=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === mkv is now known as m4v [08:53] Mamarok: thanks so much for your testimonial === valorie_ is now known as valoriez [08:54] how was your time in Zurich? [09:25] valoriez: they canceled my talk, not enough registration. But the hint for registration was at the bottom of a quite long mail by the organizers :( [09:25] but Munich was great :) [09:33] dang it, Munich [09:33] geez [10:20] http://xkcd.com/797/ [10:27] apachelogger: ping [10:27] apachelogger: fancy taking a look at this? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpadlib/kwallet/+merge/38366 [11:16] right, SRUs done, e-mail backlog done, USD specs registered, let's get on with merges [11:16] * Riddell grabs qt [11:20] apachelogger: ill fix it, but git.reviewboard is a PITA, wont let me update patches [11:27] Riddell: looks a bit over engineered [11:28] also [11:28] + app = QtGui.QApplication([]) [11:28] is dirty [11:28] and causes the dirty kwallet_is_initialized var [11:29] but won't kwallet need a QApplication? [11:29] yes, but there are more sensible approaches to getting a qapp [11:30] fabo: how do I find the debian packaging branch for qt4.x11 4.7 ? [11:30] i.e. ::instance() or what it is called [11:30] IIRC that returns either the existing instance OR a new one [11:30] why he uses a qwidget to embody the wallet is also a mystery to me [11:30] Riddell: I'll take a closer look [11:31] apachelogger: Hey.. found this - https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ubuntuone-kde Should I go with it? [11:31] go where? [11:31] apachelogger: Use it? [11:31] if it works [11:31] apachelogger: What do you mean if it works? [11:32] that it does not work [11:32] apachelogger: Haven't you made it? [11:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375145 [11:32] Launchpad bug 375145 in Ubuntu One Client "Ubuntu One should have a KDE client" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [11:32] * apachelogger should blog about that [11:32] Yes I know [11:32] I get like 5 mails per week why it does not work [11:32] Ah-ok [11:32] No probs. I'll see [11:32] apachelogger: Thanks [11:33] shadeslayer: do you mind if I add a watch file to plasma-widget-fastuserswitch (in the git repo)? [11:34] Riddell: I agree with Leonard that what would really be needed is a proper python-keyring (i.e. using existing bindings etc) [11:34] maybe Benji could do it ^^ [11:35] * apachelogger notes that the logic is there in like every app that uses both kwallet and gnomekeyring and just needs to be turned into something more general [11:35] apachelogger: isn't that just what python-keyring does? [11:35] no [11:35] python-keyring has own bindings [11:36] also I recon the API is sort of limited [11:37] so it does, how strange [11:37] but is that a reason not to use it? [11:38] Riddell: I don't know, all I know is that the u1/ubuntu-sso people also decided against it for one reason or another (though their use case is a bit special really) [11:40] Riddell: from a maintenance and reliability POV I would choose official bindings over others though... [11:51] Riddell: do you get why he is using a QWidget? [11:58] apachelogger: he seems to recon it was needed, I'm skeptical [11:58] well [11:58] kwallet generally wants a parenting widget [11:58] but maybe it needs a QObject for the slot? [11:58] it is not needed though [11:58] Riddell: with async connection it does [11:58] though I think using synchronious access for this use case there would be fine too [11:59] that is related to the fact that I would prefer to not have kwallet a member but initialized on demand and destroyed once the operation was finished [11:59] which is not the case, unless I am missing something [12:08] 12:08 < ranjan> I am getting 3d acceleration on nvidia card with nouveau in Kubuntu 10.10. How did that become possible? !! [12:09] possibly the first person to complain that compositing is working :) [12:09] ^^ [12:13] freeflying: where does kubuntu_90_webkit_htmlxml_gb_gb18030_detect.diff come from and does it need a SRU? [12:19] brrr [12:20] ghns' most downloads order is completely pointless [12:20] Quintasan: is recorditnow in multiverse only because it depends on mencoder? [12:30] Riddell: it's experimental-snapshots branch [12:30] fabo: thanks, found it [12:31] fabo: why are there both pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git and pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git ? [12:32] Riddell: that's temporary. we moved all qt related packages under the same dir. [12:32] that's nothing more than a symlink [12:33] pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git is the real one [12:35] fabo: random git question, is there a difference between git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git and git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/qt4-x11 ? [12:36] no [12:42] fabo: so it's just git being tricky? :) [12:42] yeah :) [12:43] thanks fabo [12:43] yw [12:55] debfx: feel free to do it :) [13:21] debfx: what does plasma-widget-fastuserswitch do that kickoff menu doesn't? [13:22] Riddell: dunno, ask shadeslayer :) [13:23] Riddell: dunno, ask the guy who made it :P [13:23] :D [13:23] i guess its like the shutdown/log off plasmoid [13:23] for easy switches between 2 users [13:26] we should evaluate the usefulness of our plasma-widget-* packages :) [13:27] for example we have 3 weather widgets + kde has 2 built-in [13:27] I have this clever weather widget built into my flat, it's called a window, I look at it and it tells me what the weather is [13:34] Riddell: cool, but is your window widget free software? :P [13:36] We probably have enough clocks too. [13:36] there's only two I think, digital and analogue no? [13:37] Fuzzy also [13:39] digital, analog, fuzzy, adjustable and binary [13:40] golly [13:43] I think that rises at least to "enough". [13:44] more power to the user? [13:44] we also have 5-6 browsers :P [13:45] None of the KDE ones are particularly useful though. [13:46] * Riddell disagrees [13:47] Riddell: merges from experimental? or unstable? [13:47] or whichever is newer [13:51] shadeslayer: whichever the best version is [13:51] shadeslayer: probably experimental [13:51] what are you looking at? [13:51] kde4libs [13:51] mind and add yourself to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/NattyMerges [13:51] but since our version is newer , i think ill have to leave it .. [13:52] yes, im just having a look if i can do it :P [13:52] there will still be plenty to merge I'm sure [13:53] shadeslayer: get their packages from git [13:53] packages? [13:53] you mean debian/ ? [13:53] yes, packaging [13:53] git clone git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git [13:54] cd kde4libs; git checkout remotes/origin/kde4.5 [13:55] ok [13:56] hmm debian git is slow :( [13:56] im getting 5 KBps :P [13:56] oh and archive autosync is in progress i think [13:56] I'm merging kdelibs 3 now [13:57] debfx: thats one dirty merge [13:57] it has a gazillion patches ^^ [13:57] yeah, and i think 3-4 of them needed a refresh or something [13:58] IIRC there are some security fixes in there that should go to earlier releases in -security. [14:05] Riddell: we MUST ship gtk-oxygen-engine [14:05] like .. default for natty [14:06] isn't that the one that has hardcoded values for a load of things? [14:07] uh .. dont know, http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/gtk-oxygen-engine?content=129715&PHPSESSID=b2c6a8bc42e6fb0ddc347f1f532baa9f [14:08] but i have it installed, looks pretty awesome [14:09] it's on the list to be discussed [14:11] Riddell: i dont see it on the wiki [14:12] it's on the whiteboard for packaging spec [14:14] Riddell: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appselection-kubuntu-n-packaging << page not found [14:16] same for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuNattyPackaging [14:16] ScottK: looks like security_05_XMLHttpRequest_vulnerability.diff has been accidentally dropped in lucid [14:16] Do we have synaptiks (synaptiks.lunaryorn.de) packaged? [14:17] shadeslayer: seems it's https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-kubuntu-n-packaging [14:17] dasKreech: yes, kde-config-synaptiks [14:17] ah cool thanks [14:17] ah ok then [14:19] Riddell: switch from kde-config-touchpad to kde-config-synaptiks should be added there as well [14:30] debfx: added [14:33] Riddell: uh https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-yawp/0.3.5-0ubuntu1~lucid1 << thats supposed to be maverick1 right? [14:36] shadeslayer: hum, yes [14:37] debfx: MRU I suspect then [14:37] dasKreech: MRU? [14:38] MIR [14:38] whoops [14:38] just woke up [14:38] rickspencer3: please accept https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-general-n-git-for-bzr-users [14:39] Riddell, will do [14:39] I'm taking a bit of a day off, so if you've got more, now's the time [14:39] don't think I do [14:39] Riddell, or ask Jono to grant you approval powers, I already asked him to do so [14:40] anyway, accepted ;) [14:42] Riddell: "that a bzr user does not fill lost and frustrated trying" ... s/fill/feel [14:42] shadeslayer: agateau's typo not mine! [14:43] agateau: ^ :P [14:43] shadeslayer: oups [14:43] heh :D [14:43] shadeslayer: fixed [14:44] Riddell: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appselection-kubuntu-n-kontact ::page not found [14:44] dasKreech: ah, well first we need to decide if we actually want to switch [14:45] Of course :) [14:46] my first package uploaded to natty! [14:47] oohh https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-dx-n-apple-compatible-browser-gestures [14:47] Riddell: qt? [14:48] shadeslayer: no, qt will take another 10 hours to compile (possible slight exaggeration, but not much) [14:48] ah ok :D [14:48] debfx: Was it dropped or is it new (and needs to go in earlier releases too)? [14:51] ScottK: earlier release have the patch through security uploads [14:52] debfx: OK. I think this is the one I was pushing shadeslayer to do the merge before release to get. [14:53] debfx: It's in Universe starting in Lucid, so unless one of us prepares the security upload it won't get done. [14:58] ScottK: the patch was added in 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2.1ubuntu3 and 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3 but disappeared later in lucid [14:58] Oh. [14:59] Lovely. [14:59] It still sounds like it needs to be fixed in -security for Lucid/Maverick though. [15:02] yes [15:50] neat, looks like gcc-4.5 will be default for natty [15:51] Already is. [15:51] Also using the gold linker, so stand by for 'fun'. [15:51] JontheEchidna: you're a fan of gcc 4.5? [15:52] I'm a fan of anything that brings optimizations :P [15:52] ScottK: is gold usable nowadays at all? [15:52] last time I checked, a lot of packages wouldn't build with it [15:53] Sput: Thus the "fun". [15:53] ScottK: I see. [15:53] Debian put a fair amount of effort into fixing related bugs already, so it shouldn't be horrible. [15:53] * Sput still waits for gcc-4.5 being unmasked on Gentoo [15:53] ... by which time I can be reasonably sure that almost all software should build with it [15:54] supposedly "by the end of this week" [15:54] tsk, Gentoo, always so conservative, join us and live on the edge! [15:55] gold's main advantage is faster linking? [15:55] faster loading presumably, since libraries aren't linked to so many things [15:55] nice [15:56] but we already try and do that with cmake flags I thought [15:56] now's the best time to upgrade to natty, since they haven't uploaded the X bits yet :P [16:06] ^ probably :) [16:11] I can already feel the gold linker "fun" while trying to build kdelibs in natty [16:15] QApt is gold-ready, at least [16:16] wow, it does link very fast [16:20] if I hit one more missing lib, i'll just add -Wl,--add-needed to LDFLAGS [16:23] hahaha [16:23] debfx: sersiously dude, best of luck on kdelibs merge :D [16:27] fun! [16:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/513958/ [16:29] shadeslayer: the merge is basically done and --add-needed works fine :) [16:30] [muon] jmthomas * 1186269 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CMakeLists.txt Link to nepomuk explicitly for gold support [16:33] anyway we should start removing kde3 packages [16:34] meh ... LP fail [16:34] what is wrong today... im getting just 5-6 KBps today [16:36] I did a bit of kde3 package removal rigth before maverick was released. :) [16:36] maybe everyone in India is downloading Kubuntu 10.10? [16:36] I got 8 source packages killed, iirc [16:37] Riddell: uh.. from launchpad? i dont think so :P [16:37] Anything in this purple list right here that has a popcon of less than 60-75 should be fair game: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/universe.html#notinA [16:37] otherwise we would want to follow debian with their removals [16:37] one more: bug #661300 [16:37] Launchpad bug 661300 in knetstats (Ubuntu) "Please remove the package knetstats" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661300 [16:38] debfx: btw, you can confirm that now since you are MOTU [16:38] I'm not sure if popcon can be trusted at all [16:41] JontheEchidna: ah, right [16:49] debfx: It's only useful as a relative measure. You can look at popcon for kubuntu-desktop and for a particular package and get a reasonable estimate of X% of Kubuntu users use package X. [16:49] It will, of course, be off since not all users of the package will be Kubuntu users. [16:50] And some few Kubuntu users will uninstall the metapackage for some reason or another. [17:41] yay, I got kdelibs to build on natty ^^ [17:41] yay! [17:44] great [17:45] Riddell: any idea what sip package debian has? [17:45] * Quintasan can't access packages.debian.org [17:45] sip4-qt3 (4.10.2-1) unstable [17:46] Quintasan: have you seen my message from earlier today? [17:46] debfx: not sure [17:47] debfx: well, backlock in not long enough [17:47] :P [17:47] backlog* [17:47] [muon] jmthomas * 1186292 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/ (UpdateEvent/UpdateEvent.cpp event.cpp event.h) Add an update() function so that the status notifier item tooltip and icon can be updated if/when necessary [17:48] Quintasan: is recorditnow in multiverse only because it depends on mencoder? [17:48] I think it is so. [17:48] I'm not sure about the state of mencoder [17:49] it's in universe since maverick [17:49] debfx: well, it is a problem? [17:50] Quintasan: maybe we can move recorditnow to universe [17:50] well, let me grab updated version [17:50] so I [17:50] gah [17:51] I will update the package and annoy someone so it gets back to universe if possible [17:52] !info recorditnow [17:52] recorditnow (source: recorditnow): desktop recorder for KDE. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 0.7-0ubuntu5 (maverick), package size 353 kB, installed size 1516 kB [17:52] Quintasan: I've started packaging 0.8.1 [17:53] it installs some header files which it probably shouldn't [17:53] i haven't fixed that yet [17:55] urgh [17:55] I need a way to download source package from latest verison of ubuntu without any url pasting and chaging repositories :S [17:56] Quintasan: quite simple really [17:56] Riddell: well, no luck, I need SIP 4.11 or lates :S [17:56] pull-lp-source [17:56] and see the man page for all the foo you can do with it [17:56] * Quintasan can't keep up with those damn lp tools [17:57] god damn [17:57] super fast internets :/ [17:58] what did I do to get a WoW player T_T [18:00] Quintasan: Riddell can move it. [18:01] ScottK: I'd like to know why it was moved to multiverse in the first place [18:01] Wasn't mencoder in Multiverse before? [18:01] !find LC_MESSAGES [18:01] (agreed though, know is good ) [18:01] File LC_MESSAGES found in a2ps, abook, abraca, accerciser, acheck, aegis, aeskulap, afbackup-common, agave, akonadi-kde-resource-googledata (and 1964 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=LC_MESSAGES&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any [18:01] know/knowing [18:02] I can't even pull the source from LP [18:02] :/ [18:03] Quintasan: remember, you need to name the source, not the binary package [18:03] it is the same [18:05] debfx: will you do all that packaging stuff? [18:06] Quintasan: I can send you the package if you want to continue [18:06] sure, why not [18:06] though I'm just postponing the inevitable [18:06] :P [18:10] shadeslayer: how is going kde4libs merge? [18:10] Lex79: well .. im looking at the changelog, but im a bit of a loss as to where to start :P [18:10] you're too slow [18:10] i know [18:10] :D [18:11] but i have no idea where to start merging from ^_^ [18:11] merges are PITA [18:12] from debian/patches for instance [18:12] merges is a good work to learn packaging [18:12] like.. there have been 7-8 ubuntu releases, where as debian has only 1 release for the same time period [18:12] That's because we like to break things more often [18:12] :) [18:13] exactly [18:13] shadeslayer: I can already see the tons of bugs when we release Project Neon [18:13] hehe [18:13] lol [18:13] Quintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/recorditnow_0.8.1-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz [18:14] Quintasan: blame it on yofel_ :P [18:14] * Lex79 wants Neon also for natty [18:14] Lex79: help us complete it for maverick first [18:14] * Lex79 looks Quintasan [18:14] It's not like we need some extra changes for natty shadeslayer [18:15] hmm.. not really i think [18:15] And build for natty are still not available I belive [18:15] but im pretty sure that we will have linking problems [18:15] Quintasan: we do have them [18:16] hmm ... im pretty sure we dont want 20_use_dejavu_as_default_font.diff from debian [18:16] nope [18:17] debfx: thanks [18:17] that reminds me I need to set up my p.u.c connection [18:19] Lex79: ill get it done within 30 mins or so i think, then comes testbuilding [18:20] eek [18:20] building new sip [18:20] shadeslayer: pray it works! [18:20] shadeslayer: what? already merged? [18:20] Lex79: kde4libs? no .. [18:20] wut [18:20] im working on it [18:20] ah sorry, misread [18:21] merge complete in less than an hour is a miracle [18:21] someone living in Australia oder somewhere else in the south, I need a new home for 6 month, it is too cold here [18:21] evening [18:21] neversfelde: \o [18:21] :P [18:21] hey neversfelde [18:21] * Quintasan would like a new home too [18:21] hi [18:21] I hate winter [18:22] shadeslayer: I hope you are going the NEXT UDS? [18:22] * Quintasan will be able to go without any problems then [18:22] Quintasan: the one in florida, yes [18:22] the next one.. not so sure [18:22] well, I should like it, but I have no experience in skiing, I guess I should learn now [18:22] :< [18:23] Quintasan: i might have exams [18:23] If it is in Europe then I'm all set [18:23] neversfelde: I miss germany and its cold and its bratwurst, do you want come here? we can change :) [18:23] I will be 18 by then and that means no guardian and this means no additional cost on my side :P [18:24] Lex79: not before Gotthard tunnel is ready, but I can send you Bratwurst :) [18:24] Urgh, Germany sometimes makes me sick [18:24] and it is not much warmer in Italy in the winter, is it? [18:24] neversfelde: there's the sea in front my window and the beach with nice girls [18:25] merge-changelog fail [18:25] Lex79: want to change? :D [18:25] neversfelde: 18 C here [18:25] ok, let's change [18:25] lol [18:25] Lex79: I can offer you Polish vodka [18:25] hmm [18:25] Quintasan: no I want to go to Germany :) [18:25] Lex79: I have the alps in front of my window, ah and I'm sure nice girls, too [18:26] ahahaha :) [18:26] Lex79: should i merge with unreleased or unstable ? ( debian ) [18:26] with git [18:26] unreleased [18:26] Lex79: man, if I were you I wouldn't change [18:26] hmm ok [18:26] Lex79: versioning issue then [18:27] Quintasan: I like German people :) [18:27] merge-changelog merges 4:4.5.1-0r1 before our current packaging [18:27] uhm [18:27] Lex79: Well, I can't say I hate them but I have bad experience with Germans :S [18:28] mhh [18:28] Lex79: what do i version our package? :D [18:28] 4.5.2-1ubuntu1 [18:28] -0r1ubuntu1 ? [18:28] neversfelde: well, I'm sure that the whole Germany is full of people like that, but that leaves some sort of bad impression [18:28] is not* [18:29] * Quintasan left out an important word [18:29] :O [18:29] shadeslayer: get rid of that 0r1, it's fine with 1ubuntu1 [18:29] pl [18:29] ok then [18:29] Quintasan: what leaves a bad impression? [18:30] I meet a ton of friendly people in Hamburg [18:30] Hamburg is great, a busy town [18:31] I do not want to live there, but my parents are near Hamburg [18:31] neversfelde: hmm for starters, recently I some ladies from Germany went to Poland and they ordered tons of foods and they refused to pay, saying "We are in Poland, we do not have to pay here". [18:31] god, I read that* [18:31] * Quintasan is totally not in shape today [18:32] * Lex79 likes say "thuss" :D [18:32] :D [18:32] Quintasan: that's bad, but I think that people are everywhere [18:33] Lex79: well, that's true [18:33] Quintasan: probably in the polish equivalent of "Bild Zeitung" It's a little bit generalized to judge about german people, because some girls did not want to pay their bill, is it? [18:33] Lex79: I guess you mean "Tschüß" :) [18:33] bye [18:33] yeah [18:34] neversfelde: I'm pretty sure you are right, if "Bild Zeitung" is some sort of totally idiotic tabloid. [18:34] it's what Sun is in england [18:35] boulevard press [18:35] Well, we have "Fakt" in Poland [18:35] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [18:35] hehe [18:35] Latest head line - "My fridge attacked me!" [18:35] _Groo_: \o [18:35] haha [18:35] <_Groo_> i just added this bug to kde, 254283 [18:35] Quintasan: I guess every country has something like that [18:35] <_Groo_> hey Quintasan [18:35] ari-tczew: You didn't see that? [18:35] <_Groo_> aparently digikam 1.4 and 1.5 are broken, you cant open the settings [18:35] or 'I don't sleep, I'm keeping dresser." [18:35] <_Groo_> bug 254283 [18:36] Launchpad bug 254283 in movabletype-opensource (Ubuntu) "Please sync movabletype-opensource 4.2~rc4-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254283 [18:36] <_Groo_> hmm not launchpad [18:36] Quintasan: about fridge not, but demotywatory.pl hosts sometimes similiar cases :P [18:36] <_Groo_> do we have a bot to see kde bugs? [18:36] I mean, seriously, how the hell a fridge can attack you? [18:36] Quintasan: froze your head :> [18:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: there are movies that prove otheriwise [18:37] _Groo_: no, give me the titles. [18:37] Lex79: btw, if you want a real good Bratwurst, do not visit Hamburg, visit me :) [18:38] Bratwurst, hmm is that a sasuage in a roll? [18:39] neversfelde: ahah ok :) why you said before that you don't want live in Hamburg? too busy town? [18:40] Quintasan: yes [18:42] Lex79: yes and to far in the north. And too expensive [18:42] <_Groo_> Quintasan: here ya go http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103729/ [18:42] it's less expensive than here [18:42] <_Groo_> Quintasan: Attack of the Killer Refridgerator, a classic XD [18:42] * Lex79 likes also waffel [18:43] gnam gnam [18:44] oh god [18:46] kde bug 254283 [18:46] KDE bug 254283 in libkipi "digikam 1 4 0 (and 1 5 0) crash as soon as i click settings / configure digikam" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254283 [18:47] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: just talked to guilles, which is a digikam developer, he told me to update libkipi :P but we are using 4.5.2a already.. any ideas? [18:47]