[00:55] <johnny77> I had freemind installed when I upgraded to Ubuntu netbook 10.10 Now I can't get it to load. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[00:56] <Silver_Fox_> alt+f2 then submit freemind
[00:56] <Silver_Fox_> *guess
[00:56] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[01:10] <IdleOne> johnny77: try running freemind from terminal and see what it says
[01:11] <johnny77> I tried that but it just hung and never said anything. I try again.
[01:18] <johnny77> It's just hanging... Terminal is not saying anything, but freemind is still trying to load or locked up.
[01:18] <Silver_Fox_> Have you tried a system restart ?
[01:21] <johnny77> like turn off the computer and boot it back up? Yes.
[01:23] <stlsaint> howdy ho!!
[01:36] <wkivel> i got a deskjet d1660 printer that will not print how do i fix this?
[01:43] <johnny77> freemind is still loading. any suggestions?
[01:44] <stlsaint> freemind?
[01:44] <Silver_Fox_> re-install freemind possibly, just a guess. Perhaps someone else will have a better idea
[01:45] <seidos> i need to learn how to ask the package manager information about who maintains a package from cli.  any ideas?
[01:45] <stlsaint> apt-cache ? or apt-find ?
[01:45] <stlsaint> somethign with apt :D
[01:51] <aveilleux> seidos: Aptitude probably has that. Just run sudo aptitude.
[01:52] <seidos> aveilleux, ah, yeah.  should've just done that before asking.
[01:54] <seidos> well apt-cache doesn't really have the information i was looking for.
[01:54] <seidos> aptitude was deprecated in maverick when i tried it a few days ago
[01:56] <aveilleux> seidos: Whoever thought it was a good idea to get rid of Aptitude needs to be dragged out back and flogged
[01:57] <seidos> should i really learn a tool that didn't even make it to maverick?  :/
[01:57] <seidos> i'm going to try fedora 13 for the heck of it
[01:57] <aveilleux> seidos: What are you talking about? It's there. It comes in the default install still, despite rumors.
[01:58] <seidos> aveilleux, i could only run maverick from live usb.  wouldn't install on my notebook
[01:58] <seidos> and actually, for some reason the live usb stopped working O_o
[01:59] <aveilleux> seidos: My point still stands, aptitude is still included in Maverick, regardless of rumors of its removal
[02:01] <seidos> aveilleux, i'm skeptical.  you saw it for yourself?
[02:01] <aveilleux> seidos: I deploy it as a part of my custom distro. It comes on both the alternate and desktop CDs.
[02:02] <seidos> acknowledged
[02:13] <bigtreec> Anyone know how to change the icons in the "launch pad" on the left hand side in ubuntu 10.10 Netbook version?
[02:13] <stlsaint> nope, sorry
[02:14] <johnny77> bigtreec: if you right-click on one there is a remove option. If you want to add one load the program right-click there is an option to add.
[02:19] <bigtreec> johnny77: Yes. Thanks. I know how to remove the icon. But don't know how to add one. Only can open the related application then it shows up in the launchpad...
[02:19] <johnny77> bigtreec: also if you right-click on files & folders or applications it brings up a very useful submenu
[02:22] <bigtreec> Ah...I got it! Just as you mentioned(sorry I misunderstanding the detail): Load the app->right click->"keep in launcher"...it works...thanks a lot!
[02:24] <johnny77> bigtreec: no problem.
[03:26] <johnny77> I'm having trouble loading freemind since I've upgraded to 10.10 netbook. It's a java based program if that helps any. It never finishes loading.
[03:27] <seidos> johnny77, the only think i can think to do is sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:27] <seidos> i can't run this python program:  https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator-3.9.2.tar.bz2 any ideas?
[03:28] <johnny77> seidos: ok, trying it.
[03:30] <gonzolively> Not really that much of a "beginner"...in fact I have been running Linux for the past 3 or more years...however something that has been missing (to me atleast) since jaunty jackalope is the ability to "throw" windows into other work spaces simply by taking the window and dragging it quickly to the adjacent space
[03:30] <gonzolively> anyone know how to get this feature back in 10.10?
[03:30] <gonzolively> Thanks in advance
[03:33] <seidos> gonzolively, i think you need to enable desktop effects for that (compiz)
[03:34] <gonzolively> ok cool, i hit alt + F2, nothing really happened after typing "compiz"
[03:34] <gonzolively> i'll look around
[03:35] <aveilleux> gonzolively: Have yo enabled compositing in System > Preferences > Appearance? (Extra level)
[03:35] <gonzolively> yeah, that didn't do it
[03:35] <gonzolively> i tried that yesterday upon installing
[03:35] <gonzolively> its' probably burried in all of the GUI
[03:35] <gonzolively> somewhere
[03:35] <aveilleux> gonzolively: Have you installed the compizconfig-manager?
[03:36] <gonzolively> let me check synaptic, i did yesterday, thought i had pretty much every "compiz" file
[03:36] <gonzolively> cool thanks man, apparently i didn't!
[03:37] <aveilleux> gonzolively: I don't know if that'll solve your problem, but it's the most powerful tool for managing Compiz effects
[03:37] <gonzolively> ok cool, yeah i'll play around with it and see what i can do
[03:46] <johnny77> is there a way to input file name and recieve location?
[03:47] <aveilleux> johnny77: You mean search for a file?
[03:48] <aveilleux> johnny77: Open Nautilus, browse to /, ctrl+f, type file name
[03:49] <johnny77> aveilleux: Thank you. That finds it, but now I need it's path.
[03:49] <aveilleux> johnny77: right-click on the file and click Properties
[03:54] <johnny77> I really started liking Ubuntu, but now my ignorance is getting frustrating.
[03:54] <johnny77> And I really don't like the new Unity in netbook.
[03:55] <johnny77> sorry needed to vent a bit.
[03:55] <aveilleux> johnny77: I rarely recommend UNR to people. I really dislike the interface overall.
[03:55] <johnny77> yes, but it's part of the Ubuntu 10.10 netbook.
[03:56] <aveilleux> johnny77: I usually tell people to use Desktop or MDU :P
[03:57] <johnny77> aveilleux: It's also frustrating not knowing the acronyms :)
[03:57] <aveilleux> johnny77: Not surprising you don't know that one, it's my personal project. Minimal Desktop for Ubuntu.
[03:58] <johnny77> aveilleux: I was ok with 10.4, but not working well with 10.10. I need freemind, but I can't get it to work. Would switching to Desktop version help?
[03:59] <aveilleux> johnny77: If the program itself doesn't work, then probably not. It's the same kernel underneath. (Also it's 10.04. THe digits are significant)
[04:00] <johnny77> If I uninstall a program that is not working only to reinstall it, should I reboot before reinstalling?
[04:00] <aveilleux> johnny77: You don't generally need to, no.
[04:00] <johnny77> Aveilleux: yeah, i knew it was 10.04... my typo.
[04:02] <johnny77> Would it make a difference if I tried to go to the website and download it?
[04:03] <aveilleux> johnny77: It might, it might not. It depends on which version is in the repositories and if there is a newer version available.
[04:04] <johnny77> aveilleux: if it's the same version?
[04:04] <aveilleux> johnny77: Then it won't make a difference.
[04:06] <seidos> i can't run this python program:  https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator-3.9.2.tar.bz2  i get this error:  http://pastebin.org/190571 any ideas?
[04:09] <johnny77> aveilleux: I tried to install freemind's latest "stable" release which is a release before the one that was not working and it gave me this error: Dependency is not satisfiable: librelaxng-datatype-java
[04:10] <aveilleux> johnny77: Well, according to the Debian documentation, librelaxng-datatype-java is going to disappear, so it's not in the repositories
[04:11] <johnny77> aveilleux: ok, thank you.
[04:25] <seidos> i don't get how unetbootin appears to have access to /root without running it with sudo privileges
[04:29] <aveilleux> seidos: Getting access to /root and actually being able to do anything there are two different thinghs
[04:29] <aveilleux> things*
[04:29] <seidos> aveilleux, interesting
[04:30] <aveilleux> seidos: You should run UNetBootIn as root anyway....
[04:30] <seidos> aveilleux, so then as long as the program is installed, and the programmer is skilled enough, root access can be acquired?
[04:30] <seidos> freaky
[04:31] <seidos> but...reasonable
[04:31] <seidos> aveilleux, why?
[04:31] <aveilleux> seidos: since it performs filesystem-level operations on the drive
[04:33] <seidos> aveilleux, but it seems to have done so successfully.  it must acquire root privileges already O_o
[04:34] <aveilleux> seidos: Did you do anything involving sudo or gksudo in the last ten minutes? Because you might have the authentication period still active,.
[04:35] <seidos> i did sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[04:35] <seidos> but when i ran unetbootin, didn't use sudo
[04:36] <seidos> well, i got it from repositories, should be safe O_o
[04:36] <aveilleux> seidos: UNetBootIn is smart enough to ask for root privileges when it needs it, and since you ran sudo it was able to automatically get them
[04:36] <seidos> aveilleux, interesting
[04:36] <aveilleux> seidos: Try running sudo pwd, then wait a bit, then run sudo ls
[04:36] <aveilleux> The second command shouldn't ask for a password
[04:37] <seidos> actually the first command didn't ask for a password either
[04:38] <aveilleux> seidos: Because your sudo authentication period still hadn't ended
[04:38] <seidos> aveilleux, that would be my guess.  but...is it...
[04:38] <GabrielYYZ> i reinstalled ubuntu, didn't remember about PGP key and now i'm lost as to how i'm supposed to get it back/revoke it/something else -- anyone willing to help?
[04:39] <GabrielYYZ> also, evening everyone
[04:39] <aveilleux> seidos: You can test and make sure your authentication ends properly by logging out and logging back in, which should reset your sudo authentication
[04:39] <seidos> aveilleux, maybe now is a good time to reboot and try the live usb
[04:40] <aveilleux> GabrielYYZ: You should revoke your key if you forgot to save the private key, because you're not going to be able to recover the private key.
[04:40] <aveilleux> GabrielYYZ: I forget how to do that though...
[04:40] <nhandler> GabrielYYZ: So you didn't have a revocation certificate generated already and you now no longer have the private key?
[04:40] <GabrielYYZ> aveilleux thanks, i assumed that was the right way to go
[04:41] <GabrielYYZ> and no, don't have a revocation cert
[04:41] <GabrielYYZ> and the private key perished when i reinstalled
[04:41] <GabrielYYZ> i remembered about saving everything else, except the key
[04:41] <nhandler> GabrielYYZ: Well, not much youcan do then. Post somewhere that you no longer have access to that old key, and the new key id (you will want to generate a new one)
[04:42] <nhandler> Then, be sure to generate a revocation certificate and store it in a safe place (hard printed copy, copy on flash drive in safe location, etc)
[04:42] <GabrielYYZ> where would be a good place to notify the change?
[04:42] <nhandler> GabrielYYZ: On your blog/website (if you have one)
[04:43] <GabrielYYZ> nope, don't blog and don't have a website >.<
[04:44] <nhandler> GabrielYYZ: What were you using the key for? And had anyone signed it?
[04:45] <GabrielYYZ> used it for launchpad, to sign the ubuntu code of conduct and no one signed it
[04:46] <GabrielYYZ> i'm guessing i should redo the code of conduct (if that's possible)
[04:46] <nhandler> GabrielYYZ: Yeah, resign the CoC if it will let you
[04:48] <GabrielYYZ> i could deactivate my key and signature on launchpad but that doesn't remove it from my profile
[04:50] <GabrielYYZ> 1 last question before i go redo the whole process again (getting the revocation certificate included)
[04:51] <GabrielYYZ> the private key and the revocation certificate, would it be wise to save them in the same cd/whatever
[04:54] <seidos> is the menu this guy is using gnome-do?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D4b5y7MZVI
[05:19] <seidos> i can't play ogv files (made from cheese) in totem.  there is no error message, and running from a terminal provides no information
[05:19] <seidos> i thought it was related to my audio problems, but avis play okay
[05:22] <aveilleux> seisos: Do they play in VLC?
[05:23] <ajmorris> lmao tronyx you slut, you there?
[06:11] <TallGuy> Heeeelpppp meeee
[06:11] <TallGuy> :)
[06:11] <AbhiJit> assssskkkkkkk ussssssssss
[06:11] <TallGuy> deal
[06:11] <TallGuy> my ubuntu installation won't progress at the create user id screen, the forward button is greyed out, and i'm sure i'm missing something really stupid as to why that is
[06:12] <AbhiJit> :)
[06:12] <TallGuy> and i'm defintely an ubuntu n00b
[06:12] <TallGuy> trying it out on a backup pc, trying to overwrite the windows install on the partition
[06:13] <TallGuy> but all i get is "ready when you are" but my forward button won't let me go forward :/
[06:13] <bioterror> sounds weird, we had yesterday same kind of problem
[06:13] <bioterror> I bet you can press "back" button?
[06:13] <TallGuy> i'd like to not password it at all, but that didn't seem to be an option, now i have a "fair"  password but it still won't go forwards
[06:13] <TallGuy> heh
[06:13] <TallGuy> yes
[06:14] <TallGuy> did it just burn incorrectly to the disk? its v. 10.10
[06:14] <bioterror> I dont think so
[06:14] <TallGuy> hmmm
[06:14] <bioterror> becouse You've almost completed the whole procedure
[06:15] <TallGuy> thats kind of what i thought too.  I don't know why its being silly.  its a pretty old comp, but it had xp pro on it, and if it can run that it should be able to run ubuntu? maybe?
[06:15] <bioterror> hey
[06:16] <bioterror> do you have spaces in your username or special characters?
[06:17] <TallGuy> nope
[06:18] <TallGuy> is that field supposed to have a checkmark next to it as well tho? It doesn't atm
[06:18] <bioterror> is your username with upperfacase
[06:18] <TallGuy> my username is "Zach"
[06:18] <bioterror> okay
[06:18] <bioterror> it should be zach
[06:18] <bioterror> try it out and it works
[06:18] <aveilleux> TallGuy: Usernames can't have capital letters
[06:18] <aveilleux> TallGuy: Your "Real Name" can though
[06:18] <TallGuy> mwahaha
[06:18] <TallGuy> that was it
[06:19] <TallGuy> ty muchly
[06:19] <aveilleux> TallGuy: the "username" is what Linux uses internally to identify you
[06:19] <TallGuy> did not know that it couldn't be uppercase letters
[06:19] <aveilleux> TallGuy: So there are some restrictions to keep the system from breaking
[06:20] <TallGuy> so it works now, i'm just curious as to what happens if the username has caps in it?
[06:20] <bioterror> nothing as you can see ;)
[06:20] <TallGuy> heh
[06:20] <TallGuy> true story
[06:21] <aveilleux> TallGuy: There are a number of things that break... the user creation process just won't allow you to do it because of that
[06:21] <TallGuy> fair enough
[06:24] <aveilleux> TallGuy: Also it keeps things like Tedd, tedd, tEdd, teDD, etc. off the system
[06:24] <aveilleux> TallGuy: Especially because *NIX systems are case-sensitive at the OS level
[06:26] <TallGuy> ahhhhhh, that makes sense
[06:27] <TallGuy> <<first time linux user
[06:27] <aveilleux> TallGuy: Don't worry, we're here for ya :P
[06:31] <TallGuy> yay!
[06:31] <TallGuy> i need to take the hard drive out of the backup comp and just run it with my current, would probably make it easier
[06:38] <bioterror> well, that went fine :-)
[06:39] <aveilleux> bioterror: I just wish everything was that easy
[07:59] <bioterror> TallGuy, did you get your PATA drive working?
[07:59] <bioterror> you might have to deal with the jumpers :-)
[07:59] <TallGuy> nah I didn't, but thats what I'm thinking
[08:00] <TallGuy> i don't know enough about it yet to try it
[08:01] <TallGuy> :/
[08:01] <bioterror> well
[08:01] <TallGuy> i'm not sure why the pata port didn't recognize the harddrive for starters
[08:01] <bioterror> it's not that complicated
[08:01] <TallGuy> it gets upset when the optic drive goes away
[08:02] <bioterror> ahhh, pata drive has slave, master and cable select switches
[08:02] <bioterror> it's really really challenging even for me sometimes
[08:02] <bioterror> and I have dealed with pata drives whole my life
[08:02] <bioterror> now I have my first computer with SATA
[08:03] <TallGuy> i tried taking out the little pin that set it for slave master etc
[08:03] <TallGuy> to make it a slave drive
[08:03] <TallGuy> but that didn't seem to do it
[08:03] <bioterror> okay
[08:04] <TallGuy> do i need to take out the pin on the primary optic drive as well?
[08:04] <bioterror> hard drives are usually masters and optical drives are slaves
[08:04] <TallGuy> so my sata hard drive is the only thing i can hook up to the sata port, the pata hard drive will be a master too?
[08:05] <bioterror> you could get yourself a pata -> sata adapter
[08:05] <bioterror> http://www.cwol.com/serial-ata/serial-ata-ide-converter.htm
[08:06] <bioterror> if it feels so difficult
[08:06] <TallGuy> nah, i just don't know why my bios won't read the drive is all
[08:06] <bioterror> is your bios configurations okay?
[08:07] <TallGuy> as far as i know?
[08:07] <TallGuy> it works fine for its current setup, 2 optic drives and the hard drive
[08:07] <bioterror> hmm
[08:07] <TallGuy> basically what i did was unlpug the slave optic drive and plug in the backup hard drive
[08:08] <bioterror> yes
[08:08] <TallGuy> but that didn't work, comp got mad at me
[08:08] <bioterror> put the harddrive to "cable select" mode?
[08:08] <TallGuy> thats the one i didn't try
[08:08] <bioterror> there's a reason PATA is obsolete
[08:08] <bioterror> haha
[08:08] <TallGuy> lol
[08:09] <bioterror> why
[08:09] <bioterror> I've lost my mind with it too many many many times
[08:09] <TallGuy> i've never had to try and hook up multiple hard drives to this comp before, its more of a pita than replacing the vid card, ram, etc was by far
[08:10] <bioterror> :D
[08:10] <bioterror> you can think what it has been when you have 3 pata drives and one cdrom drive
[08:10] <TallGuy> ugh!
[08:11] <bioterror> and you want that one particular drive to be master :D
[08:11] <TallGuy> lol, i can imagine
[08:11] <bioterror> and bios doesnt find anything
[08:11] <TallGuy> bios frustrates me
[08:12] <bioterror> yeahri10:10 <ipizer> kuka sulle hoitaa juomat
[08:12] <bioterror> Fri10:11 <@klat1s> kai noi porukat
[08:12] <bioterror> Fri10:11 <ipizer> hyvä palvelu
[08:12] <bioterror> oho, sorry :D
[08:13] <bioterror> TallGuy, you should see sometimes Sun Microsystems server with OpenBoot Firmware
[08:13] <TallGuy> yeah?
[08:14] <bioterror> it's like a bios but more like an operating system
[08:16] <TallGuy> hmm, i'm reading up on it right now
[08:17] <TallGuy> screwing with my bios intimidates me
[08:17] <TallGuy> lol
[08:17] <bioterror> http://www.hddoctor.net/how-to-set-the-jumper-setting-on-samsung-pata-hard-disk-drive/
[08:17] <TallGuy> i know just enough to know that I don't know anything about it
[08:29] <TallGuy> so if i replace my slave optic drive with this cable select hard drive, will my comp stop freaking out on reboot about not finding the optic drive?
[08:30] <bioterror> there's only one way to find it out :-)
[08:30] <bioterror> but you should make some notes how the things was in the first place so that you can always return to the square 1
[08:31] <TallGuy> true story, fortunately its pretty easy to put everything back, i have a good memory for how its setup
[10:05] <jappie> I am trying to use Startup Disk Creator to make a bootlable winXP USB drive to install it in Virtual Machine. I can select the .iso file but it when I click "open" it does not show up, only Ubuntu .iso files. Is it possible to use this program to make bootable XP drive?
[10:07] <bioterror> no experience on that one, sorry
[10:07] <bioterror> usually people makes windows usb drives with windows tools and those are based on WinPE
[10:08] <jappie> ok...so I need xp machine to make xp boot drive?
[10:09] <bioterror> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/winpe-winre-bootable,review-1191.html
[10:11] <jappie> reading...thanx!
[10:22] <ElvisTheKing> Hi i want to start programming in python. what to download? Kdevelop? I using now the idle
[10:23] <ElvisTheKing> I what a better way to debugging
[10:30] <Maddeth> ElvisTheKing: http://www.wikihow.com/Start-Programming-in-Python
[10:39] <jappie> I have 1 desktop running Ubuntu 10.10, one netbook 9.10 and one netbook Win xp. I am connected through a wifi network (modem/router). How can I access each computer over this network?
[10:39] <bioterror> how would you like to connect to them
[10:40] <bioterror> you mean like network shares or what
[10:40] <jappie> bioterror, yes, access files and such
[10:40] <jappie> network share!
[10:40] <bioterror> yes
[10:41] <bioterror> usually computers which has the file sharering switched on broadcasts their shares
[10:41] <bioterror> sharing
[10:41] <add1ct> ive somehow disabled my networking, anyone
[10:42] <add1ct> know how to enable it again? :<
[10:42] <bioterror> add1ct, right click the network icon and enable it
[10:42] <add1ct> ...
[10:42] <add1ct> thanks
[10:42] <bioterror> np
[10:42] <jappie> can I access folders through passwords instead of opening/creating a shared folder?
[10:43] <bioterror> there's a lot of ways to access the files
[10:43] <add1ct> is there a backtrack help channel?
[10:44] <jappie> ideally, I would click on the computer that I wish to access, give a password and being able to access all folders...or is too much of a risk?
[10:44] <bioterror> no it's not
[10:44] <bioterror> give your login credentials for that machine
[10:45] <jappie> so how would I go about this? I know in Windows, I have to give a network name but I only have access to folders that I shared..
[10:47] <bioterror> http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/gosnautilus-467.html.en
[10:49] <bioterror> jappie, https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/internet/C/networking.html
[10:51] <jappie> thanx Bioterror....I am reading and learning:-)
[10:52] <bioterror> yeah, it's not rocket science ;)
[11:03] <jappie> bioterror, it turns out that on both my netbook as my desktop  my username is the same (jappie)...is this a problem?
[11:04] <bioterror> nope
[11:04] <bioterror> I have same password and username on my home computers
[11:04] <bioterror> makes it easier
[11:58] <sebsebseb> Hi
[12:00] <bioterror> hi
[12:00] <sebsebseb> bioterror: hi
[12:38] <ElvisTheKing> Thanks Maddeth
[14:20] <tronyx> what's fun and exciting today?
[14:21] <bioterror> about an hour and I'm playing megazone and then off to bowl
[14:21] <Mossyfunk> puppy's!
[14:22] <tronyx> going bowling?
[14:22] <bioterror> yeah after megazone
[14:22] <tronyx> cool
[14:22] <tronyx> not sure what megazone is but have fun :)
[14:22] <bioterror> it's like paintwall with LAZER GUNS!
[14:22] <bioterror> paintball
[14:23] <tronyx> ah
[14:23] <tronyx> where do you live?
[14:23] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkzone
[14:23] <tronyx> it's pretty early here heh
[14:23] <bioterror> I live in finland
[14:24] <tronyx> ah nice
[14:24] <tronyx> i'd love to go to finland, looks very beautiful
[14:24] <bioterror> not at this time of year
[14:24] <tronyx> oh? why's that
[14:25] <bioterror> no leafs on the trees and cold
[14:25] <bioterror> :-)
[14:26] <tronyx> ahhh
[14:40] <Lady_Madonna> Hello.
[14:41] <bioterror> hi
[14:42] <Lady_Madonna> Hello bioterror.
[14:57] <seidos> why can't i rmmod snd_hda_intel?
[14:58] <seidos> it says it's in use, but i don't have any apps accessing it
[14:58] <seidos> well...nothing that i ran.  i wanted to see if i could restart alsasound without rebooting
[15:06] <seidos> well, i was able to do it, but it looks like i didn't restart everything in the right order or something
[15:06] <seidos> because now sound doesn't work at all in anything
[15:06] <seidos> and i have no idea how to get it to work
[15:26] <ehcah> Is it possible to add a USB Pen Drive visible to a VirtualBox OSE Win XP session?
[15:27] <aveilleux> ehcah: Not in the OSE, no.
[15:28] <ehcah> aveilleux: Is OSE the only option within Ubuntu to run a virtual OS?
[15:29] <aveilleux> ehcah: You can download the PUEL version from the VirtualBox website
[15:29] <ehcah> going to check...
[16:04] <navneeth> hey. is there a quick beginners guide to creating app indicators that you would recommend ?
[16:04] <navneeth> something online, of course
[16:06] <aveilleux> navneeth: Indicators? Like system tray icons?
[16:06] <navneeth> yes
[16:06] <navneeth> aveilleux, yes
[16:07] <aveilleux> navneeth: You mean creating the icons themselves or getting them to function in programs?
[16:07] <navneeth> getting to them to work
[16:08] <aveilleux> navneeth: So you're programming and want to add an indicator icon to your program? What language are you using?
[16:09] <navneeth> I want to create an indicator for the BOINC client (I haven't found one so far) I'm familiar with the basics of C, C++ and Python
[16:09] <aveilleux> navneeth: Oh, if you just want to add one to an existing program then you can use Alltray
[16:10] <navneeth> let me check that
[16:10] <aveilleux> navneeth: sudo apt-get install alltray, run it from Applications > Accessories, and click on the BOINC client to minimize it to the tray
[16:11] <navneeth> aveilleux, I just want a minimise-to-try app... I want it put up notifications when tasks are completed, when an update is required, when downloads of new tasks start and finish, etc.
[16:11] <navneeth> I meant to say, "I DON't want just a minimise-to-try app"
[16:12] <aveilleux> navneeth: According to the boincmgr manpages, the client tool already has a system tray icon http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/boincmgr.1.html
[16:13] <navneeth> hm... thanks for that, it doesn't show up with a default start... will try the -s switch
[16:13] <aveilleux> navneeth: Let me try and find out what language the manager is written in
[16:15] <navneeth> aveilleux, this is weird: nothing happens when using the Run App, and when use boincmgr -s from the terminal, it tells me that [s] is an unknown option
[16:16] <aveilleux> navneeth: What version of boincmgr are you running?
[16:17] <navneeth> 6.10.17 -- the latest from the repos
[16:17] <aveilleux> navneeth: Hm, that's VERY odd then, since the manpages should match the version
[16:18] <aveilleux> navneeth: I think the kind of solution you want is one that uses alltray (for the tray icon) and you'd have to muck about with libnotify in the boincmgr source to have notifications pop up
[16:19] <aveilleux> navneeth: Libnotify is sorely undocumented, though, but here's a nice little guide I found in C: http://linux-junky.blogspot.com/2010/03/sending-libnotify-notification-through.html
[16:20] <navneeth> okay, thanks a lot; I'll look those up, and perhaps ask around the BOINC forums re: the missing systray icon
[16:48] <ElvisTheKing> hi anyone know a good manual for gui development in Python?
[16:49] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming ?
[16:49] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: http://docs.python.org/faq/gui.html as well
[16:54] <ElvisTheKing> Thanks man. i started develop in idle, with a gdk. This is a good way to start?
[16:54] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: What?
[16:56] <ElvisTheKing> Working with the idle and the Gdk is a good way to start? I am new in Ubuntu and Python. I know only C# and a bit of C++
[16:57] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: What does "the idle" mean
[16:58] <ElvisTheKing> The editor
[16:58] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: So, you're learning Python
[16:58] <ElvisTheKing> yes
[16:59] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: I guess it's a good way to go... personally I prefer C, but it's a matter of preference
[17:00] <ElvisTheKing> I read that python is a good way to start programming in Ubuntu
[17:00] <ElvisTheKing> C programming is next i hope
[17:00] <ElvisTheKing> but i am lost in here
[17:00] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: It's probably the most common language after C used in Linux since it has bindings for pretty much everything
[17:00] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: How much CLI programming have you done?
[17:02] <ElvisTheKing> I don't know what is CLI. But have an 3 Years experience in C# on Windows
[17:02] <ElvisTheKing> Web And Apps
[17:03] <ElvisTheKing> more Apps than Web
[17:03] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: Command-Line Interface. Going by your programming history I'd say the answer to that question is "none".
[17:04] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: I'd strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with the command-line paradigm, since all simple Python and C applications will be command-line (not GUI).
[17:04] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: I know of no interface "designer" for  Python, like there is in MSC#
[17:07] <ElvisTheKing> I am looking for a place to start, something to get my hands dirty
[17:07] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, wll, you know C#, yeah?
[17:07] <ElvisTheKing> Yes
[17:07] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, why don't you ease your learning. Use something called "Mono". It's a F/OSS ( Open Source ) implementation of the .NET framework in GNU/Linux
[17:08] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, most of the code you've written before will work under Mono
[17:08] <pedro3005> aveilleux, how about Glade?
[17:08] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, does that sound OK, or are you interested in a more beefy language?
[17:08] <pedro3005> paultag, thanks for reminding me of how much I hate MonoDevelop ;)
[17:08] <paultag> pedro3005, heh
[17:09] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, http://www.mono-project.com/Start <-- some good starting points
[17:09] <aveilleux> pedro3005: Glade uses... GtkBuilder, right?
[17:09] <ElvisTheKing> I want to leave C# and Microsoft in general
[17:09] <aveilleux> pedro3005: I forgot about that one
[17:09] <ElvisTheKing> Tell you the true
[17:09] <pedro3005> aveilleux, I think so, I'm not really experienced with it
[17:09] <pedro3005> ElvisTheKing, python! python! :p
[17:09] <ElvisTheKing> Don;t know why but this is the general idea
[17:10] <pedro3005> C isn't really your best pick for full gui projects.. it's possible but I think it's too much unnecessary work
[17:10] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, how into programming are you?
[17:10] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, live/breathe/die, hobby, just for work, hate it
[17:11] <aveilleux> pedro3005: But everything that can be done with a GUI can be done command line... *elitist huff*
[17:11] <aveilleux> :P
[17:11] <paultag> +1 aveilleux
[17:11] <paultag> aveilleux, my WM is just to hold a terminal
[17:12] <ElvisTheKing> Working. love it so bed. The Visual Studio makes eveything so easy
[17:12] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: Welcome to the world of doing everything yourself! :P
[17:12] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, yeah, you won't find anything like that in GNU/Linux. Since visual editors produce cruddy code, they're looked down upon
[17:13] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, the closest we have is GLADE and GTK+ ( but you can use your design in C, C++, Pythong, C# or whatever else )
[17:13] <paultag> Qt too
[17:13] <paultag> but that's mostly C++
[17:13] <paultag> Vala!
[17:13] <paultag> Oh yes, Vala!
[17:13] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, take a look at -- http://live.gnome.org/Vala
[17:13] <ElvisTheKing> I dont look for something close i want to leran the herd staff
[17:13] <paultag> jacob, prod
[17:14] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, then stick with Mono and C# while you learn :)
[17:14] <ElvisTheKing> The .net is not for my. I think
[17:14] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, it's a from scratch implementation
[17:14] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, it's all free and open source
[17:14] <paultag> ElvisTheKing, microsoft has no hand in mono
[17:16] <Locke> i just installed an tiny internet radio player, anyone want to help me find out why it won't start?
[17:16] <aveilleux> Locke: Which one, and what service?
[17:16] <ElvisTheKing> in Mono you write C#?
[17:17] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: Yes and no. You write an implementation of C#, which is technically compatible.
[17:18] <ElvisTheKing> But if i'm going to write in C#, so why don't stay in Microsoft?
[17:19] <Locke> radio tray, which i got from sourceForge
[17:19] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: Well, for one, there's no Linux implementation of C# from Microsoft.
[17:19] <aveilleux> ElvisTheKing: For another, Visual Studio is programming for babies :P
[17:20] <ElvisTheKing> i agree
[17:20] <aveilleux> Locke: Did you install it using the deb package?
[17:21] <Locke> i found the link on another site, and once i got to sourceforge, it just started downloading
[17:22] <aveilleux> Locke: That doesn't answer my question. Did the file you downloaded end with .deb or .tar.gz?
[17:22] <Locke> .deb
[17:23] <Locke> whats's the difference?
[17:23] <aveilleux> Well .deb files are actual installers. .tar.gz files are the executable images, but they don't automatically get the dependencies and whatnot.
[17:24] <aveilleux> Locke: What happens when you run "radiotray" in the Terminal?
[17:26] <Locke> nothing
[17:26] <ElvisTheKing> Tell you the true i want to learn C, python, Ruby and Perl and i have the time and will to do it. I am looking fo a place to start.
[17:26] <aveilleux> Locke: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[17:27] <ElvisTheKing> in about 3 years
[17:27] <Locke> kubuntu 10.04
[17:30] <aveilleux> Locke: It won't work on Kubuntu since Kubuntu lacks the same indicator-applet and system tray utilities that base Ubuntu has
[17:31] <aveilleux> Locke: radiotray uses the GTK2 tray system, so it won't show up on a KDE system without some hacking
[17:32] <JoeMaverickSett> ElvisTheKing: Introduction to python classes have been going on, have a look at this: http://bit.ly/cp3KWI
[17:32] <Locke> bummer
[17:32] <Locke> how'd you find that out?
[17:33] <aveilleux> Locke: Experience. I'm looking at the radiotray home page, and I see that it operates in GTK, and I happen to know that GNOME and KDE use different tray systems.
[17:33] <aveilleux> (GTK is the widget toolkit for GNOME)
[17:34] <Locke> ahhh
[17:34] <Locke> whats the KDE tray system called?
[17:34] <aveilleux> Locke: KTray
[17:35] <aveilleux> Locke: Er, sorry. Kicker.
[17:35] <aveilleux> Locke: KTray is just the system tray component of Kicker.
[17:36] <aveilleux> Locke: Ack, sorry. KDE4 has a Plasma system to render the system tray, and uses KTray. I'm really sorry; I don't know much about KDE and haven't kept up with it.
[17:37] <Locke> its all good, what do you usually use?
[17:37] <aveilleux> Locke: I swap between GNOME and Fluxbox.
[17:40] <Locke> hmm, i've never heard of fluxbux, how do you like it?
[17:41] <aveilleux> Locke: It follows a different design principle than most DEs, but I like it a lot. It's also very, very lightweight.
[17:42] <Locke> i'm intrigued... alright, well thanks for you help
[17:44] <johnny77> I'm trying to run "sh freeplane.sh" but am getting an error can't find Freeplane in <directory> But if Iist in that directory it shows freeplane.sh.
[17:44] <aveilleux> johnny77: did you chmod +x freeplane.sh ?
[17:45] <johnny77> aveilleux: I'll try that.
[17:45] <aveilleux> johnny77: Well you'll have to do it to run the script
[17:47] <johnny77> In the directory frrplane is located I ran "chmod +x freeplane.sh" then tried "sh freeplane.sh" and it still gave me an error.
[17:48] <aveilleux> johnny77: It may not be an sh script, it may be a BASH script. Just run ./freeplane.sh and see what happens.
[17:51] <johnny77> aveilleux: the website said to run it by typing: sh 'freemind.sh'
[17:51] <aveilleux> johnny77: If it's a proper shell script, you won't need it.
[18:16] <ehcah> aveilleux:  I went to: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads  and downloaded/installed the newest version. I don't see any difference from my previous version. On the homepage, it mentions this is PUEL?
[18:17] <aveilleux> ehcah: There's no major difference other than the addition of USB support.
[18:17] <aveilleux> ehcah: Did you uninstall VBox OSE first?
[18:17] <ehcah> Yes, but before installing the new version, I had to uninstall the previous.
[18:18] <aveilleux> ehcah: Yes, that's what I asked.
[18:21] <ehcah> aveilleux: just found the USB option.
[18:21] <ehcah> aveilleux: Do I need to add a "filter" or is enabling the controller enough to make the usb/drives/keys "plug and play"?
[18:22] <aveilleux> ehcah: You need to enable a filter for that device. The system is a bit finicky like that.
[18:22] <ehcah> k.
[18:22] <ehcah> Too easy.
[18:38] <valindil89> starcraftman: o/
[20:21] <serfus> what would be the best way to clean my source list in my meerkat?
[20:28] <mathay> serfus: clear it or reset it?
[20:28] <serfus> mathay, just to get rid of what i have now and get a new default one
[20:31] <mathay> serfus: erm, to clear it, and by clear it I assuming you just mean the default source list--you can use the GUI route by which you can go to Administration -> Update Manger
[20:32] <mathay> After that, click the Settings... button.
[20:32] <mathay> From there, on the "Other Software" tab, you can check and uncheck what you want.
[20:32] <mathay> On the "Ubuntu Software" tab you can also check and uncheck what you want.
[20:34] <mathay> If you want to physically delete things, "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[20:34] <serfus> oh right i can do that, but it will stay there... i thought to maybe delete the source file or something like that
[20:34] <serfus> mathay, ya that's what i wanted! :)
[20:34] <serfus> mathay, do you know where can i get a new file if i will delete this one?
[20:36] <mathay> serfus: my parents just arrived at my house and I'm about to leave.
[20:37] <aveilleux> serfus: You don't want to delete your sources.list D:
[20:37] <aveilleux> serfus: It won't be automagically created or anything
[20:37] <serfus> mathay, okay, thanks for your help :)
[20:38] <serfus> aveilleux, so i wonder if i can get a new one?
[20:38] <mathay> Can anyone else give him some aid? I can't think of something right off the top of my head.
[20:38] <aveilleux> mathay: I'm on it
[20:38] <aveilleux> serfus: What country are you in?
[20:38] <serfus> aveilleux, israel
[20:38] <mathay> I just don't remember the default sources.. haha
[20:38] <mathay> Bye all.
[20:39] <serfus> mathay, bye and thanks again :)
[20:39] <aveilleux> serfus: The easiest way to get a new sources.list is by taking one from a fresh Ubuntu install. I'll build an Ubuntu install for you that will use the Israeli sources and upload the sources.list.
[20:40] <serfus> i don't think they are different from one country to another, are they? because i use just a regular english ubuntu
[20:40] <aveilleux> serfus: The locations of the physical servers are differnet
[20:40] <serfus> anyway, you don't have to go through all that trouble
[20:41] <aveilleux> serfus: Oh it's nothing, I can whip an Ubuntu install out in about 10 minutes
[20:41] <serfus> it's actually not my problem, i'm trying to help someone who totally massed up he's source list
[20:41] <aveilleux> serfus: I don't want to force your system to download from the US if there's a closer server
[20:42] <aveilleux> serfus: Well, where are they located, then?
[20:42] <serfus> we have an israeli mirror
[20:42] <shadeslayer> theres a mirror generator
[20:42] <shadeslayer> hold on
[20:43] <shadeslayer> s/mirror/sources
[20:43] <shadeslayer> serfus: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[20:43] <shadeslayer> select whatever you want and voila
[20:43] <aveilleux> shadeslayer: Oh wow, that's incredibly helpful
[20:43] <shadeslayer> aye
[20:43]  * aveilleux bookmarks
[20:44] <shadeslayer> i remember the url .... :P
[20:44] <serfus> shadeslayer, oh that's nice indeed!
[20:45]  * shadeslayer stares at his natty pbuilder
[22:39] <bodhizazen> 'lo all
[22:40] <bodhizazen> Anyone want to see a preview of my web site (I am in process of re designing the place)
[22:40] <|friTTe|> sure :)
[22:40] <bodhizazen> http://bodhizazen.net/img/preview/Preview.jpg
[22:40] <bodhizazen> It is done with css =)
[22:41] <bioterror> brown, my favourite color ;)
[22:41] <|friTTe|> looks like its going to be a nice one
[22:41] <|friTTe|> yeah brown is nice
[22:42] <bodhizazen> Current site : http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/
[22:43] <bioterror> new one is more web 2.0
[22:43] <bioterror> :-)
[22:43] <|friTTe|> new ones great
[22:45] <bodhizazen> The drop-down menu is multi layer and transparent
[22:46] <bodhizazen> I just got the basic layout done colors, round corners, etc , I need to work on the font color in the content , which is much easier =)
[22:46] <bodhizazen> But ...
[22:47] <bodhizazen> please do not hold back on constructive criticism
[22:47] <bodhizazen> My wife does not like brown, whe thinks it should be blue ;P
[22:47] <bodhizazen> But blue is too boring ;P
[23:27] <|friTTe|> well i dont think brown is the nicest colour but it works on your site there
[23:27] <|friTTe|> blue can be pretty hard on the eyes
[23:32] <bodhizazen> Aye =)