[14:07] <nigelb> charlie-tca: ping ping, all set for second session? :)
[14:07] <charlie-tca> heh, sure
[14:07] <charlie-tca> I think it went pretty good, myself
[14:07] <nigelb> heh 
[14:08] <nigelb> I was happy to see lots of curiosity
[14:08] <charlie-tca> yes, we need that to get people thinking about accessibility
[14:09] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: so it went well?
[14:10] <charlie-tca> Yes, I believe it did
[14:10] <Pendulum> sorry I couldn't be there, I was in a car in the middle of a 6 hr drive :(
[14:10] <charlie-tca> No problem
[14:10] <Pendulum> once I'm a bit more settled back here, I do plan on reading the logs :)
[14:10] <charlie-tca> We had a lot of people, and a few questions
[14:10] <Pendulum> awesome :)
[14:11] <charlie-tca> I mostly used your session from userdays, with a few things of my own thrown in
[14:13] <Pendulum> cool
[14:13] <Pendulum> and I'm glad my session was useful
[14:13] <Pendulum> I may have erm, possible, maybe, definitely, written it on the day ;-)
[14:14] <charlie-tca> It is always helpful to have some material to work with.
[14:14] <charlie-tca> Today is more difficult. It is the first session I will do as xubuntu project lead
[14:14] <Pendulum> *nods*
[14:16] <nigelb> charlie-tca: oh, you're xubuntu lead? I didn't know!
[14:17] <charlie-tca> heh, just as an interim lead, probably for two years
[14:18] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: that doesn't sound very interim to me
[14:19] <charlie-tca> We have different definitions ?
[14:19] <Pendulum> fair enough :)
[14:19] <charlie-tca> I have to figure out how to get myself approved, since we kind of left that out when we re-organized three years ago
[14:21] <charlie-tca> We wrote out everything except how to approve the new project lead every two years
[14:26] <Pendulum> oh dear
[14:27] <charlie-tca> A small mistake? and I was involved in that, too. We did realize it, neither did CC
[14:27] <charlie-tca> Rather, did not realize
[14:30] <nigelb> heh
[14:37] <Pendulum> video on website accessibility: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awldEoQ-aNQ
[14:37] <Pendulum> UK-based, but still kinda cool
[14:38]  * AlanBell ponders what Pendulum just said
[14:38] <Pendulum> AlanBell: just meaning that everyone in it is British and some of the discussion may only really apply in places in the UK
[14:39] <Pendulum> although it's generally decent
[14:39] <AlanBell> watching it now
[14:39]  * AlanBell <- UK based, but still kinda cool
[14:39] <Pendulum> AlanBell: you're generally cool :P
[14:42] <Pendulum> now if only I could convince Flash that she wants to help us ;-)
[14:43] <Pendulum> ooh, there's also a video on accessible transport/travel :)
[14:44] <charlie-tca> that is a really good video
[14:44] <AlanBell> Pendulum: you know her?
[14:44] <Pendulum> AlanBell: yep :)
[14:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: she's the small world-story with keybuk and sladen :)
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: did you blog about world accessibility day today?
[14:45] <Pendulum> today is world accessibility today?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Um, I think so
[14:46] <charlie-tca> I caught a reference to it yesterday. 
[14:47] <Pendulum> ah, that seems to be what World Standards Day is
[14:47] <Pendulum> I hadn't put together that it was specific to accessibility standards
[14:47] <charlie-tca> I think it is very confusing for everybody
[14:48] <Pendulum> I'd kinda worry that I'd end up ranting
[14:48] <charlie-tca> How do you publicize a day that is made confusing?
[14:48] <Pendulum> i dunno
[14:49] <Pendulum> but, yeah
[14:49] <Pendulum> my concern is that I'd end up talking about the fact that Ubuntu/Canonical seem to ignore things like web standards
[14:49] <AlanBell> The 41st World Standard Day on Oct. 14, 2010 will be celebrated under the theme: “Standards make the world accessible for all.
[14:50] <AlanBell> so there have been 40 previous days we never heard of either
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Maybe we did not really care about them?
[14:51] <Pendulum> heh
[14:52] <Pendulum> I only heard about this because of Flash
[14:53] <charlie-tca> I know. I tried not to say that yesterday
[14:53] <Pendulum> heh
[14:53] <Pendulum> yeah
[14:55] <Pendulum> it would be bad of me to do a question in ask sabdfl about "Today is World Standards Day with a focus this year on Accessibility, are there any plans to improve accessibility in Ubuntu and related things such as the website up to accessibility standards?"
[14:55] <AlanBell> nope, perfectly good question
[14:55] <charlie-tca> I think that would be a great question
[14:56] <Pendulum> nigelb: ^^
[14:56] <Pendulum> yeah, but I don't want to piss people off
[14:56] <nigelb> go for it
[14:56] <Pendulum> that's kinda a leading question
[14:56] <AlanBell> Pendulum: do it
[14:56] <charlie-tca> I will ask it, if you want
[14:56] <nigelb> Just do it (TM)
[14:56] <Pendulum> and I'm worried it'd reflect badly on me
[14:56] <AlanBell> it won't
[14:57] <AlanBell> perfectly good question, and one that should be asked by you as a leader of the team
[14:57] <charlie-tca> +1
[14:57] <charlie-tca> Team lead sometimes has to ask the difficult questions
[14:58] <charlie-tca> And, it is a question all of us would like to know the answer to. It is not like it is a one person desire
[14:59] <charlie-tca> or wish or "lets raise some hell" type question
[15:00] <AlanBell> I have to go out now to get the kids from school, Pendulum, please ask that question o/
[15:00] <Pendulum> okay, okay :P
[15:00] <charlie-tca> I'll be waiting for it. 
[15:02] <nigelb> ok, it has started
[15:02] <Pendulum> question has been asked, we'll see if it gets answered
[15:03] <Pendulum> I kinda had to dump the question now because i have to leave soon
[15:05] <charlie-tca> That's the only way to get them in anyway.
[15:11] <nigelb> that's good news, from mark
[15:12] <Pendulum> well, it's kinda required
[15:12] <Pendulum> unity doesn't work with Orca
[15:12] <charlie-tca> What? it is touchpad, not accessibility
[15:12] <nigelb> oh, yuck
[15:13] <charlie-tca> It's just more rhetoric
[15:13] <charlie-tca> "we support it, as long as it doesn't get in the way"
[15:13] <Pendulum> webkit problem, i think
[15:14] <charlie-tca> But if we could get mark pushing it as hard as unity or ayatana, we would have it working
[15:14]  * charlie-tca shuts up and hides again
[15:19] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: what do you think I'm hoping for? ;-)
[15:20] <charlie-tca> I know, just frustrated, I guess.
[15:21] <charlie-tca> they will push touchpad, and if it happens to help with accessibility, it's called "We did IT! everyone can use this, regardless of disablitiy"
[15:34] <nigelb> charlie-tca: heh
[17:41] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: how'd it go?
[17:42] <charlie-tca> not bad. Not as good as I hoped, though. 
[17:43] <charlie-tca> audience doesn't seem to be there, maybe? Or I was not getting their interest this time.
[18:03] <nigelb> dang, I stepped out from work -> home just when you started
[18:04] <nigelb> need to look at logs
[18:12] <charlie-tca> I think I was boring today
[18:26] <AlanBell> evening
[18:27] <AlanBell> so not a spectacular answer from Mark, but not a disaster either
[18:28] <dutchie> AlanBell: eh?
[18:28] <AlanBell> dutchie: in the openweek session
[18:28] <dutchie> yeah, just read back
[18:28] <Pendulum> it felt a bit PR-y to me, but was honestly more involved than I expected
[18:29] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/14/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t15:10
[18:30] <AlanBell> it would be good to get more bugs filed against the website for accessibility
[18:30] <AlanBell> not sure there are enough against the new design
[23:56] <AlanBell> rant posted, off to bed now o/
[23:56] <AlanBell> if any web designers turn up, do be nice to them :)