[08:08] <lag> GrueMaster: I think they're amazing
[08:09] <lag> GrueMaster: I already have quite a few Cobras, but Kings are awesome
[08:26] <hrw> hello
[08:56] <asmcos> "apt-build world" can compile all arm source code package ?
[08:57] <asmcos> Can I re-compile  all soft package ?
[08:57] <persia> You can certainly recompile everything.
[08:57] <persia> I'm unsure if that syntax is correct for apt-build.
[08:58] <persia> I'm not sure why you'd want to recompile everything though.
[08:58] <asmcos> maybe i want to use a newcompiler ?
[09:00] <asmcos> persia
[09:00] <asmcos> do you compile ubuntu 10.10 for arm ?
[09:01] <asmcos> do you have any document about compile ubuntu for arm ?
[09:02] <hrw> asmcos: you have lot of arm cpu power to waste?
[09:04] <hrw> hi njpatel
[09:04] <asmcos> 没有
[09:05] <asmcos> 你是linux forum的hrw?
[09:05] <njpatel> hrw, hey dude
[09:05] <asmcos> hrw:no
[09:06] <hrw> asmcos: recompilation of whole ubuntu on arm hardware will take ~month if not more...
[09:06] <asmcos> for arm,
[09:06] <asmcos> now on arm
[09:06] <asmcos> not on arm
[09:07] <asmcos> use cross compiler
[09:07] <hrw> asmcos: cross compilation of ubuntu packages is not working for lot of packages
[09:09] <asmcos> is nothing,i need part packages
[09:10] <asmcos> I need know the compilation methods
[09:11] <asmcos> how many do ubuntu 10.10 have packages?
[09:14] <asmcos> apt-build support cross-compile ?
[09:15] <hrw> asmcos: you need to get used to xdeb
[09:15] <asmcos> hrw:thank you
[09:16] <persia> cross-compilation *can't* work for lots of the packages.
[09:16] <persia> And the number of packages that will fail to cross-compile only increases as people implement more built-time test suites (which we consider best practice)
[09:19] <asmcos> oh
[09:19] <persia> Note that everything there now is native-compiled.
[09:19] <asmcos> compile ubuntu on arm ?
[09:20] <persia> From what I understand, nobody has ever done large-scale extensive testing to ensure it is safe to mix native- and cross- compiled code.
[09:20] <persia> Yep.
[09:33] <vstehle> Hi ogra, I saw you released images for the AC100 (http://ac100.gudinna.com/); nice!
[09:34] <ogra> yep
[09:34] <ogra> well
[09:34] <ogra> kind of "images" :)
[09:34] <persia> And a personal release, really :)
[09:34] <ogra> its just a hacked up rootfs :)
[09:34] <ogra> yeah, spare time fun
[09:35] <vstehle> The kernel is at http://gitorious.org/ac100; how comes you don't have a branch in maverick kernel already ? :)
[09:35] <persia> maverick is frozen.
[09:35] <vstehle> persia: Oh, right, I forgot.
[09:35] <persia> For natty, needs someone to maintain it.
[09:36] <vstehle> On another topic, I found an interesting "side effect" of the netbook edition; bug #661003
[09:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661003 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Debconf dialogs are hidden (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661003
[09:37] <vstehle> Not very "user friendly" :)
[09:37] <persia> vstehle, What priority did you set the debconf prompts?
[09:37] <vstehle> persia: No idea; I'll check.
[09:38] <ogra> right, they neew to be high or critical to be shown iirc
[09:38] <ogra> vstehle, the kernel is 2.6.29 ... we wont pull that into the distro :)
[09:38] <persia> I hope not!
[09:39] <ogra> nor will there ever be "real" images unless someone pays or the community steps up to get them (but in a more proper way than "untar that to your SD")
[09:40] <persia> Mostly just needs one or two folk.  A kernel maintainer and someone to do image verification.
[09:40] <persia> Mind you, getting hosting on cdimage is a bit more opaque and complicated, but in theory.
[09:41] <ogra> well, first of all it would need a way to wrtie the kernel updates to the device somewhere :)
[09:41] <persia> One can't do that even after booting a proper kernel?
[09:41] <berco> hi there
[09:41] <ogra> nope
[09:41] <berco> trying to test #637947 SRU
[09:41] <ogra> you cant access the boot bits on the emmc
[09:42] <ogra> berco, a bit premature :)
[09:42] <hrw> ogra: use kexecboot
[09:42] <ogra> berco, the kernel was just accepted a few minuted ago ... and alsa-utils wasnt yet
[09:42] <berco> ogra: I just received the notification, thought I could test :)
[09:42] <ogra> give it time to build ;)
[09:42] <hrw> ogra: you put kexecboot kernel in flash, it boots, search on sd/flash for distro kernel and kexecs it
[09:42] <berco> so that's normal I get maverick-proposed not found
[09:42] <ogra> hrw, if kexec works, yeah
[09:43] <hrw> ogra: Zaurus guys do that for quite long time
[09:43] <berco> in sources.list?
[09:43] <ogra> hrw, we had a spec for that to replace u-boot about three releases ago
[09:43] <ogra> berco, yes, you need to enable it deliberately, -proposed is for update testing
[09:44] <ogra> berco, packages go to proposed first, only if they recieved enough testing they go to -updates
[09:44] <persia> It's been 90% done for a couple releases as well, just nobody ever really wanted it enough to finish it.
[09:44] <ogra> its kind of a staging archive
[09:47] <ogra> ugh
[09:47] <berco> ogra: but does it exist yet? I get 404 not found on it
[09:47] <persia> Probably not built yet.
[09:47] <ogra> so i was testing the sound fix for the last half hour ... suddenly hearing nothing anymore since i started today
[09:48] <persia> And you discovered that your headphones were unplugged?
[09:48] <ogra> .... and i just noticed my headset is plugged into my laptop
[09:48] <ogra> yeah
[09:48] <berco> lol
[09:48] <ogra> having team calls at night is NOT helpful !
[09:48] <persia> Heh.  +1 for the "is it plugged in" method of troubleshooting :)
[09:48] <ogra> ok, works all fine
[09:48]  * ogra calms down again
[09:48] <berco> ogra: persia: thanks, that's good news
[09:49] <ogra> now that really woke me up at least
[09:49] <ogra> berco, we're still missing one part
[09:49] <berco> ogra: what do you need?
[09:49] <ogra> the pulseaudio profile file isnt there yet
[09:50] <ogra> so currently HDMI isnt exposed in the UI
[09:50] <berco> has abduenas sent you anything?
[09:50] <ogra> not yet
[09:50] <vstehle> persia, I checked the debian/preinst of the concerned package, and all the 'db_input' I see there have a "critical" priority. Also, the window is presented, only it appears in the background, so I don't think this is related to the prio after all.
[09:50]  * ogra checks the longish mail thread again ... i probably missed it
[09:50] <berco> ogra: how can I take your changes to test on my side?
[09:51] <berco> I have abduenas file, I could probably share this with you too
[09:51] <persia> vstehle, Indeed, it's not.  I think it's related to maxiumus or whatever replaced it.
[09:51] <ogra> berco, you would need to compile alsa-utils and the kernel from the source package ... better just wait
[09:51] <persia> ogra, You understand these WM oddities better than I: any ideas?
[09:51] <hrw> ogra: switch to using BT headsets for calls
[09:51] <ogra> persia, might be a timestamp issue
[09:52] <vstehle> ogra, persia, you know, the message actually _is_ presented. Its window is just "below" the software center, I think...
[09:52] <ogra> persia, i havent done much with WMs for the last 1.5 years but i think metacity introduced a timestamp thing, would probably be a question for mvo if sw-center has "always on top" set or some such
[09:53] <ogra> that might override the timestamp
[09:53] <ogra> vstehle, in any case file a bug against sw-center
[09:53] <persia> ogra, timestamp? for wnck-placement stuff?  (and I haven't done anything with WMs in >15 years, so you're closer)
[09:53] <ogra> (mvo might reassign it to debconf-gkt or so)
[09:53] <ogra> *gtk
[09:53] <persia> 661003 is definitely the right bug.
[09:53] <persia> But yeah, probably needs mvo.
[09:53] <ogra> ah, alsready there
[09:54] <vstehle> ogra, yes
[09:54] <ogra> bug 661003
[09:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661003 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Debconf dialogs are hidden (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661003
[09:54] <ogra> heh, you're to fast vstehle :)
[09:54] <vstehle> ogra, the only problem with this is that it is "user unfriendly" :)
[09:54] <persia> vstehle, That's a bug :)
[09:54] <ogra> yes, agreed
[09:57] <ogra> hmpf
[09:58] <berco> ogra: persia: just updated #637947 with proposed profile
[09:58] <ogra> my alsa-utils fix can need some improvement
[09:58] <berco> can you test if HDMI works?
[09:58] <ogra> damned
[09:59] <ogra> no biggie, but alsactl init is only actually needed if no state file exists (it does no harm if its run when it exists but is a useless extra call)
[10:00] <persia> So it's only needed the first time?
[10:00] <ogra> yes
[10:01] <ogra> i'll update the fix with a check for the state file i think
[10:01] <ogra> i mean i could as well leave it in ... the mixer volumes are properly restored etc
[10:01] <ogra> but its not "clean"
[10:18] <ogra> berco, your pulseaudio.rules wont work
[10:44] <berco> what's wrong with this file? I just uploaded the file from our audio team
[10:47] <ogra> berco, it will only work on blaze ;)
[11:23] <berco> ogra: agree.
[11:25] <berco> is that possible to "or" in the ATTRS{id} field of the rules file? I guess the conf file can apply to both blaze and panda boards
[11:28] <devilhorns> ogra, !! (just felt like shouting your name) :P
[11:28] <ogra> devilhorns, !!!
[11:29] <devilhorns> hehehe
[11:30] <ogra> berco, either that or switch inside the conf and use something else in rules
[11:30] <ogra> i'll have to inspect that
[11:32] <ogra> berco, once the basics are in i'll look at pulse (unless someone beats me to it)
[14:17] <rsalveti> morning
[14:22] <asmcos> hi all
[14:24] <persia> hey asmcos
[14:24] <persia> Were you able to get maverick running on your 3530?
[14:24] <asmcos> hi persia
[14:26] <asmcos> i should try
[14:26] <asmcos> i want to compile source code
[14:26] <persia> OK.  Any code in particular?
[14:29] <asmcos> i see
[14:30] <asmcos> i need a example
[14:31] <persia> The "hello" package is the classic example.
[14:31] <asmcos> yeah
[14:31] <persia> So, apt-get source hello should get you the source.
[14:31] <persia> But I still think you want to install 10.10 on your 3530 before you proceed.
[14:32] <asmcos> debuild -nc -us
[14:33] <persia> You could.  I'd probably do `debuild -b -us -uc`
[14:34] <asmcos> ok
[14:35] <asmcos> i hope do a command to compile some packages ,not a package
[14:35] <asmcos> so i use apt-build world
[14:43] <persia> What do you expect `apt-build world` to do?
[14:43] <ogra_ac> cleanup my house !
[14:44] <ogra_ac> and do the dishes indeed :)
[14:49] <rsalveti> vstehle: ogra_ac: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release
[14:49] <rsalveti> awesome!
[14:49] <rsalveti> let me try with the ti icon
[14:50] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, well, enable universe/multiverse first
[14:50] <rsalveti> true
[14:51]  * ogra_ac will upload the fix for that fater the call
[14:54] <ogra_ac> argh
[14:55] <ogra_ac> no ndec, damned
[14:55] <ogra_ac> his -config package will completely break audio
[14:56] <ogra_ac> it collides with the fix thats in the archive nw
[14:56] <ogra_ac> *now
[15:00] <gmdq> hello, after writing the image (ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall wiki) EXT4-fs (sdc2): bad geometry
[15:01] <gmdq> how extract it manually
[15:03] <vstehle> rsalveti, you will need to enable universe/multiverse
[15:03] <ogra_ac> vstehle, are yu near ndec ? we're all waiting for the chair ...
[15:03] <vstehle> ogra_ac, I'll got get him :)
[15:04] <rsalveti> vstehle: just did that, will now try with the icon
[15:04] <ogra_ac> vstehle, thanks :)
[15:04] <lag> sebjan_: Is there a meeting today?
[15:04] <ogra_ac> lag, patience is golden
[15:04]  * lag just hung up
[15:05] <vstehle> He's back
[15:05] <ogra_ac> good
[15:05] <lag> Do you mean "patience is a virtue"
[15:05] <persia> yes
[15:10] <persia> Unapproved packages in maverick-proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1
[15:48] <rsalveti> vstehle: ogra: interesting: Total size: 80.9GB to download, 80.9GB when installed
[15:48] <rsalveti> hehe
[15:48] <rsalveti> using ubuntu-omap4-extras
[15:50] <persia> Some blueprints links: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~davidm/+specs?searchtext=%27-n-%27 is about as close as I can figure out how to find the ones davidm is looking at.
[15:51] <persia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n is the set that shall be discussed at UDS.
[15:52] <davidm> http://blogs.arm.com/software-enablement/going-maverick-ubuntu-10-10-for-arm/
[16:00] <rsalveti> ndec: these are the x-loader changes we made for panda: http://gitorious.org/~rsalveti/pandaboard/rsalveti-x-loader/commits/omap4_panda_es2.1
[16:01] <rsalveti> would be nice to check this performance difference we have on blaze
[16:01] <ndec> rsalveti: thanks. we will look into this. vstehle, see ^^^
[16:03] <ndec> rsalveti: where is the branch for the MLO for blaze?
[16:03] <rsalveti> ndec: I'm using the same one for panda and blaze
[16:03] <rsalveti> just build it for sdp4430
[16:03] <ndec> rsalveti: ok.
[16:04] <ndec> rsalveti: looks like we don't have this one for blaze: http://gitorious.org/~rsalveti/pandaboard/rsalveti-x-loader/commit/71d0d1faf3c40a2c394c73869fc6030ca56b3d12
[16:04] <rsalveti> ndec: yup
[16:05] <rsalveti> because no one was complaining of sync lost with it
[16:06] <rsalveti> but let me check what clocks are being used for blaze...
[16:08] <rsalveti> ndec: we don't need this patch for blaze because it was already with these values
[16:08] <rsalveti> from sebjan_ commit it seems it was changed at panda because of the 6 layers board
[16:09] <ndec> rsalveti: right
[16:19] <gmdq> how extract preinstalled img with netbook ubuntu to directory ?
[16:21] <ogra_ac> you mean to SD card ?
[16:22] <ogra_ac> or do you want to extract the content ?
[16:22] <gmdq> extract content
[16:23] <ogra_ac> well, easiest is surely to extract to SD and then just grab stuff from the second partition
[16:23] <gmdq> with sh -c 'zcat . ...' - EXT4-fs (sdc2): bad geometry
[16:23] <ogra_ac> alternatively you can gunzip and loop mount
[16:23] <GrueMaster> Actually, it is easier to mount the partition.
[16:23] <ogra_ac> ext4 fs ?
[16:24] <gmdq> yep
[16:24] <ogra_ac> the image doesnt contain any ext4
[16:24] <ogra_ac> only vfat and ext3 filesystems
[16:24] <gmdq> hm, i use ext4 driver for ext2 and ext3
[16:24] <ogra_ac> how exactly did your command look like ?
[16:24] <GrueMaster> gmdq: First run "gunzip < <image.gz> > <image>"
[16:24] <GrueMaster> To uncompress it.
[16:24] <ogra_ac> did you extract to a filesystem instead of a disk ?
[16:24] <gmdq> i know
[16:25] <GrueMaster> Then type "file <image>" to determine partition start block.
[16:25] <gmdq> one second
[16:25] <GrueMaster> To mount it, type "mount <image> <mount point> -o loop,offset=$((512*<start block>))"
[16:26] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: that should be in the wiki page
[16:26] <GrueMaster> example:  sudo mount maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img mnt/ -o loop,offset=$((512*63))
[16:26] <GrueMaster> I think it is, just can't remember *which* wiki page.
[16:26] <rsalveti> hehe
[16:26]  * rsalveti out for lunch
[16:27] <gmdq> GrueMaster: thx
[16:27] <GrueMaster> The above example is for the boot partition.
[16:46] <cpearson> GrueMaster: I tried booting from the the image and I get a CRC error on the Kernel.
[16:47] <GrueMaster> Compare md5sums with the md5sums file in the release directory.  If they match, write /dev/zero to your sd card & reflash the image.
[16:48]  * GrueMaster out for an hour.  Driving to Portland.
[17:35] <oli44> hello!
[17:39] <ndec> ogra: GrueMaster: do you know where the cdimage.ubuntu.com server is located? is it UK or US?
[17:39] <ogra_ac> UK
[17:42] <ogra_ac> london ...
[17:43] <ogra_ac> want the address ?
[17:45] <armin76> yes
[17:45] <armin76> :D
[17:54] <ndec> ogra: thanks! no need for the address!
[17:54] <ogra_ac> :)
[17:54] <ndec> ogra: the 'ports' are mirrored on ubuntu standard mirros. I am talking about cdimage mirror, not archive. any reason?
[17:54] <ogra_ac> nothing is mirrored
[17:55] <ogra_ac> neither cdimage.u.c nor ports.u.c
[17:55] <ogra_ac> (probably worth putting up an UDS spec about that ;) )
[17:56] <ndec> ogra: how about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[17:56] <ogra_ac> just space issues, i think the reason is to not put off mirror admins by wasting their space for rather rarely used images
[17:56] <ndec> ogra: oh this is r.u.c, right?
[17:56] <ogra_ac> yep
[18:09] <armin76> ogra_ac: what bogomips do you have on the ac100?
[18:10] <ogra_ac> 2x ~2000
[18:12] <armin76> k, 1998 && 1992 on the harmony board
[18:12] <armin76> wonder why they're different
[18:12] <ogra_ac> how are they different ?
[18:12] <ogra_ac> oh, you mean between the cpus ?
[18:13] <armin76> yep
[18:13] <ogra_ac> same here
[18:13] <ogra_ac> no idea though, probably one has the gpu directly attached
[18:19] <persia> Um, there are some cdimage mirrors, but most of them aren't very complete.
[18:24] <oli44> hello, channel!
[18:25] <oli44> this is my first time here, gving a try to an omap board named igep
[18:26] <ogra_ac> your mileage may vary with the igep2
[18:27] <ogra_ac> there are still some patches missing to make the images properly work on them
[18:27] <oli44> ok
[18:27] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: latest update should have most of the fixes
[18:27] <ogra_ac> ah, k
[18:27] <oli44> actually , i purchased it with a working ubuntu 9.04 SD
[18:27] <ogra_ac> then i'm not up to date, rsalveti is your man ;)
[18:27] <rsalveti> hm, actually some of them are not yet released, just at the repo
[18:27] <rsalveti> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=summary
[18:29] <oli44> i'd like to upgrade to the LTS: if i add a line such as deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports lucid main multiverse universe then i dist-upgrade, that sould do the trick?
[18:29] <ogra_ac> no, use do-release-upgrade
[18:29] <ogra_ac> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[18:32] <oli44> yeah, already tried it but without adding the lucid line
[18:33] <oli44> back in a few minutes
[18:33] <oli44> hopefully for cheers
[18:42] <oli44> hmm, says no new release found
[19:19] <sunnydrake> hi can anyone post links on rootfs (preferably busybox) images?
[19:20] <sunnydrake> and pxa270 arm images?
[19:20] <sunnydrake> kernel
[19:20] <ogra_ac> we only have preinstalled omap3/4 and live dove images
[19:20] <ogra_ac> for other rootfses see the channel topic
[19:21] <sunnydrake> thnx one more question kernelimage will output something without rootfs?
[19:21] <sunnydrake> not on serial..via display
[19:21] <ogra_ac> kernel is up to you, we dont have a kernel for that HW
[19:22] <sunnydrake> i compiled kernel for arm but dunno if it works.. currently it jsut blank via haret boot
[19:59] <cpearson> I just ran the updater for the first time on a clean image today for the Pandaboard build... All of the updates show as being 704MB, when downloading it says 2MB to download
[20:01] <rsalveti> cpearson: yeah, that's weird, as I said in the morning, when getting packages from ppa it showed me 80.9GB to download
[20:02] <rsalveti> hehe
[20:02] <rsalveti> probably a bug somewhere
[20:03] <cpearson> someone is dividing by close to zero eh?
[20:08] <rsalveti> hehe, probably something like that
[20:10] <rsalveti> also, when installing ubuntu-omap4-extras the license is set as unknown
[20:10] <rsalveti> it should be proprietary or oss/proprietary, something like that
[20:13] <oli44> hello
[20:14] <oli44> just failed a release upgrade, machine is stuck
[20:14] <oli44> libc-bin broke libc6 package
[20:16] <oli44> now everythin segfaults
[20:16] <oli44> even cat or cd
[20:16] <rsalveti> ouch
[20:16] <oli44> not cd
[20:16] <oli44> bug ls
[20:17] <oli44> is it recoverable?
[20:17] <rsalveti> oli44: which release did you use as base when upgrading?
[20:22] <GrueMaster> And what platform?
[20:23] <oli44> jaunty on omap (igep, beagle board like)
[21:01] <rsalveti> ok, seems at least sgx, wifi and bt are working fine from ppa
[21:22] <ndec> rsalveti: this is cool!
[21:22] <ndec> rsalveti: http://trailers.apple.com/ to test video from firefox, using GST plugins
[21:23] <rsalveti> cool, will check gst
[21:23] <GrueMaster> mpoirier: Did you want to submit a track on alsa soc for UDS?
[21:23] <rsalveti> ndec: should it work with 720p and 1080p?
[21:24] <ndec> rsalveti: yes
[21:24] <rsalveti> nice
[21:25] <ndec> rsalveti: for such resolution you need to have a full hd monitor, if you use a standard monitor, you need to play full screen, we currently have a bug when downscaling too much
[21:25] <mpoirier> GrueMaster: to explain how the thing work in the kernel ?
[21:26] <GrueMaster> More of what can be done in the kernel drivers to improve userspace interaction.
[21:26] <GrueMaster> Have you gotten any detailed info on UCM?
[21:28] <mpoirier> My quest was related to how the ABE, PDM and FE worked together - I did not looked into UCM specifically
[21:28] <mpoirier> I got my information on the former.
[21:29] <mpoirier> I'm still thinking about the "to improve userspace interaction"...
[21:29] <rsalveti> ndec: yeah, saw that bug while at ti
[21:31] <mpoirier> GrueMaster: I don't see how that interaction could be improve - the current implementation is the ultimate in terms of flexibilty.
[21:31] <mpoirier> GrueMaster: unless you have ideas.
[21:35] <rsalveti> ndec: awesome, trailers.apple.com works nicely :-)
[21:37] <ndec> rsalveti: eheh... and the cool thing is the CPU load ;-)
[21:37] <rsalveti> yeah, around 15%
[21:54] <mpoirier> GrueMaster: I think we could fix our other omap3 boards using the same solution that was implemented to fix panda.  After all, the all export a distinct string in /proc/asound/cards.