[14:07] charlie-tca: ping ping, all set for second session? :) [14:07] heh, sure [14:07] I think it went pretty good, myself [14:07] heh [14:08] I was happy to see lots of curiosity [14:08] yes, we need that to get people thinking about accessibility [14:09] charlie-tca: so it went well? [14:10] Yes, I believe it did [14:10] sorry I couldn't be there, I was in a car in the middle of a 6 hr drive :( [14:10] No problem [14:10] once I'm a bit more settled back here, I do plan on reading the logs :) [14:10] We had a lot of people, and a few questions [14:10] awesome :) [14:11] I mostly used your session from userdays, with a few things of my own thrown in [14:13] cool [14:13] and I'm glad my session was useful [14:13] I may have erm, possible, maybe, definitely, written it on the day ;-) [14:14] It is always helpful to have some material to work with. [14:14] Today is more difficult. It is the first session I will do as xubuntu project lead [14:14] *nods* [14:16] charlie-tca: oh, you're xubuntu lead? I didn't know! [14:17] heh, just as an interim lead, probably for two years [14:18] charlie-tca: that doesn't sound very interim to me [14:19] We have different definitions ? [14:19] fair enough :) [14:19] I have to figure out how to get myself approved, since we kind of left that out when we re-organized three years ago [14:21] We wrote out everything except how to approve the new project lead every two years [14:26] oh dear [14:27] A small mistake? and I was involved in that, too. We did realize it, neither did CC [14:27] Rather, did not realize [14:30] heh [14:37] video on website accessibility: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awldEoQ-aNQ [14:37] UK-based, but still kinda cool [14:38] * AlanBell ponders what Pendulum just said [14:38] AlanBell: just meaning that everyone in it is British and some of the discussion may only really apply in places in the UK [14:39] although it's generally decent [14:39] watching it now [14:39] * AlanBell <- UK based, but still kinda cool [14:39] AlanBell: you're generally cool :P [14:42] now if only I could convince Flash that she wants to help us ;-) [14:43] ooh, there's also a video on accessible transport/travel :) [14:44] that is a really good video [14:44] Pendulum: you know her? [14:44] AlanBell: yep :) [14:45] AlanBell: she's the small world-story with keybuk and sladen :) [14:45] Pendulum: did you blog about world accessibility day today? [14:45] today is world accessibility today? [14:45] Um, I think so [14:46] I caught a reference to it yesterday. [14:47] ah, that seems to be what World Standards Day is [14:47] I hadn't put together that it was specific to accessibility standards [14:47] I think it is very confusing for everybody [14:48] I'd kinda worry that I'd end up ranting [14:48] How do you publicize a day that is made confusing? [14:48] i dunno [14:49] but, yeah [14:49] my concern is that I'd end up talking about the fact that Ubuntu/Canonical seem to ignore things like web standards [14:49] The 41st World Standard Day on Oct. 14, 2010 will be celebrated under the theme: “Standards make the world accessible for all. [14:50] so there have been 40 previous days we never heard of either [14:51] Maybe we did not really care about them? [14:51] heh [14:52] I only heard about this because of Flash [14:53] I know. I tried not to say that yesterday [14:53] heh [14:53] yeah [14:55] it would be bad of me to do a question in ask sabdfl about "Today is World Standards Day with a focus this year on Accessibility, are there any plans to improve accessibility in Ubuntu and related things such as the website up to accessibility standards?" [14:55] nope, perfectly good question [14:55] I think that would be a great question [14:56] nigelb: ^^ [14:56] yeah, but I don't want to piss people off [14:56] go for it [14:56] that's kinda a leading question [14:56] Pendulum: do it [14:56] I will ask it, if you want [14:56] Just do it (TM) [14:56] and I'm worried it'd reflect badly on me [14:56] it won't [14:57] perfectly good question, and one that should be asked by you as a leader of the team [14:57] +1 [14:57] Team lead sometimes has to ask the difficult questions [14:58] And, it is a question all of us would like to know the answer to. It is not like it is a one person desire [14:59] or wish or "lets raise some hell" type question [15:00] I have to go out now to get the kids from school, Pendulum, please ask that question o/ [15:00] okay, okay :P [15:00] I'll be waiting for it. [15:02] ok, it has started [15:02] question has been asked, we'll see if it gets answered [15:03] I kinda had to dump the question now because i have to leave soon [15:05] That's the only way to get them in anyway. [15:11] that's good news, from mark [15:12] well, it's kinda required [15:12] unity doesn't work with Orca [15:12] What? it is touchpad, not accessibility [15:12] oh, yuck [15:13] It's just more rhetoric [15:13] "we support it, as long as it doesn't get in the way" [15:13] webkit problem, i think [15:14] But if we could get mark pushing it as hard as unity or ayatana, we would have it working [15:14] * charlie-tca shuts up and hides again [15:19] charlie-tca: what do you think I'm hoping for? ;-) [15:20] I know, just frustrated, I guess. [15:21] they will push touchpad, and if it happens to help with accessibility, it's called "We did IT! everyone can use this, regardless of disablitiy" [15:34] charlie-tca: heh [17:41] charlie-tca: how'd it go? [17:42] not bad. Not as good as I hoped, though. [17:43] audience doesn't seem to be there, maybe? Or I was not getting their interest this time. [18:03] dang, I stepped out from work -> home just when you started [18:04] need to look at logs [18:12] I think I was boring today [18:26] evening [18:27] so not a spectacular answer from Mark, but not a disaster either [18:28] AlanBell: eh? [18:28] dutchie: in the openweek session [18:28] yeah, just read back [18:28] it felt a bit PR-y to me, but was honestly more involved than I expected [18:29] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/14/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t15:10 [18:30] it would be good to get more bugs filed against the website for accessibility [18:30] not sure there are enough against the new design === JanC_ is now known as JanC === maco2 is now known as maco [23:56] rant posted, off to bed now o/ [23:56] if any web designers turn up, do be nice to them :)