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* vish catches up with artwork mailing list..10:12
vishthorwil¦ did you reply to kofi ?10:20
vishi think i may have stopped you back then :(10:20
thorwilvish: no, didn't. don't worry about people who don't show initiative too much ;)11:05
vish:)11:05
thorwildoctormo: heh, while the list might be full of people who have no idea who you are, i often read your posts via planet ubuntu and i took notice of groundcontrol11:59
doctormothorwil: Hey!14:07
doctormothorwil: I've been battling IRC to get back online to talk to you some more about the website idea.14:08
thorwildoctormo: i'm here now, but about to disappear soon, for a bit14:10
doctormoWhat is your timezone?14:10
thorwilCEST/Berlin, currently GMT+214:12
doctormothorwil: I'm GMT-5, so we'll be out by about 7 hours, :-/ but not impossible.14:13
doctormoQuickly though, I fancy django, I have code, it's python, I like it. your thoughts?14:14
thorwildoctormo: who doe,  decides14:14
doctormothorwil: And if 5 people doeth on their tod?14:15
thorwildoctormo: in the python realm, pylons/turbogears are nice for making it easy to select components and for only including what you need14:15
thorwildoctormo: tod?14:16
thorwilah, it means alone, on their own, apparently14:17
doctormothorwil: increasing English comprehension since 1984 ;-)14:18
thorwilheh14:18
doctormoSo about this kind of thing, what does django not do that pylons can help with?14:18
doctormo(I'm also reading up on them both too)14:19
thorwilit's rather that django might do a bit more. the pylons stuff is based on wsgi from the get go, so you have components sitting right on that standard14:20
thorwilwhere django has it's own approach to components, afaik14:21
vishthorwil¦ what are you guys talking about? design hub?14:22
thorwilit's my a suspicion that django is more rigid and gets in your way once you treat offside usual CMS paths14:23
doctormohttp://www.djangopony.com/14:23
thorwilvish: our take on it, yes14:23
vishah..14:23
vishk.. I will really read the full mailing list, now! ;)14:24
vishi mean the backlog.14:24
doctormothorwil: So, reading up it seems that if we're making a website which is mostly publishing, then djanog makes a lot of sense.14:24
thorwilwho could argue with a pink pony!?14:24
vishdoctormo¦ was that by hbons or lapo by any chance?14:24
vishthey seem to have a recent pony fetish ;p14:24
thorwildoctormo: i don't doubt that django will be appropriate, but still wonder if other approaches wouldn't be better in the long run14:25
doctormoBut if we're making a lot of custom models and doing a lot of things out of ORM/MVC then pylons would work better in the long run.14:25
thorwildoctormo: but in any case, best might be to design this thing first, before turning to implementation14:25
doctormoWe have AlchemySQL in pylons, but the rather weak db ORM in django, (I don't like that ORM btw)14:26
doctormothorwil: You wanted to discus frameworks first.14:26
thorwildoctormo: that's a misunderstanding.14:27
thorwilbut it doesn't hurt to see what's out there and where we have experience14:28
thorwilgone for a bit, bbl14:28
thorwili think nothing i didn't mention already, but http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/10/15/web-frameworks/17:03
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