[00:09] TheMuso, robert_ancell, RAOF ... I have a programming question about Pulse that I bet one of you guys can help with [00:09] I'm moderately familiar with it, given my half-finished C# bindings :) [00:09] I want to be able to pipe sound effects into "input" [00:10] basically, I want to add sound effects when I am talking on the desktop [00:10] someone suggested in #gstreamer that I would create a virtual input hook [00:10] but google is not giving up the goods [00:10] thoughts? [00:10] (just something to get me going in Google would be great) [00:11] robert_ancell, btw, I totally ripped off your simple-* naming convention [00:11] I have simpel-cam and simple-sounds already in my PPA [00:11] So, you basically want to stick a filter in the input path, right? Or mix two separate sound sources into one input stream? [00:11] sorry dude [00:11] RAOF, I think I want to mix the sound sources [00:12] so imagine we are on mumble, and you tell a joke [00:12] I want to hit my "rimshot" sound effect, and have everyone in the channel hear it [00:12] rickspencer3, heh, it's the new trend! [00:13] rickspencer3, sorry, no pulse knowledge here [00:13] I think you want to set up a virtual source, in a mirror-image to the virtual sink that paprefs gives you. [00:14] One of the pa* apps has a checkbox to set up a virtual sink that combines all your outputs into a single virtual soundcard; you should be able to do the same, but for input. [00:15] *sigh* [00:15] this seems really unnecessarily complex [00:15] thanks RAOF, I [00:15] 'll see what Google turns up [00:16] It's possible there's an easier way to do it; that's just what I'd look at off the top of my head. [01:10] rickspencer3: I think RAOF is on the right track. I must admit I haven't delved into Pulse that deeply. For such tasks I usually turn to jack. [01:15] TheMuso, how would you suggest I solve the problem? [01:15] I guess Pulse is really just a means to an end [01:16] should I go through alsa or such? [01:16] Yeah, I'd have to research the pulse method, because jack stuff can get complex. [01:16] it may shock you to hear that I can find no documentation or sample code for this [01:17] Right. So far as I can tell after a quick look, one has to use ocmmand-line utilities to set up virtual streams. [01:18] Or link to libpulse. [01:19] But you're probably writing python, and manually generating bindings for pulse is not going to be a barell of laughs. [01:19] *barrel [01:20] The other method I have in mind requires either manual intervention using pavucontrol, or more pulse library calls. [01:20] geez, I guess I could write a little c-wrapper [01:20] but it seems a bit over the top [01:20] The method is using the monitor stream to record, the monitor stream is basically whatever you hear from your speakers. [01:21] Using python ctypes and binding just enough to do what you want wouldn't be abominably hard, I guess. [01:21] but stupid [01:21] I mean, geez [01:21] I guess I can just shell out to cli toos [01:22] Yeah. [01:22] The cli tools aren't terrible; I used them for my unittests. [01:24] * TheMuso is trying to find stuff he remembers seeing about virtual streams, and creating them. [01:25] why wouldn't you be using libcanberra? [01:25] Actually, thats a good point. [01:26] Because it hasn't got python bindings? And does it actually cover this? [01:26] Yeah, it's all about the event sounds. Different domain. [01:27] as it stands *now*, yes. As it was intended, no. [01:28] It was also intended to be able to insert event sounds into the input stream? [01:28] Or as a general audio connection library? [01:30] the latter moreso [01:32] * mclasen recommends https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss as good place to gain pulseaudio knowledge [01:33] * TheMuso is on that list, and searching archives for info. [01:34] kenvandine: ping [01:50] Hrm, can't seem to find what I thought I remember seeing, how to set up a virtual device etc. No commands/modules stand out as being needed to do this... [02:38] hey Cimi [02:44] hi kenvandine [02:44] kenvandine: I was wondering why murrine doesn't build in the PPA with dh_gtkmodules [02:45] got a build log? [02:45] I had to upload a version without it [02:45] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57576195/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1%2Bgit20101013-0ubuntu1~build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [02:46] dh_gtkmodules [02:46] make: dh_gtkmodules: Command not found [02:46] make: *** [binary-arch] Error 127 [02:46] kenvandine: ^^ [02:46] humm [02:46] anyway here's the blog post: :) http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2010/10/14/murrine-and-ubuntus-light-themes-ported-to-gtk-30-with-a-ppa/ [02:47] oh [02:47] build depends [02:47] libgtk2.0-dev contains that [02:47] the 3.0 version must not [02:47] ok [02:47] it's something for seb128 [02:47] yeah [02:47] let him know [02:47] will do tomorrow [02:47] even though [02:47] libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/bin/dh_gtkmodules [02:48] I'm not sure it is needed for murrine [02:48] so i assume it is just missing in the new package [02:48] or maybe it is /usr/bin/dh_gtk3modules or something [02:48] no [02:48] nothing [02:50] kenvandine: thank you, going to bed [02:50] 4am here :) [02:56] good night! === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [07:20] Good morning [07:31] Morning pitti. [07:50] robert_ancell: would you mind reuploading simple-scan with -v to include the previous changelog? [08:00] TheMuso: can you please reupload pulseaudio with a fixed bug reference in the changelog? It's missing the # [08:00] pitti: Whoops, thanks, will do. [08:00] TheMuso: thanks [08:02] pitti: Done. [08:03] I really should have caught that earlier, due to not receiving an email stating that a branch for maverick had been linked. Oh well. [08:03] no problem :) [08:05] good morning [08:05] Morning didrocks. [08:06] hey TheMuso, how are you? [08:06] didrocks: Not too bad thanks. Starting to get a small taste of summer, and not really being ready for it. Yourself? [08:06] TheMuso: starting to get a small taste of winter here :) [08:18] pitti, just dput -v the previous .changes file? [08:20] robert_ancell: debuild -v to get the previous changelog entries into the .changes file and then dput [08:20] hey robert_ancell, did you have some good vacation? [08:21] didrocks, sure did [08:22] geser, thanks [08:22] geser, -v 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 (maverick) or -v 2.32.0-0ubuntu2 (maverick-proposed) ? [08:23] which version are you going to upload? [08:23] hey didrocks robert_ancell [08:24] hey geser [08:24] salut seb128 [08:24] geser, I'm uploading 2.32.0-0ubuntu3 [08:24] didrocks, ca va ? [08:24] seb128, hey [08:24] seb128: Hi [08:24] robert_ancell, how are you? got my email? [08:24] seb128, good, sure did [08:24] seb128: ça va bien, merci, et toi ? :) [08:24] didrocks, ca va ;-) [08:24] robert_ancell, ok, great, welcome back btw ;-) [08:25] seb128, thanks, UDS is rushing up fast :) [08:25] robert_ancell, don't forget the register blueprints! [08:25] seb128, yeah, I'll have them done this week... :) [08:25] robert_ancell: -v2.32.0-0ubuntu1 (the last changelog entry is there by default and pitti wanted the previous one too) [08:25] robert_ancell, only one day left this week ;-) [08:26] robert_ancell: debuild -S -v [08:26] robert_ancell: so that the source.changes will include the last two records [08:26] so -v means, report all changelog entries after the one specified? [08:26] pitti, ok, uploaded [08:27] robert_ancell: right [08:27] robert_ancell: thanks [08:27] robert_ancell: see "man dpkg-genchanges" for the meaning of -v [08:27] seb128, how are things in Maverick generally? I've fixed the annoying bugs in gcalctool and simple-scan, haven't heard of any other stuff needing much sru work [08:27] geser, ah, thanks [08:28] robert_ancell, the maverick desktop is solid, let's not spend lot of time on srus but start rather on the new unstable [08:28] robert_ancell, did you see I got gtk3 builds running? [08:28] I read that, haven't tried it yet [08:28] though the amd64 buildds don't like it for some reason [08:29] robert_ancell, I want to settle the gtk3 platform early in maverick [08:29] ups, natty [08:29] heh [08:29] so we can do gradual updates [08:29] seb128, yes, better to be broken early rather than later [08:29] speaking of which [08:29] seb128, what about firefox and GTK+? [08:30] I remember seeing a spec for UDS about moving to firefox 4. [08:30] the gobject-introspection upstream broke abi again [08:30] seb128, yes, I saw that just before I left. Wasn't impressed.... [08:30] robert_ancell, you mean? what about those? [08:30] seb128, will FF work with GTK3? [08:30] robert_ancell, well since we will rebuild a lot when the new distro open [08:30] we should maybe land the new gobject-introspection this week [08:30] or early next week [08:31] +1, I can do that [08:31] so we start on the new abi and avoid another transition [08:31] robert_ancell, that would be great [08:31] I will keep on gtk3 then [08:31] Cimi got a murrine build for it [08:31] I will do some other libs today [08:31] robert_ancell, not sure about firefox but I doubt we will get ride of gtk2 in one cycle [08:32] we will need both versions on the CD [08:32] would it only be for pygtk [08:32] we will probably not port software-center etc to pygi in one cycle [08:32] yeah, I thought so [08:32] not to mention that there is no bindings to port tomboy or banshee [08:33] robert_ancell, btw read query [08:34] seb128, read query? [08:35] robert_ancell, what IRC client do you use? ;-) [08:35] robert_ancell: Welcome back :D [08:35] xchat-gnome [08:35] bilalakhtar, hi, thanks [08:35] robert_ancell, you should have a entry on the left with me name :p [08:36] seb128, ? I'm confused [08:36] with *my* name [08:36] robert_ancell, I opened a query on the other IRC and I've been writting to you [08:36] I'm wondering now if that's my client having issues [08:36] seb128, private message? I'm not seeing one [08:40] robert_ancell, seems my IRC client was having issues [08:40] it showed me connected but I was getting nothing from the server since I connected [08:41] seb128: xchat is having issues? [08:42] weird [08:42] dunno that's the first time that happens [08:42] seb128: I've created a ppa [08:42] anyway after a reconnect it works [08:43] hey Cimi [08:43] now my client faced issues :D [08:44] seb128: http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2010/10/14/murrine-and-ubuntus-light-themes-ported-to-gtk-30-with-a-ppa/ [08:45] seb128: also, I guess your libgtk3.0-dev lacks of /usr/bin/dh_gtkmodules [08:45] or /usr/bin/dh_gtk3modules [08:45] hum [08:45] slomo, ^ do you know about that? [08:45] I had to disavle it in order to compile murrine in the PPA [08:46] seb128: it's a debian helper script related to gtk+ modules [08:46] as long as I know it's installed with libgtk2.0-dev [08:47] it was used in gtk2-engines-murrine, but I removed it from 3.0 because it was not building [08:56] seb128: there should be no need for that anymore [08:56] Cimi, ^ [08:57] Cimi, what error did you get without it? [08:57] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57576195/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1%2Bgit20101013-0ubuntu1~build1 │ chaotic [08:57] _FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [08:57] ops [08:57] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57576195/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1%2Bgit20101013-0ubuntu1~build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [08:58] seb128: ^^ [08:58] well seems you just need to update your rules to not call it [08:59] seb128: that's exactly what I did for ~build2 [08:59] ok great [09:01] seb128: not sure if you want to ship murrine in your ppa [09:01] seb128: or leave it in mine [09:01] I will ship it in the gtk3 one [09:01] we want everything in one location [09:01] ok [09:02] anyway that was a good training for me :-) [09:06] ivanka: I know you are at home, anyway you might be interested http://goo.gl/lUUR [09:42] didrocks: eww, why does lp:ubuntu/lucid/indicator-sound have all the maverick bits? seems there's no proper lucid branch for indicator-sound now? [09:42] pitti: let me check [09:45] pitti: are you sure it's me, I don't think I dealt with 0.4.8-0ubuntu1? [09:46] hmmm [09:46] bzr lp-open lp:ubuntu/lucid/indicator-sound [09:46] this opens https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-sound/ubuntu [09:46] it seems that the ubuntu/lucid/indicator-sound pointer is wrong somehow [09:46] and no james_w around :/ [09:47] right, it souldn't open that one… [09:47] I'll try lp:ubuntu/lucid-updates/indicator-sound then [09:48] oh, didn't know about that one. Was thinking we kept using ubuntu/ [09:48] right, that works fine [09:49] so something screwed up the lucid/indicator-sound link [09:49] didrocks: nevermind then, thanks === hyperair is now known as Guest68417 [10:26] * ari-tczew has done merge epiphany-browser from Debian unstable and it's ready to upload. [10:31] ari-tczew: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue?queue_state=1 will gladly welcome it amongst its peers :) [10:32] pitti: I'm not convinced to upload it right now. However, it built fine on my pbuilder-dist maverick. [10:45] why not uploading? [10:49] seb128: apprehension to ftbfs [10:50] anyway, small chances [10:50] it's early in the unstable cycle [10:50] if it fails to build somebody will fix it [10:50] otherwise if you don't upload it might be that somebody just redo your work [10:51] seb128: right, I'll upload it soon. [10:53] Wht the big amount of changes going in at the beginning of a cycle, packages FTBFS is almost 100% sure to happen. [10:53] right; we usually throw it all into the big pot, stir well, and see what falls out [10:54] and it usually works reasonably well [11:04] seb128: who's the X guy in this timezone? i have an annoying dri/radeon crasher with a stack trace [11:04] none [11:04] try #ubuntu-x [11:04] ok [11:04] we have no assigned canonical staff working on X in this timezone [11:04] seb128: for filing a bug report, preferably mesa or is there something more specific to track it? [11:05] or file a bug and subscribe RAOFG [11:05] RAOF, even [11:05] you should ask on #ubuntu-x [11:05] or what pitti said [11:05] they will reassign if required [11:05] right, i'll subscribe RAOF [11:05] cool thanks [11:17] pitti: new development cycle always starts with merges in queue? [11:18] ari-tczew: yes, we always start a new release in "frozen" state -- we need to settle the toolchain first [11:18] so that all builds happen against the new natty toolchain === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar [11:48] seb128: saw what i've written about dh_gtkmodules? [11:55] epiphany-browser uploaded to natty queue. === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:16] slomo, yes, thanks, it was just a leftover in the theme rules [12:23] seb128: ping [12:23] Cimi, hey [12:23] I have a small problem [12:23] the file [12:23] /usr/share/gtk-engines/murrine.xml [12:24] is contained in both gtk2-engines-murrine and gtk3-engines-murrine [12:24] this produces a conflict at the install [12:24] seb128: ^^ [12:25] so, what do I need to do? :( renaming the xml to a different name, or simply don't care when dpkg will overwrite? (and how can I tell apt to ignore the overwrite error)? [12:26] Cimi, dpkg will not ignore the overwrite [12:26] Cimi, you have to rename it [12:26] did you try to see what the gtk-engines guy did? [12:26] not sure if you should change the directory or the xml [12:26] seb128: no [12:26] let me see [12:27] but you need to rename it in some way [12:27] seb128: they place them in /usr/share/gtk-engines/3.0/ [12:28] let me update the engine [12:35] seb128: source uploaded to my PPA :) [12:35] Cimi, great [12:35] seb128: it's easy to play with PPAs ;) [12:36] ;-) [12:43] seb128: So is bonbo definitely going away in natty, i.e demoted to universe? [12:43] bonobo [12:43] dunno yet, would be nice to get there though [12:43] do you know if the accessibility stack will stop using it? [12:45] it's probably one of the few remaining things depending on it [12:46] seb128: launchpad told me it built the package, but there's no deb here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/cimi/theming/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk3-engines-murrine/ [12:47] Cimi, could be that it's not published yet [12:48] wait a few minutes [12:48] ok === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:29] seb128: is the versioning wrong? [13:29] it doesn't update [13:29] 0.98.1.1+git20101014-0ubuntu1~build1 should be newer than 0.98.1.1+git20101013-0ubuntu1~build2 [13:30] oh no it works [13:30] the problem is with the previous broken installation [13:30] Cimi, https://edge.launchpad.net/~cimi/+archive/theming/+build/1997188 [13:30] https://edge.launchpad.net/~cimi/+archive/theming/+build/1997188/+files/gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1%2Bgit20101014-0ubuntu1%7Ebuild1_i386.deb [13:30] it worked [13:31] yeah [13:38] ha, future of blueprint, in tomby and synced :D [13:39] pitti, here is a fix for that regression -> https://launchpad.net/indicator-sound/sound-menu-v2/0.4.9 [13:39] lunch time === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [13:53] seb128, what's with https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds/+build/1996029 taking so long? I saw it building last night, around the same step (looked like configure being run) [13:53] mterry, that I would like to know [13:53] it did built in less than 20 minutes on intel [13:54] That's fast. :) [14:06] hey [14:08] hey cyphermox [14:19] * kenvandine runs out for a few, be back in about 30m [14:29] Cimi, one issue with your git snapshot, you don't have an orig tarball [14:30] Cimi, you should name the make dist tarball gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig.tar.gz [14:43] mvo, do you have a few minutes to talk about this --add-on CD/DVD stuff? === nisshh_linux is now known as nisshh [14:49] ok [14:50] seb128: isn't the source tarball obtained with debuild -S? [14:50] no [14:51] seb128: but I'm sending source.changes [14:51] seb128: with dput [14:51] and debuild -S produces the tarball [14:52] right [14:52] but instead of having an upstream tarball and a diff.gz with the ubuntu diff you get one tarball [14:52] it means you are reuploading the source at each revision [14:52] rather than just uploading a new diff.gz [14:52] yeah [14:52] ok [14:52] mpt: now is not ideal, I'm currently working on something different, later or maybe tomorrow morning? [14:52] so how can I make this? [14:52] git clone ... [14:52] cd source [14:52] ok [14:53] do make dist there [14:53] as I'm doing now [14:53] and rename the tarball there as indicated before [14:53] ok, but later I'll have to add the debian dir [14:53] acquallt what I'm doing is: [14:53] run debuild -S [14:53] making dist [14:54] it will do the diff between your dir and the tarball [14:54] ok [14:54] let me try [14:56] mvo, ok, how about 0830-0900 UTC? [14:56] tomorrow morning [14:57] seb128: I have gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig.tar.gz [14:57] mvo, so 1030 your time [14:57] then I do cd gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014 [14:57] here, after editing the changelog bla bla [14:57] I run debuild -S [14:57] mpt: that is fine [14:57] mpt: thanks [14:57] and it generates [14:58] gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014-0ubuntu1~build1.tar.gz [14:58] again :( [14:58] no diff.gz [14:58] Cimi, can you pastebin the debuild -S log? [14:59] Cimi, the orig.tar.gz is in the same directory right? [15:00] seb128: http://pastebin.com/zaNar55a [15:00] seb128: in the parent dir [15:00] seb128: where it puts the dsc etc etc [15:01] Cimi, can you pastebin a ls from the dir? [15:02] seb128: parent? [15:02] yes [15:02] http://pastebin.com/ZYvHyKjX [15:03] seb128: ^ [15:04] Cimi, you did a typo [15:04] you need a "_" [15:04] between the name and version [15:04] not a "-" [15:04] gtk3-engines-murrine-0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig.tar.gz [15:04] -> gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig.tar.gz [15:04] oh ok [15:05] "-" can be part of the name, "_" is the char to use to split name and version [15:08] pitti: hey, can you please reject my e-d-s upload? I'll have another fix to backport to it [15:08] chrisccoulson, cyphermox, didrocks, kenvandine, mterry, pitti, Riddell, TheMuso: I just got confirmation that the new Engineer Manager, Desktop will start on Monday! [15:08] excellent :) [15:08] awesome \o/ [15:08] TAKE THAT, EDS! [15:08] * pitti swings slashaxe [15:08] pitti: :-) [15:08] thanks! [15:09] rickspencer3: /me does the desktop team dance [15:09] rickspencer3: anyone nice? [15:09] Riddell, yeah, I think so [15:09] yay [15:09] the last desktop team manager who started his first day on a DX sprint did awesomely well [15:09] he seems very nice, indeed [15:09] :) I hope you think so [15:09] pitti, that's because he was sitting next to you [15:10] seb128: http://pastebin.com/qUMdqE5f [15:10] * didrocks writes down. the new manager has to sit down next to pitti to be awesome :) [15:10] Cimi, great, it works ;-) [15:10] let's write the 10 desktop team manager rules :) [15:10] 1. must supply Seb and Didier with coffee and cookies [15:10] ;-) [15:11] seb128: mm [15:11] seb128: I pastebin it because I'm not satisfied [15:11] dpkg-source: warning: source directory 'gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014' is not - 'gtk3-engines-murrine-0.98.1.1+git20101014' [15:11] dpkg-source: warning: .orig directory name gtk3-engines-murrine_0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig is not - (wanted gtk3-engines-murrine-0.98.1.1+git20101014.orig) [15:11] Cimi, you should not rename the dir [15:11] ok [15:12] only the tarball [15:12] Cimi, the dir should have a "-" [15:12]