[00:36] <raevol> any ideas why sound isn't working for me on meerkat?
[01:14] <klaude> Has anyone else run into this? Since upgrading to meerkat whenI boot I get to a background screen with no login form.
[01:42] <froodle> I updated to 10.10 from 10.04, and I noticed the applications menu nested some things differently.  E.g. the games menu had submenus for different genres.  After reboot it went back to previous theme.  How do I change it manually?
[02:33] <keith2> Loading Xubuntu on a old Compaq from 1999. Seems to be going ok. Just quite a long process.
[02:48] <froodle> I updated to 10.10 from 10.04, and I noticed the applications menu nested some things differently.  E.g. the games menu had submenus for different genres.  After reboot it went back to previous theme.  How do I change it manually?
[03:03] <vidd> froodle,  applications->Settings-> Main Menu
[03:05] <froodle> Right, and I see the submenus under Games.
[03:05] <froodle> But the actual applications menu doesn't have any submenus...
[03:09] <vidd> expand the games menu...
[03:09] <vidd> select the sub menu(s)
[03:09] <vidd> open the sub menu
[03:09] <vidd> add launcher
[03:12] <froodle> Don't follow.  Games menu has Arcade, Board, Logic, Role playing, Strategy submenus.  Under Strategy I see about two dozen items including Hedgewars, Pingus, Tremulous, and Warzone 2100.  They're all checked.
[03:12] <vidd> is stragety also checked?
[03:13] <froodle> It's checked under Games, yes.
[03:16] <vidd> hrm
[03:16] <froodle> Hmmm.  Perhaps I can try to send you a screenshot?
[03:18] <vidd> no...i have the same issue =\
[03:18] <froodle> lol
[03:19] <vidd> "file a bug"
[03:20] <vidd> unfortunantly, that is all i can come up with =\
[03:20] <froodle> Well, I'm beginning to think the "Main Menu" configuration box isn't the real editor.
[03:21] <froodle> Probably some .conf somewhere doing this.
[03:21] <vidd> once upon a time, i had a menu config file....
[03:21] <vidd> but then a release made it obsolete....
[03:21] <vidd> and i havent bothered with it since
[03:23] <retry> I just updated from 9.10 to 10.4 (lts)...the old kernel works the new kernel boots up with no display.  What could be the problem?
[03:25] <vidd> retry, did you upgrade by do-release-upgrade, update manager, or via cd?
[03:25] <retry> I updated via update manager
[03:26] <vidd> do you intend to stay on the LTS?
[03:26] <retry> everything works fine otherwise...if i use the old kernel from 9.10 (latest kernel update), everything is great
[03:26] <retry> but if I boot with the 10.04 latest kernel, I get blank screen at the login prompt
[03:26] <retry> i use nosplash and I can see the kernel booting
[03:27] <retry> while in text mode...then when it switches to a graphics mode, things blank out
[03:27] <retry> i can hear the little audio file when the login screen appears, so I know this is purely a display related issue and related to the kernel
[03:27] <vidd> i have a system that refused to load the GUI on 10.04 no matter what i did....
[03:27] <vidd> and it works just fine with 10.10
[03:27] <retry> I see...well since the older kernel works
[03:28] <retry> I have to assume the kernel is the issue
[03:28] <vidd> right....
[03:28] <retry> or at least some interaction between kernel and the graphics driver
[03:28] <vidd> try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and see if you get a new kernel version
[03:28] <retry> yeah I already reinstalled the latest 10.04 kernel
[03:29] <retry> that didn't help though
[03:29] <vidd> what kernel version?
[03:29] <retry> I dont have it in front of me at the moment...let me bring it up
[03:31] <retry> 2.6.32-25
[03:31] <retry> the old working kernel is 2.6.31-22
[03:31] <retry> vidd ^
[03:31] <vidd> retry, 10.10 has kernel version 2.6.35-22
[03:31] <retry> yeah i'm not surprised at all
[03:31] <retry> but I want to stick with the LTS for this system
[03:31] <vidd> are you opposed to upgrading to 10.10?
[03:32] <vidd> ok
[03:32] <retry> if I can't find a satisfying answer to the prob, I would rather just use old kernel
[03:32] <retry> until that is not an option...
[03:33] <vidd> one option is to download the .deb for the new kernel =]
[03:33] <retry> yup
[03:33] <vidd> but since its a LTS, it SHOULD have the new kernel
[03:33] <retry> but a new kernel
[03:34] <retry> would require new glibc and all the binaries to be linked to it
[03:34] <retry> ok here's something interesting
[03:34] <retry> the new kernel boots fine on another system
[03:34] <retry> so it has to be an nvidia card issue
[03:35]  * vidd forgot the first step to troubleshooting video issues: Are you try to make an Nvidia Card work on linux?
[03:35] <vidd> what does lspci say your card is?
[03:37] <retry> well I can't tell that on the faulty system right now (I'm on a different system)
[03:38] <retry> but this is most likely a faulty nvidia driver
[03:38] <retry> I might have to block a module or something
[03:38] <retry> although it's annoying because this install is designed to work on multiple machines
[03:39] <vidd> retry, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:39] <vidd> so it is a known issue with nvidia and 10.04
[03:39] <vidd> steps to fix this exact issue
[03:40] <vidd> (if im reading it right)
[03:41] <retry> sweet thanks I bookmarked
[03:41] <retry> the problem laptop is in use right now (wife is watching some tv in windows)
[03:42] <vidd> retry, i think i identified another issue with it =]
[03:42] <retry> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html
[03:42] <vidd> it has windows on it
[03:42] <retry> I found this ^
[03:43] <retry> this is a usb key install of buntu
[03:43] <retry> had it since 9.10
[03:43] <retry> and it's been working great
[03:43] <retry> i take it with me when I am travelling without a machine
[03:43] <retry> so far it's worked on any system that can boot from usb (i.e. not lousy macs)
[03:44] <retry> and I can even plug it in and boot a virtualbox guest from it
[03:44] <retry> which I'm doing right now in fact
[03:46] <vidd> in THAT case, you may want to do solution 2 from the page you found
[03:46] <vidd> i was under the impresion you were doing a persistant install
[03:47] <vidd> you can also set up a different flash drive with a ppc install to work on mac's
[03:48] <retry> it is persistent
[03:48] <retry> it's just flash storage instead of HDD storage
[03:48] <vidd> no...its a usb drive install
[03:48] <retry> but it's not read only like a live cd
[03:49] <retry> think of it as an SSD only slower
[03:49] <vidd> on a persistant install, none of the hardware changes all that much
[03:49] <retry> sure but it can
[03:49] <retry> or you could swap the HDD out to a different system (done that before)
[03:50] <vidd> since the drive moves from hardware set to hardware set on each boot it is not a persistant install
[03:50] <retry> well whatever...semantic argument ...we're not really disagreeing on anything but what persistant means
[03:50] <vidd> yeah
[03:50] <retry> happy to conform to your definition
[03:51] <vidd> but the issue you are having is the system expecs one set of hardware, but another incompatible set of hardware is present
[03:52] <vidd> so you want the "forcevesa" in the kernel to make all video hardware to be treated as vesa
[03:52] <vidd> wich is the "generic" video driver
[03:52] <retry> yeah that's an ok workaround
[03:53] <retry> vesa performance is crap though
[03:53] <vidd> true...but it is consistant =]
[03:53] <retry> there's this other thing they recommend
[03:53] <retry> nomodeset
[03:53] <retry> is that pushing vesa?
[03:54] <vidd> i believe that would be a less than ideal situation....
[03:54] <retry> ok wife is in the shower...i'm commandeering the other machine...brb
[03:54] <vidd> it limits the ablity to "hotset" some hardware
[03:54] <vidd> like wifi cards and lan cards
[03:56] <retry> alright....booting with forcevesa...
[03:57] <retry> looks like a no go
[03:57] <retry> ok rebooting...
[03:57] <vidd> boot normal....
[03:57] <vidd> and follow the instructions on my link
[03:58] <retry> well I'd have to boot to the old kernel...
[03:58] <retry> i'm gonna try this nomodeset once...then Ill do that
[03:59] <vidd> by adding the restriced driver, it will add the proper driver to the list of moduals for your flash drive to choose from during hardware detection
[03:59] <retry> sweet nomodeset worked
[03:59] <retry> yeah Ill do that now...
[04:00] <vidd> once that is done, try booting normally
[04:00] <Sickler> i lost my touch sensitive button functions from moving from gnome to xfce (ubuntu to xubuntu) how do i fix this
[04:01] <retry> i plan to
[04:01] <retry> installing the proprietary nvidia drivers now
[04:02] <retry> man this has come a long way
[04:02] <vidd> retry, once that is done, and if it works....try booting it from another machine and see if it still boots as expected
[04:02] <retry> not my first time trying to get sound or video working on a linux machine
[04:02] <retry> vidd, I expect that it would
[04:02] <retry> a modular kernel is pretty able to cope with a varying hardware set
[04:03] <retry> as long as the hardware has support
[04:03] <retry> man you can tell how much traffic the ubuntu repos are getting because of 10.10
[04:03]  * vidd has never tried moving hard drives(or bootable flash installs) from system to system
[04:03] <retry> used to get 300KB/s down...now I'm lucky to be fetching 1/10th of that
[04:04] <retry> oh it's fun :D
[04:04] <retry> and one of the great things about linux
[04:04] <retry> windows will think you are stealing it
[04:04] <retry> and macs...well they're all the same anyway so there's no challenge
[04:05] <retry> i dont know how long you've been using nix for vidd, but even just several years ago, debugging video drivers was a serious pain in the ass
[04:05] <retry> there was no 'proprietary hardware installer' built into the GUI
[04:06] <retry> i remember trying to get linux on laptops back in 04...so hard to get wifi support...basically impossible
[04:07] <vidd> yeah...been there
[04:07] <retry> i remember the first time ubuntu came with automatic wifi card detection and would run that cutter script to get proprietary broadcom cards working
[04:08] <retry> that is when I realized ubuntu would be the #1 desktop distro hands down
[04:08] <vidd> actually...debian had it first if im not mistaken....=]
[04:08] <retry> I think that was a 2007 distro...been using ubu since dapper...actually xubu
[04:08] <retry> really?
[04:09] <retry> all my headless servers are debian
[04:09] <raevol> vidd i doubt it, isn't it a proprietary driver?
[04:09] <vidd> ive been using *buntu since breezey
[04:09] <retry> raevol is right
[04:09] <Sickler> i lost my touch sensitive button functions from moving from gnome to xfce (ubuntu to xubuntu) how do i fix this
[04:09] <retry> there's no way deb would support proprietaries
[04:10] <retry> hmm ithink breezy is my first distro too
[04:10] <retry> put it on an old p3 lappy
[04:10] <vidd> it was my first *buntu
[04:10] <bcgrown> i have bluetooth headphones paired with my pc,  connected to "Audio Sink"  but it still plays audio from the speakers,  and i dont see an additional output device anywhere...  what else do i have to do to make it work?
[04:10] <retry> right same
[04:10] <vidd> been using deb even longer
[04:10] <retry> I came from a redhat background
[04:10] <retry> once I saw apt though
[04:10] <retry> I was like screw rpms and yum
[04:11] <retry> oh there was this brief period involving gentoo
[04:11] <retry> but that's best unmentioned
[04:11] <retry> i equate it with going on a drinking binge and waking up in a gutter with someone else's clothes on
[04:11] <vidd> gentoo is for those who like thumbscrews and body peircings =]
[04:11] <retry> well to be fair to myself , I did not choose gentoo
[04:12] <retry> the managing sysadmin of the company I was working at did
[04:12] <retry> and I had to manage a small farm of 50+ gentoo boxes
[04:12] <retry> i guess they have binaries now though
[04:12] <vidd> Sickler, that specific hardware a mouse? monitor?
[04:12] <retry> alright moment of truth vidd...rebooting
[04:13] <retry> sweet the system is nominal
[04:13] <vidd> retry, good luck
[04:13] <Sickler> vidd: the touch sensitive buttons on my dell studio xps 1340. could pause/play in ubuntu, cant in xubuntu
[04:13] <vidd> bcgrown, what audio cards you have?
[04:13] <Sickler> next, last, stop functions.... al lost
[04:13] <Sickler> all lost*
[04:14] <retry> oh xubu probably doesn't auto install the package to control those
[04:14] <vidd> Sickler, so....keyboard buttons?
[04:14] <retry> they're led lit flat buttons built into the case
[04:14] <retry> hotkeys you know
[04:14] <vidd> oh...
[04:14] <Sickler> vidd: retry: exactly
[04:14] <Sickler> sorry didnt know how to properly explain that
[04:15] <bcgrown> vidd: Intel ICH4
[04:15] <vidd> yeah....xfce does not officially support them....you have to set up custom keys
[04:15] <vidd> bcgrown, do an lspci to get the full card name
[04:15] <retry> is there a gnome package you can just add to your xubu install to get them back?
[04:16] <bcgrown> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[04:16] <bcgrown> vidd: ^^
[04:16] <Sickler> vidd: retry: i was hoping it would be a gnome package
[04:16] <retry> well if they worked fine in gnome ubuntu then it stands to reason you just need to readd the pkg
[04:17] <Sickler> i just have no idea what package
[04:17] <bcgrown> vidd: warning though,  i tried following a couple guides i found on the web and may have an audio mess now,  or maybe not, i dunno
[04:17] <vidd> bcgrown, you have to set a setting to your conf file for your audio
[04:17] <retry> you said they were working before right sickler? when you ran ubuntu?
[04:17] <bcgrown> vidd: which conf file?
[04:17] <Sickler> retry: yes
[04:18] <retry> ok then we just need to figure out the package
[04:18] <vidd> bcgrown, i dont remember...that lappy was such a PITA it "accidentally" fell out a forth story windo....twice
[04:19] <Sickler> retry: thats what im trying, more difficult than i thought
[04:19] <bcgrown> vidd: was it the pcm.bluetooth section in .asoundrc?
[04:19] <retry> sickler, aka multimedia keys
[04:19] <retry> gimme a sec and Ill try to help you search
[04:21] <vidd> bcgrown, do real headphones work properly?
[04:22] <retry> Sickler, there is a package in the repos simply called 'hotkeys'
[04:22] <retry> that MIGHT work for you
[04:22] <retry> but I'll keep looking
[04:22] <Sickler> i think i found something but its not package related
[04:22] <Sickler> @ retry: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XfceMultimediaKeys
[04:22] <bcgrown> vidd: yeah the headphone jack and speakers both work fine
[04:22] <vidd> then its a different issue then im thinking about
[04:22] <retry> ahah
[04:23] <bcgrown> hmm. i  had it working before but i forgot what i did :(
[04:23] <retry> that looks like the right thing to do Sickler
[04:23] <retry> sometimes it just takes having the write terminology to search for solutions
[04:23] <retry> right*
[04:24] <Sickler> my other issue is thunar being so different than nautilus, I used F3 to have the split windows all the time and i seem to have lost that capability. also right click and "open as admin) are there solns to this
[04:24] <retry> vidd, thanks for your help
[04:25] <retry> sickler, maybe stick with ubuntu? or try lxde
[04:25] <Sickler> lxde uses gnome?
[04:25] <bcgrown> thunar is kind of annoying sometimes.  the permissions tab doesn't even let you change execute permissions
[04:25] <vidd> lxde has even less autoconfig than xubuntu
[04:25] <bcgrown> Sickler: so use nautilus?
[04:26] <retry> vidd, that doesn't surprise me
[04:26] <Sickler> sudo apt-get install nautilus and sudo apt-get remove --purge thunar?
[04:26] <retry> but lxde is pretty nice still
[04:26] <vidd> oh...absolutely...i love lxde
[04:26] <retry> can you remove thunar from xfce without losing too many deps?
[04:27] <Sickler> no idea
[04:27] <retry> i think that'll pretty much strip your system down
[04:27] <vidd> i just hate how it wants to drage in gdm with it
[04:27] <retry> lxde does?
[04:27] <Sickler> so that would be a bad idea?
[04:28] <retry> probably
[04:28] <retry> do a pretend purge and see what happens
[04:28] <vidd> you can remove thunar with no loss of usability...but nautty will drag a whole bunch of gnome with it
[04:28] <retry> apt-get -s purge thunar
[04:28] <Sickler> whats the -s
[04:28] <retry> simulated
[04:28] <vidd> simulate
[04:28] <vidd> hehe
[04:28] <Sickler> interesting
[04:29] <retry> that's how you can see what will go without actually doing it
[04:29] <vidd> retry, if you want lxde on SLiM instread of GDM, you have to do some heafty hacking....
[04:29] <retry> heh I dont even know what SliM is
[04:29] <retry> but I'll believe you
[04:29] <Sickler> http://pastebin.com/b3Sx7Kg5
[04:30] <vidd> permanently disable the install-recommends.....
[04:30] <vidd> then manually configure SLiM, install HAL....and so on
[04:30] <Sickler> ....
[04:30] <Sickler> u talking to me
[04:30] <vidd> works great on my p2
[04:30] <retry> no to me
[04:31] <Sickler> oh
[04:31] <Sickler> haha
[04:31] <vidd> Sickler, no...to retry
[04:31] <vidd> P2/ 128mb ram
[04:31] <Sickler> it scraps the entire xubuntu desktop....im guessing that would be bad :)
[04:31] <retry> sickler, see you lose a lot of panel applets
[04:32] <retry> xubuntu-desktop is nothing
[04:32] <retry> it's a meta pkg
[04:32] <vidd> Sickler, "xubuntu-desktop" is a package that only calls for other packages
[04:32] <retry> basically if you remove one default pkg from xubuntu the xubuntu desktop pkg will go
[04:32] <vidd> it can be removed safely without issue
[04:32] <retry> but you lose a lot of plugins
[04:32] <retry> like volume control
[04:33] <vidd> you dont lose any plugins....
[04:33] <retry> and the battery applet
[04:33] <vidd> those are in a seperate file
[04:33] <retry> oh they are just orphaned deps
[04:33] <vidd> seperate pakages
[04:33] <Sickler> well, these are my two opinions i think...... just install the gnome plugins there after.... or install xubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu install.... what aboot that
[04:33] <retry> well why do you want xubuntu exactly
[04:34] <vidd> while they are orphaned, theywill still update/upgrade in the future
[04:34] <retry> if you're just going to overload xubu ontop of a full gnome install
[04:34] <retry> you aren't saving anything really
[04:34] <Sickler> yea true
[04:34] <retry> vidd, yeah I wasn't paying attention to the split between what gets removed and what deps are orphaned
[04:34] <vidd> Sickler, what do you LIKE about xubuntu?
[04:35] <retry> but what does thunar have to do with the panel applet functionality?
[04:35] <vidd> tbh, i dont think it does....
[04:35] <retry> but removing thunar makes those plugins useless
[04:35] <vidd> but panel apps are called by xubuntu-desktop
[04:36] <retry> according to the dep tree
[04:36] <retry> are the panels in xfce part of thunar itself?
[04:36] <vidd> i dont believe so
[04:36] <retry> hmm maybe those plugins are not the same as panel applets
[04:37] <retry> nope it is
[04:37] <Sickler> uhhhh this is prob a catch 22 but.... i like the lightweight aspects as i do use virutalization for windows and just runs snapper....ubuntu has the little things i like that i grew to depend on....and this is not imporant but the look of xfce to me is smoother ( i know this is a crummy reason but the first is more imporant)
[04:37] <retry> sickler then learn to live without nautilus and use thunar
[04:37] <retry> because nautilus will add a lot of 'weight'
[04:38] <vidd> those "little things" are all the bulk that makes xfce "snappier" and more responsive =]
[04:38] <Sickler> yea true
[04:39] <Sickler> do you think the difference between gnome and xfce desktops are that much different in their weight
[04:39] <retry> yes and no
[04:39] <Sickler> i guess that depends on the computer
[04:39] <retry> exactly
[04:40] <retry> on my old p3 laptop I definitely felt it
[04:40] <retry> on my i7 quadcore, i dont notice at all
[04:40] <Sickler> well if i layout my specs can i have your opinion
[04:40] <retry> my opinion won't matter much because it's how the thing feels to you
[04:40] <retry> does it feel responsive? is it noticably better with xfce over gnome?
[04:40] <vidd> on my p2 gnome wont load, xfce slugs along and lxde works k
[04:41] <Sickler> a tad yes
[04:41] <retry> yeah on my p3 850mhz, gnome was painful, xfce was usable...never tried lxde
[04:41] <retry> it's all about comfort man
[04:42] <retry> if gnome isn't snappy enough for you, stick with xfce and get used to it...you will in time
[04:42] <vidd> retry, take your i7 and put lxde on SLiM and you'll need to put a leach on it!
[04:42] <retry> if the difference is noticeable but doesn't mater to you...then go back to ubuntu and enjoy the conveniences
[04:42] <vidd> *leash
[04:42] <retry> heh
[04:43] <retry> half the time I use the terminal anyway
[04:43] <retry> I dont much care for the file managers
[04:43] <Sickler> im kinda in between theres a bunch of stuff i can scrap off ubuntu i feel i wouldnt need which could help, or find ways to add to xubuntu which... would kinda defeat the point
[04:43] <retry> *shrug*
[04:43] <retry> you can always remove crap from ubuntu
[04:43] <retry> I always do
[04:44] <retry> turn services off that you dont need
[04:44] <vidd> Sickler, try installing nauty to your xubuntu and see if it works for ya
[04:44] <retry> keep panels to a minimum
[04:44] <retry> alright I'm leaving
[04:44] <retry> thanks again vidd
[04:44] <Sickler> i think i need to research more on customizing a distro next time
[04:44] <retry> good luck sickler
[04:44] <Sickler> thanks retry
[04:44] <Sickler> doh
[04:45] <Sickler> theres not a way to get updates like debian instead of the every six month period is ther
[04:45] <vidd> updates are pretty regular....
[04:46] <vidd> but if you want the "bleeding edge" you can add the testing release ....
[04:47] <vidd> but i would do a dual boot incase there is a crippling bug that takes down the system
[04:47] <vidd> they are rare and they get fixed relatively quickly.....
[04:47] <vidd> but it is always a possibility =]
[04:47] <Sickler> well just as an example: vlc 1.1 was released some time b4 the repos updated, and it was only installed when i installed to 10.10, huge security updates were included in this
[04:48] <vidd> and we need people to test the next release and report bugs anyway
[04:48] <Sickler> well
[04:48] <Sickler> how to i add testing release
[04:48] <vidd> !testing
[04:49] <vidd> do you know how to set up a dual-boot linux/linux install?
[04:51] <Sickler> not linux linux
[04:51] <Sickler> linux xp/vista/win7
[04:52] <vidd> i never did a linux/linux dual boot
[04:52] <Sickler> i back up my stuff all the time, i might not even need an additional boot, i keep a distro on usb for safety reasons
[04:52] <vidd> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/newbie/60680-linux-linux-dual-boot.html
[04:54] <Sickler> i think what i need to do, is to add the testing release ubuntu and scrap the junk i dont use
[04:54] <Sickler> "junk"
[04:54] <Sickler> is it possible to use xubuntu themes in ubuntu?
[04:55] <vidd> please be sure to report any bugs you discover...they are very important
[04:55] <Sickler> i would
[04:55] <vidd> i dont see any reason why not
[04:55] <vidd> you just have to install them
[04:55] <vidd> i do not know how to add themes
[04:57] <Sickler> i used to use linuxmint, simply bc it was more refined, but my issue is like above.... i want updates when they come. it takes them forever to release anything
[04:59] <vidd> if you find there is an update for an app you like, you can always get the .deb and install it
[05:00] <Sickler> yea, but there was like 2000+ updated packages and 1000+ new packages in the 10.04 ->10.10 transition, linuxmint wont get those until 2011 for mint 10
[06:30] <Sickler> where are the background images stored
[06:33] <xubuntu720> @help
[06:33] <xubuntu720> !menu
[06:34] <xubuntu720> !help
[06:54] <jjs3> http://imagebin.org/118427 can someone help me with this color problem
[10:02] <rusty49> morning everyone - it is morning where I am :-)
[10:03] <rusty49> anyone about?
[10:05] <Sysi> !hi
[10:08] <rusty49> mornnnnning everyone - anyone about?
[10:08] <Sysi> !ask
[10:09] <rusty49> Sysi,  hi
[10:10] <rusty49> I have just started using zubuntu yesterday and are still trying to find my way
[10:11] <rusty49> I have trouble adding a launcher to the top panel
[10:11] <rusty49> nothing I do can get any other result than opening the launcher
[10:12] <rusty49> I'm using 10.04
[10:12] <rusty49> xubuntu - not zubuntu -
[10:13] <Sysi> right click → add, command is propably name of program
[10:14] <rusty49> I tried with right-click but it doesn't go to the add command which I know well in Ubuntu
[10:14] <rusty49> it just opens the program - same as left click
[10:17] <Sysi> on panel, not menu
[10:18] <rusty49> aaa
[10:18] <rusty49> I see there are stuff there - will have a look - thanx
[10:21] <rusty49> it worked
[10:28] <rusty49> another question - with open office the top panel of OO is so dark I cannot see the commandline panel at the top
[10:30] <rusty49> I know it is there and I can use it but is there a way to get it lighter?  -  i'm no programmer so have little knowledge of command line
[10:30] <rusty49> eg.  going to 'file' is ok because it is far left, but going to edit and tools etc is guesswork at present
[10:30] <Sysi> shimmer guys ^
[10:31] <rusty49> what's that?
[10:32] <Sysi> !shimmer
[10:32] <rusty49> the name of the file is white on black on my screen
[10:32] <Sysi> project creating theme used in xubuntu
[10:32] <rusty49> oooo
[10:34] <rusty49> where should I go under applications?
[10:35] <rusty49> nothing under themes and tweaks
[10:39] <Sysi> try using different theme?
[10:41] <rusty49> not that familiar with themes - where should I go for themes? is it under 'settings'?
[10:41] <Sysi> settings → appearance
[10:42] <rusty49> OK - there now
[10:42] <rusty49> I see the words 'style' - that it?
[10:42] <rusty49> as part of customising desktop?
[10:43] <Sysi> click some theme on list and see
[10:44] <rusty49> jip - that makes the difference - again = thanx
[10:46] <rusty49> now I can see what is on the screen :-)
[10:48] <rusty49> on my desktop I only have the one written topic in the top panel -> applications
[10:49] <rusty49> is that part of xubuntu? not having systems and places such as Ubuntu there?
[10:49] <Sysi> yes
[10:49] <Sysi> you can add title to places-plugin
[10:50] <Sysi> (make it visible)
[10:50] <rusty49> no, not that I used it in the past
[10:50] <rusty49> but I did use system a lot
[10:50] <rusty49> places not used in past
[10:52] <rusty49> when I click the ?mark on panel at left it tries to open in firefox but doesn't find anything - 'file not found'
[10:53] <rusty49> even if I were on Internet
[10:54] <Sysi> something wrong with command, i assume FF is installed?
[10:54] <Sysi> or do you mean help isn't found?
[10:55] <rusty49> firefox works well
[10:55] <Sysi> i've never even tried that help
[10:56] <rusty49> the help is not found - prosuming that the ?mark stands for 'help' - at far left of top panel
[11:05] <rusty49> help! - I have created a new user along with a password - it accepts my passsword for new user but then askes for a (current) UNIX password
[11:06] <rusty49> nothing i do will accept the password
[11:07] <rusty49> so 1st password accepted for new user, but asks for unix password - the wording includes 'changing password'
[11:08] <rusty49> result is I cannot enter the system as the new user
[11:10] <rusty49> no, not correct - I have now tried a longer password (as part of the unix password) and it opened the system
[11:11] <rusty49> but then my problem is that the longer password is to difficult for a young kid for whom i am setting up the system
[11:13] <rusty49> so now I have changed the password!  the old password does not work anymore
[11:15] <TheSheep> you can always change the password with: sudo passwd username
[11:15] <TheSheep> then it won't ask for the old one
[11:16] <rusty49> will try
[11:16] <TheSheep> (but it will ask for your own password for sudo, of course)
[11:18] <rusty49> result;  user is not in sudoers file
[11:23] <Sysi> login as yourself and then
[11:23] <rusty49> should i not be in the main user space? ie, log out and log in as main user
[11:23] <rusty49> will try
[11:25] <rusty49> as main user it now asks for the new unix password
[11:25] <TheSheep> replace 'username' with the name of the user whose password you want to change
[11:25] <TheSheep> rusty49: even with sudo?
[11:25] <rusty49> I need it to be short
[11:25] <rusty49> it worked correctly this time
[11:26] <rusty49> I still have my admin password and now have a short password for the child
[11:30] <antIP> HI, all. I'm thinking about installing xubuntu 10.10 this time around. I'm trying to increase speed and productivity. Does gnome-do work in xubuntu? Or is there a similar package for xubuntu?
[11:30] <Sysi> yes, it works
[11:32] <antIP> Sysi: Thanks.
[11:33] <rusty49> I see that there is a great setting for a new user - eg in my case a small child - under users there is a setting for not using a password at all
[11:34] <antIP> Sysi: Are there any "draw backs" to xubuntu that a gnome user should know about before switching? Something I haven't probably thought of?
[11:34] <Sysi> idk what you like or need
[11:34] <antIP> rusty49: That doesn't sound very good. No password?
[11:35] <Sysi> for login you can set that
[11:35] <rusty49> yes - but for a child of 3 it seems ok
[11:35] <Sysi> otherly i really don't recommend
[11:35] <rusty49> my own password is still intact
[11:36] <antIP> rusty49: My daughter is 3 and runs a Linux mint laptop. I'm trying to teach her how to use the password. I don't think I would ever let her run without it.
[11:36] <antIP> Sysi: I'm sorry, were you responding to me earlier?
[11:37] <antIP> Sysi: When you said "What you like or need"...?
[11:37] <Sysi> yes
[11:37] <antIP> oh
[11:37] <Sysi> idk for i don't knoe
[11:37] <Sysi> *know
[11:37] <antIP> right
[11:37] <rusty49> there are safeguards in the new user setting - so child cannot change settings or go on internet etc
[11:39] <rusty49> do give advise if you feel it is not good
[11:40] <antIP> Well, I use VLC, Hulu Desktop, Audacity, Gimp, Inkscape, Chrome, Dropbox, Gwibber, Skype. I assume they all play nicely on xfce.  To be honest, I'm sort of new to Linux in general. I'm not entirely sure what separates Gnome from XFCE besides file manager, panel, default programs. Pretty much everthing that is GTK based should run fine, right?
[11:40] <rusty49> advice
[11:41] <antIP> rusty49: Hmm. I'm not familiar with those safeguards. Good ideas. I personally wouldn't let me daughter play around on her laptop without password protection. She doesn't do much besides watch movies.
[11:42] <rusty49> the qimo group of edu-games are nice!
[11:42] <Sysi> antIP: basically everything from repositories run fine
[11:43] <antIP> You guys won't believe the speeds I was getting when I downloaded SuperOS 10.10 earlier via torrent. I was using put.io and downloaded 1.6 gb in apx 1 minute. It was crazy. They must have a lot of seeders on that torrent.
[11:43] <antIP> Sysi: Ok. thanks. I figured.
[11:44] <antIP> Sysi: Appreciate it. I'm going to install xubuntu right now and test play with it a bit. I have a feeling I'm going to really like it for it's simplicity and light weight. I should throw it on my laptop too.
[11:45] <rusty49> antIP, as I have done yesterday
[11:46] <rusty49> so now I'm getting to know the system lol
[11:49] <antIP> Sysi rusty49 - laters
[11:50] <rusty49> bye
[12:19] <knome> Sysi, ?
[12:31] <Sysi> knome: known issue with OOo?
[12:34] <knome> Sysi, well ooo is problematic in terms of theming
[12:36] <xubuntu121> sry, any1 who know where i can get get graphic-drivers  for my ati radeon 9600 gpu???
[12:38] <Sysi> old card?
[12:41] <xubuntu121> yeah ,very old
[12:42] <Sysi> it should work by default as well as it is gonna work
[12:42] <xubuntu121> it works okay, but i would like to have graphic-acceleration (for cairo-dock)
[12:43] <Sysi> enable compositing in window manager tweaks and it should work
[12:44] <xubuntu121> okay, i will try as the installtion finished
[14:15] <solotim> Hello, group. My thunar does work properly due to the reported bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exo/+bug/520118?comments=all
[14:16] <solotim> How can I update my thunar to the latest bug-free release? Thanks.
[14:16] <charlie-tca> Simply pick a different mode in under view
[14:16] <solotim> charlie-tca, are you talking with me? I prefer the 'detailed list' mode
[14:17] <charlie-tca> You can use compact view to navigate, switch to detailed view in the folder you need to see things in, then switch back to navigate again
[14:17] <charlie-tca> yes, solotim.
[14:17] <solotim> yes, I know that. but I noticed that that bug has been fixed, and why can't I get the latest release?
[14:18] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[14:18] <solotim> Lucid
[14:18] <charlie-tca> That bug showed up in 10.04, and was fixed in 10.04
[14:19] <solotim> But I'm in 10.04 now.
[14:19] <solotim> I apt-get upgrade instantly.
[14:20] <charlie-tca> Did you run the updates after upgrade?
[14:20] <solotim> sure.
[14:20] <solotim> no, update before upgrade...
[14:20] <charlie-tca> After upgrading, try running updates again. Maybe one is missing
[14:21] <solotim> oh? I'll see
[14:22] <solotim> no, nothing new to upgrade..
[14:24] <charlie-tca> This is the Xubuntu PPA -  https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa
[14:24] <solotim> what does PPA stand for?
[14:24] <charlie-tca> Thunar in 10.04 should be 1.0.1, as shown under Help
[14:25] <charlie-tca> That's the latest packages for xubuntu, not necessarily released yet.
[14:25] <solotim> oh, thank you.
[14:25] <charlie-tca> You want the latest thunar, that is where it will be if it is packaged for Xubuntu
[14:27] <solotim> good, I'm trying..
[14:28] <charlie-tca> solotim: Warning! If it breaks your installation, you may be on your own to try and fix it again
[14:29] <solotim> charlie-tca: thank you for the warning,
[14:29] <solotim> but what's the worst thing could happen?
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Well, it could not work at all due to package non-compatiblity
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Thunar is involved in showing your desktop
[14:43] <solotim> charlie-tca: Thank you very much. I maybe have found where my problem is. I added lucid-updates to source.list and run apt-get update/upgrade again, there are tons of upgrades my system should perform...
[14:43] <charlie-tca> Great!
[14:43] <charlie-tca> that should fix it without having to use the latest unstalbe
[14:43] <charlie-tca> s/unstalbe/unstable
[14:44] <solotim> :) Yes. Thank you again...
[14:44] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:07] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu Open Week - Ask Mark Shuttleworth on now, xubuntu session will be at 15:00 UTC, 1 hour away
[15:07] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[19:12] <jurgen> question, if I update my xubuntu distro (have 9.10 now on server) do i need to save any files from the OS before in order for my data array to still build/work in the new distro (os isnt on array)
[19:13] <jurgen> using mdadm for array
[20:05] <Dracari> i had xubuntu installed on my laptop long ago.  but it had an broadcom 4318 Wifi card and i cant remember what i had to do to make it work.
[20:05] <Dracari> i recently replaced the HDD and Just finished installing Xubuntu 10.04
[20:06] <charlie-tca> jurgen: raid is a difficult thing. Mighjt ask in #ubuntu-server about it, though. They probably know more than we do
[20:06] <charlie-tca> !broadcom
[20:07] <Dracari> thanks :3
[20:07] <jurgen> charlie-tca: in ubuntu-server they said "that shouldn't be necessary, but as always, keep a backup somewhere in case things go bad"
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Well, I could of said that much
[20:08] <jurgen> yes :p I guess since theres no mdadm channel ill never know
[20:08] <jurgen> guess ill have to risk it
[20:09] <charlie-tca> good luck with it
[20:09] <jurgen> the irony is im forced to do a dist upgrade because I broke something in my last upgrade
[20:40] <thiefy> what  is the user / pass to the 10.10 live cd?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> Um, shouldn't need one. Try a blank user, hit enter, password "ubuntu"
[20:46] <thiefy> didn't work.
[20:46] <charlie-tca> reboot?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> The only time I saw that in 10.10 was when the stuff starting in parallel got confused. A restart made it work again
[20:47] <thiefy> why won't it just boot into the OS?
[20:49] <Sysi> it should
[20:49] <thiefy> I have mint fluxbox installed is all and want to try xubuntu as fluxbox is not stable enough.
[20:49] <thiefy> I rebooted.
[20:54] <thiefy> now it has booted into the OS. wierd. 	    thanks for the help.
[21:34] <jessejazza> just installing xubuntu 10.10 - has it changed much since the last revision
[21:34] <Sysi> new bugs :P
[21:34] <jessejazza> what like?
[21:34] <Sysi> new theme and some programs changed
[21:35] <jessejazza> have they removed the bulk file rename.
[22:14] <sml1226> Anybody know why I'd be getting "Failed to mount "94G Volume". The enclosing drive for the volume is locked" when trying to reformat most of a drive?
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Is it mounted already? Is it used for a swap partition?
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Is there an logical partition with the swap partition in it?
[22:25] <sml1226> It's set to a primary partition, and it won't do anything after formatting in gparted
[22:26] <charlie-tca> You have to unmount it if you formatted it in gparted.
[22:27] <sml1226> It was never mounted in the first place
[22:27] <charlie-tca> If you format in gparted, I think it does automatically mount them after formatting
[22:27] <sml1226> yeah it tried, but thats where the error came up
[22:38] <sml1226> if i use "mount /dev/sda3 /dev" I should see the drive listed in /dev afterward, right?
[22:40] <charlie-tca> I have never attempted to mount a drive in /dev . I don't know if it is possible
[22:42] <sml1226> Ok well, I've tried /mnt as well, and nothing happens either way.
[22:45] <sml1226> If I open the /mnt folder after using the command, it shows the drive capacity, but it remains at that capacity with a second partition of the same size mounted along with it. So it appears to be mounting, it just refuses to show anything to prove this graphically
[23:10] <circuitmenace> Hi all... I'm usuing xubuntu 10.10 in virtual machines (plural) and wondering how to disable the screen saver by bash script. It's stealing precious cpu cycles.