/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/15/#kubuntu-devel.txt

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valorie_Mamarok: thanks so much for your testimonial08:53
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valoriezhow was your time in Zurich?08:54
Mamarokvaloriez: they canceled my talk, not enough registration. But the hint for registration was at the bottom of a quite long mail by the organizers :(09:25
Mamarokbut Munich was great :)09:25
valoriezdang it, Munich09:33
valoriezgeez09:33
valoriezhttp://xkcd.com/797/10:20
Riddellapachelogger: ping10:27
Riddellapachelogger: fancy taking a look at this? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpadlib/kwallet/+merge/3836610:27
Riddellright, SRUs done, e-mail backlog done, USD specs registered, let's get on with merges11:16
* Riddell grabs qt11:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: ill fix it, but git.reviewboard is a PITA, wont let me update patches11:20
apacheloggerRiddell: looks a bit over engineered11:27
apacheloggeralso11:28
apachelogger+    app = QtGui.QApplication([])11:28
apacheloggeris dirty11:28
apacheloggerand causes the dirty kwallet_is_initialized var11:28
Riddellbut won't kwallet need a QApplication?11:29
apacheloggeryes, but there are more sensible approaches to getting a qapp11:29
Riddellfabo: how do I find the debian packaging branch for qt4.x11 4.7 ?11:30
apacheloggeri.e. ::instance() or what it is called11:30
apacheloggerIIRC that returns either the existing instance OR a new one11:30
apacheloggerwhy he uses a qwidget to embody the wallet is also a mystery to me11:30
apacheloggerRiddell: I'll take a closer look11:30
sresuapachelogger: Hey.. found this - https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ubuntuone-kde Should I go with it?11:31
apacheloggergo where?11:31
sresuapachelogger: Use it?11:31
apacheloggerif it works11:31
sresuapachelogger: What do you mean if it works?11:31
apacheloggerthat it does not work11:32
sresuapachelogger: Haven't you made it?11:32
apacheloggerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/37514511:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 375145 in Ubuntu One Client "Ubuntu One should have a KDE client" [Wishlist,Confirmed]11:32
* apachelogger should blog about that11:32
sresuYes I know11:32
apacheloggerI get like 5 mails per week why it does not work11:32
sresuAh-ok11:32
sresuNo probs. I'll see11:32
sresuapachelogger: Thanks11:32
debfxshadeslayer: do you mind if I add a watch file to plasma-widget-fastuserswitch (in the git repo)?11:33
apacheloggerRiddell: I agree with Leonard that what would really be needed is a proper python-keyring (i.e. using existing bindings etc)11:34
apacheloggermaybe Benji could do it ^^11:34
* apachelogger notes that the logic is there in like every app that uses both kwallet and gnomekeyring and just needs to be turned into something more general11:35
Riddellapachelogger: isn't that just what python-keyring does?11:35
apacheloggerno11:35
apacheloggerpython-keyring has own bindings11:35
apacheloggeralso I recon the API is sort of limited11:36
Riddellso it does, how strange11:37
Riddellbut is that a reason not to use it?11:37
apacheloggerRiddell: I don't know, all I know is that the u1/ubuntu-sso people also decided against it for one reason or another (though their use case is a bit special really)11:38
apacheloggerRiddell: from a maintenance and reliability POV I would choose official bindings over others though...11:40
apacheloggerRiddell: do you get why he is using a QWidget?11:51
Riddellapachelogger: he seems to recon it was needed, I'm skeptical11:58
apacheloggerwell11:58
apacheloggerkwallet generally wants a parenting widget11:58
Riddellbut maybe it needs a QObject for the slot?11:58
apacheloggerit is not needed though11:58
apacheloggerRiddell: with async connection it does11:58
apacheloggerthough I think using synchronious access for this use case there would be fine too11:58
apacheloggerthat is related to the fact that I would prefer to not have kwallet a member but initialized on demand and destroyed once the operation was finished11:59
apacheloggerwhich is not the case, unless I am missing something11:59
Riddell12:08 < ranjan> I am getting 3d acceleration on nvidia card with nouveau in Kubuntu 10.10. How did that become possible? !!12:08
Riddellpossibly the first person to complain that compositing is working :)12:09
apachelogger^^12:09
Riddellfreeflying: where does kubuntu_90_webkit_htmlxml_gb_gb18030_detect.diff come from and does it need a SRU?12:13
apacheloggerbrrr12:19
apacheloggerghns' most downloads order is completely pointless12:20
debfxQuintasan: is recorditnow in multiverse only because it depends on mencoder?12:20
faboRiddell: it's experimental-snapshots branch12:30
Riddellfabo: thanks, found it12:30
Riddellfabo: why are there both pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git and pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git ?12:31
faboRiddell: that's temporary. we moved all qt related packages under the same dir.12:32
fabothat's nothing more than a symlink12:32
fabopkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git is the real one12:33
Riddellfabo: random git question, is there a difference between git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git and git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/qt4-x11  ?12:35
fabono12:36
Riddellfabo: so it's just git being tricky? :)12:42
faboyeah :)12:42
Riddellthanks fabo 12:43
faboyw12:43
shadeslayerdebfx: feel free to do it :)12:55
Riddelldebfx: what does plasma-widget-fastuserswitch do that kickoff menu doesn't?13:21
debfxRiddell: dunno, ask shadeslayer :)13:22
shadeslayerRiddell: dunno, ask the guy who made it :P13:23
debfx:D13:23
shadeslayeri guess its like the shutdown/log off plasmoid13:23
shadeslayerfor easy switches between 2 users13:23
debfxwe should evaluate the usefulness of our plasma-widget-* packages :)13:26
debfxfor example we have 3 weather widgets + kde has 2 built-in13:27
RiddellI have this clever weather widget built into my flat, it's called a window, I look at it and it tells me what the weather is13:27
debfxRiddell: cool, but is your window widget free software? :P13:34
ScottKWe probably have enough clocks too.13:36
Riddellthere's only two I think, digital and analogue no?13:36
ScottKFuzzy also13:37
debfxdigital, analog, fuzzy, adjustable and binary13:39
Riddellgolly13:40
ScottKI think that rises at least to "enough".13:43
shadeslayermore power to the user? 13:44
shadeslayerwe also have 5-6 browsers :P13:44
ScottKNone of the KDE ones are particularly useful though.13:45
* Riddell disagrees13:46
shadeslayerRiddell: merges from experimental? or unstable?13:47
shadeslayeror whichever is newer13:47
Riddellshadeslayer: whichever the best version is13:51
Riddellshadeslayer: probably experimental13:51
Riddellwhat are you looking at?13:51
shadeslayerkde4libs 13:51
Riddellmind and add yourself to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/NattyMerges13:51
shadeslayerbut since our version is newer , i think ill have to leave it ..13:51
shadeslayeryes, im just having a look if i can do it :P13:52
Riddellthere will still be plenty to merge I'm sure13:52
Riddellshadeslayer: get their packages from git13:53
shadeslayerpackages?13:53
shadeslayeryou mean debian/ ?13:53
Riddellyes, packaging13:53
Riddellgit clone git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git13:53
Riddellcd kde4libs; git checkout remotes/origin/kde4.513:54
shadeslayerok13:55
shadeslayerhmm debian git is slow :(13:56
shadeslayerim getting 5 KBps :P13:56
shadeslayeroh and archive autosync is in progress i think13:56
debfxI'm merging kdelibs 3 now13:56
shadeslayerdebfx: thats one dirty merge13:57
debfxit has a gazillion patches ^^13:57
shadeslayeryeah, and i think 3-4 of them needed a refresh or something13:57
ScottKIIRC there are some security fixes in there that should go to earlier releases in -security.13:58
shadeslayerRiddell: we MUST ship gtk-oxygen-engine   14:05
shadeslayerlike .. default for natty14:05
Riddellisn't that the one that has hardcoded values for a load of things?14:06
shadeslayeruh .. dont know, http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/gtk-oxygen-engine?content=129715&PHPSESSID=b2c6a8bc42e6fb0ddc347f1f532baa9f14:07
shadeslayerbut i have it installed, looks pretty awesome14:08
Riddellit's on the list to be discussed14:09
shadeslayerRiddell: i dont see it on the wiki14:11
Riddellit's on the whiteboard for packaging spec14:12
shadeslayerRiddell: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appselection-kubuntu-n-packaging << page not found14:14
shadeslayersame for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuNattyPackaging14:16
debfxScottK: looks like security_05_XMLHttpRequest_vulnerability.diff has been accidentally dropped in lucid14:16
dasKreechDo we have synaptiks (synaptiks.lunaryorn.de) packaged?14:16
Riddellshadeslayer: seems it's https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-kubuntu-n-packaging14:17
debfxdasKreech: yes, kde-config-synaptiks14:17
dasKreechah cool thanks 14:17
shadeslayerah ok then14:17
debfxRiddell: switch from kde-config-touchpad to kde-config-synaptiks should be added there as well14:19
Riddelldebfx: added14:30
shadeslayerRiddell: uh https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-yawp/0.3.5-0ubuntu1~lucid1 << thats supposed to be maverick1 right?14:33
Riddellshadeslayer: hum, yes14:36
dasKreechdebfx: MRU I suspect then14:37
debfxdasKreech: MRU?14:37
dasKreechMIR14:38
dasKreechwhoops14:38
dasKreechjust woke up14:38
Riddellrickspencer3: please accept https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-general-n-git-for-bzr-users14:38
rickspencer3Riddell, will do14:39
rickspencer3I'm taking a bit of a day off, so if you've got more, now's the time 14:39
Riddelldon't think I do14:39
rickspencer3Riddell, or ask Jono to grant you approval powers, I already asked him to do so14:39
rickspencer3anyway, accepted ;)14:40
shadeslayerRiddell: "that a bzr user does not fill lost and frustrated trying" ... s/fill/feel14:42
Riddellshadeslayer: agateau's typo not mine!14:42
shadeslayeragateau: ^ :P14:43
agateaushadeslayer: oups14:43
shadeslayerheh :D14:43
agateaushadeslayer: fixed14:43
shadeslayerRiddell: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appselection-kubuntu-n-kontact ::page not found14:44
debfxdasKreech: ah, well first we need to decide if we actually want to switch14:44
dasKreechOf course :)14:45
Riddellmy first package uploaded to natty!14:46
shadeslayeroohh https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-dx-n-apple-compatible-browser-gestures14:47
shadeslayerRiddell: qt?14:47
Riddellshadeslayer: no, qt will take another 10 hours to compile (possible slight exaggeration, but not much)14:48
shadeslayerah ok :D14:48
ScottKdebfx: Was it dropped or is it new (and needs to go in earlier releases too)?14:48
debfxScottK: earlier release have the patch through security uploads14:51
ScottKdebfx: OK.  I think this is the one I was pushing shadeslayer to do the merge before release to get.14:52
ScottKdebfx: It's in Universe starting in Lucid, so unless one of us prepares the security upload it won't get done.14:53
debfxScottK: the patch was added in 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2.1ubuntu3 and 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3 but disappeared later in lucid14:58
ScottKOh.14:58
ScottKLovely.14:59
ScottKIt still sounds like it needs to be fixed in -security for Lucid/Maverick though.14:59
debfxyes15:02
JontheEchidnaneat, looks like gcc-4.5 will be default for natty15:50
ScottKAlready is.15:51
ScottKAlso using the gold linker, so stand by for 'fun'.15:51
RiddellJontheEchidna: you're a fan of gcc 4.5?15:51
JontheEchidnaI'm a fan of anything that brings optimizations :P15:52
SputScottK: is gold usable nowadays at all?15:52
Sputlast time I checked, a lot of packages wouldn't build with it15:52
ScottKSput: Thus the "fun".15:53
SputScottK: I see.15:53
ScottKDebian put a fair amount of effort into fixing related bugs already, so it shouldn't be horrible.15:53
* Sput still waits for gcc-4.5 being unmasked on Gentoo15:53
Sput... by which time I can be reasonably sure that almost all software should build with it15:53
Sputsupposedly "by the end of this week"15:54
Riddelltsk, Gentoo, always so conservative, join us and live on the edge!15:54
JontheEchidnagold's main advantage is faster linking?15:55
Riddellfaster loading presumably, since libraries aren't linked to so many things15:55
JontheEchidnanice15:55
Riddellbut we already try and do that with cmake flags I thought15:56
JontheEchidnanow's the best time to upgrade to natty, since they haven't uploaded the X bits yet :P15:56
shadeslayer^ probably :)16:06
debfxI can already feel the gold linker "fun" while trying to build kdelibs in natty16:11
JontheEchidnaQApt is gold-ready, at least16:15
JontheEchidnawow, it does link very fast16:16
debfxif I hit one more missing lib, i'll just add -Wl,--add-needed to LDFLAGS16:20
shadeslayerhahaha16:23
shadeslayerdebfx: sersiously dude, best of luck on kdelibs merge :D16:23
JontheEchidnafun!16:27
JontheEchidnahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/513958/16:27
debfxshadeslayer: the merge is basically done and --add-needed works fine :)16:29
CIA-116[muon] jmthomas * 1186269 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CMakeLists.txt Link to nepomuk explicitly for gold support16:30
debfxanyway we should start removing kde3 packages16:33
shadeslayermeh ... LP fail16:34
shadeslayerwhat is wrong today... im getting just 5-6 KBps today16:34
JontheEchidnaI did a bit of kde3 package removal rigth before maverick was released. :)16:36
Riddellmaybe everyone in India is downloading Kubuntu 10.10?16:36
JontheEchidnaI got 8 source packages killed, iirc16:36
shadeslayerRiddell: uh.. from launchpad? i dont think so :P16:37
JontheEchidnaAnything in this purple list right here that has a popcon of less than 60-75 should be fair game: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/universe.html#notinA16:37
JontheEchidnaotherwise we would want to follow debian with their removals16:37
debfxone more: bug #66130016:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 661300 in knetstats (Ubuntu) "Please remove the package knetstats" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66130016:37
JontheEchidnadebfx: btw, you can confirm that now since you are MOTU16:38
debfxI'm not sure if popcon can be trusted at all16:38
debfxJontheEchidna: ah, right16:41
ScottKdebfx: It's only useful as a relative measure.  You can look at popcon for kubuntu-desktop and for a particular package and get a reasonable estimate of X% of Kubuntu users use package X.16:49
ScottKIt will, of course, be off since not all users of the package will be Kubuntu users.16:49
persiaAnd some few Kubuntu users will uninstall the metapackage for some reason or another.16:50
debfxyay, I got kdelibs to build on natty ^^17:41
Riddellyay!17:41
Quintasangreat17:44
QuintasanRiddell: any idea what sip package debian has?17:45
* Quintasan can't access packages.debian.org17:45
Riddellsip4-qt3 (4.10.2-1) unstable17:45
debfxQuintasan: have you seen my message from earlier today?17:46
Quintasandebfx: not sure17:46
Quintasandebfx: well, backlock in not long enough17:47
Quintasan:P17:47
Quintasanbacklog*17:47
CIA-116[muon] jmthomas * 1186292 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/ (UpdateEvent/UpdateEvent.cpp event.cpp event.h) Add an update() function so that the status notifier item tooltip and icon can be updated if/when necessary17:47
debfxQuintasan: is recorditnow in multiverse only because it depends on mencoder?17:48
QuintasanI think it is so.17:48
QuintasanI'm not sure about the state of mencoder17:48
debfxit's in universe since maverick17:49
Quintasandebfx: well, it is a problem?17:49
debfxQuintasan: maybe we can move recorditnow to universe17:50
Quintasanwell, let me grab updated version17:50
Quintasanso I17:50
Quintasangah17:50
QuintasanI will update the package and annoy someone so it gets back to universe if possible17:51
Quintasan!info recorditnow17:52
ubotturecorditnow (source: recorditnow): desktop recorder for KDE. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 0.7-0ubuntu5 (maverick), package size 353 kB, installed size 1516 kB17:52
debfxQuintasan: I've started packaging 0.8.117:52
debfxit installs some header files which it probably shouldn't17:53
debfxi haven't fixed that yet17:53
Quintasanurgh17:55
QuintasanI need a way to download source package from latest verison of ubuntu without any url pasting and chaging repositories :S17:55
shadeslayerQuintasan: quite simple really17:56
QuintasanRiddell: well, no luck, I need SIP 4.11 or lates :S17:56
shadeslayerpull-lp-source17:56
shadeslayerand see the man page for all the foo you can do with it17:56
* Quintasan can't keep up with those damn lp tools17:56
Quintasangod damn17:57
Quintasansuper fast internets :/17:57
Quintasanwhat did I do to get a WoW player T_T17:58
ScottKQuintasan: Riddell can move it.18:00
QuintasanScottK: I'd like to know why it was moved to multiverse in the first place18:01
ScottKWasn't mencoder in Multiverse before?18:01
ulysses!find LC_MESSAGES18:01
ScottK(agreed though, know is good )18:01
ubottuFile LC_MESSAGES found in a2ps, abook, abraca, accerciser, acheck, aegis, aeskulap, afbackup-common, agave, akonadi-kde-resource-googledata (and 1964 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=LC_MESSAGES&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any18:01
ScottKknow/knowing18:01
QuintasanI can't even pull the source from LP18:02
Quintasan:/18:02
shadeslayerQuintasan: remember, you need to name the source, not the binary package18:03
Quintasanit is the same18:03
Quintasandebfx: will you do all that packaging stuff?18:05
debfxQuintasan: I can send you the package if you want to continue18:06
Quintasansure, why not18:06
Quintasanthough I'm just postponing the inevitable18:06
Quintasan:P18:06
Lex79shadeslayer: how is going kde4libs merge?18:10
shadeslayerLex79: well .. im looking at the changelog, but im a bit of a loss as to where to start :P18:10
Lex79you're too slow18:10
shadeslayeri know18:10
Lex79:D18:10
shadeslayerbut i have no idea where to start merging from ^_^18:11
Quintasanmerges are PITA18:11
Lex79from debian/patches for instance18:12
Lex79merges is a good work to learn packaging18:12
shadeslayerlike.. there have been 7-8 ubuntu releases, where as debian has only 1 release for the same time period18:12
QuintasanThat's because we like to break things more often18:12
Quintasan:)18:12
Lex79exactly18:13
Quintasanshadeslayer: I can already see the tons of bugs when we release Project Neon18:13
shadeslayerhehe18:13
Lex79lol18:13
debfxQuintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/recorditnow_0.8.1-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz18:13
shadeslayerQuintasan: blame it on yofel_ :P18:14
* Lex79 wants Neon also for natty18:14
shadeslayerLex79: help us complete it for maverick first18:14
* Lex79 looks Quintasan18:14
QuintasanIt's not like we need some extra changes for natty shadeslayer 18:14
shadeslayerhmm.. not really i think18:15
QuintasanAnd build for natty are still not available I belive18:15
shadeslayerbut im pretty sure that we will have linking problems18:15
shadeslayerQuintasan: we do have them18:15
shadeslayerhmm ... im pretty sure we dont want 20_use_dejavu_as_default_font.diff from debian18:16
Lex79nope18:16
Quintasandebfx: thanks18:17
Quintasanthat reminds me I need to set up my p.u.c connection18:17
shadeslayerLex79: ill get it done within 30 mins or so i think, then comes testbuilding18:19
Quintasaneek18:20
Quintasanbuilding new sip18:20
Quintasanshadeslayer: pray it works!18:20
Lex79shadeslayer: what? already merged?18:20
shadeslayerLex79: kde4libs? no ..18:20
Quintasanwut18:20
shadeslayerim working on it18:20
Lex79ah sorry, misread18:20
Quintasanmerge complete in less than an hour is a miracle18:21
neversfeldesomeone living in Australia oder somewhere else in the south, I need a new home for 6 month, it is too cold here18:21
neversfeldeevening18:21
Quintasanneversfelde: \o18:21
shadeslayer:P18:21
shadeslayerhey neversfelde18:21
* Quintasan would like a new home too18:21
neversfeldehi18:21
QuintasanI hate winter18:21
Quintasanshadeslayer: I hope you are going the NEXT UDS?18:22
* Quintasan will be able to go without any problems then18:22
shadeslayerQuintasan: the one in florida, yes18:22
shadeslayerthe next one.. not so sure18:22
neversfeldewell, I should like it, but I have no experience in skiing, I guess I should learn now18:22
Quintasan:<18:22
shadeslayerQuintasan: i might have exams18:23
QuintasanIf it is in Europe then I'm all set18:23
Lex79neversfelde: I miss germany and its cold and its bratwurst, do you want come here? we can change :)18:23
QuintasanI will be 18 by then and that means no guardian and this means no additional cost on my side :P18:23
neversfeldeLex79: not before Gotthard tunnel is ready, but I can send you Bratwurst :)18:24
QuintasanUrgh, Germany sometimes makes me sick18:24
neversfeldeand it is not much warmer in Italy in the winter, is it?18:24
Lex79neversfelde: there's the sea in front my window and the beach with nice girls18:24
shadeslayermerge-changelog fail18:25
QuintasanLex79: want to change? :D18:25
Lex79neversfelde: 18 C here18:25
neversfeldeok, let's change18:25
Lex79lol18:25
QuintasanLex79: I can offer you Polish vodka18:25
shadeslayerhmm18:25
Lex79Quintasan: no I want to go to Germany :)18:25
neversfeldeLex79: I have the alps in front of my window, ah and I'm sure nice girls, too 18:25
Lex79ahahaha :)18:26
shadeslayerLex79: should i merge with unreleased or unstable ? ( debian )18:26
Lex79with git18:26
Lex79unreleased18:26
QuintasanLex79: man, if I were you I wouldn't change18:26
shadeslayerhmm ok18:26
shadeslayerLex79: versioning issue then18:26
Lex79Quintasan: I like German people :)18:27
shadeslayermerge-changelog merges 4:4.5.1-0r1 before our current packaging18:27
Lex79uhm18:27
QuintasanLex79: Well, I can't say I hate them but I have bad experience with Germans :S18:27
neversfeldemhh18:28
shadeslayerLex79: what do i version our package? :D18:28
Lex794.5.2-1ubuntu118:28
shadeslayer-0r1ubuntu1 ?18:28
Quintasanneversfelde: well, I'm sure that the whole Germany is full of people like that, but that leaves some sort of bad impression18:28
Quintasanis not*18:28
* Quintasan left out an important word18:29
Quintasan:O18:29
Lex79shadeslayer: get rid of that 0r1, it's fine with 1ubuntu118:29
shadeslayerpl18:29
shadeslayerok then18:29
neversfeldeQuintasan: what leaves a bad impression?18:29
Lex79I meet a ton of friendly people in Hamburg18:30
neversfeldeHamburg is great, a busy town18:30
neversfeldeI do not want to live there, but my parents are near Hamburg 18:31
Quintasanneversfelde: hmm for starters, recently I some ladies from Germany went to Poland and they ordered tons of foods and they refused to pay, saying "We are in Poland, we do not have to pay here".18:31
Quintasangod, I read that*18:31
* Quintasan is totally not in shape today18:31
* Lex79 likes say "thuss" :D18:32
Quintasan:D18:32
Lex79Quintasan: that's bad, but I think that people are everywhere18:32
QuintasanLex79: well, that's true18:33
neversfeldeQuintasan: probably in the polish equivalent of "Bild Zeitung" It's a little bit generalized to judge about german people, because some girls did not want to pay their bill, is it?18:33
neversfeldeLex79: I guess you mean "Tschüß" :)18:33
neversfeldebye 18:33
Lex79yeah18:33
Quintasanneversfelde: I'm pretty sure you are right, if "Bild Zeitung" is some sort of totally idiotic tabloid.18:34
neversfeldeit's what Sun is in england18:34
neversfeldeboulevard press18:35
QuintasanWell, we have "Fakt" in Poland18:35
_Groo_hi/2 all18:35
neversfeldehehe18:35
QuintasanLatest head line - "My fridge attacked me!"18:35
Quintasan_Groo_: \o18:35
ari-tczewhaha18:35
_Groo_i just added this bug to kde, 25428318:35
neversfeldeQuintasan: I guess every country has something like that18:35
_Groo_hey Quintasan 18:35
Quintasanari-tczew: You didn't see that?18:35
_Groo_aparently digikam 1.4 and 1.5 are broken, you cant open the settings18:35
ari-tczewor 'I don't sleep, I'm keeping dresser."18:35
_Groo_bug 25428318:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254283 in movabletype-opensource (Ubuntu) "Please sync movabletype-opensource 4.2~rc4-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25428318:36
_Groo_hmm not launchpad18:36
ari-tczewQuintasan: about fridge not, but demotywatory.pl hosts sometimes similiar cases :P18:36
_Groo_do we have a bot to see kde bugs?18:36
QuintasanI mean, seriously, how the hell a fridge can attack you?18:36
ari-tczewQuintasan: froze your head :>18:36
_Groo_Quintasan: there are movies that prove otheriwise18:36
Quintasan_Groo_: no, give me the titles.18:37
neversfeldeLex79: btw, if you want a real good Bratwurst, do not visit Hamburg, visit me :)18:37
QuintasanBratwurst, hmm is that a sasuage in a roll?18:38
Lex79neversfelde: ahah ok :) why you said before that you don't want live in Hamburg? too busy town?18:39
Lex79Quintasan: yes18:40
neversfeldeLex79: yes and to far in the north. And too expensive18:42
_Groo_Quintasan: here ya go http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103729/18:42
Lex79it's less expensive than here18:42
_Groo_Quintasan: Attack of the Killer Refridgerator, a classic XD18:42
* Lex79 likes also waffel18:42
Lex79gnam gnam18:43
Quintasanoh god18:44
JontheEchidnakde bug 25428318:46
ubottuKDE bug 254283 in libkipi "digikam 1 4 0 (and 1 5 0) crash as soon as i click settings / configure digikam" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25428318:46
_Groo_JontheEchidna: just talked to guilles, which is a digikam developer, he told me to update libkipi :P but we are using 4.5.2a already.. any ideas? 18:47
JontheEchidnanope18:47
_Groo_btw can you guys reproduce this? just open digikam, click settings / configure digikam, should bring drkonki pronto :P18:48
_Groo_JontheEchidna: i asked him to tell me which patch fixes this, this way we could backport it18:48
JontheEchidnabut then again they released digikam 1.4 with a dependency on an unreleased version of KDE, so who knows what version they expect?18:48
_Groo_if not, we are going to get a lot of bug reports about digikam in the following weeks :P18:48
_Groo_JontheEchidna: maybe the hard way is to backport libkipi to latest trunk?18:49
Lex79they just don't know how to release software, that's it18:49
JontheEchidnaLex79: the best part is is that they think packagers are clueless :P18:49
Lex79yes18:50
Lex79and kubuntu is crap18:50
Lex79yes18:50
JontheEchidnabut really they are...18:50
JontheEchidna(clueless about how to release software, that is)18:50
Lex79yeah :)18:50
_Groo_so anyone confirm this? i want to check if its my system only18:53
_Groo_just open digikam, settings/configure digikam18:53
_Groo_should give you a colorful little crash18:53
_Groo_anyway, since im on vacations the next 2 weeks, im gonna try to backport libkipi trunk and see if yuu guys can approve it and release it18:54
shadeslayerLex79: hmm.. so much stuff that is documented in changelog, but not implemented actually19:03
shadeslayerquilt build dep for examp,e19:03
shadeslayerhmm.. nvm19:06
shadeslayerLex79: libasound2-dev has been removed as a build dep by debian, do i follow that?19:15
Lex79yes19:16
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Lex79shadeslayer: in Debian there is no libqtwebkit-dev in build-deps, please add it in our package19:24
shadeslayerok19:25
shadeslayerim looking at the build deps right now :)19:25
shadeslayerand that one was already added :P19:25
shadeslayerLex79: http://pastebin.com/Q8C4FtgX :: current diff19:26
debfxLex79: does kdoctools really need to depend on docbook-xsl? Debian only has docbook-xml19:26
Lex79see our changelog for that, I don't remember19:27
debfxLex79: our changelog doesn't say why it is needed19:28
shadeslayeryeah19:29
Lex79follow debian for now19:29
shadeslayer( ive added it atm )19:29
shadeslayeroh ok19:29
Lex79and cross the fingers ;)19:29
Lex79lol19:29
debfxdocbook-xsl wastes a lot of space (20 MB)19:29
shadeslayerhttp://pastebin.ca/1963269 < what ive done till now19:30
JontheEchidnaare we merging with debian's 4.4 packages?19:31
shadeslayerLex79: line 48 onwards : http://pastebin.com/Q8C4FtgX19:31
Lex79JontheEchidna: with git19:31
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: debian has 4.5.119:31
JontheEchidnaok19:31
shadeslayerLex79: follow debian or keep our replaces/breaks19:31
Lex79shadeslayer: not really:19:31
Lex79<MoDaX> btw, as things are now, debian will never release 4.5.x officially.19:32
shadeslayerah ...19:32
ScottKshadeslayer: Keep whichever has a higher version unless both are lower than our lucid version in which case they can be dropped.19:32
Lex79shadeslayer: << 4:4.4.6019:32
shadeslayerohk .. ill keep <<4:4.4.6019:33
debfxwell, they have a semi-official kde 4.5 repository19:33
ScottKI think Riddell said to merge from Debian KDE Git.19:33
shadeslayeryes, thats what im doing19:34
shadeslayeralmost done19:52
Lex79shadeslayer: when you finished, put your changes in bzr, I can review later, ensure run "bzr add" and "bzr remove" :)20:11
shadeslayersure :)20:11
shadeslayerLex79: im done, want me to push to a local bzr branch?20:12
Lex79did you add replaces/breaks for the library transition?20:12
Lex79there is a library transition iirc20:12
shadeslayerLex79: hold on, ill push to my bzr branch20:13
Lex79ok20:13
Lex79brb20:13
Quintasanbrr20:17
Quintasangreat20:17
Quintasansip builds just fine20:17
shadeslayerLex79: bzr branch lp:~rohangarg/kdelibs/ubuntu20:17
shadeslayeroh wait20:17
ScottKQuintasan: Can you add Python3 support for Sip?20:17
shadeslayerLex79: im deleting that, better idea20:17
ScottK(upstream supports it).20:17
ScottKQuintasan: See http://wiki.debian.org/Python/SqueezePy3k for details.20:18
ScottK(also feel free to harass barry in #ubuntu-devel on the subject)20:18
QuintasanScottK: Well, it was supposed to be a quick and dirty package for Project Neon but if guys in debian dont have this then I might update it20:19
ScottKQuintasan: They don't and it's wanted for Natty and possibly squeeze.20:20
shadeslayeri so hate lp right now20:20
shadeslayer1KBps20:20
QuintasanWell, time to work I guess :)20:20
ScottKQuintasan: IIRC there's a package on mentors.debian.net that's about half wrong, but might be good for hints.20:20
shadeslayercan you believe that ... im branching @ 1KBps ... -.-20:20
* shadeslayer runs to #launchpad20:21
QuintasanI was branching at 1099 bits20:21
Quintasanper second :P20:21
shadeslayerhrh20:22
QuintasanScottK: >4.10.5-120:22
ScottKQuintasan: I don't recall for sure.20:23
QuintasanWell. I'll just do what I usually do to upgrade a package, add the python stuff and make sure it works20:23
ScottKOK.20:23
shadeslayerLex79: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/28320:26
shadeslayerits still WIP 20:26
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shadeslayerLex79: updated changelog in next commit20:34
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shadeslayerkde4libs starts building \o/20:37
shadeslayerwell.. atleast build deps look ok :>20:48
sheytanapachelogger what's the name of your KCM to change the qt engine to raster?20:53
shadeslayerLex79: argh... power outage, can you pull kde4libs packaging from my bzr branch and build?20:53
RoozbehOnlinehey guys20:54
shadeslayerLex79: bzr branch lp:~rohangarg/kdelibs/ubuntu 20:54
RoozbehOnlinehttp://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?pid=2207520:55
shadeslayerRoozbehOnline: \o20:55
RoozbehOnlineshadeslayer: how are you man :)20:55
Riddell** Kubuntu Meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting20:55
valoriez\o/20:55
* valoriez is here20:55
RiddellRoozbehOnline: what's your random link?20:56
shadeslayerRiddell: only kubuntu council is allowed to vote on memberships?20:56
Riddellshadeslayer: yes, but anyone can give an opinion20:56
RoozbehOnlinehi Riddell20:56
RoozbehOnlineRiddell: what do you mean ? :)20:56
shadeslayerRiddell: +1 from my side for valoriez ... theres a power outage here and  :(20:57
RiddellRoozbehOnline: you just posted a contextless link, what is it?20:57
shadeslayerRoozbehOnline: KDM theme has wrong spelling, its Welcome ;)20:57
RoozbehOnlineRiddell: this a NEDA artwork preview for kde and chakra linux :)20:57
RoozbehOnlineshadeslayer: yes.... 20:58
RoozbehOnlineshadeslayer: it's a screenshot 20:58
RoozbehOnlineshadeslayer: in this theme this case fixed :)20:58
shadeslayerok20:58
shadeslayerRoozbehOnline: please make some for kubuntu :)20:58
shadeslayer+ i cant attend 20:58
RoozbehOnlineshadeslayer: if I know you use in final release , sure20:59
shadeslayerRoozbehOnline: it will be up for discussion at UDS20:59
RoozbehOnlineshadeslayer: i said about it to Riddell previously20:59
shadeslayer( changing any artwork etc )20:59
Riddell** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting21:00
shadeslayercya people ... 21:00
RoozbehOnlineRiddell: can i contribute in this meeting :)21:00
RoozbehOnline?21:00
valoriezanyone can contribute, RoozbehOnline21:01
valoriezonly council members can vote21:01
Lex79shadeslayer: I will do21:11
Riddellvaloriez: I added you to members, valorie-zimmerman@kub untu.org will start working sometime next week forwarding to your gmail address21:25
Riddellyou can add your blog straight away to planet if you know how to use bzr21:25
valoriezI do not, but I'll google21:25
macovaloriez: got a ssh key on lp?21:25
valoriezyes21:25
valoriezat least, I think so21:26
valoriezoh, ssh, no21:26
Riddellor you can get someone else to do it who is also a member21:26
valoriezwill I need to ssh/use bzr to work on the docs?21:26
ScottKIt will help and it's not that hard.21:27
valoriezI'm sure it's different than the KDE system21:27
ScottKYou can use bzr very much like you'd use svn.21:27
Riddellit's similar to KDE, it's all docbook21:27
valoriezok21:27
valoriezI've not used svn, only git21:27
Riddellyou can use git?!21:29
Riddellwhat was that about not being very technical21:30
valoriezwell, I build amarok from git21:30
valoriezI don't USE it, just pull from it21:30
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valoriezthat's like cooking -- I have a recipe, and follow it21:30
* maco giggles at the face Riddell is surely making21:30
valorieznot very technical21:30
valoriezlol21:31
Riddellwe have a session booked at UDS for "introduction to git for normal geeks" so you'll be able to tell us all about how to use it21:31
valoriezlolol21:31
valoriezthe amarok docs seem good21:31
macovaloriez: if you just use clone & pull, in bzr that's branch & pull21:31
valoriezthe newcomers seem to use it rather easily21:32
macowait im wrong21:32
macoin bzr that's branch and *merge*21:32
macogit fetch = bzr pull .... i think21:32
valoriezwhat?21:32
macogit clone = bzr branch21:32
valoriezthat would be backwards21:32
valoriezsure, i can see that21:32
valoriezfetch=pull sounds right21:32
macogit fetch gets changes but doesnt try to merge them, but git pull tries to merge them. right?21:33
valoriezI've never used fetch21:33
hungermaco: Yes... except when you do git pull --rebase. it does a rebase then.21:33
valoriezjust pull21:33
macohunger: too advanced21:33
macook so i think the "get changes but dont merge" in bzr is pull while the "get changes and merge" is merge21:34
hungermaco: Well, rebasing is way nicer than merging most of the time.21:34
macohunger: i havent even sorted what it does yet. all i know is the kernel team uses it a lot21:34
hungermaco: It takes your commits, removes them, adds the commits from the other branch and then reapplies your own patches on top.21:35
ScottKhunger: Loses history.  Evil.21:35
macoScottK: isnt that how you do a manual 3-way merge for upstream/debian/kubuntu?21:35
ScottKmaco: I don't use a VCS for that.  I use patch and diff.21:36
hungerScottK: Not really. The history is private at that point and the "old history" is of course preserved.21:36
ScottKThere are some valid uses for rebasing.21:36
macoScottK: right but i mean, --rebase seems to just automate what happens when you manually do those merges with patch & diff21:36
ScottKForward porting patches to a new upstream release is one of the valid uses.21:38
ScottKI think it just generally gets overused.21:38
valoriezspeaking of the docs -- they look OLD21:43
macothat comment ScottK made about banishing nixternal for biking too much? 21:44
valoriezeven the Ubuntu docs -- when is this stuff due to get the new branding?21:44
macothat's related21:44
valoriezok21:44
macooh the branding? dunno about that21:44
macoi thought you meant the content21:44
macowhich did not get updated for maverick due to lack of personpower21:45
valoriezI'm still on the top level21:45
valoriezwhich looks fine, but dated because of the branding21:45
JontheEchidnaanybody got meeting minutes? (I missed it)21:46
macoJontheEchidna: there was one topic. her ^ membership. she got itl21:46
maco*it.21:46
JontheEchidnanice :)21:46
ScottKvaloriez: The only reason it's not updated is all three of the docs maintainers got busy with other stuff all at the same time.  Please take hold of it and make it wonderful.21:50
valoriezhmmm, 3 down to one21:51
valoriezit sounds like I need to recruit a team21:51
valorieztoiling alone is tough21:51
ScottKThey may get less busy and reappear.21:52
* ScottK looks right at nixternal.21:52
valoriezlol21:53
Lex79we have 4:4.5.2a in maverick, so in natty the version should be 4:4.5.2a or 4:4.5.2 ?21:53
valorieznixternal sounds like a good person to work with21:53
valoriezwho else used to be active?21:53
sheytanHeey21:54
Quintasan\o/21:54
sheytanwhere can i put my feature request for next kuubunu release?21:54
Lex79JontheEchidna: help ^21:54
QuintasanProbably here sheytan 21:54
sheytanQuintasan, well, and what when you turn off you machine? :D My ideas will gone :D21:54
Quintasanpost em to the mailing list21:55
JontheEchidnaLex79: The UDS page had one, but I think Riddell turned all of those in to specs21:56
Lex79JontheEchidna: oh I don't understand, I mean, did you read my question? :)21:57
Lex79JontheEchidna: we have 4:4.5.2a in maverick, so in natty the version should be 4:4.5.2a or 4:4.5.2 ?21:57
JontheEchidnaLex79: oh, I thought you were talking about sheytan's question, since you did ^21:58
Lex79oh sorry21:58
JontheEchidnaLex79: we are going to upgrade to 4.5.80 soon enough anyways, so I wouldn't worry about the PPA upgrade case this early on in natty21:58
Lex79ok21:59
* JontheEchidna pbuilds his new gtk2-engines-oxygen package22:00
debfxScottK: I've opened a bug with debdiffs for the kdelibs vulnerability: bug #66141622:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 661416 in kdelibs (Ubuntu Maverick) "Uncontrolled XMLHTTPRequest vulnerability" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66141622:07
ScottKdebfx: Great.  I saw it.22:58
ScottKvaloriez: jjesse (not online right now) is a long time contributor who got busy with $WORK.22:59
ScottKvaloriez: DarkWingDuck is a new contributor who kind of fell off the table due to moves and job changes.  He may reappear.22:59
valoriezthanks!23:00
valoriezdoes discussion of the docs belong on the devel list?23:01
valoriezsince I'm sure I'll have lots of questions at first23:02
Riddellyes23:02
valoriezthanks, Riddell23:02
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