[08:53] <valorie_> Mamarok: thanks so much for your testimonial
[08:54] <valoriez> how was your time in Zurich?
[09:25] <Mamarok> valoriez: they canceled my talk, not enough registration. But the hint for registration was at the bottom of a quite long mail by the organizers :(
[09:25] <Mamarok> but Munich was great :)
[09:33] <valoriez> dang it, Munich
[09:33] <valoriez> geez
[10:20] <valoriez> http://xkcd.com/797/
[10:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: ping
[10:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: fancy taking a look at this? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpadlib/kwallet/+merge/38366
[11:16] <Riddell> right, SRUs done, e-mail backlog done, USD specs registered, let's get on with merges
[11:16]  * Riddell grabs qt
[11:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill fix it, but git.reviewboard is a PITA, wont let me update patches
[11:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: looks a bit over engineered
[11:28] <apachelogger> also
[11:28] <apachelogger> +    app = QtGui.QApplication([])
[11:28] <apachelogger> is dirty
[11:28] <apachelogger> and causes the dirty kwallet_is_initialized var
[11:29] <Riddell> but won't kwallet need a QApplication?
[11:29] <apachelogger> yes, but there are more sensible approaches to getting a qapp
[11:30] <Riddell> fabo: how do I find the debian packaging branch for qt4.x11 4.7 ?
[11:30] <apachelogger> i.e. ::instance() or what it is called
[11:30] <apachelogger> IIRC that returns either the existing instance OR a new one
[11:30] <apachelogger> why he uses a qwidget to embody the wallet is also a mystery to me
[11:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll take a closer look
[11:31] <sresu> apachelogger: Hey.. found this - https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ubuntuone-kde Should I go with it?
[11:31] <apachelogger> go where?
[11:31] <sresu> apachelogger: Use it?
[11:31] <apachelogger> if it works
[11:31] <sresu> apachelogger: What do you mean if it works?
[11:32] <apachelogger> that it does not work
[11:32] <sresu> apachelogger: Haven't you made it?
[11:32] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375145
[11:32]  * apachelogger should blog about that
[11:32] <sresu> Yes I know
[11:32] <apachelogger> I get like 5 mails per week why it does not work
[11:32] <sresu> Ah-ok
[11:32] <sresu> No probs. I'll see
[11:32] <sresu> apachelogger: Thanks
[11:33] <debfx> shadeslayer: do you mind if I add a watch file to plasma-widget-fastuserswitch (in the git repo)?
[11:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: I agree with Leonard that what would really be needed is a proper python-keyring (i.e. using existing bindings etc)
[11:34] <apachelogger> maybe Benji could do it ^^
[11:35]  * apachelogger notes that the logic is there in like every app that uses both kwallet and gnomekeyring and just needs to be turned into something more general
[11:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: isn't that just what python-keyring does?
[11:35] <apachelogger> no
[11:35] <apachelogger> python-keyring has own bindings
[11:36] <apachelogger> also I recon the API is sort of limited
[11:37] <Riddell> so it does, how strange
[11:37] <Riddell> but is that a reason not to use it?
[11:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't know, all I know is that the u1/ubuntu-sso people also decided against it for one reason or another (though their use case is a bit special really)
[11:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: from a maintenance and reliability POV I would choose official bindings over others though...
[11:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you get why he is using a QWidget?
[11:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: he seems to recon it was needed, I'm skeptical
[11:58] <apachelogger> well
[11:58] <apachelogger> kwallet generally wants a parenting widget
[11:58] <Riddell> but maybe it needs a QObject for the slot?
[11:58] <apachelogger> it is not needed though
[11:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: with async connection it does
[11:58] <apachelogger> though I think using synchronious access for this use case there would be fine too
[11:59] <apachelogger> that is related to the fact that I would prefer to not have kwallet a member but initialized on demand and destroyed once the operation was finished
[11:59] <apachelogger> which is not the case, unless I am missing something
[12:08] <Riddell> 12:08 < ranjan> I am getting 3d acceleration on nvidia card with nouveau in Kubuntu 10.10. How did that become possible? !!
[12:09] <Riddell> possibly the first person to complain that compositing is working :)
[12:09] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:13] <Riddell> freeflying: where does kubuntu_90_webkit_htmlxml_gb_gb18030_detect.diff come from and does it need a SRU?
[12:19] <apachelogger> brrr
[12:20] <apachelogger> ghns' most downloads order is completely pointless
[12:20] <debfx> Quintasan: is recorditnow in multiverse only because it depends on mencoder?
[12:30] <fabo> Riddell: it's experimental-snapshots branch
[12:30] <Riddell> fabo: thanks, found it
[12:31] <Riddell> fabo: why are there both pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git and pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git ?
[12:32] <fabo> Riddell: that's temporary. we moved all qt related packages under the same dir.
[12:32] <fabo> that's nothing more than a symlink
[12:33] <fabo> pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git is the real one
[12:35] <Riddell> fabo: random git question, is there a difference between git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git and git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/qt4-x11  ?
[12:36] <fabo> no
[12:42] <Riddell> fabo: so it's just git being tricky? :)
[12:42] <fabo> yeah :)
[12:43] <Riddell> thanks fabo 
[12:43] <fabo> yw
[12:55] <shadeslayer> debfx: feel free to do it :)
[13:21] <Riddell> debfx: what does plasma-widget-fastuserswitch do that kickoff menu doesn't?
[13:22] <debfx> Riddell: dunno, ask shadeslayer :)
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dunno, ask the guy who made it :P
[13:23] <debfx> :D
[13:23] <shadeslayer> i guess its like the shutdown/log off plasmoid
[13:23] <shadeslayer> for easy switches between 2 users
[13:26] <debfx> we should evaluate the usefulness of our plasma-widget-* packages :)
[13:27] <debfx> for example we have 3 weather widgets + kde has 2 built-in
[13:27] <Riddell> I have this clever weather widget built into my flat, it's called a window, I look at it and it tells me what the weather is
[13:34] <debfx> Riddell: cool, but is your window widget free software? :P
[13:36] <ScottK> We probably have enough clocks too.
[13:36] <Riddell> there's only two I think, digital and analogue no?
[13:37] <ScottK> Fuzzy also
[13:39] <debfx> digital, analog, fuzzy, adjustable and binary
[13:40] <Riddell> golly
[13:43] <ScottK> I think that rises at least to "enough".
[13:44] <shadeslayer> more power to the user? 
[13:44] <shadeslayer> we also have 5-6 browsers :P
[13:45] <ScottK> None of the KDE ones are particularly useful though.
[13:46]  * Riddell disagrees
[13:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: merges from experimental? or unstable?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> or whichever is newer
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: whichever the best version is
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: probably experimental
[13:51] <Riddell> what are you looking at?
[13:51] <shadeslayer> kde4libs 
[13:51] <Riddell> mind and add yourself to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/NattyMerges
[13:51] <shadeslayer> but since our version is newer , i think ill have to leave it ..
[13:52] <shadeslayer> yes, im just having a look if i can do it :P
[13:52] <Riddell> there will still be plenty to merge I'm sure
[13:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: get their packages from git
[13:53] <shadeslayer> packages?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> you mean debian/ ?
[13:53] <Riddell> yes, packaging
[13:53] <Riddell> git clone git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git
[13:54] <Riddell> cd kde4libs; git checkout remotes/origin/kde4.5
[13:55] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:56] <shadeslayer> hmm debian git is slow :(
[13:56] <shadeslayer> im getting 5 KBps :P
[13:56] <shadeslayer> oh and archive autosync is in progress i think
[13:56] <debfx> I'm merging kdelibs 3 now
[13:57] <shadeslayer> debfx: thats one dirty merge
[13:57] <debfx> it has a gazillion patches ^^
[13:57] <shadeslayer> yeah, and i think 3-4 of them needed a refresh or something
[13:58] <ScottK> IIRC there are some security fixes in there that should go to earlier releases in -security.
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we MUST ship gtk-oxygen-engine   
[14:05] <shadeslayer> like .. default for natty
[14:06] <Riddell> isn't that the one that has hardcoded values for a load of things?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> uh .. dont know, http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/gtk-oxygen-engine?content=129715&PHPSESSID=b2c6a8bc42e6fb0ddc347f1f532baa9f
[14:08] <shadeslayer> but i have it installed, looks pretty awesome
[14:09] <Riddell> it's on the list to be discussed
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i dont see it on the wiki
[14:12] <Riddell> it's on the whiteboard for packaging spec
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appselection-kubuntu-n-packaging << page not found
[14:16] <shadeslayer> same for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuNattyPackaging
[14:16] <debfx> ScottK: looks like security_05_XMLHttpRequest_vulnerability.diff has been accidentally dropped in lucid
[14:16] <dasKreech> Do we have synaptiks (synaptiks.lunaryorn.de) packaged?
[14:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems it's https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-kubuntu-n-packaging
[14:17] <debfx> dasKreech: yes, kde-config-synaptiks
[14:17] <dasKreech> ah cool thanks 
[14:17] <shadeslayer> ah ok then
[14:19] <debfx> Riddell: switch from kde-config-touchpad to kde-config-synaptiks should be added there as well
[14:30] <Riddell> debfx: added
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-yawp/0.3.5-0ubuntu1~lucid1 << thats supposed to be maverick1 right?
[14:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hum, yes
[14:37] <dasKreech> debfx: MRU I suspect then
[14:37] <debfx> dasKreech: MRU?
[14:38] <dasKreech> MIR
[14:38] <dasKreech> whoops
[14:38] <dasKreech> just woke up
[14:38] <Riddell> rickspencer3: please accept https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-general-n-git-for-bzr-users
[14:39] <rickspencer3> Riddell, will do
[14:39] <rickspencer3> I'm taking a bit of a day off, so if you've got more, now's the time 
[14:39] <Riddell> don't think I do
[14:39] <rickspencer3> Riddell, or ask Jono to grant you approval powers, I already asked him to do so
[14:40] <rickspencer3> anyway, accepted ;)
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: "that a bzr user does not fill lost and frustrated trying" ... s/fill/feel
[14:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: agateau's typo not mine!
[14:43] <shadeslayer> agateau: ^ :P
[14:43] <agateau> shadeslayer: oups
[14:43] <shadeslayer> heh :D
[14:43] <agateau> shadeslayer: fixed
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appselection-kubuntu-n-kontact ::page not found
[14:44] <debfx> dasKreech: ah, well first we need to decide if we actually want to switch
[14:45] <dasKreech> Of course :)
[14:46] <Riddell> my first package uploaded to natty!
[14:47] <shadeslayer> oohh https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-dx-n-apple-compatible-browser-gestures
[14:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: qt?
[14:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, qt will take another 10 hours to compile (possible slight exaggeration, but not much)
[14:48] <shadeslayer> ah ok :D
[14:48] <ScottK> debfx: Was it dropped or is it new (and needs to go in earlier releases too)?
[14:51] <debfx> ScottK: earlier release have the patch through security uploads
[14:52] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  I think this is the one I was pushing shadeslayer to do the merge before release to get.
[14:53] <ScottK> debfx: It's in Universe starting in Lucid, so unless one of us prepares the security upload it won't get done.
[14:58] <debfx> ScottK: the patch was added in 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2.1ubuntu3 and 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3 but disappeared later in lucid
[14:58] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:59] <ScottK> Lovely.
[14:59] <ScottK> It still sounds like it needs to be fixed in -security for Lucid/Maverick though.
[15:02] <debfx> yes
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> neat, looks like gcc-4.5 will be default for natty
[15:51] <ScottK> Already is.
[15:51] <ScottK> Also using the gold linker, so stand by for 'fun'.
[15:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you're a fan of gcc 4.5?
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> I'm a fan of anything that brings optimizations :P
[15:52] <Sput> ScottK: is gold usable nowadays at all?
[15:52] <Sput> last time I checked, a lot of packages wouldn't build with it
[15:53] <ScottK> Sput: Thus the "fun".
[15:53] <Sput> ScottK: I see.
[15:53] <ScottK> Debian put a fair amount of effort into fixing related bugs already, so it shouldn't be horrible.
[15:53]  * Sput still waits for gcc-4.5 being unmasked on Gentoo
[15:53] <Sput> ... by which time I can be reasonably sure that almost all software should build with it
[15:54] <Sput> supposedly "by the end of this week"
[15:54] <Riddell> tsk, Gentoo, always so conservative, join us and live on the edge!
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> gold's main advantage is faster linking?
[15:55] <Riddell> faster loading presumably, since libraries aren't linked to so many things
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> nice
[15:56] <Riddell> but we already try and do that with cmake flags I thought
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> now's the best time to upgrade to natty, since they haven't uploaded the X bits yet :P
[16:06] <shadeslayer> ^ probably :)
[16:11] <debfx> I can already feel the gold linker "fun" while trying to build kdelibs in natty
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> QApt is gold-ready, at least
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> wow, it does link very fast
[16:20] <debfx> if I hit one more missing lib, i'll just add -Wl,--add-needed to LDFLAGS
[16:23] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:23] <shadeslayer> debfx: sersiously dude, best of luck on kdelibs merge :D
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> fun!
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/513958/
[16:29] <debfx> shadeslayer: the merge is basically done and --add-needed works fine :)
[16:30] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1186269 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CMakeLists.txt Link to nepomuk explicitly for gold support
[16:33] <debfx> anyway we should start removing kde3 packages
[16:34] <shadeslayer> meh ... LP fail
[16:34] <shadeslayer> what is wrong today... im getting just 5-6 KBps today
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> I did a bit of kde3 package removal rigth before maverick was released. :)
[16:36] <Riddell> maybe everyone in India is downloading Kubuntu 10.10?
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> I got 8 source packages killed, iirc
[16:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh.. from launchpad? i dont think so :P
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> Anything in this purple list right here that has a popcon of less than 60-75 should be fair game: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/universe.html#notinA
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> otherwise we would want to follow debian with their removals
[16:37] <debfx> one more: bug #661300
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> debfx: btw, you can confirm that now since you are MOTU
[16:38] <debfx> I'm not sure if popcon can be trusted at all
[16:41] <debfx> JontheEchidna: ah, right
[16:49] <ScottK> debfx: It's only useful as a relative measure.  You can look at popcon for kubuntu-desktop and for a particular package and get a reasonable estimate of X% of Kubuntu users use package X.
[16:49] <ScottK> It will, of course, be off since not all users of the package will be Kubuntu users.
[16:50] <persia> And some few Kubuntu users will uninstall the metapackage for some reason or another.
[17:41] <debfx> yay, I got kdelibs to build on natty ^^
[17:41] <Riddell> yay!
[17:44] <Quintasan> great
[17:45] <Quintasan> Riddell: any idea what sip package debian has?
[17:45]  * Quintasan can't access packages.debian.org
[17:45] <Riddell> sip4-qt3 (4.10.2-1) unstable
[17:46] <debfx> Quintasan: have you seen my message from earlier today?
[17:46] <Quintasan> debfx: not sure
[17:47] <Quintasan> debfx: well, backlock in not long enough
[17:47] <Quintasan> :P
[17:47] <Quintasan> backlog*
[17:47] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1186292 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/ (UpdateEvent/UpdateEvent.cpp event.cpp event.h) Add an update() function so that the status notifier item tooltip and icon can be updated if/when necessary
[17:48] <debfx> Quintasan: is recorditnow in multiverse only because it depends on mencoder?
[17:48] <Quintasan> I think it is so.
[17:48] <Quintasan> I'm not sure about the state of mencoder
[17:49] <debfx> it's in universe since maverick
[17:49] <Quintasan> debfx: well, it is a problem?
[17:50] <debfx> Quintasan: maybe we can move recorditnow to universe
[17:50] <Quintasan> well, let me grab updated version
[17:50] <Quintasan> so I
[17:50] <Quintasan> gah
[17:51] <Quintasan> I will update the package and annoy someone so it gets back to universe if possible
[17:52] <Quintasan> !info recorditnow
[17:52] <debfx> Quintasan: I've started packaging 0.8.1
[17:53] <debfx> it installs some header files which it probably shouldn't
[17:53] <debfx> i haven't fixed that yet
[17:55] <Quintasan> urgh
[17:55] <Quintasan> I need a way to download source package from latest verison of ubuntu without any url pasting and chaging repositories :S
[17:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: quite simple really
[17:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, no luck, I need SIP 4.11 or lates :S
[17:56] <shadeslayer> pull-lp-source
[17:56] <shadeslayer> and see the man page for all the foo you can do with it
[17:56]  * Quintasan can't keep up with those damn lp tools
[17:57] <Quintasan> god damn
[17:57] <Quintasan> super fast internets :/
[17:58] <Quintasan> what did I do to get a WoW player T_T
[18:00] <ScottK> Quintasan: Riddell can move it.
[18:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'd like to know why it was moved to multiverse in the first place
[18:01] <ScottK> Wasn't mencoder in Multiverse before?
[18:01] <ulysses> !find LC_MESSAGES
[18:01] <ScottK> (agreed though, know is good )
[18:01] <ScottK> know/knowing
[18:02] <Quintasan> I can't even pull the source from LP
[18:02] <Quintasan> :/
[18:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: remember, you need to name the source, not the binary package
[18:03] <Quintasan> it is the same
[18:05] <Quintasan> debfx: will you do all that packaging stuff?
[18:06] <debfx> Quintasan: I can send you the package if you want to continue
[18:06] <Quintasan> sure, why not
[18:06] <Quintasan> though I'm just postponing the inevitable
[18:06] <Quintasan> :P
[18:10] <Lex79> shadeslayer: how is going kde4libs merge?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Lex79: well .. im looking at the changelog, but im a bit of a loss as to where to start :P
[18:10] <Lex79> you're too slow
[18:10] <shadeslayer> i know
[18:10] <Lex79> :D
[18:11] <shadeslayer> but i have no idea where to start merging from ^_^
[18:11] <Quintasan> merges are PITA
[18:12] <Lex79> from debian/patches for instance
[18:12] <Lex79> merges is a good work to learn packaging
[18:12] <shadeslayer> like.. there have been 7-8 ubuntu releases, where as debian has only 1 release for the same time period
[18:12] <Quintasan> That's because we like to break things more often
[18:12] <Quintasan> :)
[18:13] <Lex79> exactly
[18:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I can already see the tons of bugs when we release Project Neon
[18:13] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:13] <Lex79> lol
[18:13] <debfx> Quintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/recorditnow_0.8.1-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz
[18:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: blame it on yofel_ :P
[18:14]  * Lex79 wants Neon also for natty
[18:14] <shadeslayer> Lex79: help us complete it for maverick first
[18:14]  * Lex79 looks Quintasan
[18:14] <Quintasan> It's not like we need some extra changes for natty shadeslayer 
[18:15] <shadeslayer> hmm.. not really i think
[18:15] <Quintasan> And build for natty are still not available I belive
[18:15] <shadeslayer> but im pretty sure that we will have linking problems
[18:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we do have them
[18:16] <shadeslayer> hmm ... im pretty sure we dont want 20_use_dejavu_as_default_font.diff from debian
[18:16] <Lex79> nope
[18:17] <Quintasan> debfx: thanks
[18:17] <Quintasan> that reminds me I need to set up my p.u.c connection
[18:19] <shadeslayer> Lex79: ill get it done within 30 mins or so i think, then comes testbuilding
[18:20] <Quintasan> eek
[18:20] <Quintasan> building new sip
[18:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: pray it works!
[18:20] <Lex79> shadeslayer: what? already merged?
[18:20] <shadeslayer> Lex79: kde4libs? no ..
[18:20] <Quintasan> wut
[18:20] <shadeslayer> im working on it
[18:20] <Lex79> ah sorry, misread
[18:21] <Quintasan> merge complete in less than an hour is a miracle
[18:21] <neversfelde> someone living in Australia oder somewhere else in the south, I need a new home for 6 month, it is too cold here
[18:21] <neversfelde> evening
[18:21] <Quintasan> neversfelde: \o
[18:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:21] <shadeslayer> hey neversfelde
[18:21]  * Quintasan would like a new home too
[18:21] <neversfelde> hi
[18:21] <Quintasan> I hate winter
[18:22] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I hope you are going the NEXT UDS?
[18:22]  * Quintasan will be able to go without any problems then
[18:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the one in florida, yes
[18:22] <shadeslayer> the next one.. not so sure
[18:22] <neversfelde> well, I should like it, but I have no experience in skiing, I guess I should learn now
[18:22] <Quintasan> :<
[18:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i might have exams
[18:23] <Quintasan> If it is in Europe then I'm all set
[18:23] <Lex79> neversfelde: I miss germany and its cold and its bratwurst, do you want come here? we can change :)
[18:23] <Quintasan> I will be 18 by then and that means no guardian and this means no additional cost on my side :P
[18:24] <neversfelde> Lex79: not before Gotthard tunnel is ready, but I can send you Bratwurst :)
[18:24] <Quintasan> Urgh, Germany sometimes makes me sick
[18:24] <neversfelde> and it is not much warmer in Italy in the winter, is it?
[18:24] <Lex79> neversfelde: there's the sea in front my window and the beach with nice girls
[18:25] <shadeslayer> merge-changelog fail
[18:25] <Quintasan> Lex79: want to change? :D
[18:25] <Lex79> neversfelde: 18 C here
[18:25] <neversfelde> ok, let's change
[18:25] <Lex79> lol
[18:25] <Quintasan> Lex79: I can offer you Polish vodka
[18:25] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:25] <Lex79> Quintasan: no I want to go to Germany :)
[18:25] <neversfelde> Lex79: I have the alps in front of my window, ah and I'm sure nice girls, too 
[18:26] <Lex79> ahahaha :)
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Lex79: should i merge with unreleased or unstable ? ( debian )
[18:26] <Lex79> with git
[18:26] <Lex79> unreleased
[18:26] <Quintasan> Lex79: man, if I were you I wouldn't change
[18:26] <shadeslayer> hmm ok
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Lex79: versioning issue then
[18:27] <Lex79> Quintasan: I like German people :)
[18:27] <shadeslayer> merge-changelog merges 4:4.5.1-0r1 before our current packaging
[18:27] <Lex79> uhm
[18:27] <Quintasan> Lex79: Well, I can't say I hate them but I have bad experience with Germans :S
[18:28] <neversfelde> mhh
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Lex79: what do i version our package? :D
[18:28] <Lex79> 4.5.2-1ubuntu1
[18:28] <shadeslayer> -0r1ubuntu1 ?
[18:28] <Quintasan> neversfelde: well, I'm sure that the whole Germany is full of people like that, but that leaves some sort of bad impression
[18:28] <Quintasan> is not*
[18:29]  * Quintasan left out an important word
[18:29] <Quintasan> :O
[18:29] <Lex79> shadeslayer: get rid of that 0r1, it's fine with 1ubuntu1
[18:29] <shadeslayer> pl
[18:29] <shadeslayer> ok then
[18:29] <neversfelde> Quintasan: what leaves a bad impression?
[18:30] <Lex79> I meet a ton of friendly people in Hamburg
[18:30] <neversfelde> Hamburg is great, a busy town
[18:31] <neversfelde> I do not want to live there, but my parents are near Hamburg 
[18:31] <Quintasan> neversfelde: hmm for starters, recently I some ladies from Germany went to Poland and they ordered tons of foods and they refused to pay, saying "We are in Poland, we do not have to pay here".
[18:31] <Quintasan> god, I read that*
[18:31]  * Quintasan is totally not in shape today
[18:32]  * Lex79 likes say "thuss" :D
[18:32] <Quintasan> :D
[18:32] <Lex79> Quintasan: that's bad, but I think that people are everywhere
[18:33] <Quintasan> Lex79: well, that's true
[18:33] <neversfelde> Quintasan: probably in the polish equivalent of "Bild Zeitung" It's a little bit generalized to judge about german people, because some girls did not want to pay their bill, is it?
[18:33] <neversfelde> Lex79: I guess you mean "Tschüß" :)
[18:33] <neversfelde> bye 
[18:33] <Lex79> yeah
[18:34] <Quintasan> neversfelde: I'm pretty sure you are right, if "Bild Zeitung" is some sort of totally idiotic tabloid.
[18:34] <neversfelde> it's what Sun is in england
[18:35] <neversfelde> boulevard press
[18:35] <Quintasan> Well, we have "Fakt" in Poland
[18:35] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:35] <neversfelde> hehe
[18:35] <Quintasan> Latest head line - "My fridge attacked me!"
[18:35] <Quintasan> _Groo_: \o
[18:35] <ari-tczew> haha
[18:35] <_Groo_> i just added this bug to kde, 254283
[18:35] <neversfelde> Quintasan: I guess every country has something like that
[18:35] <_Groo_> hey Quintasan 
[18:35] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: You didn't see that?
[18:35] <_Groo_> aparently digikam 1.4 and 1.5 are broken, you cant open the settings
[18:35] <ari-tczew> or 'I don't sleep, I'm keeping dresser."
[18:35] <_Groo_> bug 254283
[18:36] <_Groo_> hmm not launchpad
[18:36] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: about fridge not, but demotywatory.pl hosts sometimes similiar cases :P
[18:36] <_Groo_> do we have a bot to see kde bugs?
[18:36] <Quintasan> I mean, seriously, how the hell a fridge can attack you?
[18:36] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: froze your head :>
[18:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: there are movies that prove otheriwise
[18:37] <Quintasan> _Groo_: no, give me the titles.
[18:37] <neversfelde> Lex79: btw, if you want a real good Bratwurst, do not visit Hamburg, visit me :)
[18:38] <Quintasan> Bratwurst, hmm is that a sasuage in a roll?
[18:39] <Lex79> neversfelde: ahah ok :) why you said before that you don't want live in Hamburg? too busy town?
[18:40] <Lex79> Quintasan: yes
[18:42] <neversfelde> Lex79: yes and to far in the north. And too expensive
[18:42] <_Groo_> Quintasan: here ya go http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103729/
[18:42] <Lex79> it's less expensive than here
[18:42] <_Groo_> Quintasan: Attack of the Killer Refridgerator, a classic XD
[18:42]  * Lex79 likes also waffel
[18:43] <Lex79> gnam gnam
[18:44] <Quintasan> oh god
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 254283
[18:47] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: just talked to guilles, which is a digikam developer, he told me to update libkipi :P but we are using 4.5.2a already.. any ideas? 
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> nope
[18:48] <_Groo_> btw can you guys reproduce this? just open digikam, click settings / configure digikam, should bring drkonki pronto :P
[18:48] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: i asked him to tell me which patch fixes this, this way we could backport it
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> but then again they released digikam 1.4 with a dependency on an unreleased version of KDE, so who knows what version they expect?
[18:48] <_Groo_> if not, we are going to get a lot of bug reports about digikam in the following weeks :P
[18:49] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: maybe the hard way is to backport libkipi to latest trunk?
[18:49] <Lex79> they just don't know how to release software, that's it
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: the best part is is that they think packagers are clueless :P
[18:50] <Lex79> yes
[18:50] <Lex79> and kubuntu is crap
[18:50] <Lex79> yes
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> but really they are...
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> (clueless about how to release software, that is)
[18:50] <Lex79> yeah :)
[18:53] <_Groo_> so anyone confirm this? i want to check if its my system only
[18:53] <_Groo_> just open digikam, settings/configure digikam
[18:53] <_Groo_> should give you a colorful little crash
[18:54] <_Groo_> anyway, since im on vacations the next 2 weeks, im gonna try to backport libkipi trunk and see if yuu guys can approve it and release it
[19:03] <shadeslayer> Lex79: hmm.. so much stuff that is documented in changelog, but not implemented actually
[19:03] <shadeslayer> quilt build dep for examp,e
[19:06] <shadeslayer> hmm.. nvm
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Lex79: libasound2-dev has been removed as a build dep by debian, do i follow that?
[19:16] <Lex79> yes
[19:24] <Lex79> shadeslayer: in Debian there is no libqtwebkit-dev in build-deps, please add it in our package
[19:25] <shadeslayer> ok
[19:25] <shadeslayer> im looking at the build deps right now :)
[19:25] <shadeslayer> and that one was already added :P
[19:26] <shadeslayer> Lex79: http://pastebin.com/Q8C4FtgX :: current diff
[19:26] <debfx> Lex79: does kdoctools really need to depend on docbook-xsl? Debian only has docbook-xml
[19:27] <Lex79> see our changelog for that, I don't remember
[19:28] <debfx> Lex79: our changelog doesn't say why it is needed
[19:29] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:29] <Lex79> follow debian for now
[19:29] <shadeslayer> ( ive added it atm )
[19:29] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[19:29] <Lex79> and cross the fingers ;)
[19:29] <Lex79> lol
[19:29] <debfx> docbook-xsl wastes a lot of space (20 MB)
[19:30] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1963269 < what ive done till now
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> are we merging with debian's 4.4 packages?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> Lex79: line 48 onwards : http://pastebin.com/Q8C4FtgX
[19:31] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: with git
[19:31] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: debian has 4.5.1
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> ok
[19:31] <shadeslayer> Lex79: follow debian or keep our replaces/breaks
[19:31] <Lex79> shadeslayer: not really:
 btw, as things are now, debian will never release 4.5.x officially.
[19:32] <shadeslayer> ah ...
[19:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Keep whichever has a higher version unless both are lower than our lucid version in which case they can be dropped.
[19:32] <Lex79> shadeslayer: << 4:4.4.60
[19:33] <shadeslayer> ohk .. ill keep <<4:4.4.60
[19:33] <debfx> well, they have a semi-official kde 4.5 repository
[19:33] <ScottK> I think Riddell said to merge from Debian KDE Git.
[19:34] <shadeslayer> yes, thats what im doing
[19:52] <shadeslayer> almost done
[20:11] <Lex79> shadeslayer: when you finished, put your changes in bzr, I can review later, ensure run "bzr add" and "bzr remove" :)
[20:11] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Lex79: im done, want me to push to a local bzr branch?
[20:12] <Lex79> did you add replaces/breaks for the library transition?
[20:12] <Lex79> there is a library transition iirc
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Lex79: hold on, ill push to my bzr branch
[20:13] <Lex79> ok
[20:13] <Lex79> brb
[20:17] <Quintasan> brr
[20:17] <Quintasan> great
[20:17] <Quintasan> sip builds just fine
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Lex79: bzr branch lp:~rohangarg/kdelibs/ubuntu
[20:17] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[20:17] <ScottK> Quintasan: Can you add Python3 support for Sip?
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Lex79: im deleting that, better idea
[20:17] <ScottK> (upstream supports it).
[20:18] <ScottK> Quintasan: See http://wiki.debian.org/Python/SqueezePy3k for details.
[20:18] <ScottK> (also feel free to harass barry in #ubuntu-devel on the subject)
[20:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, it was supposed to be a quick and dirty package for Project Neon but if guys in debian dont have this then I might update it
[20:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: They don't and it's wanted for Natty and possibly squeeze.
[20:20] <shadeslayer> i so hate lp right now
[20:20] <shadeslayer> 1KBps
[20:20] <Quintasan> Well, time to work I guess :)
[20:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: IIRC there's a package on mentors.debian.net that's about half wrong, but might be good for hints.
[20:20] <shadeslayer> can you believe that ... im branching @ 1KBps ... -.-
[20:21]  * shadeslayer runs to #launchpad
[20:21] <Quintasan> I was branching at 1099 bits
[20:21] <Quintasan> per second :P
[20:22] <shadeslayer> hrh
[20:22] <Quintasan> ScottK: >4.10.5-1
[20:23] <ScottK> Quintasan: I don't recall for sure.
[20:23] <Quintasan> Well. I'll just do what I usually do to upgrade a package, add the python stuff and make sure it works
[20:23] <ScottK> OK.
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Lex79: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/283
[20:26] <shadeslayer> its still WIP 
[20:34] <shadeslayer> Lex79: updated changelog in next commit
[20:37] <shadeslayer> kde4libs starts building \o/
[20:48] <shadeslayer> well.. atleast build deps look ok :>
[20:53] <sheytan> apachelogger what's the name of your KCM to change the qt engine to raster?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> Lex79: argh... power outage, can you pull kde4libs packaging from my bzr branch and build?
[20:54] <RoozbehOnline> hey guys
[20:54] <shadeslayer> Lex79: bzr branch lp:~rohangarg/kdelibs/ubuntu 
[20:55] <RoozbehOnline> http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?pid=22075
[20:55] <shadeslayer> RoozbehOnline: \o
[20:55] <RoozbehOnline> shadeslayer: how are you man :)
[20:55] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu Meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[20:55] <valoriez> \o/
[20:55]  * valoriez is here
[20:56] <Riddell> RoozbehOnline: what's your random link?
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: only kubuntu council is allowed to vote on memberships?
[20:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, but anyone can give an opinion
[20:56] <RoozbehOnline> hi Riddell
[20:56] <RoozbehOnline> Riddell: what do you mean ? :)
[20:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: +1 from my side for valoriez ... theres a power outage here and  :(
[20:57] <Riddell> RoozbehOnline: you just posted a contextless link, what is it?
[20:57] <shadeslayer> RoozbehOnline: KDM theme has wrong spelling, its Welcome ;)
[20:57] <RoozbehOnline> Riddell: this a NEDA artwork preview for kde and chakra linux :)
[20:58] <RoozbehOnline> shadeslayer: yes.... 
[20:58] <RoozbehOnline> shadeslayer: it's a screenshot 
[20:58] <RoozbehOnline> shadeslayer: in this theme this case fixed :)
[20:58] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:58] <shadeslayer> RoozbehOnline: please make some for kubuntu :)
[20:58] <shadeslayer> + i cant attend 
[20:59] <RoozbehOnline> shadeslayer: if I know you use in final release , sure
[20:59] <shadeslayer> RoozbehOnline: it will be up for discussion at UDS
[20:59] <RoozbehOnline> shadeslayer: i said about it to Riddell previously
[20:59] <shadeslayer> ( changing any artwork etc )
[21:00] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[21:00] <shadeslayer> cya people ... 
[21:00] <RoozbehOnline> Riddell: can i contribute in this meeting :)
[21:00] <RoozbehOnline> ?
[21:01] <valoriez> anyone can contribute, RoozbehOnline
[21:01] <valoriez> only council members can vote
[21:11] <Lex79> shadeslayer: I will do
[21:25] <Riddell> valoriez: I added you to members, valorie-zimmerman@kub untu.org will start working sometime next week forwarding to your gmail address
[21:25] <Riddell> you can add your blog straight away to planet if you know how to use bzr
[21:25] <valoriez> I do not, but I'll google
[21:25] <maco> valoriez: got a ssh key on lp?
[21:25] <valoriez> yes
[21:26] <valoriez> at least, I think so
[21:26] <valoriez> oh, ssh, no
[21:26] <Riddell> or you can get someone else to do it who is also a member
[21:26] <valoriez> will I need to ssh/use bzr to work on the docs?
[21:27] <ScottK> It will help and it's not that hard.
[21:27] <valoriez> I'm sure it's different than the KDE system
[21:27] <ScottK> You can use bzr very much like you'd use svn.
[21:27] <Riddell> it's similar to KDE, it's all docbook
[21:27] <valoriez> ok
[21:27] <valoriez> I've not used svn, only git
[21:29] <Riddell> you can use git?!
[21:30] <Riddell> what was that about not being very technical
[21:30] <valoriez> well, I build amarok from git
[21:30] <valoriez> I don't USE it, just pull from it
[21:30] <valoriez> that's like cooking -- I have a recipe, and follow it
[21:30]  * maco giggles at the face Riddell is surely making
[21:30] <valoriez> not very technical
[21:31] <valoriez> lol
[21:31] <Riddell> we have a session booked at UDS for "introduction to git for normal geeks" so you'll be able to tell us all about how to use it
[21:31] <valoriez> lolol
[21:31] <valoriez> the amarok docs seem good
[21:31] <maco> valoriez: if you just use clone & pull, in bzr that's branch & pull
[21:32] <valoriez> the newcomers seem to use it rather easily
[21:32] <maco> wait im wrong
[21:32] <maco> in bzr that's branch and *merge*
[21:32] <maco> git fetch = bzr pull .... i think
[21:32] <valoriez> what?
[21:32] <maco> git clone = bzr branch
[21:32] <valoriez> that would be backwards
[21:32] <valoriez> sure, i can see that
[21:32] <valoriez> fetch=pull sounds right
[21:33] <maco> git fetch gets changes but doesnt try to merge them, but git pull tries to merge them. right?
[21:33] <valoriez> I've never used fetch
[21:33] <hunger> maco: Yes... except when you do git pull --rebase. it does a rebase then.
[21:33] <valoriez> just pull
[21:33] <maco> hunger: too advanced
[21:34] <maco> ok so i think the "get changes but dont merge" in bzr is pull while the "get changes and merge" is merge
[21:34] <hunger> maco: Well, rebasing is way nicer than merging most of the time.
[21:34] <maco> hunger: i havent even sorted what it does yet. all i know is the kernel team uses it a lot
[21:35] <hunger> maco: It takes your commits, removes them, adds the commits from the other branch and then reapplies your own patches on top.
[21:35] <ScottK> hunger: Loses history.  Evil.
[21:35] <maco> ScottK: isnt that how you do a manual 3-way merge for upstream/debian/kubuntu?
[21:36] <ScottK> maco: I don't use a VCS for that.  I use patch and diff.
[21:36] <hunger> ScottK: Not really. The history is private at that point and the "old history" is of course preserved.
[21:36] <ScottK> There are some valid uses for rebasing.
[21:36] <maco> ScottK: right but i mean, --rebase seems to just automate what happens when you manually do those merges with patch & diff
[21:38] <ScottK> Forward porting patches to a new upstream release is one of the valid uses.
[21:38] <ScottK> I think it just generally gets overused.
[21:43] <valoriez> speaking of the docs -- they look OLD
[21:44] <maco> that comment ScottK made about banishing nixternal for biking too much? 
[21:44] <valoriez> even the Ubuntu docs -- when is this stuff due to get the new branding?
[21:44] <maco> that's related
[21:44] <valoriez> ok
[21:44] <maco> oh the branding? dunno about that
[21:44] <maco> i thought you meant the content
[21:45] <maco> which did not get updated for maverick due to lack of personpower
[21:45] <valoriez> I'm still on the top level
[21:45] <valoriez> which looks fine, but dated because of the branding
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> anybody got meeting minutes? (I missed it)
[21:46] <maco> JontheEchidna: there was one topic. her ^ membership. she got itl
[21:46] <maco> *it.
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> nice :)
[21:50] <ScottK> valoriez: The only reason it's not updated is all three of the docs maintainers got busy with other stuff all at the same time.  Please take hold of it and make it wonderful.
[21:51] <valoriez> hmmm, 3 down to one
[21:51] <valoriez> it sounds like I need to recruit a team
[21:51] <valoriez> toiling alone is tough
[21:52] <ScottK> They may get less busy and reappear.
[21:52]  * ScottK looks right at nixternal.
[21:53] <valoriez> lol
[21:53] <Lex79> we have 4:4.5.2a in maverick, so in natty the version should be 4:4.5.2a or 4:4.5.2 ?
[21:53] <valoriez> nixternal sounds like a good person to work with
[21:53] <valoriez> who else used to be active?
[21:54] <sheytan> Heey
[21:54] <Quintasan> \o/
[21:54] <sheytan> where can i put my feature request for next kuubunu release?
[21:54] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: help ^
[21:54] <Quintasan> Probably here sheytan 
[21:54] <sheytan> Quintasan, well, and what when you turn off you machine? :D My ideas will gone :D
[21:55] <Quintasan> post em to the mailing list
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: The UDS page had one, but I think Riddell turned all of those in to specs
[21:57] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: oh I don't understand, I mean, did you read my question? :)
[21:57] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: we have 4:4.5.2a in maverick, so in natty the version should be 4:4.5.2a or 4:4.5.2 ?
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: oh, I thought you were talking about sheytan's question, since you did ^
[21:58] <Lex79> oh sorry
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: we are going to upgrade to 4.5.80 soon enough anyways, so I wouldn't worry about the PPA upgrade case this early on in natty
[21:59] <Lex79> ok
[22:00]  * JontheEchidna pbuilds his new gtk2-engines-oxygen package
[22:07] <debfx> ScottK: I've opened a bug with debdiffs for the kdelibs vulnerability: bug #661416
[22:58] <ScottK> debfx: Great.  I saw it.
[22:59] <ScottK> valoriez: jjesse (not online right now) is a long time contributor who got busy with $WORK.
[22:59] <ScottK> valoriez: DarkWingDuck is a new contributor who kind of fell off the table due to moves and job changes.  He may reappear.
[23:00] <valoriez> thanks!
[23:01] <valoriez> does discussion of the docs belong on the devel list?
[23:02] <valoriez> since I'm sure I'll have lots of questions at first
[23:02] <Riddell> yes
[23:02] <valoriez> thanks, Riddell