Jeeves_> No clue
[00:48] <Jeeves_> Never been looking for hot girls like this :)
[00:48] <Jeeves_> s/hot/stupid/
[00:48] <jeeves_moss> ok, thanks.  I'm trying to site scrape as a "proof of concept".  So far, I can't get it to scrape anything further than the seed page
[00:48] <Jeeves_> jeeves_moss: Sure :)
[00:49] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, lol.  I'd like to find a way of writing all of the file names to a flat file so I can skip the ones already d-loaded.
[00:50] <jeeves_moss> Jeeves_, thanks again for your help.  I think I can find a "round about" way to make it do what I want.
[00:53] <njbair> Can I configure Server with a root account and get rid of sudo, or will that break stuff?
[00:59] <Jeeves_> njbair: That will not break stuff
[00:59] <Jeeves_> So, yes you can!
[00:59] <njbair> I imagine just `sudo passwd root` and then `apt-get remove sudo` should do it, eh?
[01:05] <billybigrigger> can anyone here help me restore a borked system upgrade?
[01:05] <billybigrigger> the process is still running though, i can see it via ps aux
[01:05] <billybigrigger> root     26055  0.0  4.9  42856 25088 hvc0     S    Oct11   0:00 /usr/bin/python /tmp/tmpzQNQJU/mave
[01:05] <billybigrigger> rick --mode=server --frontend=DistUpgradeViewText
[01:06] <billybigrigger> how do i resume that process?
[01:12] <billybigrigger> anyone?
[01:25] <ScottK> I'd suggest let it run if it shows signs of doing anything?
[01:28] <billybigrigger> no
[01:29] <billybigrigger> it was in an ajax console for a vps (linode.com) and i thought originally that i killed the process...with a ctrl-z, but i paused it
[01:29] <billybigrigger> so then i accidentally
[01:29] <billybigrigger> err i ran the command fg which showed the process and ctrl-c out of that
[01:29] <billybigrigger> so i have no idea how to resume this process...
[02:20] <billybigrigger> ok i'm trying to resume a borked system upgrade...attempting $ sudo dpkg --configure -a results in this error
[02:20] <billybigrigger> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[02:21] <billybigrigger> how can i resume the system upgrade?
[02:22] <billybigrigger> is it safe to remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock?
[03:11] <four2zero> hello i just upgraded to from 10.04 32bit and now when i run vnc-client from windows to ubuntu-server, im not able to connect to the desktop, I went to Adminstrations or Preferences > Remote Desktop and it appears to freeze once i set allow access to this desktop and set password for it. I've even installed x11vnc as well but that was not working as well, what to do ?
[03:11] <four2zero> edit: upgraded from 10.4 to 10.10 32bit
[03:11] <detrix> RCola, you available to assist me again
[03:12] <rneese> is php5 =5.3 ?
[03:12] <rneese> what ver of php is in the pkgs now
[03:13] <rneese> I need php5
[03:13] <rneese> really 5.3 and 5.3 fpm
[03:17] <sanduz2> yes it is 5.3.3
[03:18] <rneese> I dont fins fpm
[03:18] <rneese> why does php5 install apache
[03:19] <rneese> I only want phpe and some modules
[03:19] <rneese> using nginx and not apache
[03:19] <rneese> its wrong to force apache on a install
[03:19] <rneese> is there a way to only install php5 without apache
[03:20] <sanduz2> i agree, i dont like that either
[03:21] <rneese> is there no way to reject parts and just get what you need
[03:21] <sanduz2> i dont think mine installed apache but i did see it installed some apache files
[03:21] <rneese> The following extra packages will be installed:
[03:21] <rneese>   apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap libcap2 php5-common
[03:21] <rneese>   ssl-cert
[03:21] <rneese> thats just wrong
[03:22] <sanduz2> yea that sucks.id like to remove all that extra crap too
[03:22] <rneese> yeah
[03:22] <rneese> who are the pkg devs
[03:23] <rneese> it needs to be delt with
[03:23] <sanduz2> try in #ubuntu-dev
[03:34] <rneese> is there a plan to upgrade php to 5.3.3 on ubuntu-server 10.04
[03:35] <micahg> rneese: a full version upgrade generally doesn't happen after release
[03:35] <maxb> rneese: If you don't want apache, don't complain, just don't install it
[03:37] <rneese> wemaxb the issue is php should be its own pkg and not force apache with it
[03:37] <maxb> It is.
[03:37] <rneese> then the meta php5 pkg
[03:38] <maxb> And php5-fpm is available in Ubuntu 10.10
[03:39] <micahg> rneese: the meta package is for people that just want the defaults, if you want something else, you need to install the appropriate package from the dependencies first (php5-cgi | php5-fpm) and then install php5 or just install php5-common afterwards
[03:39] <rneese> i dont find php5-fpm for 10.04
[03:39] <micahg> there will always be defaults
[03:39] <sanduz2> whats the difference between php5-cgi and php5-fpm?
[03:39] <micahg> rneese: we already said it's not in 10.04
[03:40] <sanduz2> i read one uses fast-cgi one uses regular cgi, which is most desirable?
[03:42] <rneese> is there a nginx-devel
[03:42] <rneese> this is a old ver of nginx
[03:42] <sanduz2> add the ppa if they have one
[03:42] <micahg> rneese: I think MTecknology is familiar with nginx
[03:42] <MTecknology> howdy
[03:42] <rneese> the ver in the pkgs is old
[03:43] <rneese> from what I have seen
[03:43] <MTecknology> http://wiki.nginx.org/Install
[03:43] <MTecknology> there's a PPA for the latest stable and dev
[03:43] <MTecknology> dev recently moved to stable so development is just a copy
[03:44] <rneese> looking for the ppa
[03:44] <rneese> not finding the ppa
[03:44] <MTecknology> i just gave you a link that gives you the ppa
[03:46] <rneese> ok
[03:46] <MTecknology> rneese: what you said about php.. php-apc depends on some apache pieces and I think a couple other parts of that meta package do too - but php5-fpm and php5-cgi and php5-cli don't
[03:46] <MTecknology> I haven't figured out why the apache deps yet
[03:49] <rneese> ok
[03:50] <rneese> well I just installed 8.52 nginx
[03:50] <rneese> thats the lates
[03:50] <rneese> cool
[03:51] <rneese> it has non of the php stuff in it
[03:51] <rneese> man this layout compaired to bsd is ugly
[03:51] <MTecknology> nginx shouldn't come with php..
[03:52] <MTecknology> they're two separate things
[03:52] <rneese> but the config file should have the php settings in it
[03:52] <rneese> and it does not
[03:53] <MTecknology> yes it does
[03:53] <MTecknology> there's fastcgi_params and an example of how to use it
[03:54] <rneese> http://wiki.fusionpbx.com/index.php?title=Ubuntu_Install#Nginx_Setup
[03:54] <rneese> none of the lines on that page are in the files
[03:54] <MTecknology> well.. for starters...
[03:55] <MTecknology> in the first code block - I already see examples of things you should never ever do
[03:55] <MTecknology> http://wiki.nginx.org/Pitfalls
[03:55] <rneese> well this is right out of a working nginx conf file
[03:56] <rneese> that it was pulled from
[03:56] <MTecknology> ooh! it suggests some REALLY ugly stuff
[03:57] <MTecknology> that stuff is horrible
[03:57] <MTecknology> rneese: read that wiki page I just sent you
[03:58] <rneese> I am and its nothing like we do on bsd . I am doing this on ubuntu virtual box for a friend
[03:59] <rneese> and this is just not what I would expect
[03:59] <MTecknology> bsd guys roll their own package same as anything else
[03:59] <MTecknology> most distros have these pitfalls in them
[04:00] <rneese> we tend to use ports not pkgs
[04:01] <rneese> and the config file layout is diff
[04:02] <MTecknology> here's the thing.....
[04:02] <MTecknology> if you don't like it
[04:02] <MTecknology> file a bug
[04:02] <MTecknology> bugs.launchpad.net/nginx
[04:02] <|rt|> rneese: I think that bsd's have a bit more consistency compared to Linux distro's but different isn't always wrong
[04:03] <twb> Right!  The maintainers can't ignore your bug, or claim that it's a feature, if you don't report it!
[04:04] <MTecknology> :P
[04:04] <|rt|> rneese: the way that Debian and it's derivatives setup their apache config is way different than redhat and it's derivatives....although in that case I think that the redhat way is wrong :)
[04:05] <|rt|> j/k it's just different but I do prefer the way that debian and it's derivatives approach it
[04:05] <MTecknology> |rt|: speaking of which... I really need to chat with the debian nginx maintainer sometime about marging the changes in the ppa..
[04:05] <MTecknology> merging*
[04:08] <rneese> ok
[04:09] <rneese> i have spawn-fcgi installed but not finding the startup script
[04:11] <MTecknology> Just use php-cgi and write your own inti script... or copy/paste from the nginx wiki
[04:11] <MTecknology> the cool new thing is php-fpm
[04:11] <MTecknology> thats in the nginx repos
[04:11] <MTecknology> !info php5-fpm
[04:11] <MTecknology> it's also in 10.10
[04:12] <rneese> but this is only 10.04
[04:12] <rneese> so we opted to use spawn-fcgi
[04:12] <MTecknology> 22:11 < MTecknology> thats in the nginx repos
[04:12] <MTecknology> spawn-fcgi only starts the processes, there's a lot of extra leg work
[04:13] <MTecknology> http://wiki.nginx.org/Configuration
[04:16] <rneese> ok
[04:19] <rneese> ok thanks
[04:24] <MTecknology> rneese: btw - there is #nginx if you need more nginx specific help
[04:24] <rneese> that works
[04:24] <rneese> got it up and the website is working
[04:25] <MTecknology> did you use a socket instead of a port for the php connection?
[04:26] <MTecknology> that tends to make things much cleaner and easier to work with - especially when you get into really funky and weird setups like i have
[04:26] <MTecknology> each website is its own user, each user is inside of a jail, each website uses its own php process, blah, blah
[04:27] <rneese> yes
[05:21] <rneese> MTecknology: its all working thanks
[05:22] <MTecknology> rneese: :)
[05:23] <rneese> its working flawlessly
[05:23] <rneese> and the full install on a vps is 1 gig
[05:29] <spotter> anyone have any idea why ssh wont come up on boot?
[05:29] <spotter> just upgraded from lucid to maverick
[05:29] <spotter> it's a headless box so have to blindly login w/ an attached keyboard and do a /etc/init.d/ssh start to login
[05:29] <jfer> how can i select which packages are installed using a preseed file
[05:29] <spotter> whats stranger is that no services are visible (nmap) before I start ssh
[05:30] <spotter> but after I start ssh they are visible as expected
[05:32] <spotter> that be me uvirtbot
[05:35] <jfer> is it possible to slect which packages are installed using a preseed file for ubuntu server?
[05:39] <ideopathic> anybody have pam-mysql working with vsftpd?  I could use some pointers.
[06:10] <sanduz2> lets say i add a ppa repository and run my webserver from that.  do i need to manually run apt-get update every time i want to check to security updates and such?
[07:34] <RudyValencia> My server offers Ubuntu installation via PXE booting and approx apt package caching :D
[07:34] <RudyValencia> how cool is that?
[07:39] <isbric> does anyone know if xen supports Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid)?
[07:48] <twb> RudyValencia: approx isn't cool at all
[07:48] <RudyValencia> Oh?
[07:48] <RudyValencia> It works for me.
[07:49] <twb> One of them even allows clients to inject arbitrary packages into the cache
[07:49] <RudyValencia> I was considering apt-mirror for my packages but balked at the expensive amount of downloading I'd need to have a mirror of just main
[07:49] <RudyValencia> It's only me using it on my LAN
[07:49] <twb> RudyValencia: main of one arch, one release, no sources is only 8GB or so, IIRC
[07:49] <RudyValencia> Yeah but I'm on a 1.5Mbit/sec connection here
[07:50] <twb> You only download it once
[07:50] <RudyValencia> Right
[07:50] <RudyValencia> But I just don't have a time to let it download.
[07:50] <RudyValencia> It'll eat my connection up.
[07:50] <twb> Er, throttle it.
[07:51] <RudyValencia> So, approx also downloads the packages only once.
[07:51] <tgwoollard> Good morning all. I am trying to setup NIC Bonding in Ubuntu 10.04. In every previous release of Ubuntu i have sucesfully managed to do this by following the instruction in the following guide http://www.howtoforge.com/network_bonding_ubuntu_6.10. Things seem to be slightly different in 10.04 and i am yet to sucesfully manage to bond eth0 and eth1. Well i kind of got it working, but it fails on each subsequent restart. Anyway long story short, i
[07:52] <RudyValencia> I'm not distributing Ubuntu to a computer lab or to a whole organization with this server, just using it for PXE install caching
[07:53] <RudyValencia> (When I finish using my local apt configuration, I just copy over the original sources.list with Ubuntu servers.
[08:22] <_ruben> pfft, mirroring only main is for wussies, i just mirror main/universe/multiverse incl -updated/-backports/-security for gutsy - maverick ;)
[08:35] <andriijas> how do i upgrade to 10.10?  sudo do-release-upgrade says no new version
[08:36] <_ruben> andriijas: check its config, it probably is looking for the next lts, which doesnt exist yet
[08:36] <andriijas> _ruben: which file is this?
[08:40] <_ruben> andriijas: the prompt setting in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[08:40] <_ruben> change lts to normal
[08:41] <andriijas> thx
[09:56] <[Ben]> Hi everybody. I am looking for some help on how to bypass the problem with the P410 raid controller (HP DL370 G6) with ubuntu 64bits, showing no logical disks (and even if I "disable" the raid, seeing no disk at all). Thanks.
[09:57] <jpds> DL370?
[09:58] <[Ben]> Yep
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[09:58] <[Ben]> ACgdeNSj+yFm3Vjq0fDWwzQs26sdUjsq2xSBH3mNiF9KvjrWyOM3wVoWUbeMqfbqfDmfZt1Y6pHZQTmfZt2Y6pHZUaiam1emjyjpmEFR0YKpN2TAiSdUVrY3gEHEYmrD/slZ91Y6pHw0Y3m20BAZbEaoQkflRJ7PmaK5yfZDz2dr3SaFOFjbutoAEQkD1UKAxaZovg4o6hQElgUODijqFATwehwcUdQoCiyKwbOKOoUBHBxQ4MKPoUBHBhQ4MKPoUBHBxQ4OKPoUBHBhQ4MKPoUBHBhQ4MKPoUGEjChWaFB/9k=
[09:59] <[Ben]> -_-
[09:59] <[Ben]> sorry
[09:59] <[Ben]> http://www.quadsel.in/productimages/1260509460.jpg
[09:59] <[Ben]> I have two bays with 8 2,5" drives
[09:59] <jussi> :(
[09:59] <[Ben]> I've looking for a solution, the only valuable thing learned is that it needs cciss to work
[09:59] <[Ben]> it works on 32bits, but failed on 64bits ...
[10:00] <_ruben> that'd be rather odd
[10:00] <[Ben]> I was looking everywhere for 64 bits drivers, but it seems only Red Hat and Suse are able to handle this in 64bits (are they ?)
[10:01] <[Ben]> I have two version of Ubuntu 10.04, 32 and 64bits, the 32 bits shows me the disks, and the 64bits just failed ...
[10:01] <[Ben]> I tried a debian 5.0.6, too (in 64bits) with the same results
[10:03] <jpds> [Ben]: You can't "modprobe cciss" ?
[10:05] <[Ben]> It's when the install is asking me to set the partitions, I can't do a modprobe at this time, can I ?
[10:06] <jpds> Perhaps try moving to another tty?
[10:06] <[Ben]> I'll try this right now. I saw this thing, too : http://cciss.sourceforge.net/
[10:07] <jpds> Last sentence of the first paragraph.
[10:09] <[Ben]> Yes, I can read :p. But still, it doesn't work as advertised in 64bits mode.
[10:09] <[Ben]> I'll try a modprobe (no ssh yet, so I have to go downstairs in the server room, brb)
[10:20] <[Ben]> dmesg : cciss - compat_alloc_user_space
[10:20] <[Ben]> module unknown (he said)
[10:30] <jpds> [Ben]: Weird.
[10:33] <[Ben]> as you said ...
[10:34] <[Ben]> What surprise me the most is that NOBODY is talking about this problem. Like I am the first to install ubuntu on a Proliant with this fairly known controller
[10:34] <alvin> So, the cciss module isn't loaded? Or not available at all?
[10:41] <[Ben]> how can I know ? It just said what I showed you
[10:41] <[Ben]> shown (?)
[10:41] <ivoks-afk> dl370 is certified to work on ubuntu
[10:41] <[Ben]> Yes I know ...
[10:41] <ivoks> ScottK: no :/
[10:41] <[Ben]> but maybe Ubuntu 32bits (it works on Ubuntu 32bits)
[10:41] <ivoks> nope, 64bit
[10:42] <ivoks> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/200804-267/
[10:42] <ivoks> which version are you installing?
[10:42] <[Ben]> It's the tower version, the "ML"
[10:42] <[Ben]> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server
[10:42] <[Ben]> 64bits ("amd")
[10:43] <ivoks> cciss module is available in ubuntu 10.04 64bit
[10:44] <ivoks> [Ben]: do you have access to this server? like, keyboard and VGA?
[10:44] <ivoks> [Ben]: no private messages
[10:45] <jpds> [Ben]: Is this a DL370 or ML370 ?
[10:48] <ivoks> [Ben]: you'll gave to site in front of that server or setup an installer with network access
[10:48] <ivoks> s/gave/have/
[10:49] <[Ben]> It's a DL 370 G6
[10:51] <ivoks> can you start the installer and sit in front of the server?
[10:52] <[Ben]> Yep
[10:52] <ivoks> do it
[10:52] <[Ben]> I'll move with a laptop downstairs
[10:52] <[Ben]> brb
[11:02] <[Ben]_> back
[11:02] <[Ben]_> @ivoks : I am in front of the DL 370 G6
[11:02] <ivoks> [Ben]_: start the installer
[11:03] <[Ben]_> done
[11:03] <ivoks> did you get to the partitioning?
[11:03] <[Ben]_> Yes
[11:03] <ivoks> alt+f2
[11:04] <[Ben]_> ok
[11:04] <[Ben]_> shell active
[11:04] <ivoks> is cciss module loaded?
[11:04] <ivoks> lsmod | grep cciss
[11:04] <[Ben]_> nothing appears
[11:05] <ivoks> modinfo cciss
[11:05] <ivoks> is cciss there?
[11:05] <[Ben]_> (test : /bin/sh: modinfo : not found)
[11:05] <ivoks> you should get a lot of output
[11:06] <ivoks> hm
[11:06] <ivoks> modprobe cciss
[11:06] <[Ben]_> FATAL : error inserting cciss (/lib/modules/2.6.32-24-generic/kernel/drivers/block/cciss.ko):
[11:06] <[Ben]_> Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[11:07] <ivoks> heh?
[11:07] <[Ben]_> dmesg : cciss : unknown symbol compat_alloc_user_space
[11:08] <ivoks> what image did you download?
[11:08] <ivoks> 10.04 or 10.04.1?
[11:08] <[Ben]_> I think 10.04 lts, I'll check
[11:08] <[Ben]_> how to tell ? (I know for debian)
[11:08] <ivoks> by the image name? :)
[11:09] <[Ben]_> lol
[11:09] <ivoks> you have the image on your laptop?
[11:09] <[Ben]_> nope
[11:09] <[Ben]_> but can scan the USB drive on the server
[11:09] <ivoks> does anyone know which kernel is in 10.04 and which in 10.04.1?
[11:10] <[Ben]_> 10.04.1
[11:10] <ivoks> hm... ok
[11:10] <ivoks> would it be a pain to try 10.04?
[11:10] <[Ben]_> I can try the 10.10 out today (?) :D
[11:11] <[Ben]_> No, I can just download it and make different USB drives, I am stuck with a non-working server, so I'll give a try
[11:11] <ivoks> do it
[11:12] <[Ben]_> I tried Debian 5.0.6 64bits and it didn't work (for your information)
[11:12] <[Ben]_> SO you want me to try the 10.04 and/or the 10.10 ?
[11:12] <ivoks> 10.04
[11:12] <ivoks> cciss loads on my 64bit lucid
[11:12] <Aison> how can I get my ldap back :(
[11:13] <Aison> bdb(dc=alvhaus,dc=ch): Program version 4.8 doesn't match environment version 4.7
[11:13] <ivoks> Aison: ?
[11:13] <Aison> I no longer can start ldap because of this error
[11:13] <Aison> and so I get segfaults in nss
[11:13] <Aison> etc...
[11:13] <ivoks> Aison: what ubuntu version is that?
[11:13] <Aison> the new one
[11:13] <Aison> 10.10
[11:13] <ivoks> environment version?
[11:13] <ivoks> what's that...
[11:14] <Aison> no idea
[11:14] <ivoks> my slapd starts just fine
[11:14] <ivoks> is this a new install or upgrade?
[11:14] <Aison> upgrade
[11:15] <ivoks> slapd is compiled with libdb-4.8
[11:15] <[Ben]_> Why upgrade when it works :p ?
[11:16] <ivoks> now, where would it pick up 4.7 as an environment version
[11:16] <Aison> I guess the database files are from 4.7
[11:17] <ivoks> probably
[11:17] <Aison> so the environment version of the database files have to be upgraded also
[11:17] <Aison> there should be a tool like db_recover or so
[11:17] <ivoks> db4.8-util
[11:17] <ivoks> but
[11:17] <ivoks> don't do that yet
[11:18] <ivoks> do you have /etc/ldap/slapd.conf maybe?
[11:18] <tgwoollard> Good morning all. I am unsucesfully tyring to setup NIC Bonding in Ubuntu 10.04. I managed this with ease in prior releases. In 10.04 the bond appears to work, but then fails to come up on subsequent reboots. Is anyone able to advise on a possible "how to" for Ubuntu 10.04? Many Thanks
[11:19] <Aison> ivoks, no, just /etc/ldap/slapd.d/
[11:19] <Aison> there's my config
[11:19] <ivoks> tgwoollard: that's probably cause of upstart
[11:20] <ivoks> Aison: do you have some custom files there?
[11:21] <tgwoollard> ivoks thanks. I'll have a dig and see if i can get it working.
[11:21] <Aison> ivoks, well, I added new schemas, added stuff for ldap replication, etc...
[11:22] <ivoks> Aison: is 4.7 mentioned anywhere? :)
[11:22] <Aison> grepping...
[11:23] <Aison> no
[11:24] <ivoks> hm
[11:24] <ivoks> db4.8_upgrade: Program version 4.8 doesn't match environment version 4.7
[11:26] <JamesPage> ivoks, Aison:  bug 658227 details a workaround for this issue; the newer version of slapd in Maverick uses 4.8
[11:26] <JamesPage> however the version in Lucid uses 4.7 (and the upgrade does not accomodate this)
[11:26] <Aison> oh, thx
[11:27] <Aison> JamesPage, the funny thing is, I get segfaults on other places, because libnssldap is not working ;)  that's not nice also
[11:27] <ivoks> Aison: there's a workaround how to fix it
[11:28] <Aison> yes, upgrading to 4.8 ;)
[11:28] <ivoks> oh, i see... JamesPage pasted the link :)
[11:28] <ivoks> this is how you should do it
[11:29] <ivoks> stop slapd
[11:29] <ivoks> install db4.7-util and db4.8-util
[11:29] <ivoks> go to /var/lib
[11:29] <ivoks> copy ldap to ldap.backup
[11:29] <ivoks> run db4.7_checkpoint -1
[11:29] <ivoks> then db4.7_recover
[11:30] <ivoks> then db4.8_upgrade *.bdb log.*
[11:30] <ivoks> er.... no log.* :)
[11:30] <ivoks> just db4.8_upgrade *.bdb
[11:31] <ivoks> we should export database on update
[11:32] <ivoks> clean it, and import it on install
[11:36] <Aison> ivoks, my ldap is working again
[11:36] <Aison> :)
[11:36] <Aison> had to upgrade var/lib/ldap/accesslog also
[11:37] <ivoks> that's replication log, i guess
[11:37] <Aison> yes
[11:38] <ivoks> problem solved
[11:38] <JamesPage> \o/
[11:38] <ivoks> we should fix this in natty and maybe even backport to lucid and maverick
[11:39] <JamesPage> Its been raised as a SRU for Maverick
[11:41] <ivoks> fix is available?
[11:41] <JamesPage> Not yet
[11:41] <ivoks> then how can we have sru? :)
[11:42] <JamesPage> /SRU/potential SRU/
[11:42] <ivoks> ok
[11:48] <ivoks> hm... everything needed is already in the package
[12:19] <[Ben]_> @ivoks : running 10.10 Ubuntu with HP DL370 G6 seems to be ok !
[12:19] <[Ben]_> I can see the drives
[12:20] <[Ben]_> Two possibilities :
[12:20] <[Ben]_> 1) the usb key installation is not suitable for this kind of product (hdd layers incompatibility ?)
[12:20] <[Ben]_> 2) The Usb Key installation was corrupted (I MD5(
[12:21] <[Ben]_> I MD5ed the iso of the 10.04 LTS before using the tool to put it on a usb Key
[12:21] <[Ben]_> Anyway, God bless Ubuntu 10.10 :p
[12:21] <[Ben]_> Thank you for your help and see you soon
[12:32] <Aison> for several weeks, I changed the motherboard / cpu in one of my servers
[12:34] <Aison> its a 64bit cpu now, but the system of course is still running on 32bit
[12:35] <Aison> is there a way to change to 64bit? eg. install a new harddrive, install new ubuntu and the copy somehow the whole configuration and install the same packages?
[12:41] <Aison> brb
[12:44] <[Ben]_> it's really complicated due to the facts that all the drivers are written in 64bits instead of 32bits
[12:44] <[Ben]_> so your software and /home, etc can be "imported", sure
[12:44] <[Ben]_> but for packages and drivers, it's a different thing, in my opinion (depending on the software)
[12:50] <xxfog> Hi guys, I got a question. I installed ubuntu server edition some days ago and configured a softwareraid 1 on 2x 1TB hdd drives - I had to set the partitions on both HDDs when installing software raid 1 - now one of the HDD crashes and I want to install a new HDD (also a hdd from another manufacturer) as second drive again, but how do have to install it? Will the sync-prozess start itself or...
[12:50] <xxfog> ...will i have to start it manually? do I have to set the partions before the installation of the hdd by hand?
[12:51] <xxfog> Or will raid set the new partitions itsself?
[13:00] <qman__> xxfog, you need to create a partition on the drive the same size as your other one, of type linux raid autodetect, then use mdadm to add it to your array
[13:01] <qman__> it will then rebuild itself
[13:03] <qman__> xxfog, tutorial here, start at number 4: http://www.howtoforge.com/replacing_hard_disks_in_a_raid1_array
[13:03] <qman__> skipping the bits about md1, if you only have one raid
[13:05] <ivoks> [Ben]_: it should work with lucid
[13:12] <daffy_dowden> Hi all, can anyone tell me how I'd locate my php install location on a server? I've tried locate php, and trawled through all that, and also whereis php, but nothing appears
[13:12] <ivoks> daffy_dowden: you are new to linux?
[13:12] <daffy_dowden> ish
[13:13] <daffy_dowden> I thought it'd be in /etc
[13:13] <qman__> only configuration files go in /etc
[13:13] <ivoks> you do know how programs are installed on linux? there's no single directory
[13:13] <daffy_dowden> I'm aware of that
[13:13] <daffy_dowden> So how can I find the executable?
[13:13] <ivoks> so, what exactly are you looking for? executable?
[13:13] <ivoks> which php
[13:13] <qman__> which php
[13:14] <daffy_dowden> which doesn't return anything, as mentioned
[13:14] <ivoks> then you didn't install php CLI executable
[13:14] <ivoks> install php-cli or php5-cli package
[13:14] <daffy_dowden> ok, so how are the php sites on the server being run?
[13:14] <daffy_dowden> that's what I don't get
[13:15] <qman__> through mod_php
[13:15] <ivoks> apache's mod_php
[13:15] <jumbers> They run though an apache module
[13:15] <daffy_dowden> right, ok
[13:15] <pmatulis> maybe he should tell us why he's "looking for php"
[13:15] <daffy_dowden> and that can't be run directly?
[13:15] <jumbers> Are you trying to execute a PHP file via the terminal?
[13:15] <daffy_dowden> yes
[13:15] <jumbers> Then you need php-cli
[13:15] <qman__> then you need php5-cli
[13:15] <jumbers> Or that
[13:15] <daffy_dowden> cheers
[13:15] <ivoks> then you need php-cli :)
[13:15] <pmatulis> then you need php-cli
[13:16] <ivoks> you might want to consider php5-clie
[13:16] <ivoks> cli
[13:16] <ivoks> :)
[13:16] <pmatulis> next!
[13:16] <daffy_dowden> lol
[13:16] <jumbers> I don't even see php-cli available in my aptitude, I think the only package left is php5-cli
[13:17] <daffy_dowden> If i install php5-cli will apache still use mod_php then?
[13:17] <jumbers> Yes
[13:17] <daffy_dowden> good
[13:17] <jumbers> It's just another method of using php
[13:18] <daffy_dowden> out of curiosity, could you force it to use another method?
[13:18] <jumbers> There's php-cgi I believe
[13:19] <daffy_dowden> Would that run as a daemon?
[13:19] <daffy_dowden> Like if I were hosting say a python site with fastcgi and nginx?
[13:19] <jumbers> I don't know, you'd have to ask somebody that has experience with php-cgi
[13:20] <daffy_dowden> fair enough. Thanks for the help
[13:21] <ivoks> there's fastcgi
[13:22] <ivoks> and fcgid
[13:22] <daffy_dowden> and you can use those with php5 like you would with say python or ruby
[13:23] <daffy_dowden> ?
[13:24] <ivoks> yes
[13:25] <ivoks> it's better for performance and server
[13:25] <ivoks> but it lacks some features
[13:25] <daffy_dowden> ahh cool
[13:25] <ivoks> you can't use .htaccess for example
[13:25] <daffy_dowden> right
[13:25] <ivoks> (with php values)
[13:25] <daffy_dowden> that makes sense
[13:26] <daffy_dowden> Do you know why it's better for performance vs mod_php?
[13:26] <ivoks> cause apache doesn't start with php module every time someone vistis your website
[13:27] <daffy_dowden> I see, thanks
[13:28] <jumbers> Is there a way to disable SSH password authentication for a specific user? I want to switch my user account over to public key authentication, but I have 2 other users that I don't want to affect by disabling password auth
[13:28] <ivoks> and then you don't have to use apache prefork, which is slower than apache worker
[13:28] <pmatulis> jumbers: yes
[13:29] <jumbers> pmatulis: How would I go about doing so?
[13:29] <pmatulis> jumbers: man sshd_config and investigate the Match keyword
[13:29] <daffy_dowden> what's the difference between prefork and worker?
[13:29] <ivoks> daffy_dowden: prefork is used only cause of php
[13:30] <ivoks> daffy_dowden: how many cpus do you have?
[13:30] <daffy_dowden> on this server - 1cpu 4 cores
[13:30] <ivoks> that's 4 cpus
[13:30] <jumbers> pmatulis: Thanks
[13:30] <ivoks> worker scales better than prefork
[13:31] <ivoks> prefork is not threaded (cause php doesn't support it)
[13:31] <xxfog> qman__: there are 3 partitions but i don`t know there size for sure. so i should better control the working harddrive and add same partitions on the new drive right?
[13:31] <ivoks> while worker is threaded and therefor scales much better
[13:32] <daffy_dowden> so say a site I had on this machine were to become incredibly popular, it'd be better to use fastcgi to get the benefits of the multiple cores?
[13:32] <qman__> xxfog, the command given on that tutorial will copy the partition scheme from the working drive to the new one
[13:32] <ivoks> daffy_dowden: yes
[13:32] <ivoks> daffy_dowden: and varnish
[13:32] <daffy_dowden> is that similar to memcached?
[13:33] <ivoks> no, varnish is reverse proxy
[13:33] <daffy_dowden> ah ok
[13:33] <ivoks> with varnish and static content, your server will be able to provide, almost, unlimited connections
[13:33] <daffy_dowden> right
[13:34] <ivoks> for more info, my bank account is... :)
[13:34] <jdstrand> soren: hi! would you mind looking at and commenting on my patch for bug #659532 ?
[13:34] <daffy_dowden> so, if I understand this right, a request would come through varnish first, then if it's static get served via apache worker, if dynamic go via a fastcgi thread?
[13:35] <daffy_dowden> ivoks: lol
[13:35]  * soren buries his head in shame
[13:35] <zul> soren: what did you do now?
[13:36] <soren> zul: 12:34 < jdstrand> soren: hi! would you mind looking at and commenting on my patch for bug #659532 ?
[13:36] <zul> soren: ah yeah :)
[13:36] <ivoks> :]
[13:37] <ivoks> daffy_dowden: if it's static, it will be served by varnish, which cached it
[13:38] <daffy_dowden> ivoks: cool, otherwise it goes to the app server, in this case fastcgi, right?
[13:39] <ivoks> right
[13:40] <daffy_dowden> thanks man, much appreciated!
[13:40] <Riddell> jiboumans: who from your team can join us for this UDS session? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appselection-server-n-kolab
[13:40] <xxfog> qman__: so i can insert a blank new hdd without setting up the partitions of type raid?
[13:41] <soren> jdstrand: Looks lovely.
[13:42] <jdstrand> soren: cool, thanks. so, one thing I wanted to be sure about was --raw. I had a time figuring out how to properly use it. I'd like to make sure I use libvirtxml_fsimage.tmpl. what is an invocation that would?
[13:44] <soren> jdstrand: Create a 5G disk image. Pass it to vmbuilder with the --raw arg.
[13:44] <soren> jdstrand: It basically just tells vmbuilder to use that file (or device) instead of creating a new one.
[13:45] <jdstrand> soren: right. I thought I did that in some iteration of the patch before I modified libvirtxml_fsimage.tmpl and saw qcow2 pop in there (ie, it used libvirtxml.tmpl
[13:46] <jdstrand> soren: but I won't be able to reproduce that at this point, so I could have jacked something up
[13:47] <jdstrand> soren: alright, cool. thanks for your help :) I'll take care of maverick and lucid (when it is required). can you handle natty if you are doing a separate upload rather than a pocket copy (I can do a pocket copy)?
[13:48] <[Ben]_>  @all : ubuntu 10.10 server installing process on DL 370 G6 (hp), seems to be blocked - 83% on "configuration of Linux-image-2.6.35-22-server"
[13:48] <soren> jdstrand: Better do a pocket copy for now (althought I doubt anyone is running natty anyway).
[13:48] <[Ben]_> other tty reachable but no pertinent info
[13:48] <jdstrand> soren: sure, np
[13:48] <RoyK> [Ben]_: just curious, but why would you be running a non-LTS release on a server?
[13:49] <[Ben]_> @RoyK because LTS didn't recognize my P410i raid controller ...
[13:51] <Jeeves_> RoyK: Because you sometimes need newer software than available ?
[13:51] <RoyK> [Ben]_: k
[13:52] <RoyK> Jeeves_: well, obviously, but mostly the 'old' software works just as well, and I wanted to ask in case he was making a mistake
[13:52] <[Ben]_> Anyway I am stucked with a non-working raid controler or a non-installing system :D
[13:54] <pmatulis> [Ben]_: did you already say what make and model of server this is?
[13:54] <[Ben]_> HP DL 370 G6 (P410i and P410 controler)
[13:54] <pmatulis> [Ben]_: k
[13:55] <[Ben]_> cciss driver not loading with 10.04.1, will try to download the ISO again (but was "sure" it was ok because of the MD5 hash)
[14:02] <david506> I did not find an apparmor profile for RoundCube Webmail for my Ubuntu 10.04 server, therefore I plan to write my own profile. Where can I list the profile once it is completed so other people don't have to redo the same work?
[14:03] <toshko> Hi I'm trying to make Pacemaker start my KVM/QEMU machine but it gives me an error. I suppose the reason is that the init script is not OCF or LSB compatible, but up-start. Is there any VirtualDomain resource for up-start jobs? Or am I completely wrong?
[14:05] <toshko> I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 by the way.
[14:05] <ivoks> david506: submit a bug with feature request
[14:05] <ivoks> toshko: i didn't understand your question
[14:05] <ivoks> toshko: do you have problems with starting upstart or virtualdomain resource?
[14:05] <david506> ivoks : thanks
[14:06] <ivoks> starting pacemaker :/
[14:08] <toshko> as I understood the "virtualdomain" resource of pacemaker tries to start/monitor/stop the libvirt-bin "init" script, which is in fact converted to upstart job in ubuntu 10.04
[14:08] <ivoks> virtualdomain? hm... i don't think so
[14:08] <ivoks> let me check
[14:09] <toshko> as i see there is no support for upstart jobs (only for LSB/OCF) scripts in the pacemaker
[14:10] <ivoks> VirtualDomain RA doesn't check if libvirt is running
[14:10] <ivoks> you should make sure it's running
[14:11] <ivoks> you can start it manually, with anything RA or upstart plugin for cluster-agents
[14:11] <ivoks> cluster-glue
[14:11] <ivoks> fsck...
[14:11] <ivoks> i belive i've created packages for lucid, that support upstart
[14:11] <ivoks> let me check
[14:11] <david506> I notice that Ubuntu 10.04 does not come with IPTables enabled with rules by default, I was surprised by this decision as IPTables adds an important layer of security. Is there a Wiki article discussing not activating IPTables by default in detail ? THanks
[14:12] <jpds> david506: Erm, some people would rather choose which firewall software they'd like to use instead?
[14:12] <jpds> david506: ie, Shorewall, ufw, ...
[14:12] <david506> The same could be said about apparmor vs selinux, no ?
[14:12] <jpds> (Not saying that they shouldn't use iptables).
[14:12] <ivoks> it's not the same
[14:13] <ivoks> iptables is enabled
[14:13] <david506> ok
[14:13] <ivoks> you can use
[14:13] <ivoks> it
[14:13] <ivoks> but no one can give you sane default that will protect you
[14:13] <pmatulis> [Ben]_: the DL380 G7 is fully certified by Canonical.  this system uses a P410i
[14:13] <david506> Ok
[14:13] <ivoks> it's up to sysadmin to create its own rules
[14:13] <ivoks> and by default, all ports are closed
[14:14] <ivoks> so, what would you firewall by default? :)
[14:14] <pmatulis> [Ben]_: please open a bug if you can't get it to work
[14:14] <jdstrand> david506: ivoks is right. however, ufw is installed by default and if you want to add firewall protection, you need only do 'sudo ufw enable'. see man ufw for details
[14:14] <jpds> [Ben]_: Bug would be best; a DL380 G6 I admin has a P410i controller and it Just Works.
[14:15] <ivoks> toshko: is libvirt running?
[14:15] <jdstrand> david506: it will make some decisions for you (that you can customize later if desired)
[14:15] <ivoks> toshko: by default, it should
[14:15] <david506> New question, I have 6 servers. 1 public net Squid reverse proxy, 2 private net web servers ( feed squid ), 2 private net database servers ( feed web server ) and 1 webmail/SMTP/POP3/IMAP server. Should the mail server be public or private? If it's private, should I use the squid machine with iptables to forward appropriate ports using NAT MASQUERADING ?
[14:15] <ewook> ufw might be nice on desktops.. but running it on a server causes (at least for me ) a real mess rule-wise.
[14:15] <toshko> well it's running when i start it
[14:15] <jdstrand> david506: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#UFW
[14:16] <jdstrand> ewook: how so?
[14:16] <david506> thanks jdstrand
[14:16] <toshko> but isn't the idea the resource to start it on the second machine when the first falls down
[14:16] <ewook> jdstrand: the rules thats generated via ufw isn't how I would do them myself :)
[14:16] <ivoks> toshko: it is, but VirtualDomain RA starts and stops VMs, not the libvirt
[14:17] <david506> the text under UFW answers my original question about not enable iptables by default. It makes sense.
[14:17] <jdstrand> ewook: can you elaborate?
[14:17] <ewook> jdstrand: also, the order and the really... almost stupid chain-layout isn't something I like either.
[14:17] <ivoks> jdstrand: :)
[14:17] <pmatulis> ouch
[14:17] <ivoks> jdstrand: relax...
[14:17] <ivoks> jdstrand: don't swear
[14:17] <jdstrand> ewook: what order? you can change the order with 'insert'
[14:17] <toshko> ivoks: thanks, then i missunderstood
[14:18] <david506> I was told that I needed a firewall anyway as there are many IP based protocols that don't rely on open ports
[14:18] <ivoks> toshko: upstart plugin was developed for pacemaker
[14:18] <toshko> ivoks: so what is the script VirtualDomain monitors?
[14:18] <ewook> jdstrand: sure I can. but it's still a mess how ever you choose to see it.
[14:18] <ivoks> toshko: i just can't find it :)
[14:18] <ivoks> toshko: it monitors VM
[14:19] <jdstrand> ewook: you are of course free to not use ufw. if you aren't going to provide useful comments, it cannot be improved
[14:19] <david506> I'll be back in twenty minutes
[14:20] <ewook> jdstrand: I will provide useful comments when I am able and have time for it. Just a penny regarding using ufw and other "smart" wrappers for iptables.
[14:20] <toshko> ivoks: well if it does not monitor the "libvirt-bin" script, then i shouldn't need upstart job resource
[14:21] <toshko> ivoks: how does it monitor the VMs?
[14:21] <ivoks> toshko: that's right
[14:21] <ivoks> toshko: look at the RA, it's a shell script
[14:22] <toshko> ivoks: ok thanks very much :-). Will do!
[14:29] <[Ben]_> @all : unable to boot the 10.04.1-server-amd64.iso writen on CD
[14:30] <[Ben]_> has anyone the same problem ? I burned two different CDs with two different burners. 10.10 is fine and 10.04.1 on USB Key is ok (but faulty for other things)
[14:33] <ivoks> unable to boot?
[14:36] <_ruben> pxe boot/install ftw ;)
[14:53] <toshko> ivoks: I've looked at the RA and it seems that it uses virsh to monitor and stop/start the VM. Thanks :-)
[15:00] <techbreak> hi
[15:00] <techbreak> I installed ubuntu-server in my laptop but I dont know to work on it.. how to setup a home server for six systems?
[15:01] <techbreak> is there any way to work GUI in ubuntu-server?
[15:03] <Nyxation> techbreak: Well, you could install one, but it's not really recommended with it being a server and all.
[15:04] <techbreak> Nyxation, where can I get good how to's or tutorial for ubuntu-server? for setting up home server?
[15:04]  * patdk-wk wonders exactly what is the definition of a homeserver
[15:06] <Nyxation> techbreak: That really depends on what you're going to be using it for.
[15:06] <_ruben> patdk-wk: a server that resides in a home? :)
[15:06] <patdk-wk> heh :)
[15:06] <techbreak> Nyxation, I wanna setup a server among six systems at my home.. any suggestions?
[15:07] <patdk-wk> my *home server* does dns, dhcp, tftp, ftp, smb, nfs, mythtv, bgp, ospf, http, https, ssh, ipsec, iscsi, auth, ntp, (hmm, sure I'm missing a few)
[15:08] <patdk-wk> techbreak, to do what? act as a firewall? fileserver? webserver? ....
[15:08] <patdk-wk> normally your have an howto for each one
[15:08] <techbreak> patdk-wk, webserver
[15:09] <techbreak> patdk-wk, and if its possible together with firewall too
[15:09] <patdk-wk> well, webserver almost doesn't even warrent a howto these days
[15:09] <patdk-wk> firewall though, can be more complex, depending on how you want to do it, with dhcp/dns and whatnot
[15:17] <hggdh> Daviey: I am proposing we close bug 610987 INVALID
[15:26] <ttx> hggdh: o/
[15:28] <ttx> Was about to file a other-server-n-sq spec catchall for UDS, to cover "QA workflow redux", "Foundations bug triage overlap", "SRU tracking", potentially more apport hooks etc.
[15:28] <ttx> hggdh: want to file it or should I ?
[15:28] <ttx> hggdh: looks like we'll have a separate one for testing autmation (the hudson stuff) and another for UEC testing
[15:29] <ttx> I meant other-server-n-qa
[15:30] <hggdh> ttx: give me a minute, have to digest what you said
[15:31] <hggdh> ttx: what about renaming the UEC testing to Cloud testing?
[15:32] <ttx> hggdh: cloud is a bit vague. UEC is more precise
[15:32] <ttx> hggdh: but whoever files it gets to decide how he names it
[15:33] <ttx> hggdh: want me to file the Server QA catchall session ?
[15:34] <ttx> (you'll probably lead it) :)
[15:34] <hggdh> ttx: please do, and we can then discuss all involved
[15:34] <ttx> sure
[15:34] <jauntypaperclip> Hey folks, I have a quick question. Running a file server and I'm trying to change permissions. So far I did sudo chgrp %groupname% %foldername%, sudo chown %username% %foldername%, and finally sudo chmod 770 %foldername% the problem is that the permissions don't carry over to the subfolders. how can I change the subfolder access? couldn't find much on it but I may not be searching for the right thing online.
[15:34] <jauntypaperclip> thanks!
[15:34]  * hggdh is unsure on what has been going on
[15:35] <hggdh> jauntypaperclip: sudo chown -r and chmod -r
[15:35] <alvin> jauntypaperclip: The -R option will do that (see man chgrp)
[15:35] <jauntypaperclip> OH! recursive duh thank you!
[15:35] <hggdh> oops -R, not -r... thanks alvin for the correction
[15:35] <jauntypaperclip> duh on my end. thanks folks
[15:36] <alvin> I love case sensitivity :-)
[15:36] <RoyK> wtf is this console-kit-daemon?
[15:36] <hggdh> heh
[15:41] <spotter> did something change in nfs between lucid and maverick?
[15:41] <spotter> my exports had to change
[15:41] <spotter> have to have an export for each mount point on server instead of just using the crossmnt option
[15:48] <kinygos> hi...i've installed dovecot+postfix on my ubuntu 10.04 server...i need to create a mailbox for webmaster@mydomain.com, but the documents are baffling, probably because i'm missing one simple bit of understanding...do i need to create a ubuntu user called webmaster then do something to it?
[15:51] <RoyK> spotter: can you pastebin old/new fstab?
[15:51] <RoyK> !pastebin
[15:52] <spotter> export
[15:53] <spotter> not fstab
[15:53] <spotter> at least all I did was change something on server
[15:53] <kinygos> can anyone give me a hint so i can narrow down the docs i'm reading in trying to understand this...would webmaster be a virtual user for dovecot?
[15:55] <RoyK> wtf. I can't find _any_ references to console-kit-daemon under /etc, but still the bastard starts on every bloody bootup
[15:58] <pmatulis> RoyK: maybe /etc/ConsoleKit
[16:03] <DormantOden> hey, what can I use to connect to a vpn on an ubuntu server?
[16:05] <pmatulis> DormantOden: openvpn is pretty good
[16:05] <DormantOden> (should of said pptp vpn :P)
[16:05] <DormantOden> found pptp-linux, that the only one?
[16:06] <kinygos> ignore my question...i created a ubuntu user...seemed the mailbox was already configured...the simplicity is totally awesome :)  just hope the security is ok
[16:14] <Todd> DormantOden: vpnc if it's cisco
[16:15] <dryliketoast> hello all - could someone help me with an apache/php problem?
[16:20] <dryliketoast> does anyone actually chat on this server? lol
[16:20] <ivoks> no
[16:21] <ivoks>  /list will tell you how few of us are here
[16:22] <dryliketoast> thanks for the tip ivoks
[16:22] <ivoks> be careful with that command
[16:23] <Pici> dryliketoast: There are a bunch of Apache and PHP specific channels.  If you ask your actual question here you're more liklely to get a response.
[16:23] <Pici> (Also, you should be using alis , not /list.   /msg alis help list)
[16:25] <ivoks> #ubuntu is the only channel with 1000+ users :)
[16:25] <Pici> No, there are others.
[16:25] <Pici> But Ubuntu is the largest.
[16:25] <ivoks>  /m alis LIST * -min 1000 said so
[16:27] <Pici> ivoks: oh, nevermind then
[16:27] <dryliketoast> i managed to get to the bottom of my problem on another channel - thanks all for helping an IRC n00b :)
[16:28] <ivoks> well, you didn't ask the question here at all
[16:30] <ttx> SpamapS: around ?
[16:30] <zul> ivoks: yes #ubuntu is really useful as well
[16:37] <SpamapS> ttx: o/
[16:39] <ttx> SpamapS: mumble ?
[16:45] <SpamapS> ttx: on now, sorry, forgot i had tea brewing ;)
[16:49] <DormantOden> anyone good with iptables?
[16:50] <DormantOden> I want to pass traffic from a certain port range to a vpn =)
[16:52] <kinygos> hi...apologies for the n00b question...my server has a silly hostname...what are the consequences of me changing this?  i believe i need to change something in /etc/hosts too although that doesn't contain any reference to the name in /etc/hostname
[16:53] <digitolx> is server 10.10 an lts release?
[16:54] <qman__> no
[16:55] <jauntypaperclip> Hey awesome peeps, I have one more question. I'm trying to set up a group for my file server. I currently have access however another windows machine that I'm using does not. I tried doing sudo chown ubuntuserveruser /srv/samba/share/group folder, sudo chgrp groupname /srv/samba/share/group folder, sudo chmod 770 /srv/samba/share/group folder I ensured that the other user is added to the group but no dice. Please and th
[16:55] <kinygos> ok...i'll try to be less vague...does anyone know if i change the server hostname, will i need to re-install or re-configure apache2, postgresql, postfix, dovecot?
[16:56] <jauntypaperclip> ^ to add where ever you see a space I backslashed to accept the space
[16:56] <jauntypaperclip> just to add, to add where ever you see a space I backslashed to accept the space
[16:59] <m1r> Hello
[17:02] <m1r1>  hello, i am trying to install ubuntu 10.04.1 x64 server, downloaded server image several times and burn on few cd/dvd and it always halts on "starting up partitioner 47%". tried on 2 diferent PC same result. is there a option to try install from USB key or from net ? any help is appriciated
[17:03] <erimar77> m1r1: have you compared md5sums for the downloaded file?
[17:04] <qman__> and the burned disc?
[17:04] <qman__> that's the best way to verify it
[17:05] <m1r1> i have not verify file or disc, how could i do that ?
[17:06] <erimar77> what kind of operating system is the iso located on?  linux/windows?
[17:06] <m1r1> 1st was on linux, now on windows
[17:06] <m1r1> both same error on partitioner 47%
[17:07] <erimar77> window's doesn't have md5sum installed, if you can run it on a linux box, the command is md5sum <filename> then it'll generate a number for you
[17:07] <m1r1> erimar77: sadly , no linux box available here :/
[17:08] <erimar77> m1r1: sure, something like this can work http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/
[17:08] <erimar77> m1r1: and the list of hashes is here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[17:09] <erimar77> basically, it verifies that nothing was corrupted in transit
[17:09] <m1r1> erimar77: if somthing was corupted in transit, how much is posibility that it breaks on same location in install ?
[17:10] <erimar77> couldn't tell you
[17:10] <erimar77> this is step one... the easiest to figure out
[17:10] <m1r1> erimar77: i will redownload again and then verify before burning
[17:10] <m1r1> many thanks m8
[17:13] <erimar77> m1r1: another thing to try is a generic desktop version and see if you can get to the "try it out" desktop
[17:13] <qman__> if the numbers don't match, your download is corrupt or incomplete
[17:13] <qman__> which can cause any number of problems
[17:16] <kinygos> is there a reason why apache2-ssl-certificate missing from ubuntu server 10.04?  have i not installed something, or is this still an open issue?
[17:18] <kinygos> nevermind...i've found what looks like a useful doc on help.ubuntu.com
[17:18] <jauntypaperclip> Hey awesome peeps, I have one more question. I'm trying to set up a group for my file server. I currently have access however another windows machine that I'm using does not. I tried doing sudo chown ubuntuserveruser /srv/samba/share/group folder, sudo chgrp groupname /srv/samba/share/group folder, sudo chmod 770 /srv/samba/share/group folder I ensured that the other user is added to the group but no dice. Please and th
[17:18] <Overand> Hmm.  I've just migrated a filesystem, but need to 'fix grub' - i.e. install it.
[17:18] <Overand> i.e. I added a new drive to a system, copied the root FS, fixed the fstab, etc etc - but I don't know how to straighten out the bootloader.
[17:20] <Overand> I'm currently in the installer 'rescue' mode, no root FS loaded.
[17:22] <Overand> ..oh, there's a helper in the installer.
[17:26] <digitolx> how bad is it to use the maverick repository from lucid to maverick to upgrade the cups package?
[17:26] <digitolx> what type of problems can I expect?
[17:28] <qman__> very, very bad problems
[17:28] <qman__> your package versions will get horribly messed up
[17:28] <qman__> if you're going to go that far, manually download the cups packages you want and install them with dpkg
[17:28] <qman__> don't add a maverick repository to lucid
[17:31] <NoobFukaire> ubuntu lucid server appears to be blocking udp ports by default for some reason
[17:31] <NoobFukaire> I'm starting freeradius and if I use any port but the official freeradius port, its fine
[17:32] <NoobFukaire> okay my bad
[17:32] <NoobFukaire> it's something stupid freeretard is doing
[17:43] <alcy> folks, isn't there a way to do a echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward using sudo and not sudo su - ?
[17:43] <ivoks> alcy: there is
[17:43] <ivoks> alcy: tee
[17:44] <alcy> ivoks: cool, thanks
[17:44] <ivoks> echo "1" | sudo tee  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[17:45] <digitolx> qman: thank you ... just to clarify your saying download the cups1.4.4.deb and just use dpkg to install
[17:45] <digitolx> is there a recomended place to download newer packages from for lucid?
[17:46] <alcy> ivoks: cool.
[17:48] <alcy> ivoks: but is that a work around, or a std. way of manipulating such system variables ?
[17:48] <qman__> digitolx, the backports repository is best, a PPA second best, and manually installing the way I explained would be third best
[17:50] <ablert> is there a public PPA or other repo that contains a more up to date version of the ec2 api tools?
[17:50] <RoyK> can someone please tell me wtf console-kit-daemon is and how I can disable that?
[17:50] <ivoks> alcy: standard way is /etc/syslog.conf
[17:50] <ivoks> bah
[17:50] <ivoks>  /etc/sysctl.conf
[17:50] <ivoks> alcy: ^^
[17:51] <RoyK> alcy: set some.var = something in /etc/sysctl.conf and run sysctl -p
[17:51] <alcy> ivoks: or rather, why doesn't a direct sudo work, where as piping the value to tee works ? ...yeah I could've changed sysctl but still, it would be nice to know this
[17:51] <qman__> RoyK, IIRC, that's what was causing a memory leak for me in jaunty, I removed the package it was a part of and it solved the problem
[17:52] <qman__> with no other noticeable effects
[17:52] <ivoks> alcy: cause you are piping as user
[17:52] <RoyK> qman__: it still leaks in maverick
[17:52] <ivoks> alcy: and tee is a program which you run as root
[17:52] <digitolx> qman, understood.. if the first 2 are not available for cups 1.44 is there a recommended place to get a deb.. or can you use dpkg to install src ? sorry for the qustions I'm just trying to get this right in my head
[17:52] <qman__> digitolx, you should get the deb from the ubuntu packages site, under maverick
[17:52] <alcy> ivoks: ah cool ! thanks :)
[17:52] <qman__> it may depend on other maverick packages
[17:53] <digitolx> qman: thank you very much
[17:53] <alcy> RoyK: thanks for the tip.
[17:53] <qman__> but at least that way you don't have to worry about packages outside of that dependency chain
[17:56] <digitolx> right on,, I was debating on enabling maverick then disabling once I updated the cups packages .. being that there are more than one package depending .. ie libcups2-dev	,, cups-bsd, cups-client.. ect...
[17:56] <qman__> that's a very bad idea, because once apt-get is aware of all the new versions, you will have dependency hell
[17:57] <qman__> just do it manually
[17:57] <SpamapS> You can also rebuild it.. which would be awesome if you did so, and then filed a backport request if it worked without changing the source. ;)
[17:58] <digitolx> will do,,, since that is the case should I get all the packages that are installed now affiliated with cups or just the main cups1.4.4
[17:58] <qman__> well, you want to replace as few packages as is necessary
[17:59] <qman__> so I would download the main cups, and attempt to install it
[17:59] <qman__> then find what it complains about, and attempt to install those
[17:59] <qman__> rinse, repeat until happy
[17:59] <digitolx> cool,, think my questions are over for now lol.. thank you very much
[18:01] <qman__> re: consolekit, I'm still not exactly sure what it's good for
[18:01] <qman__> supposedly it keeps track of user sessions, but my system works just fine without it
[18:02] <qman__> and the internet is not clear on what uses it or why
[18:02] <RoyK> qman__: I just removed the whole thing on this Maverick test box, and it runs well without it
[18:03] <RoyK> seems if running a box with rapid cron execution, we have a few of those, consolekit eats up a large chunk of memory over time
[18:07] <m1r1>  hello, i am trying to install ubuntu 10.04.1 x64 server, downloaded server image several times and burn on few cd/dvd and it always halts on "starting up partitioner 47%". tried on 2 diferent PC same result. MD5 hash was checked with latest download and it was correct and also fails on partitioner 47%.  is there a option to try install server from USB key or from internet ? any help is appriciated
[18:08] <RoyK> m1r1: perhaps hardware problems? the cd drive?
[18:08] <RoyK> m1r1: anyway - try memtest86 first
[18:08] <digitolx> qman: one last question.. would this be the same process going back to karmic ?
[18:09] <qman__> digitolx, yes
[18:09] <digitolx> roger
[18:09] <m1r1> RoyK: tested on two diferent PC's, same error occurs on both "47%" halt
[18:09] <RoyK> same cd drive?
[18:09] <RoyK> or cd
[18:09] <m1r1> this last machine is brand new from store with new cd rom
[18:09] <m1r1> wasted about 6 cd's already :)
[18:10] <RoyK> _burnt_ with the same cd writer?
[18:10] <qman__> m1r1, did the md5sums match up?
[18:10] <qman__> also, sometimes a full speed burn won't work, try setting it lower
[18:10] <m1r1> qman__: yes md5 its corect
[18:10] <RoyK> cdrecord -speed 10
[18:10] <RoyK> or something
[18:10] <RoyK> might help
[18:10] <m1r1> RoyK: downloaded from two diferent machines , burned on two diferent writers (dvd and cd)
[18:11] <RoyK> same sort of hardware?
[18:11] <m1r1> RoyK: i give a shoot on 8x
[18:11] <RoyK> as in same type of server machines?
[18:11] <RoyK> ok
[18:11] <m1r1> RoyK: two completley diferent machines
[18:11] <RoyK> wierd
[18:11] <m1r1> yea
[18:11]  * RoyK has installed quite a few lucid servers 
[18:12] <m1r1> i didnt manage to pass 47% for few days now :)
[18:12] <RoyK> shit
[18:12] <RoyK> well, try with 8x
[18:12] <RoyK> if that fails, try with a usb pen
[18:13] <RoyK> if that fails, pray to the nearest god and hope
[18:13] <m1r1> yes, that what i was planing to if this fail, but dont know procedure for server install from USB
[18:13] <qman__> lots of factors can cause a bad burn, slowing it down improves the chances of success
[18:13] <RoyK> m1r1: if you have an ubuntu desktop machine, it's easy
[18:14] <qman__> low quality media, worn out drive, dust, voltage fluctuations, cosmic rays, planets aligning, etc
[18:14] <RoyK> m1r1: otherwise, the ubuntu 10.10 download pages has some links
[18:14] <RoyK> indeed, especially planet alignment
[18:14] <RoyK> don't forget the mass of the person next to the machine
[18:14] <m1r1> :D
[18:15] <m1r1> that for sure aint issue here :)
[18:15] <m1r1> burning on 8x , disc-at-once
[18:16] <_ruben> removable media, bah .. pxe boot/install for the win ;)
[18:16] <RoyK> _ruben: takes a little longer to setup, though
[18:17] <m1r1> well i need server for pxe :D and it wont install :D
[18:17] <RoyK> unlock the drawer with the key inside
[18:18] <qman__> RoyK, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/FastUserSwitching#ConsoleKit -- it provides some magic for gvfs and similar, but there is still no explanation why it exists on systems without X
[18:18] <jauntypaperclip> Hey sorry for reposting, wondering if someone is able to help. I'm trying to set up a group for my file server. I currently have access however another windows machine that I'm using does not. I tried doing sudo chown ubuntuserveruser /srv/samba/share/group folder, sudo chgrp groupname /srv/samba/share/group folder, sudo chmod 770 /srv/samba/share/group folder I ensured that the other user is added to the group but no d
[18:18] <RoyK> qman__: I just installed the damn thing
[18:18] <RoyK> s/installled/uninstalled/
[18:19] <qman__> yeah
[18:20] <RoyK> problem solved - NEXT!
[18:21] <_ruben> RoyK: a little, yes, which is earnt back within a few server installs, especially when messing with lots of test servers/vms :)
[18:21]  * jauntypaperclip bounces up and down on her weird fitness ball chair
[18:22] <qman__> jauntypaperclip, your message is getting cut off, as your IRC client is not smart enough to line break at the limit
[18:22] <qman__> regarding your problem, have you tried rebooting the windows client?
[18:24] <qman__> windows is very stupid when it comes to credential management, and once it decides to authenticate as guest or as the logged-on user, it will refuse to do otherwise until you log off/log back on or reboot
[18:25] <m1r1> 8x burn done, going to test 47% again :)
[18:26] <pmatulis> m1r1: check the cd for defects in the installer
[18:26] <pmatulis> m1r1: maybe you have a bad batch of CDs
[18:27] <qman__> I've actually found that feature to not be reliable
[18:27] <qman__> it has passed discs that don't match the md5sum
[18:28] <pmatulis> qman__: it doesn't check md5sum i thought.  just some kind of basic defect finder  :).  otherwise it would take a very long time
[18:29] <m1r1> pmatulis: how you mean bad batch od cd's ?
[18:29] <m1r1> failed sucsesfully on 47% again
[18:29] <qman__> bad media
[18:30] <pmatulis> failed successfully, i like that
[18:30] <pmatulis> good outlook
[18:30] <m1r1> cant be all cd's i tryed are bad (they not same brand, or even bought at same store)
[18:31] <pmatulis> m1r1: did you check for defects as i suggested?
[18:31] <m1r1> pmatulis: how to check for defects ?
[18:31] <pmatulis> m1r1: the installer should have an option
[18:31] <jauntypaperclip> sorry qman__ I'm using the webchat in case you need to know here's the second half of the message. I tried doing sudo chown ubuntuserveruser /srv/samba/share/group folder, sudo chgrp groupname /srv/samba/share/group folder, sudo chmod 770 /srv/samba/share/group folder I ensured that the other
[18:32] <m1r1> pmatulis: got it
[18:32] <m1r1> will check now
[18:32] <jauntypaperclip> I will try what you suggested right now though! Thanks! :)
[18:32] <jauntypaperclip> the other user is added to the group but no dice. Please and thank you! *argh!!! darn webchat
[18:34] <qman__> jauntypaperclip, have you created a password for that user with smbpasswd?
[18:34] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: yup sure have. That's why I thought it was weird that I couldn't get in on the other machine. I can do it on mine.
[18:35] <jauntypaperclip> like my own windows box aside from the ubuntu server
[18:35] <lau> hello, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/572627
[18:35] <jeeves_moss> is there a way of writing the file names already d-loaded to a file so the next run of wget won't re-download the same files?
[18:36] <lau> I tried to comment syntax on in /etc/vim/vimrc to fix the issue but pathogen still not detects new files
[18:36] <lau> any idea ?
[18:37] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: is there something I should be doing to fstab? in 9.04 I had to add acl to fstab... but I don't think that's still needed. Just for my own curiosity. :)
[18:37] <qman__> jauntypaperclip, not for basic samba file sharing
[18:38] <qman__> does your share in smb.conf have any allowusers statements?
[18:38] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: hmmmm but what about managing users and groups?
[18:40] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: ; add group script = /usr/sbin/addgroup --force-badname %g ?? it's still commented...
[18:41] <qman__> jauntypaperclip, to add a user to a group, use `sudo adduser username groupname`
[18:41] <lau> ok found the fix !
[18:41] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: I've added all the users to the groups...
[18:42] <qman__> jauntypaperclip, you can verify by running `grep ^groupname /etc/group`
[18:42] <m1r1> i have checked install CD burned on 8x for defects, it replyed that cd is ok
[18:43] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: yup already parsed it out of the group file using grep to validate and all my peeps are there :(
[18:43] <qman__> jauntypaperclip, pastebin the share from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[18:45] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/512535/
[18:46] <jauntypaperclip> sorry :( I kinda left the comments in from the sample config
[18:46] <jauntypaperclip> it helps my backup in case of emergency
[18:46] <qman__> change guest ok to no
[18:46] <qman__> again, windows is fairly stupid and will attempt to authenticate as guest
[18:46] <qman__> and some windows installs will while others do not
[18:47] <qman__> also, you're probably going to want create mask to be 775
[18:47] <qman__> or 770
[18:47] <qman__> but that's up to you
[18:47] <jauntypaperclip> ahhh uncomment it huh? *facepalms*
[18:47] <jauntypaperclip> yeah I gotta get around to changing it to 770
[18:48] <qman__> no, not under the printers share
[18:48] <qman__> under your share
[18:48] <qman__> you have "guest ok = yes"
[18:48] <qman__> change it to no
[18:48] <jauntypaperclip> ohhhhh!! oops thanks. Thought you meant global
[18:49] <qman__> many windows clients will attempt to authenticate as guest first, and with that option, they will succeed, then not ask for any credentials
[18:49] <m1r1> so, i :  1. downloaded server 10.04.1 x64, 2. verified md5 corect, 3. burned with 8x speed disc-at-once , 4. tested disk for errors is ok... install halts on 47%...  any tips how to proced with install ?
[18:49] <qman__> and subsequently fail to access any of the files
[18:50] <qman__> m1r1, do the two computers you tried to install on have the same type of disk controller?
[18:50] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: gotcha. though I entered the credentials. I was able to validate that the user can see their folder with permissions set so that only they may see it and not see my folder for instance. I confirmed that it worked so I don't think it's credentials
[18:50] <m1r1> qman, you mean ide/sata ?
[18:51] <qman__> m1r1, no, I mean the same brand and model
[18:51] <qman__> or, if they're using the same exact hard drive
[18:51] <m1r1> qman__: i dont know :(
[18:51] <m1r1> hardware is diferent
[18:52] <qman__> what I'm getting at is, a failing disk or an issue with a particular type of disk controller might be the problem
[18:52] <jauntypaperclip> qman__ is the man!
[18:52] <qman__> but if they're not the same disk, and they're not the same type of controller, that's not it
[18:53] <m1r1> qman__: the first one was older PC , core2duo , this one is quad 8200 (brand new from store)
[18:54] <qman__> m1r1, what chipset does each use?
[18:54] <m1r1> for older one i dont know, sent it back, for new one i would need to look
[18:57] <qman__> also, how much time did you give it at 47%?
[18:57] <qman__> and how big is/are your hard drive(s)?
[18:59] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: the guest thing worked. you are in fact... the man!
[18:59] <qman__> glad to hear it
[19:01] <m1r1> qman__: hdd is 1tb , when it comes to 47% there is no activity on PC at all, no matter 1h or 15min, just halts
[19:02] <m1r1> i went to bios and set port 1-4 AHCI (was on IDE), but still same result
[19:03] <m1r1> will load now live cd to see what chipset (if it manage to load)
[19:03] <RoyK> http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_la67s29j0Y1qdr7qxo1_500.jpg
[19:08] <jauntypaperclip> qman__: Sorry for ever doubting you even for a half minute. lol. The windows thing authenticating as guest after you've defined the user id and pass is so weird. I may set up a batch file if utterly required. But yeah thanks again!!
[19:26] <m1r> thanks for help people, i return this box and try tomorow with other one hopefully
[19:33] <RoyK> m1r1: no luck with the new image?
[19:35] <m1r1> RoyK: no luck at all :(
[19:35] <RoyK> m1r1: can you try to install 8.04?
[19:36] <m1r1> RoyK: will return this box to shop and get new one during this week i hope, its acting real weird :/
[19:37] <RoyK> I'd try 8.04 first if I were you
[19:37] <RoyK> perhaps there's some local issue
[19:37] <RoyK> since two different boxes fail....
[19:37] <m1r1> yes, both on 47% which is most strange :/
[19:37] <RoyK> indeed
[19:39] <m1r1> what i found out, this box is AMD pehonm and old was core2duo so, as qman__ sugested maybe could be bad hdd controler, but strange that same block on 47% for both
[19:40] <m1r1> AMD is new from shop , recived yesterday
[19:44] <RoyK> m1r1: do you have any chance to test 8.04?
[19:47] <m1r1> RoyK: no more empty cd's :(
[19:48] <m1r1> RoyK:  only USB stick, but dont know how to preprare for server install from usb key
[19:50] <RoyK> m1r1: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download <-- instructions there - it applies to building an USB boot device from an iso image, not necessarily u10.10
[19:51] <m1r1> RoyK: thanks, will cehck it out now
[19:51]  * RoyK is quite sure he said that some hour or two ago
[19:53] <m1r1> RoyK: there is no 8.04 in that list
[19:53] <m1r1> in usb installer list
[19:54] <RoyK> what OS is your PC running?
[19:54] <m1r1> win7
[19:55] <RoyK> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[19:55] <RoyK> it's all on that page
[19:55] <m1r1> so i can also format usb and put 8.04 server install with universal installer ?
[19:56] <m1r1> i read this is only for live cd roms, or am i wrong ?
[19:58] <RoyK> it shouldn't be a problem
[19:58] <RoyK> it's just  the bootstrap that needs a little fiddling
[19:59] <martin___> I want to know how to set up sendmail on linux server so I can make php send emails, can anybody help?
[19:59] <clayd> is it possible to turn on tab completion after the sudo command? if so how?
[20:00] <RoyK> martin___: no need for sendmail - that's ancient history - apt-get install postfix
[20:00] <RoyK> that'll fix most of it
[20:01] <martin___> no configuration then? :RoyK
[20:01] <RoyK> martin___: should work well out of the box
[20:01] <RoyK> clayd: google for bash custom tab completion
[20:01] <m1r1> RoyK: i ordered intel quad procesor and got amd quad, will return it tomorow, and get intel during this week, then i retest all
[20:01] <martin___> Royk: thanks :)
[20:01] <RoyK> m1r1: imho the AMDs are just as good, though
[20:02] <RoyK> well, depends on model, obviously
[20:02] <m1r1> yes, but firm shipped wrong pc
[20:02] <clayd> RoyK:  I have been looking around and cant seem to make it work.  I uncommented the lines in bash.bashrc then rebooted and still no go?
[20:03] <RoyK> I think you need to configure it, clayd
[20:03] <clayd> ahhh.
[20:03] <cdubya> how can I display the stats like I see when I ssh into ubuntu server?
[20:05] <RoyK> cdubya: landscape-sysinfo
[20:05] <cdubya> nice, thanks
[20:17] <martin___> cdubya: if you install webmin you can see this all graphically, best of all, its free!
[20:19] <RoyK> !webmin
[20:19] <SpamapS> martin___: we generally recommend ebox, not webmin
[20:20] <martin___> SpamapS: I assume its personal preferance?
[20:21] <RoyK> martin___: read that line from ubottu again
[20:28] <brendan0powers> Does anyone know if its possible to use extended attributes over NFS?
[20:28] <RoyK> it is
[20:42] <cdubya> martin___, yeah, I've installed webmin but it's been a long time. :-)
[20:43] <martin___> cdubya: well apperently it isnt supported, however i havnt had any problems
[20:43] <cdubya> martin___, no worries. Thanks!
[20:48] <martin-> dear god, highlight!
[20:50] <martin___> can anybody tell me how to install ebox with all modules? thought i woulde give it a try?
[20:55] <guntbert> martin-: as I see it they regard their product more as a standalone tool based on ubuntu than as something to add to ubuntu
[20:57] <qman__> I'm not a fan of web interfaces that I didn't write myself
[21:00] <guntbert> martin-: an on top of this: ebox uses only its own config files, not the standard ones from the system
[21:00] <guntbert> *and ...
[21:06] <martin-> guntbert: what?
[21:07] <guntbert> martin-: I don't think it is wise to put ebox on top of a running system and expect the system to still work
[21:11] <martin-> guntbert: no idea what you're talking about
[21:13] <guntbert> martin-: sorry, my client lead me to a faulty nick completion - there are more martin... around
[21:13] <guntbert> martin___:  as I see it they regard their product more as a standalone tool based on ubuntu than as something to add to ubuntu
[21:14] <harpette> is it an issue if i put a 64-bit server as a Distcc helper to a 32-bit client ?
[21:14] <guntbert> martin___: and on top of this: ebox uses only its own config files, not the standard ones from the system
[21:15] <martin___> guntbert: so what are you saying, i shouldnt install it? as i have been told i should, webmin is no longer supported apparently
[21:17] <guntbert> martin___: yes, webmin is no longer supported (for a long time now) - but I was very dissatisfied with ebox, I removed it as soon as I saw how it handled the system configuration
[21:18] <guntbert> martin___: I cannot give real advice here - just my own experience shows that ebox seem in no way to be a tool like webmin
[21:18] <martin___> tbh if it works and doesn't create security issues then I'm happy :guntbert
[21:20] <guntbert> martin___: the problem for me was that you seem to be completely sold to that system once you start using it - I didn't see a way back - with webmin it is enough to not use it or unistall it and the system will behave exactly the same
[21:22] <martin___> good, because i have just uninstalled webmin on my production server with a view to maybe install zentya (formally ebox) that i am currently installing on a test server
[21:32] <smoser> SpamapS, ping
[21:32] <smoser>  other-server-n-upstart-server-enhancement
[21:40] <ablert> is anyone aware of a public PPA or other repo that contains a more up to date version of the ec2 api tools?
[21:48] <Madwill> hi, seriously is using ubuntu + tomcat going to be an hassle or its quite simple
[21:48] <Madwill> i don't like not having gui
[21:48] <Madwill> maybe i'm not clear
[21:49] <Madwill> i want to have a tomcat server, i was wondering if i use normal ubuntu and add tomcat am i going to suffer a lot from it
[21:55] <smoser> ScottK, i wonder if you could bump https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid-backports/+bug/649742
[21:55] <smoser> or anyone who is backporter
[21:55]  * ScottK looks
[21:56] <jasonb> Madwill: The Ubuntu tomcat deb should work well for you, actually.
[21:56] <ScottK> smoser: Done.
[21:57] <Madwill> thanks
[21:57] <smoser> ScottK, gracias.  so is there another way to get a bump on such things othe rthan pinging you ?
[21:57] <ScottK> smoser: Currently probably not (and I don't mind) as we are very short of people looking over backports.
[21:57] <Madwill> in fact i'm going for openfire rpm which is sort of build on tomcat
[22:01] <DormantOden> Can anyone explain how I can use `route` to route all traffic through an interface?
[22:02] <ajmitch> ScottK: what's actually involved in that?
[22:11] <ScottK> ajmitch: Not a lot.  It's just reviewing bugs to make sure they've been properly tested.
[22:11] <ScottK> ajmitch: The biggest thing is checking to make sure rdepends are tested (if any).
[22:11] <jumbers> DormantOden: You need to set the default route to use that interface
[22:11] <ScottK> The test standard is builds, installs, runs.
[22:12] <ScottK> But you can't break rdepends.
[22:12] <ScottK> That and we want an upgrade path, so if you want to backport Natty to Lucid, you probably also need to backport to Maverick (for example)
[22:12] <ajmitch> makes sense
[22:18] <murphy_> Is webmin ok to use with ubuntu server?
[22:19] <jumbers> Sure
[22:19] <murphy_> Ive heard it isn't supported anymore?
[22:19] <murphy_> Ive heard it isn't supported anymore?
[22:20] <murphy_> does anybody use it?
[22:20] <jumbers> It's still supported and I use it
[22:20] <murphy_> great thanks :)
[22:21] <jumbers> They've made it a lot nicer to look at too
[22:21] <jumbers> Since the ancient days
[22:21] <murphy_> haha, I wouldnt know, im not that ancient myself :)
[22:21] <jumbers> It used to look like this http://www.obsceneart.com/images/icons-icons-icons.png
[22:22] <murphy_> wow :D
[22:22] <murphy_> old
[22:29] <ScottK> murphy_: To be clear: It's not supported here.  We'll send you to ask the webmin people if you have any problems.
[22:35] <murphy_> ScottK: Thanks, i just wanted to make sure it would cause any problems to my production server
[22:35] <ScottK> murphy_: I wouldn't make that assumption.
[22:35] <murphy_> ScottK: sorry?
[22:35] <ScottK> In the past, I've helped people fix postfix setups where webmin ate the config file.
[22:36] <ScottK> I've no idea why, but I wouldn't assume it's safe.
[22:38] <jcastro> murphy_: it's not in the archive for a reason
[22:41] <eroick> My ubuntu server installation does not give a login prompt on boot, I have to press CTRL-ALT-F1 before logging in. Is there a fix for this? I'm using Lucid.
[22:44] <chrismat> eroick is it a fresh install or have you used the server for a while?
[22:45] <eroick> chrismat: fresh
[22:46] <murphy_> Will everybody stop talking in riddles and just TELL me whats wrong with it :ScottK :jcastro
[22:47] <ScottK> murphy_: I don't use it, so I don't know exactly.  I can tall you that I've helped people fix postfix configs that got eaten by webmin.
[22:47] <ScottK> !webmin
[22:47] <jcastro> it's not a riddle, it's just not recommended on debian/ubuntu because it doesn't work
[22:47] <ScottK> That's the official position.
[22:47] <ScottK> ... reliably.
[22:47] <ScottK> It does work fsvo work, but then stuff happens.
[22:47] <jcastro> well, he did say _production_ system so I assumed reliably. :)
[22:49] <eroick> so can i configure a tty to appear right after boot? I'm using serial to get into this machine, and I cant send the CTRL-ALT-F1 over GNU Screen (or can I?_
[22:55] <RoyK> eroick: if serial console is configured correctly, you'll get a login on ttyS0 or whatever you're using
[22:56] <eroick> RoyK: I get the boot messages, and it sits at Starting NTP server ntpd    [ OK ]
[22:56] <eroick> but I know that CTRL-ALT-F1 will get it to a login prompt, i tried it in qemu
[22:57] <RoyK> configure a tty in /etc/init/ttyS0.conf or something
[22:58] <RoyK> the serial console in kernel won't setup a getty for it
[22:58] <RoyK> example http://pastebin.com/09k2y9uZ
[22:59] <eroick> and then just do screen /dev/ttyUSB0 baudrate?
[22:59] <eroick> from the computer i'm connecting from
[23:00] <RoyK> or minicom
[23:00] <eroick> do I need to do an rc-update?
[23:00] <RoyK> I'm not sure if screen supports serial stuff
[23:00] <RoyK> never used that, though
[23:01] <RoyK> minicom does
[23:01] <eroick> i've been using screen, it works to display all the boot messages, i just don't get a TTY
[23:01] <eroick> but I don't get a tty with the same image in qemu...
[23:02] <RoyK> dunno then
[23:02] <RoyK> I haven't been using qemu a lot
[23:02]  * RoyK just uses serial consoles for physical boxes including good old RS/232
[23:06] <franksterville> What am I doing wrong...  http://pastebin.com/eE0jZ20P   Error=salesperms.sh: 4: SalesDocuments[0]=/media/data/Sales: not found
[23:06] <franksterville> salesperms.sh: 28: Bad substitution
[23:09] <eroick> RoyK: thanks.. i'll try this when i have a chance. one more question: do you know where the startup of ttys is controlled?
[23:09] <RoyK> /etc/init
[23:09] <RoyK> thre are scripts there starting them
[23:09] <RoyK> or config files, even
[23:09] <eroick> ok, i'll check those too
[23:10] <RoyK> the one I pastebinned was my /etc/init/ttyS0.conf
[23:11] <eroick> can you send CTRL-ALT-* from minicom?
[23:12] <RoyK> why would you?
[23:12] <RoyK> if a serial console (aka getty) is set on a serial port, it'll work
[23:13] <eroick> how would you send it?
[23:13] <RoyK> sorry - why would you want to?
[23:13] <eroick> to change tty
[23:13] <RoyK> on a serial console, you just have one tty
[23:13] <eroick> hmm, ok
[23:14] <RoyK> virtual ttys is a "new" thing that came up only 20 years ago or something
[23:15] <eroick> alright
[23:15] <eroick> im not sure what my serial connection is doing... it's monitoring the entire boot process
[23:15] <eroick> ie, before a tty even exists
[23:15] <RoyK> that's kernel output
[23:16] <RoyK> you need to launch a tty on the serial link to be able to log in
[23:16] <eroick> alright, i'll make the ttyS0.conf
[23:16] <eroick> and will I need to add that to start up somehow?
[23:17] <RoyK> iirc init will read through that dir and start whatever is set there
[23:17] <eroick> ok
[23:17] <eroick> thanks
[23:23] <dlublink> I am getting errors when starting apparmor about missing PROC and HOMEDIR variables. It's as if the files in tunables/* were not being parsed.
[23:23] <dlublink> Found reference to variable HOMEDIRS, but is never declared
[23:24] <sbeattie> dlublink: does the profile in question have "#include <tunables/global>" near the beginning of it?
[23:25] <dlublink> nope
[23:25] <sbeattie> dlublink: then you need to add it, in order to get the definitions included.
[23:25] <dlublink> Sorry, my bad, I copy/pasted a script and didn't notice that because it starts with a #
[23:26] <dlublink> Wonderful, thanks
[23:26] <dlublink> Fixed
[23:59] <jurgen> my movies on samba shares sometimes stutter, how do I know if its my network bandwidth or resource strain on server thats causing it