[04:21] <psusi> cjwatson, we're still using gparted 0.6.2 and 0.6.4 is out and fixes the long standing bug with dmraid disks.  Would it help if I were to get 0.6.4 built and tested and request a merge, or does debian need to update first?
[05:10] <vish> oubiwann¦ hi, i see a lot of UDS sessions for gestures, they all seem to be about multi-touch... is anyone looking into triggering some of those gestures with mouse/touchpad?
[05:10]  * vish not volunteering .. ;)
[05:13] <wgrant> vish: Note that some newer touchpads are multitouch.
[05:14] <vish> yea
[05:15] <vish> but some of the basic swipe gestures, could be tried with holding one of the buttons or both
[05:15] <vish> there is a Firefox extension which does that..
[09:24] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: could you remove pyclamd and pyexiv2 from MoM?
[11:10] <kalkin-> hi
[11:11] <kalkin-> can perhaps ubuntu compile php5 with --with-curlswrappers ?
[11:11] <kalkin-> it would be really helpfull
[11:11] <ari-tczew> kalkin-: file a bug, developers will review your request. it will be approved or declined
[11:24] <kalkin-> ari-tczew: where should i file it?
[11:24] <kalkin-> i have no idea about ubuntu developer stuff
[11:24] <ari-tczew> kalkin-: on launchpad/ubuntu to php5?
[11:25] <kalkin-> k, i can google launchpad
[11:25] <kalkin-> normally i use gentoo on servers :)
[11:25] <ari-tczew> kalkin-: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bugs
[11:25] <kalkin-> thanks
[11:26] <kalkin-> i will do it
[11:26] <kalkin-> but another question
[11:26] <kalkin-> i'm build php *.deb packages from source
[11:26] <kalkin-> i checked out with apt-get source php5
[11:26] <kalkin-> installed all dependencies
[11:26] <kalkin-> changed debian/rules to contain the --with-curlwrappers
[11:27] <kalkin-> but when i'm running sudo dpkg-buildpackage -j16 i get the following error
[11:27] <kalkin-> http://nopaste.info/701d703bf6.html
[11:28] <kalkin-> i build like this php packages for ubuntu php5-5.2 and it worked
[11:28] <kalkin-> but with php5.3 it doesn't work
[11:28] <kalkin-> anymore
[11:28] <kalkin-> becuase the build process fails
[11:31] <kalkin-> any idea?
[11:33] <sladen> kalkin-: that's only a partial log
[11:34] <kalkin-> sladen: the whole log is REALY long
[11:34] <sladen> kalkin-: first result from a quick google is  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=874013
[11:35] <kalkin-> sladen: thanks, but it doesn't really help me
[11:35] <sladen> kalkin-: right, and neither does an incomplete log file help me to help you :)
[11:36] <kalkin-> sladen: how much i want to see? :)
[11:36] <sladen> kalkin-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ shouldn't have any limit
[11:38] <kalkin-> i will just build it again and show you the whole log
[11:55] <kalkin-> filled out the bug on launchpad
[11:55] <kalkin-> how long it takes someone to react on this, and will be the switch added to current version?
[11:55] <kalkin-> fuck i just noticed i use 10.4 lts
[11:55] <kalkin-> it probably wouldn't added to lts
[12:33] <kurrata> hi, i have 2 questions. i made my own .deb file and installed it. Why i cant find it in software center as installed package. And 2nd question. How do i get that screenshot to show in software center when i am installing package? http://codepad.org/1KHsIFrm control file
[12:35] <kalkin-> kurrata: what says aptitude search $YOURPACKAGE ?
[12:40] <kurrata> kalkin- aptitude has it under unknows section
[12:41] <kalkin-> has it an i in front of package?
[12:41] <kurrata> yes it has
[12:41] <kalkin-> then it's installed
[12:41] <kurrata> hi, i have 2 questions. i made my own .deb file and installed it. Why i cant find it in software center as installed package. And 2nd question. How do i get that screenshot to show in software center when i am installing package? http://codepad.org/1KHsIFrm control file
[12:42] <kalkin-> with section you mean somethink like gnome kde ect...?
[12:42] <kurrata> i know that its istalled, i can run it it just doesnt show up in software center
[12:42] <kalkin-> in the aptitude ncurses frontend?
[12:42] <kurrata> kalkin- yea
[12:42] <kalkin-> kurrata:  and software center has no category unknown?
[12:43] <kurrata> it has only 1 category ubuntu supported nothing else
[12:43] <kalkin-> i'm not really in this gui stuff, never run an ubuntu desktop, but AFAIK is software center just another frontend for apt
[12:43] <kalkin-> hmm no idea, but perhaps some one else could help you
[12:44] <kurrata> not using ubuntu to but need to make .deb file
[12:55] <kalkin-> sladen: aehm, the output is something like 41MB
[12:57] <kalkin-> here the last 1k lines from the ouput http://files.blase16.de/output2
[13:10] <ari-tczew> doko: can we sync package python-profiler from Debian unstable?
[13:51] <ScottK> ari-tczew: We don't generally manually remove packages from MoM.  If there is something that shouldn't be there, just leave a comment.
[14:25] <kalkin-> k now i'm puzlled
[14:25] <kalkin-> how the hell are you building the php deb packages?
[14:25] <kalkin-> i just downloaded with apt-get source php5
[14:26] <kalkin-> and run dpkg-buildpackage -J16 -D
[14:26] <kalkin-> and it fails
[14:26] <kalkin-> with the same error
[14:26] <kalkin-> this way would every mainter build his package, and because there're php5 packages i think it should be build this way
[14:26] <kalkin-> *should be possible to
[15:18] <Amaranth> wgrant: Kept logging me out, filed bug 661748
[16:11] <rafaelsf80> disconnect
[16:12] <rafaelsf80> connect localhost
[16:25] <ari-tczew> kalkin-: change what you want, debuild -S, then pbuilder-dist maverick .dsc file
[16:25] <ari-tczew> kalkin-: you want change one flag, might be debian/rules satisfy you
[17:04] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: pyclamd and pyexiv2 removed, for the next run
[17:05] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: thanks! could also remove nautilus-image-converter and ilohamail? both on universe
[17:05] <cjwatson> ScottK: they needed to be removed because they were on the sync-blacklist so MoM wasn't processing them and the merges were stale
[17:09] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: nautilus-image-converter done, but if I remove ilohamail I think it will just come back - that's genuine version confusion.  why not just merge it as 0.8.14-0rc3sid6.1ubuntu1 or something?
[17:10] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: previously merger messed d/changelog :/ take a look
[17:11] <cjwatson> oh of course, it can't be merged as that version because it's less.  but in any event I can't simply remove it for the reason I just gave.  I suggest leaving the comment there and putting up with it
[17:11] <kalkin-> ari-tczew: i added my flag to debian/rules
[17:11] <cjwatson> it'll sort itself out eventually as time goes on
[17:12] <ari-tczew> kalkin-: cool
[17:13] <kalkin-> but i'm building with dpkg-builpackage is it wrong?
[17:13] <ari-tczew> kalkin-: as I said, use debuild -S for build source package, then cd .. and pbuilder-dist maverick *.dsc
[17:13] <kalkin-> i will try it after this compile run is over
[17:13] <kalkin-> ari-tczew: thanks for the hint
[17:13] <kalkin-> hope it works
[17:14] <ari-tczew> if your change doesn't provide ftbfs, it will work
[17:16] <kalkin-> ftbfs?
[17:16] <ari-tczew> kalkin-: Failed To Build From Source
[17:16] <cjwatson> category: acronyms that obscure meanings for the uninitiated
[17:17] <kalkin-> hehe
[17:20] <ari-tczew> 2 days natty opened and 150 merges reduced! thanks to all people involved
[17:24] <cjwatson> yeah, the progress is pretty good.  most of the ones I have left are in the "irritatingly hard" set
[17:25] <ScottK> cjwatson: Ah. I see.  Thanks.
[17:25] <cjwatson> it's a MoM bug of course, it should at least process sync-blacklist to the extent of removing any merges on it ...
[17:38] <Quintasan> barry: well, it builds but I'm not sure if guys in debian want this :P
[17:54] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: update: 177 the number of reduced merge since natty start. (560-383=177)
[17:55] <ari-tczew> and this number is growing up
[19:21] <rooligan> will libreoffice be included in Natty if it is stable then? Or will OpenOffice.org keep being the office suite of Ubuntu?
[19:23] <fagan> rooligan: Id say it will be
[19:24] <fagan> Libreoffice is stable BTW because its a fork of openoffice it is more or less the same code
[19:24] <fagan> so there shouldnt be anything stopping including it
[19:24] <rooligan> fagan: ok, thanks to you :-)
[19:24] <cjwatson> rooligan: see the LibreOffice initial press release
[19:25] <fagan> cjwatson: I was just about to say that
[19:25] <cjwatson> I'd copy and paste Mark's comments from that but the PDF reader on my phone doesn't seem to want to let me
[19:25] <cjwatson> http://www.documentfoundation.org/pdf/tdf_release.pdf, anyway
[19:26] <rooligan> cjwatson: thank you!
[19:26]  * nigelb helps
[19:26] <nigelb> "               Office productivity software is a critical component of the free software
[19:26] <nigelb> desktop, and the Ubuntu Project will be pleased to ship LibreOffice from The Document
[19:26] <nigelb> Foundation in future releases of Ubuntu.
[19:26] <cjwatson> he wasn't specific about which release of course, that will depend on how things work out operationally, but I imagine the desktop team will be pretty interested
[19:26] <nigelb> There's a bit more, but that's the relevant bit
[19:27] <cjwatson> ta Nigel
[19:27] <nigelb> np :)
[19:29] <fagan> Well cjwatson there shouldnt really be anything to stop it from it from being a drop in replacement to open office
[19:33] <geser> what's the difference between OO.org and LibreOffice?
[19:34] <fagan> geser: less oracle
[19:35] <fagan> more google and novell
[19:35] <fagan> (I think google)
[19:45] <penguin42> is there anything explicitly removed from LO so that some OOo scripts etc might not work?
[19:54] <fagan> penguin42: Im pretty sure they are removing all of the old star office extention crap
[19:55] <penguin42> fagan: Ah OK, I was thinking more Java stuff - but from a distro side I guess it's tricky to replace a package if it might break some random set of users
[19:55] <fagan> penguin42: well the java stuff too I think
[19:56] <fagan> there are a few things that are linked to star office that they dont want at all
[19:56] <fagan> its probably in the announcement somewhere
[19:56] <fagan> http://www.documentfoundation.org/pdf/tdf_release.pdf
[20:05] <ScottK> I'm guessing the initial effort will be mostly to integrate the go-oo patches that we already shipped.
[20:20] <cjwatson> fagan: nothing major, I imagine, but it is likely to take a while.  OOo was a beast to package; LO will probably be better since one of their goals is to make the build saner (and they've already integrated go-oo changes to that end), but even so it's hardly a five-minute job
[20:22] <cjwatson> plus, most of our OOo packaging comes from Debian at the moment, which is frozen
[20:23] <penguin42> if they could make it build in a finite amount of space and time maybe it would attract more people to work on it
[20:24] <cjwatson> though google indicates that there's already been packaging work on the Debian side
[20:25] <cjwatson> e.g. http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-openoffice/packages/libreoffice/3.3.0/experimental/ - Rene on the ball as usual
[20:35] <Ganonkiller> i am currently trying to get my gps card to work on meerkat... its a ETAK GPS Card ET-GPS1
[20:36] <Ganonkiller> are the drivers still supported?
[20:36] <fagan> Ganonkiller: support questions are supposed to be asked in #ubuntu
[20:38] <Ganonkiller> i meant to ask if the drivers were developed for meerkat support
[20:42] <fagan> Ganonkiller: well thats something to ask the upstream linux developers we are downstream
[20:42] <fagan> so its still off topic for here
[21:03] <Ganonkiller> geez
[21:04] <fagan> Ganonkiller: I hate to be bad but thats the way its done. We dont really know everything that goes on in the Linux kernel so we cant answer questions like that
[21:06] <Ganonkiller> i just wanted to know if the drivers are still supported?
[21:06] <Ganonkiller> nobody in #ubuntu is helping me
[21:07] <fagan> then id suggest just trying out the maverick live cd to make sure
[21:57] <Ganonkiller> nothing there
[22:18] <fagan> I mean testing it out and seeing if it works for yourself
[22:30] <ScottK> barry: It would be nice if you could have a look a numpy sooner rather than later to see if we can reasonably split it or if we need to promote matplotlib to Main.
[22:35] <GoHawks> o
[22:36]  * psusi groans at the lack of documentation of the patches in lvm2
[23:04] <sanduz2> you all need to break up #ubuntu into more specific topics, the amount of people and conversation that goes there is unworkable
[23:19] <JohnPlay> hello
[23:19] <JohnPlay> how do i upgrade my ubuntu 10.4 to 10.10
[23:21] <penguin42> JohnPlay: See http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade    but please note that the right channel for support is #ubuntu
[23:21] <JohnPlay> [doko]: thanks
[23:22] <JohnPlay> i meant OK
[23:54] <psusi> hrm... dpkg-gensymbols: warning: some new symbols appeared in the symbols file: see diff output below.  it says warning, so it should continue with the build no?  but then after the diff:
[23:54] <psusi> dh_makeshlibs: dpkg-gensymbols -plibdevmapper1.02.1 -Idebian/libdevmapper1.02.1.symbols -Pdebian/libdevmapper1.02.1 -v2:1.02.55-0ubuntu1 -c2 returned exit code 2
[23:55] <psusi> what exactly is going on with this makeshlibs stuff?  it is trying to make sure there is no abi change?
[23:55] <psusi> but it looks like only new symbols were added, so should be ok no?
[23:56] <ebroder> psusi: the makeshlibs stuff is also used for generating accurate library version dependencies
[23:57] <ebroder> (i.e. if a executable uses a particular symbol, the package should depend on library (>= when that symbol was added))
[23:57] <ebroder> So you need to update the .symbols file whenever new symbols are added, so that information is accurate going forward
[23:57] <psusi> ok... how do I do that?
[23:58] <ebroder> There should be a .symbols file in the debian directory. The format should be fairly obvious
[23:58]  * ebroder doesn't have an example in front of me to follow along
[23:58] <psusi> don't see one...
[23:58] <ebroder> What package is this?
[23:59] <psusi> lvm2
[23:59] <psusi> ok, seems there are a few different ones for different binary packages it builds
[23:59] <ebroder> Right