[09:31] <thorwil> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Winners
[09:42] <vish> thorwil¦ huh! so fedora has gone flickr too!
[09:42] <vish> well, they atleast  clearly mention the winner names ;)
[09:42] <vish> 's
[19:36] <Nece228> hi
[19:36] <Nece228> i have a question
[19:36] <Nece228> what engines other than murrine light themes uses
[19:37] <Nece228> also, why tooltips on my arch linux using light themes are squared and not transparent, while on ubuntu they are rounded and transparent
[19:38] <Nece228> and window titlebar buttons background is ugly: http://j.imagehost.org/view/0795/Screenshot
[19:38] <Nece228> altough same happens with ubuntu 10.10 themes
[19:39] <Nece228> i think ubuntu has some patches
[19:58] <kwwii> Nece228: the tooltip rounding and transparency is a patch from RH which probably didn't make it into ARCH, also there are some minor changes in ubuntu to include those settings in the theme itself (which is also probably missing) and in addition, you probably don't have the latest theme engine snapshot
[19:59] <Nece228> well i have installed latest murrine git packages
[20:13] <thorwil> looking for a term to describe someone who goes to a website because he needs an asset from it. needer/wanter is all i came up with, so far
[20:13] <Nece228> kwwii: where can i get those patches
[20:20] <vish> thorwil¦ if he is an artist,  'artist' should work ;)
[20:20] <vish> he/she too
[20:21] <vish> and i dont think "needer/wanter" are english words
[20:22] <vish> thorwil¦ if you dont want to tie the person to a profession, you can just mention as "a person looking for assets..." :)
[20:26] <thorwil> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Needer
[20:27] <kwwii> I think we should get away from the term "artist" as it really means more of a fine-art artist
[20:27] <kwwii> hi thorwil and vish, btw :-)
[20:28] <thorwil> vish: trying to define the roles of potential users of a design-hub. one is  a person that is not a contributor and does not issue a request, but just visits the site and looks for an asset
[20:28] <vish> kwwii¦ hey! :)
[20:28] <thorwil> kwwii: hi ken!
[20:29] <thorwil> yeah, if i was in charge, we'd close ubuntu-art(work) and start anew with a "design" label
[20:29] <vish> hehe!
[20:29] <kwwii> thorwil: well, I don't  think anyone else would really mind (and nobody is in charge now afaict)
[20:29] <vish> yea..
[20:29] <vish> thorwil¦ just do it like how mizmo did for the personas, just pick someone or some person who is not an artist.. ;)
[20:30] <kwwii> hehe
[20:30] <thorwil> vish: not working on a persona level. this is thinking on the system level
[20:31] <vish> thorwil¦ yep, got it, but its like saying "average joe/jane" …
[20:31] <thorwil> vish: one sometimes valuable thing to do when designing is to define the system
[20:32] <thorwil> the environment, people and their roles and relations ...
[20:33] <thorwil> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-community
[20:33] <thorwil> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-design-in-open-source
[20:34] <thorwil> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-research-to-design
[20:34] <thorwil> mpt brought those up. maybe this time i'll be in my element at uds :)
[20:35] <vish> hmm, i need to catch up on a lot of mails :(
[20:36] <vish> btw, i think the web needs better dictionaries  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/needer
[20:36] <vish> http://oxforddictionaries.com/noresults?dictionaryVersion=region-uk&isWritersAndEditors=true&noresults=true&page=1&pageSize=20&q=needer&searchUri=All&sort=alpha&type=dictionarysearch
[20:36] <kwwii> vish: well, it is not a real word in english
[20:37] <kwwii> there is no such thing as a "needer" in the official language
[20:37] <vish>  yea, i said so too, but freedictionary is misleading thorwil :(
[20:37] <vish> [00:56] <thorwil> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Needer
[20:38] <thorwil> i though needer was a perfectly cromulent!
[20:38] <vish>  or Klingon!
[20:38] <kwwii> hrm, that is a very old phrase as well as the fact that needer is not used as any kind of pronoun but rather as an adverb
[20:39] <vish> there is needier, and the sort.. but needer is odd
[20:39] <kwwii> indeed
[20:40] <kwwii> lol, I am not a needer, I am an indeeder
[20:40] <thorwil> heh
[20:41] <thorwil> guess i have to go with Seeker, then
[20:45] <thorwil> but i always will have to think of http://www.entertainmentwallpaper.com/images/desktops/movie/tv_legend_of_the_seeker01.jpg then
[20:46] <vish>  heh, i thought of harry potter ;p
[20:48] <thorwil> harry potter lacks mord-sith: http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/Nomae/Kahlan-MordSith.jpg
[20:54] <thorwil> good night!
[21:09] <kwwii> so who is coming to Bamberg Germany on the 23rd to see my concert?