[00:09] <rickspencer3> TheMuso, robert_ancell, RAOF ... I have a programming question about Pulse that I bet one of you guys can help with
[00:09] <RAOF> I'm moderately familiar with it, given my half-finished C# bindings :)
[00:09] <rickspencer3> I want to be able to pipe sound effects into "input"
[00:10] <rickspencer3> basically, I want to add sound effects when I am talking on the desktop
[00:10] <rickspencer3> someone suggested in #gstreamer that I would create a virtual input hook
[00:10] <rickspencer3> but google is not giving up the goods
[00:10] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[00:10] <rickspencer3> (just something to get me going in Google would be great)
[00:11] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, btw, I totally ripped off your simple-* naming convention
[00:11] <rickspencer3> I have simpel-cam and simple-sounds already in my PPA
[00:11] <RAOF> So, you basically want to stick a filter in the input path, right?  Or mix two separate sound sources into one input stream?
[00:11] <rickspencer3> sorry dude
[00:11] <rickspencer3> RAOF, I think I want to mix the sound sources
[00:12] <rickspencer3> so imagine we are on mumble, and you tell a joke
[00:12] <rickspencer3> I want to hit my "rimshot" sound effect, and have everyone in the channel hear it
[00:12] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, heh, it's the new trend!
[00:13] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, sorry, no pulse knowledge here
[00:13] <RAOF> I think you want to set up a virtual source, in a mirror-image to the virtual sink that paprefs gives you.
[00:14] <RAOF> One of the pa* apps has a checkbox to set up a virtual sink that combines all your outputs into a single virtual soundcard; you should be able to do the same, but for input.
[00:15] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[00:15] <rickspencer3> this seems really unnecessarily complex
[00:15] <rickspencer3> thanks RAOF, I
[00:15] <rickspencer3> 'll see what Google turns up
[00:16] <RAOF> It's possible there's an easier way to do it; that's just what I'd look at off the top of my head.
[01:10] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: I think RAOF is on the right track. I must admit I haven't delved into Pulse that deeply. For such tasks I usually turn to jack.
[01:15] <rickspencer3> TheMuso, how would you suggest I solve the problem?
[01:15] <rickspencer3> I guess Pulse is really just a means to an end
[01:16] <rickspencer3> should I go through alsa or such?
[01:16] <TheMuso> Yeah, I'd have to research the pulse method, because jack stuff can get complex.
[01:16] <rickspencer3> it may shock you to hear that I can find no documentation or sample code for this
[01:17] <TheMuso> Right. So far as I can tell after a quick look, one has to use ocmmand-line utilities to set up virtual streams.
[01:18] <RAOF> Or link to libpulse.
[01:19] <RAOF> But you're probably writing python, and manually generating bindings for pulse is not going to be a barell of laughs.
[01:19] <RAOF> *barrel
[01:20] <TheMuso> The other method I have in mind requires either manual intervention using pavucontrol, or more pulse library calls.
[01:20] <rickspencer3> geez, I guess I could write a little c-wrapper
[01:20] <rickspencer3> but it seems a bit over the top
[01:20] <TheMuso> The method is using the monitor stream to record, the monitor stream is basically whatever you hear from your speakers.
[01:21] <RAOF> Using python ctypes and binding just enough to do what you want wouldn't be abominably hard, I guess.
[01:21] <rickspencer3> but stupid
[01:21] <rickspencer3> I mean, geez
[01:21] <rickspencer3> I guess I can just shell out to cli toos
[01:22] <RAOF> Yeah.
[01:22] <RAOF> The cli tools aren't terrible; I used them for my unittests.
[01:24]  * TheMuso is trying to find stuff he remembers seeing about virtual streams, and creating them.
[01:25] <crimsun> why wouldn't you be using libcanberra?
[01:25] <TheMuso> Actually, thats a good point.
[01:26] <RAOF> Because it hasn't got python bindings?  And does it actually cover this?
[01:26] <RAOF> Yeah, it's all about the event sounds.  Different domain.
[01:27] <crimsun> as it stands *now*, yes.  As it was intended, no.
[01:28] <RAOF> It was also intended to be able to insert event sounds into the input stream?
[01:28] <RAOF> Or as a general audio connection library?
[01:30] <crimsun> the latter moreso
[01:32]  * mclasen recommends https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss as good place to gain pulseaudio knowledge
[01:33]  * TheMuso is on that list, and searching archives for info.
[01:34] <Cimi> kenvandine: ping
[01:50] <TheMuso> Hrm, can't seem to find what I thought I remember seeing, how to set up a virtual device etc. No commands/modules stand out as being needed to do this...
[02:38] <kenvandine> hey Cimi
[02:44] <Cimi> hi kenvandine
[02:44] <Cimi> kenvandine: I was wondering why murrine doesn't build in the PPA with dh_gtkmodules
[02:45] <kenvandine> got a build log?
[02:45] <Cimi> I had to upload a version without it
[02:45] <Cimi> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57576195/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1%2Bgit20101013-0ubuntu1~build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:46] <Cimi> dh_gtkmodules
[02:46] <Cimi> make: dh_gtkmodules: Command not found
[02:46] <Cimi> make: *** [binary-arch] Error 127
[02:46] <Cimi> kenvandine: ^^
[02:46] <kenvandine> humm
[02:46] <Cimi> anyway here's the blog post: :) http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2010/10/14/murrine-and-ubuntus-light-themes-ported-to-gtk-30-with-a-ppa/
[02:47] <kenvandine> oh
[02:47] <kenvandine> build depends
[02:47] <kenvandine> libgtk2.0-dev contains that
[02:47] <kenvandine> the 3.0 version must not
[02:47] <Cimi> ok
[02:47] <Cimi> it's something for seb128
[02:47] <kenvandine> yeah
[02:47] <kenvandine> let him know
[02:47] <Cimi> will do tomorrow
[02:47] <Cimi> even though
[02:47] <kenvandine> libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/bin/dh_gtkmodules
[02:48] <Cimi> I'm not sure it is needed for murrine
[02:48] <kenvandine> so i assume it is just missing in the new package
[02:48] <kenvandine> or maybe it is /usr/bin/dh_gtk3modules or something
[02:48] <Cimi> no
[02:48] <Cimi> nothing
[02:50] <Cimi> kenvandine: thank you, going to bed
[02:50] <Cimi> 4am here :)
[02:56] <kenvandine> good night!
[07:20] <pitti> Good morning
[07:31] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[07:50] <pitti> robert_ancell: would you mind reuploading simple-scan with -v to include the previous changelog?
[08:00] <pitti> TheMuso: can you please reupload pulseaudio with a fixed bug reference in the changelog? It's missing the #
[08:00] <TheMuso> pitti: Whoops, thanks, will do.
[08:00] <pitti> TheMuso: thanks
[08:02] <TheMuso> pitti: Done.
[08:03] <TheMuso> I really should have caught that earlier, due to not receiving an email stating that a branch for maverick had been linked. Oh well.
[08:03] <pitti> no problem :)
[08:05] <didrocks> good morning
[08:05] <TheMuso> Morning didrocks.
[08:06] <didrocks> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[08:06] <TheMuso> didrocks: Not too bad thanks. Starting to get a small taste of summer, and not really being ready for it. Yourself?
[08:06] <didrocks> TheMuso: starting to get a small taste of winter here :)
[08:18] <robert_ancell> pitti, just dput -v the previous .changes file?
[08:20] <geser> robert_ancell: debuild -v to get the previous changelog entries into the .changes file and then dput
[08:20] <didrocks> hey robert_ancell, did you have some good vacation?
[08:21] <robert_ancell> didrocks, sure did
[08:22] <robert_ancell> geser, thanks
[08:22] <robert_ancell> geser, -v 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 (maverick) or -v 2.32.0-0ubuntu2 (maverick-proposed) ?
[08:23] <geser> which version are you going to upload?
[08:23] <seb128> hey didrocks robert_ancell
[08:24] <seb128> hey geser
[08:24] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:24] <robert_ancell> geser, I'm uploading 2.32.0-0ubuntu3
[08:24] <seb128> didrocks, ca va ?
[08:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey
[08:24] <geser> seb128: Hi
[08:24] <seb128> robert_ancell, how are you? got my email?
[08:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, good, sure did
[08:24] <didrocks> seb128: ça va bien, merci, et toi ? :)
[08:24] <seb128> didrocks, ca va ;-)
[08:24] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, great, welcome back btw ;-)
[08:25] <robert_ancell> seb128, thanks, UDS is rushing up fast :)
[08:25] <seb128> robert_ancell, don't forget the register blueprints!
[08:25] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, I'll have them done this week... :)
[08:25] <geser> robert_ancell: -v2.32.0-0ubuntu1 (the last changelog entry is there by default and pitti wanted the previous one too)
[08:25] <seb128> robert_ancell, only one day left this week ;-)
[08:26] <pitti> robert_ancell: debuild -S -v<maverick version>
[08:26] <pitti> robert_ancell: so that the source.changes will include the last two records
[08:26] <robert_ancell> so -v means, report all changelog entries after the one specified?
[08:26] <robert_ancell> pitti, ok, uploaded
[08:27] <pitti> robert_ancell: right
[08:27] <pitti> robert_ancell: thanks
[08:27] <geser> robert_ancell: see "man dpkg-genchanges" for the meaning of -v
[08:27] <robert_ancell> seb128, how are things in Maverick generally?  I've fixed the annoying bugs in gcalctool and simple-scan, haven't heard of any other stuff needing much sru work
[08:27] <robert_ancell> geser, ah, thanks
[08:28] <seb128> robert_ancell, the maverick desktop is solid, let's not spend lot of time on srus but start rather on the new unstable
[08:28] <seb128> robert_ancell, did you see I got gtk3 builds running?
[08:28] <robert_ancell> I read that, haven't tried it yet
[08:28] <seb128> though the amd64 buildds don't like it for some reason
[08:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, I want to settle the gtk3 platform early in maverick
[08:29] <seb128> ups, natty
[08:29] <TheMuso> heh
[08:29] <seb128> so we can do gradual updates
[08:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, better to be broken early rather than later
[08:29] <seb128> speaking of which
[08:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, what about firefox and GTK+?
[08:30] <TheMuso> I remember seeing a spec for UDS about moving to firefox 4.
[08:30] <seb128> the gobject-introspection upstream broke abi again
[08:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, I saw that just before I left.  Wasn't impressed....
[08:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, you mean? what about those?
[08:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, will FF work with GTK3?
[08:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, well since we will rebuild a lot when the new distro open
[08:30] <seb128> we should maybe land the new gobject-introspection this week
[08:30] <seb128> or early next week
[08:31] <robert_ancell> +1, I can do that
[08:31] <seb128> so we start on the new abi and avoid another transition
[08:31] <seb128> robert_ancell, that would be great
[08:31] <seb128> I will keep on gtk3 then
[08:31] <seb128> Cimi got a murrine build for it
[08:31] <seb128> I will do some other libs today
[08:31] <seb128> robert_ancell, not sure about firefox but I doubt we will get ride of gtk2 in one cycle
[08:32] <seb128> we will need both versions on the CD
[08:32] <seb128> would it only be for pygtk
[08:32] <seb128> we will probably not port software-center etc to pygi in one cycle
[08:32] <robert_ancell> yeah, I thought so
[08:32] <seb128> not to mention that there is no bindings to port tomboy or banshee
[08:33] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw read query
[08:34] <robert_ancell> seb128, read query?
[08:35] <seb128> robert_ancell, what IRC client do you use? ;-)
[08:35] <bilalakhtar> robert_ancell: Welcome back :D
[08:35] <robert_ancell> xchat-gnome
[08:35] <robert_ancell> bilalakhtar, hi, thanks
[08:35] <seb128> robert_ancell, you should have a entry on the left with me name :p
[08:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, ? I'm confused
[08:36] <seb128> with *my* name
[08:36] <seb128> robert_ancell, I opened a query on the other IRC and I've been writting to you
[08:36] <seb128> I'm wondering now if that's my client having issues
[08:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, private message?  I'm not seeing one
[08:40] <seb128> robert_ancell, seems my IRC client was having issues
[08:40] <seb128> it showed me connected but I was getting nothing from the server since I connected
[08:41] <bilalakhtar> seb128: xchat is having issues?
[08:42] <robert_ancell> weird
[08:42] <seb128> dunno that's the first time that happens
[08:42] <Cimi> seb128: I've created a ppa
[08:42] <seb128> anyway after a reconnect it works
[08:43] <seb128> hey Cimi
[08:43] <bilalakhtar> now my client faced issues :D
[08:44] <Cimi> seb128: http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2010/10/14/murrine-and-ubuntus-light-themes-ported-to-gtk-30-with-a-ppa/
[08:45] <Cimi> seb128: also, I guess your libgtk3.0-dev lacks of /usr/bin/dh_gtkmodules
[08:45] <Cimi> or /usr/bin/dh_gtk3modules
[08:45] <seb128> hum
[08:45] <seb128> slomo, ^ do you know about that?
[08:45] <Cimi> I had to disavle it in order to compile murrine in the PPA
[08:46] <Cimi> seb128: it's a debian helper script related to gtk+ modules
[08:46] <Cimi> as long as I know it's installed with libgtk2.0-dev
[08:47] <Cimi> it was used in gtk2-engines-murrine, but I removed it from 3.0 because it was not building
[08:56] <slomo> seb128: there should be no need for that anymore
[08:56] <seb128> Cimi, ^
[08:57] <seb128> Cimi, what error did you get without it?
[08:57] <Cimi> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57576195/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1%2Bgit20101013-0ubuntu1~build1 │ chaotic
[08:57] <Cimi> _FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:57] <Cimi> ops
[08:57] <Cimi> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57576195/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1%2Bgit20101013-0ubuntu1~build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:58] <Cimi> seb128: ^^
[08:58] <seb128> well seems you just need to update your rules to not call it
[08:59] <Cimi> seb128: that's exactly what I did for ~build2
[08:59] <seb128> ok great
[09:01] <Cimi> seb128: not sure if you want to ship murrine in your ppa
[09:01] <Cimi> seb128: or leave it in mine
[09:01] <seb128> I will ship it in the gtk3 one
[09:01] <seb128> we want everything in one location
[09:01] <Cimi> ok
[09:02] <Cimi> anyway that was a good training for me :-)
[09:06] <Cimi> ivanka: I know you are at home, anyway you might be interested http://goo.gl/lUUR
[09:42] <pitti> didrocks: eww, why does lp:ubuntu/lucid/indicator-sound have all the maverick bits? seems there's no proper lucid branch for indicator-sound now?
[09:42] <didrocks> pitti: let me check
[09:45] <didrocks> pitti: are you sure it's me, I don't think I dealt with 0.4.8-0ubuntu1?
[09:46] <pitti> hmmm
[09:46] <pitti> bzr lp-open lp:ubuntu/lucid/indicator-sound
[09:46] <pitti> this opens https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-sound/ubuntu
[09:46] <pitti> it seems that the ubuntu/lucid/indicator-sound pointer is wrong somehow
[09:46] <pitti> and no james_w around :/
[09:47] <didrocks> right, it souldn't open that one…
[09:47] <pitti> I'll try lp:ubuntu/lucid-updates/indicator-sound then
[09:48] <didrocks> oh, didn't know about that one. Was thinking we kept using ubuntu/<version>
[09:48] <pitti> right, that works fine
[09:49] <pitti> so something screwed up the lucid/indicator-sound link
[09:49] <pitti> didrocks: nevermind then, thanks
[10:26]  * ari-tczew has done merge epiphany-browser from Debian unstable and it's ready to upload.
[10:31] <pitti> ari-tczew: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue?queue_state=1 will gladly welcome it amongst its peers :)
[10:32] <ari-tczew> pitti: I'm not convinced to upload it right now. However, it built fine on my pbuilder-dist maverick.
[10:45] <seb128> why not uploading?
[10:49] <ari-tczew> seb128: apprehension to ftbfs
[10:50] <ari-tczew> anyway, small chances
[10:50] <seb128> it's early in the unstable cycle
[10:50] <seb128> if it fails to build somebody will fix it
[10:50] <seb128> otherwise if you don't upload it might be that somebody just redo your work
[10:51] <ari-tczew> seb128: right, I'll upload it soon.
[10:53] <TheMuso> Wht the big amount of changes going in at the beginning of a cycle, packages FTBFS is almost 100% sure to happen.
[10:53] <pitti> right; we usually throw it all into the big pot, stir well, and see what falls out
[10:54] <pitti> and it usually works reasonably well
[11:04] <davidbarth> seb128: who's the X guy in this timezone? i have an annoying dri/radeon crasher with a stack trace
[11:04] <seb128> none
[11:04] <seb128> try #ubuntu-x
[11:04] <davidbarth> ok
[11:04] <seb128> we have no assigned canonical staff working on X in this timezone
[11:04] <davidbarth> seb128: for filing a bug report, preferably mesa or is there something more specific to track it?
[11:05] <pitti> or file a bug and subscribe RAOFG
[11:05] <pitti> RAOF, even
[11:05] <seb128> you should ask on #ubuntu-x
[11:05] <seb128> or what pitti said
[11:05] <seb128> they will reassign if required
[11:05] <davidbarth> right, i'll subscribe RAOF
[11:05] <davidbarth> cool thanks
[11:17] <ari-tczew> pitti: new development cycle always starts with merges in queue?
[11:18] <pitti> ari-tczew: yes, we always start a new release in "frozen" state -- we need to settle the toolchain first
[11:18] <pitti> so that all builds happen against the new natty toolchain
[11:48] <slomo> seb128: saw what i've written about dh_gtkmodules?
[11:55] <ari-tczew> epiphany-browser uploaded to natty queue.
[12:16] <seb128> slomo, yes, thanks, it was just a leftover in the theme rules
[12:23] <Cimi> seb128: ping
[12:23] <seb128> Cimi, hey
[12:23] <Cimi> I have a small problem
[12:23] <Cimi> the file
[12:23] <Cimi> /usr/share/gtk-engines/murrine.xml
[12:24] <Cimi> is contained in both gtk2-engines-murrine and gtk3-engines-murrine
[12:24] <Cimi> this produces a conflict at the install
[12:24] <Cimi> seb128: ^^
[12:25] <Cimi> so, what do I need to do? :( renaming the xml to a different name, or simply don't care when dpkg will overwrite? (and how can I tell apt to ignore the overwrite error)?
[12:26] <seb128> Cimi, dpkg will not ignore the overwrite
[12:26] <kenvandine> Cimi, you have to rename it
[12:26] <seb128> did you try to see what the gtk-engines guy did?
[12:26] <seb128> not sure if you should change the directory or the xml
[12:26] <Cimi> seb128: no
[12:26] <Cimi> let me see
[12:27] <seb128> but you need to rename it in some way
[12:27] <Cimi> seb128: they place them in /usr/share/gtk-engines/3.0/
[12:28] <Cimi> let me update the engine
[12:35] <Cimi> seb128: source uploaded to my PPA :)
[12:35] <seb128> Cimi, great
[12:35] <Cimi> seb128: it's easy to play with PPAs ;)
[12:36] <seb128> ;-)
[12:43] <TheMuso> seb128: So is bonbo definitely going away in natty, i.e demoted to universe?
[12:43] <TheMuso> bonobo
[12:43] <seb128> dunno yet, would be nice to get there though
[12:43] <seb128> do you know if the accessibility stack will stop using it?
[12:45] <seb128> it's probably one of the few remaining things depending on it
[12:46] <Cimi> seb128: launchpad told me it built the package, but there's no deb here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/cimi/theming/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk3-engines-murrine/
[12:47] <seb128> Cimi, could be that it's not published yet
[12:48] <seb128> wait a few minutes
[12:48] <Cimi> ok
[13:29] <Cimi> seb128: is the versioning wrong?
[13:29] <Cimi> it doesn't update
[13:29] <Cimi> 0.98.1.1+git20101014-0ubuntu1~build1 should be newer than 0.98.1.1+git20101013-0ubuntu1~build2
[13:30] <Cimi> oh no it works
[13:30] <Cimi> the problem is with the previous broken installation
[13:30] <seb128> Cimi, https://edge.launchpad.net/~cimi/+archive/theming/+build/1997188
[13:30] <seb128> https://edge.launchpad.net/~cimi/+archive/theming/+build/1997188/+files/gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1%2Bgit20101014-0ubuntu1%7Ebuild1_i386.deb
[13:30] <seb128> it worked
[13:31] <Cimi> yeah
[13:38] <nigelb> ha, future of blueprint, in tomby and synced :D
[13:39] <ronoc> pitti, here is a fix for that regression -> https://launchpad.net/indicator-sound/sound-menu-v2/0.4.9
[13:39] <ronoc> lunch time
[13:53] <mterry> seb128, what's with https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds/+build/1996029 taking so long?  I saw it building last night, around the same step (looked like configure being run)
[13:53] <seb128> mterry, that I would like to know
[13:53] <seb128> it did built in less than 20 minutes on intel
[13:54] <mterry> That's fast.  :)
[14:06] <cyphermox> hey
[14:08] <ari-tczew> hey cyphermox
[14:19]  * kenvandine runs out for a few, be back in about 30m
[14:29] <seb128> Cimi, one issue with your git snapshot, you don't have an orig tarball
[14:30] <seb128> Cimi, you should name the make dist tarball gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig.tar.gz
[14:43] <mpt> mvo, do you have a few minutes to talk about this --add-on CD/DVD stuff?
[14:49] <Cimi> ok
[14:50] <Cimi> seb128: isn't the source tarball obtained with debuild -S?
[14:50] <seb128> no
[14:51] <Cimi> seb128: but I'm sending source.changes
[14:51] <Cimi> seb128: with dput
[14:51] <Cimi> and debuild -S produces the tarball
[14:52] <seb128> right
[14:52] <seb128> but instead of having an upstream tarball and a diff.gz with the ubuntu diff you get one tarball
[14:52] <seb128> it means you are reuploading the source at each revision
[14:52] <seb128> rather than just uploading a new diff.gz
[14:52] <Cimi> yeah
[14:52] <Cimi> ok
[14:52] <mvo> mpt: now is not ideal, I'm currently working on something different, later or maybe tomorrow morning?
[14:52] <Cimi> so how can I make this?
[14:52] <seb128> git clone ...
[14:52] <seb128> cd source
[14:52] <Cimi> ok
[14:53] <seb128> do make dist there
[14:53] <Cimi> as I'm doing now
[14:53] <seb128> and rename the tarball there as indicated before
[14:53] <Cimi> ok, but later I'll have to add the debian dir
[14:53] <Cimi> acquallt what I'm doing is:
[14:53] <seb128> run debuild -S
[14:53] <Cimi> making dist
[14:54] <seb128> it will do the diff between your dir and the tarball
[14:54] <Cimi> ok
[14:54] <Cimi> let me try
[14:56] <mpt> mvo, ok, how about 0830-0900 UTC?
[14:56] <mpt> tomorrow morning
[14:57] <Cimi> seb128: I have gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig.tar.gz
[14:57] <mpt> mvo, so 1030 your time
[14:57] <Cimi> then I do cd gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014
[14:57] <Cimi> here, after editing the changelog bla bla
[14:57] <Cimi> I run debuild -S
[14:57] <mvo> mpt: that is fine
[14:57] <mvo> mpt: thanks
[14:57] <Cimi> and it generates
[14:58] <Cimi> gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014-0ubuntu1~build1.tar.gz
[14:58] <Cimi> again :(
[14:58] <Cimi> no diff.gz
[14:58] <seb128> Cimi, can you pastebin the debuild -S log?
[14:59] <seb128> Cimi, the orig.tar.gz is in the same directory right?
[15:00] <Cimi> seb128: http://pastebin.com/zaNar55a
[15:00] <Cimi> seb128: in the parent dir
[15:00] <Cimi> seb128: where it puts the dsc etc etc
[15:01] <seb128> Cimi, can you pastebin a ls from the dir?
[15:02] <Cimi> seb128: parent?
[15:02] <seb128> yes
[15:02] <Cimi> http://pastebin.com/ZYvHyKjX
[15:03] <Cimi> seb128: ^
[15:04] <seb128> Cimi, you did a typo
[15:04] <seb128> you need a "_"
[15:04] <seb128> between the name and version
[15:04] <seb128> not a "-"
[15:04] <seb128> gtk3-engines-murrine-0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig.tar.gz
[15:04] <seb128> -> gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig.tar.gz
[15:04] <Cimi> oh ok
[15:05] <seb128> "-" can be part of the name, "_" is the char to use to split name and version
[15:08] <didrocks> pitti: hey, can you please reject my e-d-s upload? I'll have another fix to backport to it
[15:08] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, cyphermox, didrocks, kenvandine, mterry, pitti, Riddell, TheMuso: I just got confirmation that the new Engineer Manager, Desktop will start on Monday!
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> excellent :)
[15:08] <didrocks> awesome \o/
[15:08] <pitti> TAKE THAT, EDS!
[15:08]  * pitti swings slashaxe
[15:08] <didrocks> pitti: :-)
[15:08] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:09] <pitti> rickspencer3: /me does the desktop team dance
[15:09] <Riddell> rickspencer3: anyone nice?
[15:09] <rickspencer3> Riddell, yeah, I think so
[15:09] <mterry> yay
[15:09] <pitti> the last desktop team manager who started his first day on a DX sprint did awesomely well
[15:09] <rickspencer3> he seems very nice, indeed
[15:09] <mterry> :)  I hope you think so
[15:09] <rickspencer3> pitti, that's because he was sitting next to you
[15:10] <Cimi> seb128: http://pastebin.com/qUMdqE5f
[15:10]  * didrocks writes down. the new manager has to sit down next to pitti to be awesome :)
[15:10] <seb128> Cimi, great, it works ;-)
[15:10] <didrocks> let's write the 10 desktop team manager rules :)
[15:10] <pitti> 1. must supply Seb and Didier with coffee and cookies
[15:10] <seb128> ;-)
[15:11] <Cimi> seb128: mm
[15:11] <Cimi> seb128: I pastebin it because I'm not satisfied
[15:11] <Cimi> dpkg-source: warning: source directory 'gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> 'gtk3-engines-murrine-0.98.1.1+git20101014'
[15:11] <Cimi> dpkg-source: warning: .orig directory name gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig is not <package>-<upstreamversion> (wanted gtk3-engines-murrine-0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig)
[15:11] <seb128> Cimi, you should not rename the dir
[15:11] <Cimi> ok
[15:12] <seb128> only the tarball
[15:12] <seb128> Cimi, the dir should have a "-"
[15:12] <Cimi> seb128: and the tarball, should contain?
[15:12] <Cimi> gtk3-engines-murrine-0.98.1.1...
[15:12] <seb128> yes
[15:13] <seb128> we don't repack tarballs
[15:13] <seb128> we usually take the upstream one
[15:13] <Cimi> ok
[15:13] <seb128> just rename it source_version.orig.tar.gz
[15:13] <Cimi> let me try
[15:13] <didrocks> pitti: nice one :-)
[15:13] <pitti> didrocks: if you tell him that Rick used to, I'll vouch for you
[15:13] <rickspencer3> hehe
[15:14] <rickspencer3> pitti, I know you meant that as a joke, but I told him that his first priority is to do whatever it takes to get you guys through UDS efficiently
[15:14] <didrocks> ok, let's not tell if it then :p
[15:14] <pitti> of course he'll then claim cookie/coffee supply rights from Rick, but we'll let that be SEP :)
[15:14] <rickspencer3> and I specifically mentioned "fetching coffee" if that's what is needed ;)
[15:14] <didrocks> heh
[15:16] <seb128> ok, doing a small work break, be back in a bit
[15:16] <Cimi> seb128: seems to work, but dput didn't send the tarball
[15:16] <seb128> Cimi, use debuild -S -sa
[15:16] <Cimi> ok
[15:17] <seb128> it usually send it only once
[15:17] <seb128> it does magic on the revision for that
[15:17] <seb128> you need to force it if you are not on -0ubuntu1 or -1
[15:21] <Cimi> seb128: that worked!
[15:21] <Cimi> thx
[15:55] <tremolux> howdy seb128, I'm setting up this blueprint to track USC version 4.0 UI Enhancements:
[15:55] <tremolux> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-desktop-n-software-center-ui-enhancements
[15:55] <tremolux> and I'm wondering what I have not yet set up correctly there..
[15:56] <tremolux> to make it show up for uds-n
[15:56] <seb128> tremolux, hey
[15:56] <tremolux> seb128: hiya!
[15:56] <seb128> nothing, it just needs to get accepted for uds
[15:57] <tremolux> seb128: ah, ok cool
[15:57] <seb128> done
[15:57] <tremolux> seb128: thanks  :)
[15:57] <seb128> kenvandine, ups, I forgot to ping you yesterday but the pitivi guys said you forgot to add the patch to the serie
[15:58] <seb128> the bug you fixed just before maverick, so the fix is not used
[15:58] <kenvandine> oh?
[15:58] <seb128> tremolux, you're welcome
[15:58]  * kenvandine looks
[15:58] <seb128> kenvandine, I told them we would fix it in a SRU, if you can check that... ;-)
[15:58] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[16:05] <kenvandine> seb128, uploaded :)
[16:05] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks!
[16:05]  * kenvandine should use one branch per package :)
[17:07] <seb128> mvo, do you know why synaptic recommends libgnome2-perl?
[17:20] <mvo> seb128: yes, for debconf
[17:21] <mvo> seb128: for the gnome frontend
[17:21] <seb128> mvo, why don't you let debconf recommends it?
[17:21] <mvo> seb128: ask the debconf maintainer ;)
[17:21] <mvo> seb128: but I can make softare-center/aptdaemon do that
[17:21] <mvo> seb128: they use it as well
[17:21] <seb128> mvo, no you can't!
[17:22] <seb128> mvo, cf #ubuntu-devel btw ;-)
[17:22] <seb128> having libgnome libgnomevfs and perl
[17:22] <seb128> it's adding insanity to madness I say :p
[17:22] <seb128> we want to clean those and use gtk ;-)
[17:24] <mvo> seb128: what does that mean - no debconf?
[17:25] <seb128> mvo, no, basically https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debconf/+bug/415038
[17:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 415038 in debconf (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "port GNOME frontend to GtkAssistant (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,New]
[17:25] <seb128> mvo, ie using gtk rather than libgnome
[17:25] <mvo> seb128: aha, ok. fine with me :)
[17:25] <seb128> mvo, cjwatson said he would work on that, I will ping you to clean your recommends once it's done ;-)
[17:25] <mvo> cool
[17:26] <mvo> please
[17:26] <mvo> looking forward to it
[17:26]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[17:27]  * mvo hugs seb128
[17:28] <seb128> pedro_, you can probably clean several rhythmbox bugs
[17:28] <seb128> pedro_, bug #658590
[17:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 658590 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "[10.10] Rhythmbox will not minimize to sound-indicator if music is not playing (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658590
[17:28] <seb128> pedro_, I've seen several "exit on close" bugs recently
[17:33] <pedro_> seb128, indeed, i've seen some like those as well, will have a look today after finishing with nautilus clean up
[17:36] <seb128> pedro_, thanks
[17:36] <seb128> pedro_, I've tried to ping cosimoc about the crash on eject
[17:36] <seb128> it's getting annoying
[17:38]  * kenvandine grabs lunch, bbiab
[18:05] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #660648 and bug #660647 could be for you
[18:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660648 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Non translated elements in the interface (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660648
[18:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660647 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution will not load images in email from contacts in Ubuntu One (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660647
[21:15] <fta> slomo, fyi, /wrt libvpx: http://codereview.chromium.org/3461024/show  (last comment, #7)
[21:50] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: Awesome to hear.
[21:50] <highvoltage> rickspencer3: ooh, are you around on IRC atm? I sent you an email via launchpad about a spec I need targeted for UDS
[21:51] <rickspencer3> highvoltage, otp
[21:51] <rickspencer3> but I'll look in a few minutes
[21:51] <highvoltage> rickspencer3: thanks!