[10:12]  * vish catches up with artwork mailing list..
[10:20] <vish> thorwil¦ did you reply to kofi ?
[10:20] <vish> i think i may have stopped you back then :(
[11:05] <thorwil> vish: no, didn't. don't worry about people who don't show initiative too much ;)
[11:05] <vish> :)
[11:59] <thorwil> doctormo: heh, while the list might be full of people who have no idea who you are, i often read your posts via planet ubuntu and i took notice of groundcontrol
[14:07] <doctormo> thorwil: Hey!
[14:08] <doctormo> thorwil: I've been battling IRC to get back online to talk to you some more about the website idea.
[14:10] <thorwil> doctormo: i'm here now, but about to disappear soon, for a bit
[14:10] <doctormo> What is your timezone?
[14:12] <thorwil> CEST/Berlin, currently GMT+2
[14:13] <doctormo> thorwil: I'm GMT-5, so we'll be out by about 7 hours, :-/ but not impossible.
[14:14] <doctormo> Quickly though, I fancy django, I have code, it's python, I like it. your thoughts?
[14:14] <thorwil> doctormo: who doe,  decides
[14:15] <doctormo> thorwil: And if 5 people doeth on their tod?
[14:15] <thorwil> doctormo: in the python realm, pylons/turbogears are nice for making it easy to select components and for only including what you need
[14:16] <thorwil> doctormo: tod?
[14:17] <thorwil> ah, it means alone, on their own, apparently
[14:18] <doctormo> thorwil: increasing English comprehension since 1984 ;-)
[14:18] <thorwil> heh
[14:18] <doctormo> So about this kind of thing, what does django not do that pylons can help with?
[14:19] <doctormo> (I'm also reading up on them both too)
[14:20] <thorwil> it's rather that django might do a bit more. the pylons stuff is based on wsgi from the get go, so you have components sitting right on that standard
[14:21] <thorwil> where django has it's own approach to components, afaik
[14:22] <vish> thorwil¦ what are you guys talking about? design hub?
[14:23] <thorwil> it's my a suspicion that django is more rigid and gets in your way once you treat offside usual CMS paths
[14:23] <doctormo> http://www.djangopony.com/
[14:23] <thorwil> vish: our take on it, yes
[14:23] <vish> ah..
[14:24] <vish> k.. I will really read the full mailing list, now! ;)
[14:24] <vish> i mean the backlog.
[14:24] <doctormo> thorwil: So, reading up it seems that if we're making a website which is mostly publishing, then djanog makes a lot of sense.
[14:24] <thorwil> who could argue with a pink pony!?
[14:24] <vish> doctormo¦ was that by hbons or lapo by any chance?
[14:24] <vish> they seem to have a recent pony fetish ;p
[14:25] <thorwil> doctormo: i don't doubt that django will be appropriate, but still wonder if other approaches wouldn't be better in the long run
[14:25] <doctormo> But if we're making a lot of custom models and doing a lot of things out of ORM/MVC then pylons would work better in the long run.
[14:25] <thorwil> doctormo: but in any case, best might be to design this thing first, before turning to implementation
[14:26] <doctormo> We have AlchemySQL in pylons, but the rather weak db ORM in django, (I don't like that ORM btw)
[14:26] <doctormo> thorwil: You wanted to discus frameworks first.
[14:27] <thorwil> doctormo: that's a misunderstanding.
[14:28] <thorwil> but it doesn't hurt to see what's out there and where we have experience
[14:28] <thorwil> gone for a bit, bbl
[17:03] <thorwil> i think nothing i didn't mention already, but http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/10/15/web-frameworks/
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