[01:16] <johnny77> I'm working in Ubuntu netbook 10.10 and trying to add some menu items, but they do not appear to be in the menu.
[01:20] <aveilleux> johnny77: I assume you're using alacarte, the menu editor?
[01:21] <johnny77> aveilleux: yeah, whatever is in the system menu.
[01:21] <aveilleux> johnny77: I'm... not entirely sure on this, but I don't think UNR uses the default GNOME menu system, so alacarte wouldn't affect it.
[01:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: I really, really have to research that to say anything affirmatively though.
[01:22]  * aveilleux really has to make several VMs with the different Ubuntu distros sometime.....
[01:25] <johnny77> aveilleux: Silly me, I thought since I had a netbook I should get UNR, but the more I use it, the less I like it. I don't see how it is so much better than desktop for netbooks.
[01:25] <aveilleux> johnny77: I personally hate the Unity interface. The idea is nifty, but I just can't work in a system like that.
[01:26] <johnny77> aveilleux: Is unity new in 10.10? What was in 10.04?
[01:26] <aveilleux> johnny77: Unity is the UNR interface system. It's been around for as long as UNR is, afaik
[01:29] <johnny77> aveilleux: Thank you. I'm gonna log out and switch to desktop. Be back on later.
[10:57] <jappie> I am playing around with vitual machine and installed xp on it. I pressed "full screen mode" but have no clue how to get out of it...:-)
[11:00] <geirha> jappie: If it's virtualbox, it's Right Ctrl+F
[11:01] <geirha> For other virtual machine software, I don't know.
[11:01] <jappie> Thanx....that works!
[11:01] <geirha> :)
[11:12] <blackwood> Can anybody tell me what 'FileZilla' is used for?
[11:13] <shahan> blackwood: Its a File uploader
[11:14] <shahan> blackwood: if u have a website, you can upload/download files using this
[11:14] <blackwood> shahan: I thought it was a file navigator :-[
[11:15] <serfus> it's more then that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileZilla
[11:15] <blackwood> shahan: does an average user, such as my self, need it?
[11:16] <shahan> blackwood: ya... you can use it, as it has a easy to use features
[11:16] <blackwood> I initially downloaded it not knowing what it was - embarrassing
[11:17] <shahan> blackwood: do u have website? do u need to upload files there? if yes, you can use it
[11:17] <blackwood> none of the above I'm afraid
[11:18] <blackwood> I think I might uninstall it
[11:19] <blackwood> on a different note, does anybody here use an AMD based laptop
[11:54] <|friTTe|> \O/
[13:16] <Mossyfunk> Does the "~/" in "~/.bashrc" denote the .bashrc file in the current users home directory? for instance could I edit a file in my home directory by just appending the prefix "~/"?
[13:20] <Mossyfunk> nvm =)
[13:35] <ibuclaw> Mossyfunk, ~ is a special alias for your home directory, yes.
[13:35] <Mossyfunk> ibuclaw, ty =)
[13:35] <ibuclaw> just as - is a special alias for the previous directory you were in.
[13:35] <ibuclaw> cd /foo
[13:35] <ibuclaw> cd -
[13:36] <ibuclaw> !! is an alias to the last command you ran.
[13:36] <ubot2> ibuclaw: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[13:37] <ibuclaw> nano /etc/conf # whoops, don't have permissions
[13:37] <ibuclaw> sudo !!
[13:39] <Mossyfunk> ibuclaw, wow all very useful tyvm =)
[13:39] <Mossyfunk> so what would be the syntax used to add a line of text to a file from the CLI? would I use cat?
[13:46] <ibuclaw> Mossyfunk, if you have permissions to write/append to the file:
[13:46] <ibuclaw> echo "new line" >> file
[13:46] <ibuclaw> or
[13:46] <ibuclaw> cat << EOF >> file
[13:46] <ibuclaw> new line
[13:46] <ibuclaw> EOF
[13:47] <ibuclaw> or
[13:47] <ibuclaw> echo "new line" | tee -a file
[13:47] <ibuclaw> if you require 'root' or another user's permissions:
[13:48] <ibuclaw> echo "new line" | sudo tee -a file
[13:48] <ibuclaw> or
[13:48] <ibuclaw> sudo -s
[13:48] <ibuclaw> # then you can run any of the prior three. =)
[13:49] <Mossyfunk> Woo thanks heaps ibuclaw ... I knew I remembered using the first method but the man page was not very helpful.
[13:51] <ibuclaw> Mossyfunk, whether using echo or cat the string input will always get formatted.
[13:51] <ibuclaw> ie:
[13:51] <ibuclaw> cat << EOF >> file
[13:51] <ibuclaw> my $WORD = 42; # will expand $WORD to the value of the variable
[13:52] <ibuclaw> my \$WORD = 42; # will not iirc
[13:53] <ibuclaw> If using echo, you can use 'string literals' which are wysiwyg
[13:53] <ibuclaw> as opposed to "formatted strings"
[13:54] <Mossyfunk> I don't understand =S
[13:54] <ibuclaw> Mossyfunk, here is an exercise for you:
[13:55] <ibuclaw> MYVAR=42
[13:55] <ibuclaw> echo "$MYVAR"
[13:55] <ibuclaw> echo '$MYVAR'
[13:55] <ibuclaw> what do you note of the difference between the two?
[13:57] <Mossyfunk> the first echoed the set variable and the second just echo's what was between the single quotes?
[13:59] <ibuclaw> yep.
[14:00] <ibuclaw> The first got formatted. The second didn't. That's always something to bare in mind if you plan on using the shell to append text to files.
[14:12] <Mossyfunk> I think I understand
[15:15] <geekosopher> i am a little noobish on the ssh front, so wanted to know...
[15:15] <geekosopher> is there a way to transition my ssh keys once I switch from jaunty to maverick (mostly a fresh install)?
[15:16] <geekosopher> or will I have to create new keys?
[15:16] <Cheri703> I would be interested to know for future use as well. I backed up and restored my whole home folder and my keys were broken...
[15:16] <Cheri703> I had to create new ones...
[15:17] <Cheri703> not to say there ISN'T a way
[15:17]  * Cheri703 is new to ssh herself
[15:19] <geekosopher> Cheri703: lets do a bit of joint research... :)
[15:19] <Cheri703> sounds good :)
[15:20] <geekosopher> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH itself does not have much info but it gives 5 links at the bottom... you read first 2, I take the next
[15:20] <geekosopher> and lets see if we can find something
[15:22] <kosaidpo1> hello guys
[15:22] <geekosopher> Cheri703: you good with it?
[15:22] <kosaidpo1> is there anyway to link my googlereader with lifearea ??
[15:23] <Cheri703> nothing useful there
[15:24] <geekosopher> Cheri703: i am reading the third link, can you take the next?
[15:24] <Cheri703> sure sure
[15:30] <Cheri703> those links didn't help, but I'm being told if you: cp -r ~/.ssh <somewhere> and then paste them back in after install, then it *should* work
[15:30] <Cheri703> also that seahorse? the password and encryption manager should let you back them pu
[15:30] <Cheri703> *up
[15:30] <Cheri703> well, import/export
[15:31] <geekosopher> Cheri703: hmm.. but you said copying didn't work for you
[15:31] <geekosopher> even I didn't find anything useful
[15:32] <geekosopher> checking 'man ssh-copy-id'
[15:32] <Cheri703> well, I may have done it incorrectly, I dunno, I didn't specifically copy the ssh folder, I did the home folder in general
[15:32] <Cheri703> and/or try sudo
[15:33] <Cheri703> http://askubuntu.com/questions/4830/easiest-way-to-copy-ssh-keys-to-another-machine
[15:33] <geekosopher> Cheri703: where did you learn about copying?
[15:33] <Cheri703> I was asking in another room. that askubuntu link looks promising, no?
[15:34] <geekosopher> Cheri703: oh sorry, is that the link?
[15:34] <Cheri703> no, but looks helpful
[15:36] <geekosopher> Cheri703: all the answers on that page are about copying the public keys, nothing about private keys :(
[15:36] <Cheri703> :( sorry
[15:37] <Cheri703> brb, have to deal with husband's phone charger
[15:37] <geekosopher> never mind :)
[15:42] <Galeo> Hi. I'm having issues trying to connect to some wireless : if the security mode is WPA-PSK, the encryption is either TKIP or AES and the encrytption version is either in WPA or WPA2, it does work, but if its TKIP+AES and WPA+WPA2 both, it doesn't.
[15:44] <Cheri703> is there a reason you need to keep it at both?
[15:46] <Galeo> yes, I'm sharing the server with two other roomates for who it works fine, and do not wish to change...
[15:47] <Cheri703> but...why does it need both is my question, is one using tkip and wpa and the other using aes and wpa2? if they are both using the same settings, couldn't you just set it to that and then go from there?
[15:50] <Galeo> I mean that I can connect if it is one or the other (they have let me try), but not when it's at the same time TKIP+AES and WPA+WPA2. So if I just change WPA+WPA2 to WPA2, it goes at once in AES automatically, and I then can connect... If I change it to WPA, it changes automaticvally to TKIP, and I can connect also...
[15:51] <Cheri703> ok, but why is neither of those an acceptable solution for them? I get that you said they don't want to change, but...is there a reason why? I'm not trying to be difficult, I promise! There are a LOT of hardware / driver issues that could be causing your problem (and we can try to take a look at that if necessary), so if a small settings change could work...why isn't that possible?
[15:51] <Cheri703> I had to change mine from wpa2 to wpa because older windows laptops wouldn't connect to the wireless
[15:52] <Cheri703> which is super annoying when you have company that bring their computers
[15:53] <Galeo> it's juste because they say it's safer to be in both modes. They're kind of touchy concerning that matter actually...
[15:53] <Cheri703> -_-
[15:53] <Cheri703> helpful guys, eh?
[15:53] <Galeo> really... :/
[15:53] <Cheri703> ok, so then what is the model of your wireless card and what version of ubuntu, etc
[15:54] <Cheri703> because really, some cards just can't handle certain settings
[15:54] <Cheri703> can you get your own access point?
[15:55]  * Cheri703 would just pick up a cheap access point, hide the ssid, and use that
[15:59] <Galeo> well... at the basis, I had to work a lot to make my wireless work under Ubuntu 10.04, and I finally succeeded without really knowing how (probably some automatic update helped a lot)
[16:00] <Galeo> before, it wouldd even not see any wireless network to connect to...
[16:02] <Galeo> and what do you mean by my own access point ? Like, having two routers ? ^^
[16:02] <Cheri703> do you have ONLY wireless in your house or do you have ethernet cables run anywhere as well?
[16:07] <Cheri703> or pick up a usb wireless adapter, try it, if it doesn't work, return it. I have one that is super friendly with ubuntu
[16:07] <Galeo> they are ethernet
[16:07] <Galeo> actually I'm not on laptot
[16:08] <Galeo> and I have a usb wireless adapter
[16:08] <Cheri703> oh, so...why do you need wireless?
[16:08] <Galeo> reason for the whole thing ^^
[16:08] <Cheri703> ah, ok, the roommates are plugged in
[16:08] <Cheri703> you are wireless, yes?
[16:08] <Galeo> because they are not long enough for my room, that the wall are holes proof, and that the place where is the router is not mine. ^^
[16:08] <Galeo> yes
[16:09] <Cheri703> ok, gotcha
[16:09] <Galeo> with adapter
[16:09] <Cheri703> where is the router?
[16:09] <Cheri703> eh, nvm, that doesn't matter much
[16:09] <Cheri703> what is the adapter you have?
[16:13] <Cheri703> Galeo: toward the bottom of this page, it references a "Preference Summary" http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_security#TKIP.2BAES
[16:13] <Cheri703> some hardware just will not support what they want it set to, and honestly, if they're not using it, I don't see why they get to choose that. (granted, I don't know your situation, but...yeah)
[16:13] <Galeo> thx alot, I've been looking for this one without finding.
[16:16] <cprofitt> hello all
[16:16] <Cheri703> hi
[16:17] <cprofitt> hey bioterror
[16:20] <bioterror> he cprofitt
[16:20] <bioterror> hi
[16:31] <geekosopher> Cheri703: no luck... I guess it is built like that - for a computer-to-computer talk :)
[16:32] <Cheri703> :( that stinks
[16:32] <geekosopher> actually
[16:46] <chavezgt> hi to everyone, i have just installed ubuntu 10.10, and i have some problems with character display. Some letters like capital "S", capital" S", capital"W",capital "P", don't display correctly, can anybody help me please?
[16:46] <chavezgt> this happens in the main pannel & in some programs.
[16:47] <jappie> I run 10.10 on my desktop and installed a printer, and shared it for my other machines to use it as well. One is ubuntu 10.04 and the other runs Win XP.  My other 2 machines can's see the printer. I am connecting through wifi network, where I can access my other shared folders normally, but no printer so far. Help please
[16:48] <geirha> !imagebin | chavezgt
[16:48] <ubot2> chavezgt: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://tinyurl.com/imagebin and post a link to it.
[16:48] <chavezgt> ok
[16:48] <Cheri703> jappie: on the ubuntu computer, go to printing, and then Server > Settings, Check the "Show printers shared by other computers" box
[16:48] <Cheri703> start there
[16:50] <Cheri703> check out these links: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[16:50] <chavezgt> geirha: done, here's the url: http://imagebin.org/118799
[16:51] <geirha> chavezgt: Hm. That looks like an issue with the graphics driver
[16:52] <jappie> Cheri703, I checked this option and still nothing....
[16:52] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[16:52] <Cheri703> check out those links
[16:52] <geirha> chavezgt: What does the following command typed in a terminal say?  lspci|grep VGA
[16:54] <jappie> Also, My desktop and my Xp machine are on networkname "house" and my other netbook (10.04) shows that it is on "workgroup"...does this matter? Can I get them all on the same domain?
[16:55] <jappie> Cheri703, ps...reading and learning about printing....
[16:55] <chavezgt> vga compatible controller: ATI Technologies INC RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[16:56] <chavezgt> geirha:vga compatible controller: ATI Technologies INC RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[16:56] <geirha> chavezgt: Do you know whether you are using the open source or proprietary driver?
[16:56] <chavezgt> i don't know, sorry...
[16:58] <geirha> chavezgt: System -> Administration -> Hardware drivers, do you see any graphics drivers there? and if so, are they enabled (green) or disabled (red)?
[16:59] <Cheri703> jappie: you'll need to put them on the same workgroup
[17:01] <geirha> jappie: I don't know how to do configure that graphically, but you can edit the samba config file to change the workgroup.  Alt+F2 -> gksudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[17:01] <geirha> Near the start there should be a setting for workgroup
[17:04] <geirha> After saving the file, running  «sudo /etc/init.d/samba reload» in a terminal should use the new settings.
[17:04] <geirha> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaServerGuide
[17:05] <chavezgt> geirha: don't have hardware drivers option. additional drivers, perhaps?
[17:06] <geirha> chavezgt: Sounds like it. I haven't tried Maverick yet. They've probably just changed the name of the menu entry.
[17:06] <_CommandeR_> anyone here use mumble ?
[17:06] <chavezgt> ok, it says: no proprietary drivers are in use on this system.
[17:08] <geirha> chavezgt: Hm. And none listed?
[17:08] <chavezgt> geirha: yes
[17:08] <chavezgt> the list is empty
[17:11] <aveilleux> geirha: The OSS driver dropped support for the 200M
[17:12] <aveilleux> chavezgt: Have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver ?
[17:15] <chavezgt> aveilleux: I'm checking it right now.
[17:15] <geirha> Yeah, that looks promising :)
[17:16] <jappie> geirha, Cheri703, I edited the smb.conf and this went fine. When I tried to run the «sudo /etc/init.d/samba reload, it tell me "command not found". And my netbook does not show up anymore in my network...
[17:17] <geirha> jappie: Is that the exact error message?
[17:17] <geirha> (maybe it's turned into a service on 10.10?)
[17:17] <Cheri703> jappie: install samba from synaptic, in there you can configure your computer to a specific workgroup, just go with whatever the xp comp has, put both of the ubuntu ones on it (may be samba4 or something else, just search samba in synaptic)
[17:19] <jappie> in synaptic it says that samba is installed. Shall uninstall and reinstall?
[17:19] <Cheri703> there is some gui component
[17:19] <Cheri703> sorry, don't remember what it's called
[17:19]  * Cheri703 likes the gui
[17:21] <jappie> u mean system-conf-samba?
[17:22] <Cheri703> maybe? will check, one sec
[17:22] <jappie> ok...will wait...
[17:25] <Cheri703> looks like in 10.10 it is system-config-samba
[17:26] <jappie> Cheri703,  on this netbook I use 10.04...
[17:26] <chavezgt> avilleux, geirha: I've read it, but frankly I don't understand.
[17:26] <Cheri703> oh, ok, one sec then :) sorry
[17:27] <Cheri703> same thing
[17:27] <aveilleux> chavezgt: I kinda came in late, what problem are you having exactly?
[17:27] <jappie> ok will install it..
[17:27] <aveilleux> chavezgt: Sorry to make you repeat yourself
[17:28] <Cheri703> it'll be under system > administration > samba once installed, you can edit server settings
[17:28] <Cheri703> might reinstall samba while you're at it
[17:28] <Cheri703> just for good measure since it was being pissy
[17:29] <chavezgt> avilleaux: I don't understand what does that page means.
[17:30] <chavezgt> the url you gave me
[17:30] <jappie> ok will reinstall. Do I also need to install Samba 4?
[17:30] <Cheri703> uhm, I don't think so
[17:30] <Cheri703> I just wasn't sure which it was, just straight samba or samba 4
[17:30] <Cheri703> if you have samba, go with that
[17:30] <jappie> ok..btw, THANKS!
[17:30] <Cheri703> sure
[17:31] <Cheri703> if there's a gui way to do something, I try to go that way. harder to screw stuff up with a space or capital letter in the wrong spot :/
[17:31] <chavezgt> avilleux: oh, sorry, didn't read your last thread. I have some problems with my desktop display.
[17:32] <chavezgt> here i have a screenshot:http://imagebin.org/118799
[17:34] <aveilleux> chavezgt: Woah, that's... interesting indeed. Have you tried changing resolution, then going back to the correct one?
[17:35] <chavezgt> avilleux: Actually I am really new to Ubuntu, can you tell me please how to do that?
[17:36] <Cheri703> jappie: any word?
[17:36] <aveilleux> chavezgt: System > Preferences > Monitors
[17:36] <jappie> yes...I just reinstalled everything and I see that the netbook now has the corrcet domain...
[17:37] <jappie> checking if it appear on the other machines.....
[17:37] <Cheri703> ok
[17:38] <jappie> When I go to places/network, I see my desktop, the xp machine and a folder call "windows network". When I open this, all 3 machines appear here (a bit confused why the netbook does not show directly in "network"
[17:39] <Cheri703> well, because from there it's in as the samba, so it considers it a windows network (I believe)
[17:39] <Cheri703> honestly I dunno
[17:39] <Cheri703> but if it's seeing it, then awesome
[17:40] <jappie> Yes I see it there and I can access it. But still not able to see/connect printer that is installed on my desktop on either xp or netbook...
[17:41] <aveilleux> jappie: Is printer sharing enabled in both Ubuntu /and/ Samba?
[17:41] <chavezgt> aveilleux: Thank you, that helped with  the lines in the desktop, but I have still problems with the characters
[17:41] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[17:41] <jappie> I know it is enabled in the printer settings but not sure if it is enabled in Samba....
[17:42] <aveilleux> chavezgt: I don't think it's a driver problem, to be honest. Try changing your theme and see if that helps.
[17:43] <jappie> I am installing system-config-samba to see if I can manage this here, correct?
[17:43] <Cheri703> yes
[17:45] <jappie> What I see is that permissions are "read only". If I go to "edit share/ access" I see that it is  allowed to "jappie" and "everbody". There is also the option "allow everyone" ....
[17:46] <jappie> should I select "allow everyone"?
[17:46] <aveilleux> jappie: ..assuming this is your home network, it should be safe.
[17:46] <aveilleux> jappie: theoretically.
[17:47] <jappie> well.....kind of my home network...shared with my neighbor!
[17:47] <jappie> But she is on another workgroup
[17:47] <aveilleux> jappie: If they're on another workgroup then it should be fine.
[17:48] <jappie> ok...I wills elect this then...and test it!
[17:48] <jappie> IT WORKS! Thanx to u all!
[17:49] <aveilleux> jappie: No problem mate
[17:59] <johnny77> What good are the different work spaces?
[17:59] <aveilleux> johnny77: You mean, in the context of the Workplace Switcher?
[18:01] <johnny77> aveilleux: yeah. I just don't see the point, but thought I might be missing something.
[18:02] <aveilleux> johnny77: It's just more space to work on. For example, you could put all of your documents that you have open on Workplace 1, all of your Tomboy Notes on Workplace 2, IM conversations on Workplace 3, etc etc
[18:03] <chavezgt> aveilleux: Sorry, gone because of connection problems, but changing the theme didn't work...
[18:03] <aveilleux> chavezgt: Hm, odd. I'm not sire what it could be, then. Let me do some research.
[18:04] <johnny77> aveilleux: Is there an easy way to switch between workspaces? I was in another workspace using OpenOffice when this beep, but I couldn't alt-tab between programs.
[18:04] <aveilleux> chavezgt: Do you have Compiz enabled? ie. Desktop Effects
[18:05] <aveilleux> johnny77: Should be Ctrl+Alt+arrow key, iirc
[18:07] <chavezgt> aveilleux: I have Visual Effects enabled, is that it?
[18:08] <aveilleux> chavezgt: Yes, that. Try disabling them, then running "metacity --replace &" in Terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal)
[18:09] <chavezgt> aveilleux: I solved it, I changed the application font in "appearance Preferences"
[18:10] <aveilleux> chavezgt: Huh, so it was a font problem. Weird! See if it sticks with a reboot.
[18:10] <chavezgt> aveilleux: ok, thank you very much for your help!
[18:11] <aveilleux> chavezgt: No prolem
[18:11] <aveilleux> s/prolem/problem
[18:11] <starcraftman> Question: Anyone ever had their shutdown button dissapear on the kmenu? Just noticed it's vanished.
[18:12] <aveilleux> starcraftman: It's now "leave" or something like that
[18:12] <starcraftman> aveilleux: nope, I'm on the leave tab and they are gone.
[18:13] <starcraftman> Duh duh duhhhhhhh
[18:13] <aveilleux> starcraftman: Weeeird. KDE has trapped you forever!
[18:13] <starcraftman> LOL
[18:13] <starcraftman> I can never shutdown!
[18:13] <aveilleux> starcraftman: sudo shutdown -h now still works I hope ;-P
[18:14] <starcraftman> aveilleux: oh I know, just being melodramatic. I guess I'll google to find how to renable.
[18:28] <johnny77> Gnome and KDE are both GUIs for unix, right? What is the difference? Is one tailored for specific use
[18:28] <aveilleux> johnny77: It's just preference.
[18:28] <aveilleux> johnny77: They follow different design principles, so they have slightly different ways of getting around in the UI. Also KDE is shinier.
[18:29] <johnny77> aveilleux: if I installed KDE would that eliminate gnome?
[18:29] <aveilleux> johnny77: No, they can run in tandem. But you'll get weird bugs like not having a shutdown button, as starcraftman just found out
[18:31] <starcraftman> aveilleux: specifically using the display manager of one with the gui of the other. Easy to switch though.
[18:31] <starcraftman> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm is the command if you were wondering aveilleux.
[18:31] <johnny77> Aveillux: thanks. I was just curious.
[18:31] <aveilleux> johnny77: Curiosity is good!!
[18:32] <starcraftman> johnny77: experimentation is encouraged, join the kde friends :)
[18:33] <johnny77> aveilleux: I'm just super new to Ubuntu. I like it a lot, but still a lot that is different from what I'm used to.
[18:34] <starcraftman> johnny77: old windows user huh?
[18:34] <starcraftman> I know what ya mean, took me a while too. :)
[18:34] <aveilleux> johnny77: That's the great part about Linux: If you don't like something you can always change it@
[18:34] <johnny77> Starcraftman: I have a dual boot. I like Ubuntu more, but there is a couple programs I need that are windows only.
[18:35] <johnny77> aveilleux: ask someone to help me change it.... not good with the code stuff. :)
[18:35] <starcraftman> johnny77: I know exactly what you mean.
[18:35] <starcraftman> My machines still got old xp on it for my needs, like gaming.
[18:36] <starcraftman> WINE works remarkably well with anything not released current year.
[18:36] <starcraftman> Say microsoft 2003/7 for instance. Mostly working I believe.
[18:37] <starcraftman> johnny77: http://linuxappfinder.com/ < Great site for finding equivalents.
[18:37] <Lazyvee> hello everyone! i would like to uninstall ubuntu (dual book with xp) from my oldest laptop (and still keep it on my newest PC). How can I uninstall Ubuntu while keeping my XP partition?
[18:37] <starcraftman> afternoon Lazyvee.
[18:38] <Lazyvee> hello starcraftman
[18:39] <johnny77> starcraftman: thanks for the link.
[18:39] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: well you don't really uninstall an OS. If you got your old Windows disc pop that in and tell it to repair the system, Windows considers the boot manager GRUB to be breakage I guess you could say.
[18:40] <starcraftman> Then I'd just use a partitioning tool like gparted to release the disc back to windows.
[18:40] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: I dunno how experience you are, do you need more explanation?
[18:41] <Lazyvee> so if I use the XP recovery tool it will remove grub and ubuntu and i'll keep XP with all the data I've got?
[18:42] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: Hold on a second, I didn't say that. I said the disc would restore windows boot manager to the mbr of your disc. It won't delete the partitions Ubuntu made to install. Usually just a root partition and a swap one.
[18:42] <starcraftman> To do that you'd have to use a partitioner like gparted from a live CD session.
[18:43] <starcraftman> Any data on your linux partitions should be backed up manually prior to deletion.
[18:43] <starcraftman> No magic automation yet when it comes to OSes, well I guess maybe Mac. But it cheats by having few platforms to support.
[18:44] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: Know how to use gparted?
[18:44] <Lazyvee> So wall I should do is use gparted in Ubuntu to remove the Ubuntu partition?
[18:44] <Lazyvee> all*
[18:46] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: well no, you can't use gparted while your booted into Ubuntu to remove the partition your booted to. Consider for a moment. You restore your windows boot manager first then boot to a live session and use gparted.
[18:46] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/documentation.php
[18:47] <starcraftman> See that page for documentation, specifically you'd delete the root and swap partitions then resize the windows ones with the added space.
[18:47] <Lazyvee> gparted from a live cd or live usb after restoring windows boot manager
[18:47] <starcraftman> Like all partitioning backup any critical data.
[18:47] <Lazyvee> checking the page, thanks
[18:47] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: That includes backing up critical stuff on the windows partition, if you add data to it your modifying.
[18:48] <starcraftman> Alternatively, you could just make a new ntfs partition in the freed space, saves time and risk.
[18:49] <Lazyvee> well, if it saves time and risk maybe I should make a new ntfs partition (still with gparted I suppose?)
[18:49] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: If there's any other questions, ask before doing, modifying partitions isn't dangerous but can fail.
[18:50] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: Aye, you'd just delete the root/swap partition and hit create new partition. See respective html pages on that link.
[18:51] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: just remember to keep one linux install around :)
[18:51] <Lazyvee> I'll read carefully before trying anything. Thanks for the advice starcraftman!
[18:52] <starcraftman> Lazyvee: no problem, linux comes with friendly support :)
[18:52] <Lazyvee> linux is the future :-)
[18:53] <Lazyvee> thanks again and i'll come back asking more questions if need be hehe
[18:54] <starcraftman> aveilleux: still got what it takes :)
[18:55] <aveilleux> starcraftman: Of course you do, Master
[18:55] <starcraftman> aveilleux: lol
[18:55] <starcraftman> aveilleux: next I'll be talking backwards, so I will.
[18:57] <aveilleux> :|
[18:57] <aveilleux> "Talking backwards, next I will."
[19:03] <starcraftman> aveilleux: what? Correcting the mentor? That's 10 extra laps.
[19:04] <aveilleux> :(
[19:04] <starcraftman> Around what, now that's the question.
[19:04]  * aveilleux gets going :<
[19:04] <starcraftman> hehe
[19:04] <starcraftman> oh alright, I'll put you on probation this time.
[19:04] <starcraftman> :)
[19:04] <aveilleux> Yaaay
[19:05] <starcraftman> aveilleux: I'm too easy, lucky ya didn't get paultag :)
[19:06] <aveilleux> starcraftman: That I am
[19:06]  * starcraftman puts on disguise in case paul is about.
[19:06] <paultag> starcraftman, WOT
[19:06]  * starcraftman runs away.
[19:06] <paultag> starcraftman, I'm not easy at all. I'm a bastard in fact
[19:06]  * starcraftman codes a php shield of +5.
[19:07] <starcraftman> paultag: We love ya still :)
[19:07] <starcraftman> In the purely normal way.
[19:07] <paultag> haha
[19:10] <owners4life5> hello everyone (:
[19:10] <bioterror> hi
[19:10] <neriukas> hi
[19:11] <suprengr> sorry for all the join/quit just now... major trouble with xchat (now sorted)
[19:12]  * starcraftman waves at new people.
[19:12] <starcraftman> suprengr: sokay, we are a support channel, that's what we're here for.
[19:13] <owners4life5> *wave*
[19:13] <suprengr> starcraftman, ;)
[19:23] <hobgoblin> starcraftman: stop with the waving people will think you care
[19:24] <aveilleux> He doesn't D:
[19:24] <aveilleux> doesn't?*
[19:25] <hobgoblin> and if you think paultag is a bastard - have any of his padawans changed their name or ran away to be never heard of again :)
[19:26] <paultag> Humm
[19:26] <paultag> I think so
[19:26] <paultag> ZachK_ vanished
[19:26] <paultag> and this zkrisse guy showed  up
[19:26] <hobgoblin> not counts
[19:26] <hobgoblin> :)
[19:26] <paultag> the-stace
[19:27] <hobgoblin> and my name change and ran away were 2 people
[19:27] <hobgoblin> oh - not seen her for a long long time
[19:27] <paultag> homegirl ran away
[19:27] <hobgoblin> my son did
[19:27] <hobgoblin> :)
[19:28]  * hobgoblin wins
[19:28] <hobgoblin> he did come back though ...
[19:34] <suprengr> my boomerang won't come back.. does that count?
[19:39] <hobgoblin> suprengr: possibly not :)
[19:39] <suprengr> hobgoblin: :(
[20:39] <Mjiig> hello, i was mucking about with a spare usb drive and dd and now the drive won't mount, boot or show up in gparted. however it does show up properly in fdisk
[20:40] <stlsaint> Mjiig: sounds like you borked probably allocation table
[20:40] <stlsaint> maybe...i dunno
[20:40] <Mjiig> could i get it to a state where gparted will open with it using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb ?
[20:40] <stlsaint> Mjiig: are you able to format it using disk utility?
[20:41] <Mjiig> i haven't tried
[20:41] <Mjiig> one min
[20:42] <suprengr> Sorry to interrupt but I have man-flu & have just realised: I'm currently like a windoze app: a danger when on public roads and liable to infect anyone I have contact with
[20:42] <stlsaint> o_O
[20:42] <|friTTe|> omg like 28days later
[20:42] <|friTTe|> *hides*
[20:43] <stlsaint> phillw: ping
[20:44] <Mjiig> stlsaint: thanks a lot, i should have thought of that myself :)
[20:44] <phillw> stlsaint: you called, my Lord?
[20:45] <|friTTe|> hey guys beware...theres zombie flu in here
[20:45]  * suprengr hides from self
[20:46] <|friTTe|> starting to feel like eating raw meat
[20:47] <suprengr> .......yummmmmmmmm
[20:48] <|friTTe|> might zombiewalk down to the neighbour and eat their pitbull
[21:02] <latenitess> Hi folks, Is there a way to build a USB-pendrive with linux on it that has a CUSTOM Kernel?
[21:06] <stlsaint> latenitess: yea, the same way you would add any custom kernel
[21:07] <bioterror> latenitess, I would install that linux from CD to usb stick
[21:07] <bioterror> I've had always problems with upgrading kernels on casper based pendrives
[21:08] <stlsaint> yea your gonna run into some problems im sure
[21:08] <latenitess> stlsaint, whats with /lib/modules/$(uname -r ... how would I put that into the readonly filesystem?
[21:08] <latenitess> never did that before
[21:08] <stlsaint> cant help ya there buddy
[21:09] <latenitess> stlsaint, what did you mean by "the same way"...can you descibe what you ment?
[21:11] <latenitess> or an aotehr ways: can I make my current system into a live usb stick?
[21:11] <stlsaint> latenitess: i would suggest you install the distro you want to use to a partition and build your kernel, the install onto usb
[21:11] <bioterror> why you want custom kernel?
[21:11] <bioterror> if I may ask
[21:12] <latenitess> bioterror, I need some modules build IN and mmost distros dont offer them
[21:14] <latenitess> stlsaint, OK I have partition with the distribution II want and the custom kenrel , too. It s my DEsktopPC I am sitting in front of. How do I get it to USB?
[21:16] <stlsaint> latenitess: you use remastersys to make a iso of the distro and install it to usb
[21:17] <latenitess> stlsaint, I dont have remastersys...I am on gentoo here
[21:17] <stlsaint> latenitess: you will have to go to remastersys web page and add ppa
[21:17] <stlsaint> oh gentoo
[21:18] <stlsaint> hrm, that maybe different, i am unaware of how to use gentoo in this situation
[21:18] <stlsaint> maybe the gentoo irc folks can better assist
[21:19] <latenitess> stlsaint, ok ill go there. thank you for your help :)