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[13:50] <gnagno> hello all
[13:51] <gnagno> I have a problem with java programs, if I run them as normal user they don't work, but if I run them with sudo they work, any solution?
[13:53] <persia> Packaged programs or unpackaged programs?  If the former, which one?
[13:55] <gnagno> any program
[13:55] <gnagno> now I am trying with a simple "hello word"
[13:55] <gnagno> just imagine I make a very simple program, compile it and any time I try to run it I have to use sudo
[13:57] <persia> Which JRE do you have installed?
[13:59] <gnagno> this is the output from java -version
[13:59] <gnagno> java version "1.6.0_20"
[13:59] <gnagno> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_20-b02)
[13:59] <gnagno> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 16.3-b01, mixed mode)
[13:59] <persia> And that's installed from the package?
[13:59] <persia> Hrm.
[13:59] <gnagno> yep
[13:59] <persia> I've never heard of this issue before.
[13:59] <persia> You get "permission denied" when you try to run without sudo?
[13:59] <gnagno> no
[13:59] <persia> What error do you get?
[14:00] <gnagno> this: http://pastebin.com/1R7JDkLU
[14:00] <gnagno> do you want I paste the log file too?
[14:07] <nthykier> do your user have LD_LIBRARY_PATH or LD_PRELOAD set to anything?
[14:08] <nthykier> but yes, it would be nice to see the log file as well
[14:08] <nthykier> gnagno: ^
[14:08] <nthykier> Gah, my mouse just died on me >.< stupid battery
[14:09]  * persia took too long and got "WE ARE CURRENTLY MOVING SERVERS, DUE TO THIS, A FEW PASTE ARE CURRENTLY OFFLINE, THEY WILL BE BACK IN A FEW MINUTES." :(
[14:09] <gnagno> wait wait... I discovered something strange
[14:09] <gnagno> now my simple hello world app is working with normal user
[14:10] <persia> Oh, excellent.
[14:10] <gnagno> can you please look at this one? http://pastebin.com/ZmX09u79
[14:10] <gnagno> if I uncomment line #16 it is not working
[14:11] <gnagno> maybe the problem is somehow related to some library?
[14:11]  * persia gets the same error message
[14:11] <nthykier> ooooooh, sounds like someone broke swing
[14:12] <nthykier> smells like a bug report
[14:12] <gnagno> and this is the content of the log file: http://pastebin.com/7abuwVrw
[14:13] <gnagno> Netbeans is not working too... I have to lauch it as root
[14:17] <gnagno> persia, did you get my same error message with my simple program?
[14:18] <persia> Yes, and my browser crashed.
[14:18] <persia> But I agree with nthykier: it's probably enough to file a bug report.
[14:20] <nthykier> gnagno: wait... why is your sun java using motif?
[14:21] <nthykier> I thought gtk+ was the backing implementation of Java on Linux in Ubuntu?
[14:22] <gnagno> nthykier, I don't know... I don't think I changed it
[14:23] <gnagno> how can I change it back to gtk+ ?
[14:23] <nthykier> Don't know
[14:23] <persia> Ought be gtk
[14:24] <nthykier> yeah, it ought to be gtk... you definitely want to mention that it uses motif and not gtk in the bug report
[14:24] <persia> Indeed.
[14:25] <nthykier> and then pass the bug number to persia so he can click the "I am also affected by this" button ;)
[14:25] <persia> Um, except I'm not :)
[14:27] <nthykier> :)
[14:31] <gnagno> I am googling to see if I can change this from motif to gtk
[14:40] <gnagno> anyway don't you think it's strange that it's working with sudo and not with my normal user
[14:40] <gnagno> ?
[14:40] <persia> It is strange, hence the request to file a bug.
[14:43] <nthykier> well, that is kind of why I asked about the LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH, as I recall sudo unsets those before starting the application (since keeping them opens possible root exploits)
[14:45] <nthykier> though I did not see anything in the crash log that suggests it was using non-standard libraries
[14:47] <gnagno> someone else have my same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1257346.html
[14:48] <nthykier> erh, is the log supposed to say OS:squeeze/sid and not (e.g.) Maverick?
[14:49] <nthykier> s/log/crash log/
[14:53] <nthykier> Hmm it does not really look like the method that crashes can crash
[14:59] <gnagno> why squeeze ? I am using Meverick
[15:05] <nthykier> Yeah, Squeeze is the current development release of Debian... well, maybe Ubuntu has just imported the Debian package without changes and it is hardcoded into Java itself when it was built
[15:06] <gnagno> do you think it is possible that the root user can access some libraries that my normal user cannot?
[15:06] <gnagno> and this is why netbeans and swing programs are not working for my normal user?
[15:07] <nthykier> it is possible, but unless you have been messing with chmod/chown in /usr/lib/ and /lib then it is not very likely
[15:07] <gnagno> actually I noticed that the program is raising the error in the moment I call hw.setVisible(true);
[15:08] <nthykier> yupe the log also suggests this is the case
[15:09] <nthykier> rather - it confirms this is the case (see "Java Frames:")
[15:09] <pato> hello
[15:09] <gnagno> so the problem is in the rendering moment
[15:09] <gnagno> hello pato
[15:11] <nthykier> gnagno: btw, do you experience this problem when using OpenJDK ?
[15:11] <pato> sorry to bother today. I am having and issue when compiling through ireport and netbeans. Its all related to having the java driver installed
[15:11] <pato> I have it
[15:11] <pato> but it is like is not finding it at all
[15:12] <pato> it worked on fedora, but it justs fails on ubuntu
[15:12] <pato> anyone has any ideas?
[15:12] <nthykier> gnagno: btw, what exactly did you write when you start your application?
[15:12] <gnagno> nthykier, with openjdk it is working
[15:12] <nthykier> Yay for open source software
[15:13] <gnagno> nthykier, do you mean what is the content of the app file?
[15:13] <gnagno> ok I guess I can use openjdk :)
[15:13] <nthykier> the app file?
[15:14] <gnagno> you asked me what exactly did you write when you start your application?
[15:14] <gnagno> what do you mean?
[15:14] <nthykier> well, do you write "java $classname" or what?
[15:14] <gnagno> oh yes
[15:14] <gnagno> java package.classname
[15:15] <nthykier> so java package.classname and sudo java package.classname ?
[15:15] <gnagno> yep
[15:15] <gnagno> the second one is working
[15:15] <gnagno> actually netbeans is still not working, even with openjdk
[15:16] <nthykier> Hmm, "which java" and "sudo which java" - do they output the same?
[15:16] <gnagno> yes
[15:16] <gnagno> I even tryed java -version and sudo java -version
[15:17] <nthykier> okay - just checking (sudo could also change the PATH)
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[15:17] <nthykier> patojamriska: : as in netbeans cannot find a java compiler?
[15:17] <nthykier> or netbeans fails to start?
[15:18] <patojamriska> no
[15:18] <patojamriska> this is the error i get
[15:18] <nthykier> gnagno: hmm, what error does netbeans give you ?
[15:18] <patojamriska> Caused by: java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver found for jdbc:sqlserver://VMCITSMSQL2A:1433;DatabaseName=HDQUERY
[15:19] <gnagno> this is netbeans error: http://pastebin.com/RC7Gxdkt
[15:19] <patojamriska> but I have the driver there
[15:20] <patojamriska> I can connect via a dicrect netbeans connection, but if I instanciate the driver with java.sql.drvier..... it just doen't work
[15:20] <nthykier> Hmm, been a while since I last played with SQL drivers
[15:21] <patojamriska> well, like I said, I just pointed the driver in the classpath in fedora, and it worked fine. I updated to ubuntu and all of a sudden I can't work because of this
[15:21] <patojamriska> I been looking for an answer everywhere and no one seems to know
[15:22] <nthykier> If the driver is from an Ubuntu package the jar may be named slightly different and be placed in /usr/share/java
[15:22] <nthykier> gnagno: same error with OpenJDK ?
[15:22] <patojamriska> ok let me check nt
[15:23] <gnagno> nthykier, this is with OpenJDK
[15:23] <nthykier> "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java" -Djdk.home="/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun"
[15:23] <nthykier> that is not openjdk  :P
[15:24] <gnagno> uhm... I did update-java-alternatives
[15:24] <nthykier> possible, but your local netbeans is still using sun java
[15:24] <nthykier> maybe JAVA_HOME is set
[15:24] <gnagno> yes, you're right
[15:26] <patojamriska> naa, I still get the no suitable driver
[15:26] <nthykier> patojamriska:  what is the package/jar you are using?
[15:26] <patojamriska> sqljdbc4.jar
[15:27] <gnagno> I uncommented JAVA_HOME and netbeans is still using java-6-sun
[15:27] <gnagno> sorry, I meant I commented
[15:28] <patojamriska> gnagno: try to use the java command to change the default java
[15:29] <nthykier> patojamriska: mmm, cannot see that jar being present in any java package I am aware of. did you download it from a third-party vendor?
[15:29] <patojamriska> yeah
[15:29] <patojamriska> great MSoft
[15:30] <gnagno> patojamriska, how to use the java command to change the default java?
[15:30] <patojamriska> gnagno: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[15:31] <nthykier> actually you may find update-java-alternatives very convenient for changing system java
[15:31] <gnagno> thanks, I did it but netbeans is still using java-6-sun
[15:31] <patojamriska> nthykier: It shouldn't be tis hard, specially if you add the jar to the system and point it on the classpath
[15:31] <patojamriska> hmm
[15:32] <nthykier> patojamriska: admittedly it should work the same on Ubuntu and Fedora
[15:32] <patojamriska> exactly
[15:32] <patojamriska> I got no idea why is not working
[15:32] <patojamriska> now, If I deploy it to the server on tomcat, it works half ways sometimes
[15:33] <patojamriska> because I can't troubleshoot the report on NB
[15:33] <nthykier> NB?
[15:34] <patojamriska> netbeans
[15:34] <patojamriska> or iReport
[15:34] <patojamriska> or pure java
[15:34] <patojamriska> none do it
[15:34] <patojamriska> :(
[15:34] <nthykier> ah netbeans
[15:34] <nthykier> I am an eclipse user
[15:35] <nthykier> not used to all the netbeans related abbreviations :)
[15:37] <nthykier> hmm, does this sql jar have any dependencies?
[15:37] <nthykier> or is it a complete stand alone?
[15:37] <patojamriska> that's ok
[15:37] <patojamriska> complete stand alone
[15:37] <patojamriska> I wish ireport would have the plugin for eclipse
[15:37] <nthykier> okay - that rules out something being loaded on Fedora that was not loaded in Ubuntu
[15:37] <nthykier> you could write one *hint hint*
[15:37] <nthykier> hehe
[15:37] <patojamriska> :)
[15:38] <patojamriska> yeah I been looking at the source and thinking about it
[15:38] <patojamriska> but I am on a big project right now that does not give me much spare time for it
[15:40] <nthykier> btw, are you using sun-java or OpenJDK?
[15:40] <nthykier> or even GCJ?
[15:42] <nthykier> also, have you people tried using netbeans from Ubuntu - as I understand it Ubuntu got 6.9 in Maverick (haven't checked it though)
[15:48] <patojamriska> sorry I was lookign at the other screen
[15:48] <patojamriska> 6.8 ubuntu
[15:48] <patojamriska> sun
[15:48] <patojamriska> and openjdk
[15:48] <patojamriska> none work
[15:48] <patojamriska> and on fedora was working on both
[15:50] <gnagno> I tryed now to install netbeans from package, still got the same error tought it installed a lot of dependencies
[15:54] <nthykier> gnagno: if the Ubuntu package does not respect your system settings for java (and you do not have JAVA_HOME set in your terminal/environment) then you should file a bug against it
[15:55] <patojamriska> I hate to say this but I am going to have to install windows to work on this thing of netbeans for a while
[15:55] <gnagno> patojamriska, I was going to say the same...
[15:56] <nthykier> fair enough
[15:56] <gnagno> I just am not used to windows
[15:57] <patojamriska> i hate windows
[15:57] <patojamriska> i might as as well on the java forum and see if anyone has any ideas
[15:58] <patojamriska> thank you for your time though nt
[15:59] <patojamriska> oh
[16:00] <patojamriska> check this out
[16:00] <patojamriska> I changed the parameter to use the local connection on the report, and have another pointing to mysql and now I get this
[16:00] <patojamriska> Caused by: java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver found for jdbc:mysql://cedev/PartsInventoryDevelopment
[16:01] <nthykier> mm, we do have an mysql driver in Ubuntu last I checked - you probably have to tell netbeans where to find it though
[16:01] <patojamriska> is on my classpath
[16:02] <nthykier> btw, those URLs looks "strange"
[16:03] <patojamriska> how come?
[16:05] <nthykier> well, regular URLs are read as protocol://host/resource but yours (ignored the jdbc: part) does not seem to have hostnames in them
[16:06] <nthykier> again it is ages since I last looked at Java and SQL drivers :P
[16:06] <patojamriska> well I use teh hostname of the dev machine == cedev
[16:06] <patojamriska> and teh resource the database name
[16:06] <patojamriska> it works fine on the straight connections
[16:06] <patojamriska> :)
[16:07] <nthykier> sure :P
[16:07] <patojamriska> lol
[16:10] <nthykier> our university computers have aliases in their /etc/hosts file for all their machines, so I know that the URL could be valid... just that most setups do not use aliases like that :)
[16:11] <gnagno> I am still fighting with java and swing
[16:13] <nthykier> I learned long ago that GUI programming is generally not me... I can do all the component logic and connect the events, but I cannot be bothered to create something that looks decent
[16:14] <nthykier> mmm... headless programs :P
[16:22] <patojamriska> :)
[16:31] <patojamriska> no luck
[16:31] <patojamriska> im going to have to use windows
[17:04] <gnagno> patojamriska, windows in evil
[17:12] <persia> Let's not argue about how one or another operating system is bad.
[17:12] <persia> Arguing about why one or another is good, on the other hand, is less objectionable.
[17:12] <persia> We can always learn to improve :)
[17:15] <gnagno> persia, of course I was irhonic :)
[17:16] <gnagno> I just need to make swing work under ubuntu :/
[17:57] <gnagno> I am leaving thank you very much for your help
[18:23] <patojamriska> im out as well
[18:23] <patojamriska> i'll be back later
[18:23] <patojamriska> thanks for all the help