[10:12] * vish catches up with artwork mailing list.. [10:20] thorwil¦ did you reply to kofi ? [10:20] i think i may have stopped you back then :( [11:05] vish: no, didn't. don't worry about people who don't show initiative too much ;) [11:05] :) [11:59] doctormo: heh, while the list might be full of people who have no idea who you are, i often read your posts via planet ubuntu and i took notice of groundcontrol [14:07] thorwil: Hey! [14:08] thorwil: I've been battling IRC to get back online to talk to you some more about the website idea. [14:10] doctormo: i'm here now, but about to disappear soon, for a bit [14:10] What is your timezone? [14:12] CEST/Berlin, currently GMT+2 [14:13] thorwil: I'm GMT-5, so we'll be out by about 7 hours, :-/ but not impossible. [14:14] Quickly though, I fancy django, I have code, it's python, I like it. your thoughts? [14:14] doctormo: who doe, decides [14:15] thorwil: And if 5 people doeth on their tod? [14:15] doctormo: in the python realm, pylons/turbogears are nice for making it easy to select components and for only including what you need [14:16] doctormo: tod? [14:17] ah, it means alone, on their own, apparently [14:18] thorwil: increasing English comprehension since 1984 ;-) [14:18] heh [14:18] So about this kind of thing, what does django not do that pylons can help with? [14:19] (I'm also reading up on them both too) [14:20] it's rather that django might do a bit more. the pylons stuff is based on wsgi from the get go, so you have components sitting right on that standard [14:21] where django has it's own approach to components, afaik [14:22] thorwil¦ what are you guys talking about? design hub? [14:23] it's my a suspicion that django is more rigid and gets in your way once you treat offside usual CMS paths [14:23] http://www.djangopony.com/ [14:23] vish: our take on it, yes [14:23] ah.. [14:24] k.. I will really read the full mailing list, now! ;) [14:24] i mean the backlog. [14:24] thorwil: So, reading up it seems that if we're making a website which is mostly publishing, then djanog makes a lot of sense. [14:24] who could argue with a pink pony!? [14:24] doctormo¦ was that by hbons or lapo by any chance? [14:24] they seem to have a recent pony fetish ;p [14:25] doctormo: i don't doubt that django will be appropriate, but still wonder if other approaches wouldn't be better in the long run [14:25] But if we're making a lot of custom models and doing a lot of things out of ORM/MVC then pylons would work better in the long run. [14:25] doctormo: but in any case, best might be to design this thing first, before turning to implementation [14:26] We have AlchemySQL in pylons, but the rather weak db ORM in django, (I don't like that ORM btw) [14:26] thorwil: You wanted to discus frameworks first. [14:27] doctormo: that's a misunderstanding. [14:28] but it doesn't hurt to see what's out there and where we have experience [14:28] gone for a bit, bbl [17:03] i think nothing i didn't mention already, but http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/10/15/web-frameworks/ === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [22:28] Hello! [22:28] I was just offered $100,000 from Pepsi plus $10,000 from other contributors and I am donating ALL of the money back to the arts and public schools! I just need votes! I have to hit 10,000 votes in order for them to donate, so please assist me in giving back to the arts. In addition I will donate $1 of my own money for every vote I receive. Society needs to come together and MAXIMIZE the votes! Let's get this thing viral! We can [22:28] www,arttakesmiami.com/ryanpaulsimmons [22:29] www.arttakesmiami.com/ryanpaulsimmons