| szczur | head_victim, no problem :) | 00:17 |
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| szczur | happy_user_count++ | 00:18 |
| aaq | well i am off. ill come back and ask when i can update ;). thanks for the help | 00:39 |
| stlsaint | phillw: hey where you folks need most help at? | 00:47 |
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| head_victim | I'm getting a "Xsession" unable to launch "gnome-session" error on first boot from a 10.10 install | 01:08 |
| szczur | head_victim, sudo apt-get install gnome-session-bin | 01:14 |
| szczur | did you install system from the lubuntu cd or by mini.iso | 01:14 |
| szczur | ? | 01:14 |
| head_victim | lubuntu cd | 01:14 |
| szczur | weird that it wants gnome session at all | 01:15 |
| head_victim | The only non standard thing I did was keep my old /home | 01:15 |
| szczur | do you have XSession file in you r home directory? | 01:16 |
| szczur | .XSession | 01:16 |
| head_victim | Ah crap forgot that, hang on rebooting back to prompt | 01:17 |
| head_victim | I should be able to just rm -rf /home/user/.XSession and it should auto generate again? | 01:17 |
| szczur | i think | 01:17 |
| szczur | i would make a backup of it | 01:18 |
| head_victim | I have backups already ;) | 01:18 |
| szczur | ok | 01:18 |
| head_victim | Nah there wasn't any, just an .Xauthority | 01:21 |
| szczur | hmm | 01:22 |
| szczur | try to install gnome-session-bin | 01:22 |
| head_victim | Ok, will have to drop to networking prompt | 01:23 |
| cciinico | hello, got a question. has any one got tint2 to work? | 01:24 |
| szczur | what is tint2? | 01:24 |
| szczur | :) | 01:24 |
| cciinico | :/ | 01:24 |
| head_victim | http://catlingmindswipe.blogspot.com/2010/03/lubuntu-start-up-with-blinds-down.htm | 01:25 |
| stlsaint | yea what is tint2? | 01:25 |
| szczur | cciinico, just a question, maybe i can help then :) | 01:25 |
| szczur | head_victim, blogger doesn't exist | 01:25 |
| cciinico | http://code.google.com/p/tint2/ | 01:25 |
| szczur | hmmm, looks nice | 01:26 |
| cciinico | its a panel basicly, im trying to covert some stuff from crushbang | 01:26 |
| cciinico | on to lubuntu | 01:26 |
| cciinico | the only thing i like about this distro is its openbox | 01:27 |
| cciinico | which is nice and simply easy to apply the configs | 01:27 |
| * szczur is downloading the svn :) | 01:27 | |
| szczur | yayz | 01:27 |
| szczur | they're using cmake | 01:28 |
| szczur | nice thing, easy to compile | 01:28 |
| cciinico | im new to linux but understand must of what im doing just thought some ppl would have already tried to mess with it | 01:28 |
| * szczur tries to install it :) | 01:29 | |
| szczur | cciinico, yest it is working :) | 01:36 |
| szczur | but, the problem is that it don't have program menu like lxpanel have | 01:37 |
| szczur | it only shows running procesess | 01:37 |
| szczur | you would need to configure openbox to modify the menu to be able to run programs | 01:37 |
| szczur | if you want i can show you screenshots of running tint2 on my PC right now :) | 01:38 |
| head_victim | szczur, ok found the problem. I was trying to auto login | 01:38 |
| head_victim | And it had defaulted to the wrong option. | 01:38 |
| szczur | head_victim, you could say that you want to autologin :) | 01:39 |
| szczur | /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf | 01:39 |
| head_victim | As soon as I removed the autologin from/etc/xdg/Lubuntu/..... it presented a login screen where I changed the option from "Default" to Lubuntu and it worked | 01:39 |
| head_victim | http://www.catlingmindswipe.blogspot.com/2010/03/lubuntu-start-up-with-blinds-down.htm | 01:39 |
| cciinico | szczur: how woud u go about doing so? | 01:39 |
| head_victim | That's where I got my inspiration. No idea why it happened though | 01:39 |
| phillw | head_victim: that page does not exist, could you re post it for me, please. | 01:42 |
| head_victim | http://www.catlingmindswipe.blogspot.com/2010/03/lubuntu-start-up-with-blinds-down.html | 01:43 |
| head_victim | sorry I lost the "l" :/ | 01:43 |
| szczur | cciinico, http://szczur.ath.cx/tint.png | 01:43 |
| phillw | head_victim: is that with the 10.10 release? | 01:44 |
| szczur | head_v, ok, glad you found the solution | 01:44 |
| cciinico | damn it... | 01:45 |
| phillw | !language | cciinico | 01:45 |
| ubot5 | cciinico: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. | 01:45 |
| head_victim | phillw: yes, worth a bug report? | 01:48 |
| phillw | cciinico: we're much more relaxed in #lubuntu-offtopic as it is not logged :) | 01:48 |
| phillw | head_victim: yeah, if you would please. | 01:48 |
| phillw | I'm not sure if that area is back up yet, it was shut for maintentance earlier. If you can not file it there, give as much information as you can to phillw@phillw.net and I'll file it. | 01:50 |
| head_victim | phillw: I'll link in here when it's up just to make sure I logged enough detail | 01:51 |
| phillw | it could well be back up now, I was on it a couple of hours ago. | 01:51 |
| head_victim | Yeah just working on getting the install up and running with synergy, etc so I can use it instead of this VM | 01:52 |
| phillw | if you'd post the bug report number here, although myself and others should auto receive it. | 01:53 |
| head_victim | Will do | 01:54 |
| phillw | head_victim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs | 01:55 |
| phillw | Thanks for taking the time to raise the issue, it's appreciated. | 01:56 |
| head_victim | Hey if it helps me in the long run I'd be crazy not to. | 01:56 |
| phillw | head_victim: If you're interested in lubuntu, you may want to pop over to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved we're a really small team and always appreciate an extra pair of eyes. | 01:58 |
| head_victim | I've already had a quick look | 02:01 |
| head_victim | Willing to do what I can when I can but yeah, I'm not what you'd call a "guru" | 02:02 |
| phillw | head_victim: you have PM | 02:04 |
| head_victim | As do you ;) | 02:04 |
| head_victim | Question any idea where Lubuntu locates the counterpart to xdm's xdm/Xsetup, xdm/Xstartup and xdm/Xsession? | 02:28 |
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| stlsaint | head_victim: no idea ;) | 03:09 |
| head_victim | Found them ;) | 03:10 |
| stlsaint | head_victim: aye | 03:10 |
| head_victim | /etc/lxdm/.... | 03:10 |
| head_victim | The names are slightly different but I still get the desired effects | 03:10 |
| stlsaint | head_victim: what were you trying to do? | 03:10 |
| head_victim | I am slowly coming to the realisation that I understand more than I thought. | 03:10 |
| head_victim | Autostarting synergy | 03:10 |
| stlsaint | ooh ok | 03:11 |
| head_victim | Nice to have it working before login | 03:11 |
| stlsaint | oh yea you will always know more than you think, just takes a little *thinking* ;) | 03:11 |
| head_victim | Ended up quite a few mlocates later I struck it | 03:11 |
| head_victim | Just now my terminal history is full of "mlocate slightlydifferentstring" | 03:12 |
| head_victim | Will go log that bug now | 03:12 |
| head_victim | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/660260 | 03:32 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 660260 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Xsession unable to boot after fresh install Maverick (affected: 1, heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 03:32 |
| head_victim | Sorry if it's not great, let me know anything else you need to help out | 03:33 |
| keith2 | So, wondering if lubuntu can be used on an old Compaq 500Mhz with 512MB RAM | 04:05 |
| mikedep333 | hey, I just installed lubuntu on a test 128MB RAM virtual machine via the mini/minimal iso, and synaptic gets password errors when I attempt to launch it from the start menu | 04:20 |
| mikedep333 | I can run: sudo synaptic fine | 04:20 |
| mikedep333 | here's how I installed it: | 04:20 |
| mikedep333 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall | 04:20 |
| mikedep333 | I would like to report a bug, but I don't know which package to report on | 04:21 |
| mikedep333 | I am testing out a 256MB desktop/graphical install right now, it is still installing | 04:21 |
| head_victim | mikedep333: I'm in the middle of updating the VM I use otherwise I'd boot up and see if I could reproduce | 04:22 |
| mikedep333 | head_victim: gotcha | 04:22 |
| mikedep333 | head_victim: I'll be around for a while | 04:22 |
| head_victim | I hit enter about 10 seconds before you posted | 04:22 |
| head_victim | Ok give it a couple of minutes see if I can get mine to boot with 128 only. | 04:23 |
| mikedep333 | is the installer supposed to take forever to load (and take even longer to get past the first step) when you only have 256MB? | 04:26 |
| mikedep333 | free -m reports that about half my ram is in cache/buffer anyway (waiting for 2nd menu to load) | 04:26 |
| head_victim | Yeah, 256 is not much to work with | 04:26 |
| head_victim | Ok trying to boot now | 04:28 |
| head_victim | It's funny allocating 128mb to a vm when you have 10gb in the host | 04:28 |
| head_victim | It's surprisingly snappy..... | 04:28 |
| head_victim | Worked fine for me mate | 04:29 |
| head_victim | What sort of error did you get? | 04:29 |
| head_victim | Upload a snapshot? | 04:29 |
| phillw | mikedep333: with that little RAM, you really should consider the minimal install method | 04:30 |
| mikedep333 | head_victim: you're referring to loading synaptic under lubuntu 10.10 with 128MB of RAM when you installed from the graphical installer? | 04:31 |
| head_victim | mikedep333: yep | 04:31 |
| head_victim | It's using 70mb for me now | 04:31 |
| mikedep333 | ok | 04:31 |
| mikedep333 | let me see if the graphically installed version can load synaptic for me | 04:32 |
| head_victim | I did install it with over 1gb there to use but I have just booted it now with 128 and it still opened ok | 04:33 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 04:33 |
| mikedep333 | it looks like the entire gksu program does not work on my mini/minimal installed machine | 04:34 |
| phillw | mikedep333: have a read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall | 04:36 |
| mikedep333 | phillw: yes, I followed that guide | 04:37 |
| mikedep333 | the only thing I did wrong was enable automatic updates during the installer | 04:37 |
| head_victim | That will just make it last longer and use more space, can't imagine it causing an error unless the cd you installed from was corrupt | 04:38 |
| * phillw ::sighs:: I did day to leave it 'OFF' :\ | 04:38 | |
| head_victim | Oh it does make a difference? | 04:38 |
| mikedep333 | again, I installed using the minimal/mini iso | 04:39 |
| mikedep333 | that was only a 12MB iso | 04:39 |
| mikedep333 | it downloaded all the packages over the 'net | 04:39 |
| mikedep333 | I presume it did an MD5sum check or similar on them | 04:39 |
| phillw | head_victim: yeah, it can really slow down the dkpg bit and you can run out of RAM | 04:39 |
| head_victim | phillw: ah k I have some old P3 laptops that I use mini's on exclusively | 04:40 |
| phillw | the devs helped me write that set of instructions up, along with some other good people from the lubuntu and ubuntu community. For the moment, it's the best we have until the team can make a seperate minimal install cd | 04:41 |
| phillw | which is on the 'To Do' list. | 04:42 |
| head_victim | I'm just surprised it even runs on 128 | 04:42 |
| phillw | head_victim: it's very lean, exceedlingly keen and... well just really good :D | 04:43 |
| head_victim | Yeah I was kinda over "lean" installs when xfce really didn't do a lot of performance so I wasn't expecting much from lxde either but it's been a nice surprise. | 04:43 |
| mikedep333 | ok, my lubuntu-desktop.iso install load synaptic fine | 04:45 |
| mikedep333 | I'll take a screenshot on the mini iso isntalled lubun tu | 04:45 |
| head_victim | Might be an issue with corruption if it was installed when it was trying to find some swap space | 04:45 |
| mikedep333 | head_victim: the minimal system is supposed to be fine with only 128MB of RAM | 04:46 |
| mikedep333 | but if you'd like, I'll reinstall with 384 (via the minimal iso) | 04:46 |
| head_victim | Maybe reinstall without doing the updates and see if it does make a difference | 04:46 |
| phillw | mikedep333: do check the iso download https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/CheckCD it will save you so much grief | 04:47 |
| phillw | btw, head_victim have a good gander at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp to get to know where stuff is. If you find something missing / outdated please scream at me :) | 04:49 |
| mikedep333 | phillw: yes, I get the same md5sum: Ubuntu 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" Minimal CD 12.7MB (MD5: 02abb1a71bde21a1335e9368dad529ca, | 04:51 |
| mikedep333 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 04:51 |
| phillw | I'm a bit stuck then, mikedep333 I know the minimal instructions do work :( | 04:52 |
| phillw | we've spent quite a lot of time on them. | 04:53 |
| mikedep333 | http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6458/lubuntusynapticerror.png | 04:54 |
| mikedep333 | phillw: I'll install it again, with 384MB | 04:54 |
| head_victim | mikedep333: oh so it's not an error error it's just a this is the wrong password. That is really odd | 04:55 |
| phillw | mikedep333: it will install on 128MB fine, I'm really stuck as to why you are having a problem. | 04:55 |
| head_victim | Well if it's just once it hasn't worked I'd always say have a second attempt. | 04:55 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 04:56 |
| mikedep333 | bugs are reproduceable | 04:56 |
| phillw | mikedep333: 10.10 is just out, I can give you the links to 10.04 if it does seem to be a 10.10 bug. | 04:57 |
| mikedep333 | ok | 04:57 |
| * phillw has them on my server :D | 04:57 | |
| head_victim | I don't think my local mirror would host them unless it gets official status | 04:58 |
| head_victim | I thought about pestering them | 04:59 |
| phillw | head_victim: iWeb are dead cool with me being the secondary server for lubuntu | 04:59 |
| head_victim | My local mirror has a 10gbps link ;) | 04:59 |
| head_victim | Local as in in the country | 04:59 |
| head_victim | For Australian's anything in Australia is as good as you're going to get as local. | 05:00 |
| phillw | head_victim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw#Web_Hosting we're setting up a ubuntu server on that beast :) | 05:00 |
| head_victim | I thought about setting up some webspace here but decided it was too much work for not really having a reason for it | 05:01 |
| phillw | head_victim: with derrick having set up http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26 I don't think it is worth it; I do not know if you know the UBT overlord, bohdi, but he is the one who is going to harden a specific ubuntu server section on Derrick's system. | 05:05 |
| head_victim | Nah don't know bohdi off the top of my head | 05:05 |
| head_victim | But sounds like a good idea | 05:05 |
| phillw | head_victim: we just call him boss, it's easier :) | 05:06 |
| head_victim | Hah fair enough then | 05:06 |
| mikedep333 | woot, my gateway's squid web proxy makes downloading packages really fast | 05:07 |
| mikedep333 | head_victim, phillw: yes. I did a disc check on the xubuntu 10.10 alternate i386 installer. I then installed a command line only system from that. I then followed the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall, and once I am at the LXDE/lubuntu desktop, gsku alwys tells me I have the wrong password | 05:17 |
| mikedep333 | this did not happen with the lubuntu-desktop iso | 05:17 |
| mikedep333 | and this was with 384MB of RAM | 05:17 |
| mikedep333 | for both installations | 05:17 |
| phillw | mikedep333: why are you using xubuntu? mini-iso installs no desktop at all. | 05:20 |
| mikedep333 | phillw: not knowing that my web cache was working, I didn't want to put any unneeded strain on us.archive.ubuntu.com. It's going really slow because of the release. By using the alternate installer to install a CLI system, it has a lot of packages on CD rather than getting them from us.archive.ubuntu.com. | 05:21 |
| mikedep333 | Note that mini.iso does not know of any other US mirrors | 05:21 |
| XP1 | anyone here? i have lubuntu 10.10 but it doesn't shutdown. the HDD turns off but computer remains on the screen where it says killing process blah blah blah | 06:45 |
| bioterror | sounds weird | 06:46 |
| XP1 | i added apm power_off=1 to /etc/modules which worked in 10.04 but doesn't work in 10.10 | 06:46 |
| bioterror | happens alot? | 06:46 |
| XP1 | i reinstalled | 06:47 |
| bioterror | you seem to have complicated hardware ;) | 06:47 |
| XP1 | :O it's an old Pentium III computer | 06:47 |
| bioterror | apm is older than acpi | 06:48 |
| bioterror | and thinngs are done nowdays with hal if i remember right | 06:48 |
| bioterror | someone could correct me if im wrong | 06:49 |
| bioterror | have you built that machine from scratch or is it a market pc? | 06:49 |
| XP1 | i got it from someone. it's a whitebox, no brand | 06:50 |
| bioterror | you added that apm poweroff on first boot? | 06:50 |
| XP1 | i only added it to /etc/modules | 06:51 |
| bioterror | youve tried without it? | 06:51 |
| XP1 | yeah | 06:52 |
| bioterror | and it hangs too? | 06:52 |
| XP1 | yeah, it shows a brown Ubuntu 10.10 screen | 06:52 |
| bioterror | maybe we should dig some logs | 06:52 |
| bioterror | but im kinda powerless atm, ircing from train station with my phone :D | 06:53 |
| XP1 | i see | 06:53 |
| bioterror | hope ill se you still in here when i reach my work | 06:54 |
| bioterror | this sounds challenging enough :D | 06:54 |
| XP1 | when will that be? | 06:54 |
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| bioterror | about an hour | 06:55 |
| XP1 | ok | 06:56 |
| bioterror | unless someone else wants to help you out | 06:57 |
| bioterror | hey | 06:57 |
| bioterror | can you restart it without a problem | 06:57 |
| XP1 | restart works fine with or without apm power_off=1 | 06:58 |
| bioterror | or is it shutdown and restart problem, | 06:58 |
| XP1 | just shutdown problem | 06:58 |
| Mossyfunk | wtf? installer is telling me that 55GB partition is too small for JFS O_o? | 07:02 |
| bioterror | :D | 07:03 |
| Mossyfunk | hey bioterror =) | 07:03 |
| bioterror | HI | 07:04 |
| bioterror | xp1, so you need to press power button for like 5seconds | 07:07 |
| Mossyfunk | Is there any reason why one would want a journaled filesystem for /boot? | 07:07 |
| XP1 | pressing < 1 sec works when it is on the hanging part | 07:07 |
| Mossyfunk | lol i googled >_> | 07:08 |
| bioterror | mossy, what does it say? | 07:08 |
| Mossyfunk | So if you have /boot on a non journaled filesystem then you are likely to lose data from that partition in case opf a crash.... whereas if /boot is on a journaled filesystem, like ext3 it can recover | 07:10 |
| bioterror | yes | 07:12 |
| bioterror | usually i have /boot included on / | 07:12 |
| Mossyfunk | Yeah I have previously just had / and swap partitions but I was looking into setting up an old box as a server and ended up with 12 partitions lol | 07:14 |
| Mossyfunk | so I decided to have /boot, /, /home and swap | 07:14 |
| Mossyfunk | and use JFS | 07:14 |
| bioterror | why jfs? | 07:16 |
| Mossyfunk | I just chose JFS for the hell of it | 07:16 |
| Mossyfunk | aND BECAUSE WHAT i READ IT'S FAST | 07:16 |
| Mossyfunk | srry caps | 07:16 |
| Mossyfunk | why not jfs? | 07:16 |
| bioterror | you seen comparisons? | 07:19 |
| bioterror | and it beats shit out of ext4 | 07:19 |
| bioterror | ? | 07:19 |
| Mossyfunk | don't know how old what I am reading is but "JFS currently uses the least CPU resources of any GNU/Linux filesystem. Very fast at formatting, mounting and fsck's, and very good all-around performance" | 07:20 |
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| bioterror | okay | 07:42 |
| bioterror | just got to work | 07:42 |
| bioterror | it really took an hour | 07:42 |
| XP1 | ok | 07:53 |
| bioterror | xp1, we could try to see if "shutdown -h now" works for you | 07:55 |
| bioterror | I was thinking about that while traveling to my work | 07:55 |
| bioterror | close everything on your desktop | 07:55 |
| bioterror | and say in terminal "sudo shutdown -h now" | 07:55 |
| bioterror | I would like to know, if it freezes | 07:56 |
| bioterror | running lubuntu down should take something like 30 seconds | 07:56 |
| XP1 | it still freezes | 07:59 |
| bioterror | you have init scripts on the screen? | 07:59 |
| bioterror | like it's shutting down processes | 07:59 |
| bioterror | or do you have lubuntu -screen? | 07:59 |
| XP1 | some text are jumbled together. it is on a brown Ubuntu 10.10 screen | 08:00 |
| bioterror | can you press alt+f1 | 08:00 |
| bioterror | to switch to tty | 08:01 |
| XP1 | after i restart lubuntu? | 08:02 |
| bioterror | when it's stuck | 08:02 |
| XP1 | alt+f1 doesn't do anything | 08:03 |
| bioterror | okay | 08:03 |
| XP1 | keyboard lights don't respond either | 08:03 |
| bioterror | so it's technically shutdown | 08:04 |
| bioterror | but doesnt know that it should power off | 08:04 |
| XP1 | yeah, fan is still running and with the screen still on | 08:05 |
| bioterror | if you press esc | 08:06 |
| bioterror | does something happen? | 08:06 |
| XP1 | nothing, the keyboard seems to be off | 08:06 |
| bioterror | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2260791&postcount=10 | 08:11 |
| bioterror | you should try to add that acpi=off apm=power_off too | 08:11 |
| bioterror | you can do it on boot | 08:12 |
| bioterror | when you're on grub, edit the boot parameters | 08:12 |
| bioterror | add to the end acpi=off apm=power_off | 08:12 |
| XP1 | ok | 08:12 |
| bioterror | no answer | 08:22 |
| bioterror | ;) | 08:22 |
| XP1 | sorry, took awhile. it didn't work :/ | 08:31 |
| buffcns2 | Greetings to all, does lubuntu 10.10 have a similar install option to install support for mp3 codec, flash etc like the new ubuntu 10.10? | 08:31 |
| bioterror | haha | 08:54 |
| bioterror | didnt have time to say about restricted extras | 08:54 |
| XP1 | bioterror , this worked for boot params: acpi=off acpi=power_off acpi=force lapic apm=power_off | 08:57 |
| XP1 | :) | 08:57 |
| * XP1 slaps XP1 around a bit with a large trout | 09:37 | |
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| bioterror | !help | 10:10 |
| ubot5 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 10:10 |
| bioterror | !commands | 10:10 |
| ubot5 | The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | 10:10 |
| bioterror | !lubuntu-desktop | 10:11 |
| bioterror | !lubuntu | 10:11 |
| ubot5 | lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu | 10:11 |
| bioterror | !install | 10:11 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate | 10:11 |
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| head_victim | bioterror: thanks for the list email. It was one of the few things frustrating me that I was going to have to look up over the next week or so | 10:17 |
| bioterror | what? | 10:17 |
| bioterror | ahhh that pcmanfm | 10:17 |
| head_victim | The gvfs-backend | 10:17 |
| bioterror | yeah | 10:18 |
| head_victim | It wasn't even 1mb install either with dependencies | 10:18 |
| bioterror | yes | 10:18 |
| bioterror | and still I think important feature ;) | 10:19 |
| bioterror | something really useful | 10:19 |
| head_victim | Very | 10:19 |
| head_victim | If it was going to be 100mb of stuff you might um an arr over it but for only 1mb. Unless there is a reason we're not aware of. | 10:20 |
| bioterror | nobody's perfect, I bet someone just forgot to add it | 10:20 |
| === Mossyfunk|Away is now known as Mossyfunk | ||
| Mossyfunk | Should I just ignore the installer telling me 120mb /boot is too small? or is it bitching for a good reason? | 10:22 |
| bioterror | well | 10:23 |
| bioterror | you can put 200MB | 10:23 |
| bioterror | and see if it's better | 10:23 |
| bioterror | if you're having a lot of kernels at the same time, it takes a lot of hdd space | 10:23 |
| Mossyfunk | 120mb should be plenty though unl;ess I plan on having 80 kernel images stashed no? | 10:24 |
| bioterror | 107M boot/ | 10:25 |
| Mossyfunk | ic | 10:25 |
| Mossyfunk | ty | 10:25 |
| Mossyfunk | =) | 10:25 |
| bioterror | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4037888 2010-04-16 14:32 vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic | 10:25 |
| bioterror | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4037792 2010-06-04 01:53 vmlinuz-2.6.32-22-generic | 10:25 |
| bioterror | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4045536 2010-06-11 14:28 vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-generic | 10:26 |
| bioterror | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4050848 2010-09-16 21:24 vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic | 10:26 |
| bioterror | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4050912 2010-09-18 02:31 vmlinuz-2.6.32-25-generic | 10:26 |
| bioterror | not that many kernels in there | 10:26 |
| Mossyfunk | whats taking uyp so much space? | 10:26 |
| bioterror | generic kernels are huge | 10:26 |
| Mossyfunk | ahhh makes sense | 10:26 |
| bioterror | yeah, there's so much support for different hardware | 10:26 |
| Mossyfunk | considering /home on a seperate drive what do you think is a realistic size for a / partition on a desktop with a SHITLOAD of software installed? | 10:30 |
| bioterror | it depends | 10:30 |
| bioterror | you're doing /boot and / and /home on a different partitions? | 10:30 |
| head_victim | Depends on what sort of software, I've had problems filling 10gb for / on most of my pc's at home | 10:31 |
| Mossyfunk | yep | 10:31 |
| bioterror | then 10GB should be enough | 10:31 |
| bioterror | and rest for the /home | 10:31 |
| Mossyfunk | head_victim, really? | 10:31 |
| Mossyfunk | well I dont exactly have space constraints hehe | 10:32 |
| Mossyfunk | thanks | 10:32 |
| head_victim | Yeah me neither, the smallest / I have is 80gb | 10:32 |
| head_victim | It's just got heaps spare "just in case" but my /home 's are 500gb to 2 tb so I'm not hard up for space | 10:32 |
| bioterror | shall we continue on offtopic? | 10:32 |
| MoLE_ | evening all. anyone feel like helping me get mounting samba shares going in pcmanfm? | 12:06 |
| MoLE_ | nice to see you here head_victim | 12:06 |
| bioterror | yes | 12:06 |
| bioterror | sudo apt-get install gvfs-backend | 12:07 |
| bioterror | and open new filemanager | 12:07 |
| MoLE_ | thanks bioterror | 12:07 |
| bioterror | backends | 12:07 |
| MoLE_ | I was wondering if that was the correct method. | 12:08 |
| bioterror | I emailed about that to the list today, that it is missing from the iso package | 12:08 |
| MoLE_ | brilliant +1 for that bug | 12:08 |
| head_victim | Evening MoLE_ , glad I'm not the only one missing gvfs | 12:08 |
| bioterror | maybe we get it for the 11.04 :-) | 12:08 |
| * bioterror hides * | 12:09 | |
| bioterror | :D | 12:09 |
| MoLE_ | geez sounds like a simple fix, so I hope not | 12:09 |
| bioterror | it is | 12:09 |
| MoLE_ | bioterror, head_victim >> awesome fix btw, works just like in nautilus now | 12:11 |
| MoLE_ | now I can stream star trek from my server .... :) | 12:12 |
| Mossyfunk | woo | 12:12 |
| head_victim | Hah the important things in life | 12:12 |
| Mossyfunk | love the epic theme song to enterprise HAHA | 12:13 |
| head_victim | bioterror: on that note is there anyway of getting the mount points to show up in the top left bar (with desktop, trash, applications, etc) like in nautilus? | 12:13 |
| Mossyfunk | this would be handy | 12:13 |
| * MoLE_ was given entire ds9 collection for birthday :D | 12:14 | |
| bioterror | hmmm | 12:20 |
| bioterror | gotta check those at home | 12:20 |
| bioterror | im at work | 12:20 |
| head_victim | I just added them to the bookmarks | 12:21 |
| bioterror | yes | 12:21 |
| bioterror | it should work | 12:21 |
| Mossyfunk | Fresh install of 10.10 kernel updates failed | 12:21 |
| Mossyfunk | http://pastebin.com/uDpWdu7j | 12:21 |
| bioterror | mossy, run apt-get dist-upgrade from terminal | 12:22 |
| Mossyfunk | wouldn't the update manager install the same upgraded packages? | 12:24 |
| Mossyfunk | whats the difference? update manager updates the current versions but dist-upgrade upgrades to new package versions? | 12:25 |
| bioterror | try it out | 12:26 |
| bioterror | worked for me | 12:26 |
| Mossyfunk | yeah it worked | 12:26 |
| Mossyfunk | just wondering why the other one failed | 12:26 |
| bioterror | dunno, but dont be afraid of the power of command line! | 12:26 |
| Mossyfunk | hehe no way | 12:27 |
| Mossyfunk | I just like to know why something does what it does | 12:28 |
| Mossyfunk | otherwise I kinda freak out lol | 12:28 |
| bioterror | haha | 12:29 |
| bioterror | hard to say | 12:29 |
| bioterror | that glib-error is mystical on boot | 12:37 |
| === Mossyfunk is now known as Mossyfunk|AFK | ||
| === Mossyfunk|AFK is now known as Mossyfunk | ||
| Keith_ | I have an older Compaq 500 Mhz 512MB RAM 80GB HDD. I've installed Xubuntu but it seems to be using up too many resources. Someone suggested I try Lubuntu. When I burned a CD and tried though, it says I lack 'cmov' and to try another kernel. Any suggestions? | 14:05 |
| phillw | Keith_: have you run the self test on the cd? | 14:06 |
| Keith_ | I have not | 14:10 |
| Keith_ | I'll do that | 14:11 |
| phillw | would be a good thing to check, in case of a file corruption. | 14:11 |
| bioterror | quick googling said that the problem is in the kernel or something | 14:11 |
| phillw | bioterror: it's odd, as when I asked on ufbt, they are not seeing reports on the forum area. I guess it is possible, but I'd expect the support forum to go into melt-down if there was a kernel problem in the new 10.10 | 14:13 |
| bioterror | hahahaha | 14:14 |
| bioterror | I know what's the problem | 14:14 |
| bioterror | his CPU is i585 and the kernel is for the i686 | 14:14 |
| phillw | ahhh.... he's going to have to use the mini-iso, then | 14:15 |
| phillw | I do recall this discussion about dropping support for pre i686 and was totally opposed to it. | 14:16 |
| bioterror | :-) | 14:17 |
| bioterror | I think he's using celeron or something | 14:17 |
| mikedep333 | hey guys, I need an honest opinion. The museum I volunteer for has a pentium3 system with 128MB of RAM. I believe it has plenty of HDD space for swap. I'm pretty sure no graphics will be taking up RAM. Should I install lubuntu 10.10 on it (from the minimal installer) or something else like puppy linux? | 14:18 |
| mikedep333 | it's hard for me to judge lubuntu 10.10 with 128MB RAM on a VM because it stores parts of the HDD image, like the swap space, in the host's RAM | 14:19 |
| phillw | mikedep333: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Intended%20Audience | 14:20 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 14:20 |
| mikedep333 | I'm thinking puppy will run faster but will be less usable | 14:20 |
| mikedep333 | a variety of linux noobs will be using the computer | 14:20 |
| bioterror | it's like americans and british people says tomato | 14:21 |
| bioterror | you should consider using the mini-iso and fetch lubuntu-desktop | 14:22 |
| bioterror | that's what I would do | 14:22 |
| phillw | mikedep333: lubuntu's reason for existance is for older, lower spec computers. you get a good system that is up to date but is very frugal on resources. | 14:22 |
| phillw | with 128MB ram, you cannot use the standard installation CD, ubiquity needs more than that to run. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall | 14:24 |
| mikedep333 | phillw: yes, I ran through the minimal install 2 times last night. I was discussing that with you. | 14:31 |
| mikedep333 | one time because the VM 128MB | 14:32 |
| mikedep333 | *the VM had 128MB | 14:32 |
| phillw | the mini-iso should work with 128MB | 14:32 |
| mikedep333 | phillw: I believe the alternate installer requires only 64MB | 14:32 |
| mikedep333 | one other thing. You guys should strongly considering using midori once it has more compatibility | 14:33 |
| mikedep333 | midori is the very lightweight web browser that still using webkit and ns plugins (eg, flash) | 14:33 |
| mikedep333 | it can access yotuube for example | 14:33 |
| mikedep333 | I believe it is GTK | 14:33 |
| mikedep333 | there's a PPA | 14:33 |
| phillw | mikedep333: chromium supports html5, and you can access youtube if you take part in http://www.youtube.com/html5 | 14:36 |
| mikedep333 | phillw: oh, right. I remember that | 14:36 |
| mikedep333 | I mentioned midori because I believe it takes up less RAM and CPU time. | 14:37 |
| bioterror | this discussion seems to be a little offtop and as my sith lord usually suggests, should we move to the #lubuntu-offtopic ;) | 14:38 |
| === mohi1 is now known as Mohan_chml | ||
| phillw | !lxterminal | Mossyfunk | 15:21 |
| ubot5 | Mossyfunk: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | 15:21 |
| phillw | !grub2 | Mossyfunk | 15:21 |
| ubot5 | Mossyfunk: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 15:21 |
| Mossyfunk | !sudo | Mossyfunk | 15:21 |
| ubot5 | Mossyfunk, please see my private message | 15:21 |
| head_victim | !ask | phillw | 15:21 |
| ubot5 | phillw: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 15:21 |
| Mohan_chml | head_victim: LOL | 15:22 |
| head_victim | Sorry, had to be done | 15:22 |
| bioterror | Mossyfunk, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_x25e_filesystems&num=1 some fact for you regarding JFS | 15:22 |
| phillw | head_victim: Mossyfunk had not heard of a ubot, I was just demonstrating what sort of thing it can do. | 15:22 |
| head_victim | phillw: yeah I keep forgetting more and more about what I used to know about it | 15:23 |
| === Mossyfunk is now known as Mossyfunk|AFK | ||
| === Mossyfunk|AFK is now known as Mossyfunk|Sleep | ||
| === MichealH is now known as MichealH-Test | ||
| === MichealH-Test is now known as MichealH | ||
| mikedep333 | hey guys. My (GNOME) Ubuntu system is stuck during the (graphical) upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 | 16:30 |
| mikedep333 | I would like to report a bug on that | 16:30 |
| mikedep333 | how should I do that? | 16:30 |
| mikedep333 | I mean | 16:30 |
| mikedep333 | what package? | 16:30 |
| mikedep333 | or special instructions? | 16:31 |
| mikedep333 | is there a log I should attach? | 16:31 |
| bioterror | ditch the gui | 16:32 |
| bioterror | hahaha | 16:33 |
| bioterror | hi | 16:33 |
| bioterror | do the upgrade from terminal | 16:33 |
| bioterror | !upgrade | 16:33 |
| ubot5 | For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade | 16:33 |
| mikedep333 | bioterror: yeah, but I want to report a bug | 16:35 |
| bioterror | launchpad | 16:36 |
| bioterror | its the place | 16:36 |
| mikedep333 | yes | 16:36 |
| mikedep333 | but what package do I report it on? | 16:36 |
| mikedep333 | sorry, don't know why I got disconnected that time | 16:39 |
| Benkinooby | hi, sorry for asking this question in this channel, but how can i remove all the lubuntu-desktop stuff from my ubuntu 10.04? removing the lubuntu-desktop packes isn't enough | 16:49 |
| phillw | Benkinooby: I don't have a full list of what to remove yet, sorry. | 16:58 |
| mikedep333 | Benkinooby: maybe the computer janitor will offer to remove the rest of the lubuntu-desktop | 17:03 |
| mikedep333 | you can try removing every package beginning with "lubuntu". You can try remove the "lxde" metapackage. Also, you can remove every package beginning with "lx" (I'm pretty sure of that, that there are no non-lxde packages beginning with lx.) | 17:04 |
| mikedep333 | I think the computer janitor offers to remove all the packages that are something like "installed but no longer required" | 17:05 |
| mikedep333 | apt-get bugs you about that | 17:05 |
| mikedep333 | when you go to install anything | 17:05 |
| mikedep333 | or upgrade anything | 17:05 |
| * phillw it has been done :) | 17:11 | |
| phillw | he's such a really nice guy, but I'll kill him later for not telling me that he'd done it. | 17:11 |
| phillw | Benkinooby: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome | 17:12 |
| phillw | he's one of the forum staff, so his instructions are 100% safe to use. | 17:13 |
| Benkinooby | phillw, ah, good ol' psychocats ;) i once helped me a lot but i forgot about it ;) | 17:19 |
| phillw | his pure lxde one is incorrect, I'll go tell him. I know it was on his list of things to do. | 17:20 |
| Benkinooby | phillw, mikedep333 i used 'sudo aptitude' removed all packages the lubuntu-desktop package depends on and then resolved dependency problems (e.g. packages that belong to gnome and lxde) | 17:20 |
| phillw | he's a really good guy. | 17:20 |
| phillw | the psychocats method would have probably been easier :) | 17:21 |
| mikedep333 | Benkinooby: ok, let me know how that works. Let me know if it removed all the lubuntu-desktop specific packages, or at least a good # of them. | 17:22 |
| Benkinooby | phillw, psychocat only spakes about xubuntu wich is not lubuntu | 17:23 |
| phillw | Benkinooby: look at http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php under 'Playing around' section on the left | 17:24 |
| Benkinooby | phillw, removed 40 packages | 17:24 |
| Benkinooby | kept 40 packages, because the partly belong to gnome, or because i like them (chromium) | 17:25 |
| phillw | Benkinooby: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9843196&postcount=411 | 17:25 |
| Benkinooby | mikedep333, i prefer aptitude, becuase it usually manages packages far better than apt-get and also keeps a log of them | 17:25 |
| Benkinooby | phillw, psychocats packages to be removed are very similar to mine. maybe his method is a bit faster, because he removes everything, and installs gnome later on, while i take a look at all "problematic" packages separately (arund 15 packages) | 17:29 |
| Benkinooby | phillw, mikedep333 thank you for your patience, time and efforts | 17:29 |
| * phillw waves to hyperair | 17:31 | |
| hyperair | I FOUND THE STUB TO MY WATCH STRAP'S STICK | 17:32 |
| * hyperair bounces around the room in glee | 17:32 | |
| === bioterror is now known as Mongoose | ||
| === Mongoose is now known as bioterror | ||
| phillw | !topic | bioterror | 19:40 |
| ubot5 | bioterror: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic | 19:40 |
| bioterror | hey! | 19:41 |
| bioterror | I'm writing an email! | 19:41 |
| bioterror | and you're disturbing me ;D | 19:41 |
| phillw | bioterror: "(15:26:25) ChanServ: (notice) [#lubuntu] Welcome to lubuntu,|| Logs of this channel are available on irclogs.ubuntu.com || Use of this channel implies acceptance of the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService || For general chat, use #lubuntu-offtopic" | 19:41 |
| * phillw waves to gilir | 19:42 | |
| gilir | hi phillw | 19:44 |
| |friTTe| | \\o | 19:45 |
| |friTTe| | double hi | 19:45 |
| === MichealH is now known as lassemon | ||
| === lassemon is now known as MichealH | ||
| ninji | Hey anyone here knowledgeable about Lubuntu being a tad slow, and boot up(Lubuntu splash is missing, disabled it from grub) being equally slow as well. After it does what seems to be standard linux loading it shuts off the video signal forcing me to turn my monitor on and off to get it back. Then it stays on a black screen(no blinking cursor) for at least 2-3 minutes. Performance in Lubuntu seems to be a bit stuttered as well. I a | 23:09 |
| ninji | with windows 7 but Grub is on a separate drive. | 23:09 |
| ninji | It does this from LIVE cd as well as being installed. Does the same kind of shut screen off deal checking the CD from the live disc as well | 23:10 |
| |friTTe| | no idea what it can be, but sounds strange | 23:12 |
| bioterror | hmmm | 23:12 |
| |friTTe| | it can be slow when using Live usb, but what youre describing sounds strange | 23:12 |
| ninji | Yea, or running from CD the actual desktop can be a little sluggish but right now I have it installed | 23:12 |
| bioterror | ninji, what kind of computer do you have? | 23:12 |
| ninji | Core i7 920, 6gb PC1600 DDR3, x58 intel chipset EVGA mobo, Geforce GTX295, Linux is on second partition of a WD raptor, no swap. | 23:14 |
| bioterror | you've built that machine from scratch? | 23:14 |
| ninji | yea | 23:14 |
| ninji | I don't have any problems with Windows, but this is the first time installing Linux on this specific machine | 23:15 |
| |friTTe| | looks like a monstermachine | 23:16 |
| |friTTe| | seems strange about it beeing sluggish | 23:16 |
| ninji | Yea, something is going on and the system is not being verbose about it. In that brief no splash loadup I didn't see any problems, perhaps when its on black screen before login there may be something happening | 23:17 |
| bioterror | you have the nvidia drivers installed? | 23:17 |
| |friTTe| | yeah, i have a flatscreen to this older computer with onboard gfx, it wont let me see bios or boot options | 23:18 |
| |friTTe| | the screen goes to blinking light energysaving mode | 23:18 |
| |friTTe| | so might be something there when you dont see | 23:18 |
| ninji | I installed them earlier but they don't seem to fix the problems, nor do they fix the bootup problems. They do introduce a nasty DPI glitch though, which using the startx DPI switch doesn't seem to fix | 23:18 |
| bioterror | ninji, and BTW | 23:19 |
| |friTTe| | hm ok | 23:19 |
| bioterror | you should use mini iso | 23:19 |
| bioterror | and install lubuntu-desktop | 23:19 |
| bioterror | becouse you have 64bit system and alot RAM | 23:19 |
| ninji | hmm thats what I was thinking | 23:19 |
| bioterror | !minimalcd | 23:19 |
| ubot5 | The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 23:19 |
| ninji | I was just being a bit lazy and seeing if the problem was wide spread | 23:19 |
| |friTTe| | then you will end up with a really light install | 23:20 |
| bioterror | !lubuntu-desktop | 23:20 |
| ninji | Yea, really I am installing Lubuntu to test it out and configure it | 23:20 |
| |friTTe| | sounds good :) | 23:20 |
| ninji | I plan on making a music server box with it that is extremely minimal | 23:20 |
| |friTTe| | i like Lubu, gettting tired of all these fancy gfx and such | 23:20 |
| bioterror | I saw some suggestions that you should use 64bit drivers | 23:20 |
| ninji | yea i'll go ahead and load that mini-iso, I have it downloaded already on my windows partition | 23:21 |
| bioterror | hope you grabbed the 64bit version ;) | 23:21 |
| |friTTe| | yeah, and pop by and let us know if all went well :) | 23:22 |
| ninji | Yea, I am not a big fan of the fancy interface either, unless they do something different to change the GUI in such radical ways. I | 23:22 |
| bioterror | !install ninji | 23:22 |
| bioterror | !install | 23:22 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate | 23:22 |
| ninji | Win7 GUI is all bloat, I hate it | 23:22 |
| |friTTe| | yeah | 23:22 |
| ninji | Thanks for the help guys | 23:23 |
| |friTTe| | i been using Gnome on my main comp, but now i got Lubu on all machines | 23:23 |
| |friTTe| | the speed is great | 23:23 |
| |friTTe| | No problem ninji hope you get it up and running | 23:23 |
| bioterror | just a moment | 23:23 |
| bioterror | I'll find you the spell | 23:23 |
| |friTTe| | O_o | 23:23 |
| ninji | i'll come back later, might be a few hours though. | 23:24 |
| ninji | spelling of what? | 23:24 |
| |friTTe| | bioterror, no spells and magic now =) | 23:24 |
| |friTTe| | think it might be the terminalcommands for Lubuntu minimal | 23:24 |
| |friTTe| | during install to get the desktop up and running, its really light once installed..tweaking afterwards is fun | 23:25 |
| bioterror | sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop | 23:25 |
| bioterror | that's what they usually suggests | 23:25 |
| ninji | roger that, its the same as in the wiki? | 23:26 |
| |friTTe| | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall | 23:26 |
| |friTTe| | theres the guide i followed | 23:26 |
| bioterror | yeah | 23:27 |
| |friTTe| | im to slow | 23:27 |
| |friTTe| | hehe | 23:27 |
| bioterror | you got it | 23:27 |
| |friTTe| | well good luck ninji | 23:27 |
| ninji | alright guys let me get out of here I needa go find some dinner | 23:27 |
| bioterror | hope you get your system running | 23:27 |
| ninji | ha only luck I need is to make sure | 23:27 |
| bioterror | :D | 23:27 |
| bioterror | SKILLZ! | 23:27 |
| bioterror | MAD SKILLZ! | 23:27 |
| ninji | the partitioner doesn't nuke my previous system by mistake | 23:27 |
| bioterror | install over it :D | 23:27 |
| ninji | yea, its fine if it does | 23:27 |
| ninji | I have all my stuff on a separate drive anyway | 23:28 |
| ninji | but its a pain in the butt | 23:28 |
| |friTTe| | thats good | 23:28 |
| ninji | Seee I fell for the vista ultimate scam | 23:28 |
| ninji | so I am not using a Win7 proper, can't install off that CD, takes double the time to install win7 | 23:28 |
| |friTTe| | i never left Xp | 23:28 |
| ninji | I had a DX10 video card ;) but | 23:29 |
| ninji | now that steam is on mac OS, opengl might see a resugence | 23:29 |
| ninji | which is good for linux | 23:29 |
| ninji | anyway I am out ;) ciao | 23:29 |
| |friTTe| | ciao | 23:29 |
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