[00:12] hggdh: Yeuch, Lucid's library said 2.8 [00:15] heh [00:22] * penguin42 is writing a LONG comment [00:27] hggdh: Have a read of my comment - I think that classifies as triaged! [01:01] getting there, penguin42 [01:02] penguin42: aye, agree [01:03] hggdh: What I'm wondering though is that if that lib was updated in lucid-updates won't everything that used it also need updating in lucid-updates? [01:03] penguin42: I was trying right not to visualise all impacts :-) [01:04] but I think all dependents shuld be rebuilt, even more since this is a weak reference [01:06] of course, this would only affect those that do call on it... [01:06] penguin42: ugh! have you seen the list of dependents? [01:07] no? [01:07] try apt-cache rdepends libwxgtk2.8-0 [01:07] hggdh: Presumably it's only programs that use the symbols that were added between 2.8 and 2.8.x that actually break [01:08] penguin42: I agree (and only the subset of those that *do* reference the symbol). But which ones? [01:08] meaning who are they? [01:09] hggdh: ping [01:09] nigelb: contextless pong ;-) [01:09] hggdh: would you still be interested in that portugese class for loco day? [01:10] hggdh: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=WXU_2.8+site:bugs.launchpad.net [01:10] penguin42: yes [01:11] nigelb: when would it be? [01:11] hggdh: It looks like bug 610975 might be the master? [01:11] Launchpad bug 610975 in pgadmin3 (Debian) (and 21 other projects) "relocation error with latest wxwidgets2.8 (affects: 80) (dups: 12) (heat: 324)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610975 [01:12] hggdh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2010-October/004992.html [01:13] hggdh: Nov 5 [01:13] penguin42: I agree it is the master [01:14] nigelb: nov 5 I will be busy (my wife is returning from a trip), sorry [01:14] hggdh: np :) [01:14] I was just rounding up the usual suspects [01:14] :D [01:14] * hggdh has been wifeless for a while, will need some days to return to normal [01:15] the house will start looking less of a wreck :p [01:15] well, yes, there is that also... [01:16] I was wondering if I just should close & lock the door to my office, but this will only delay the inevitable [01:16] so I guess I *will* organise & clean the office. Tomorrow. [01:27] hmm... text subs stoped working in mplayer in maveric? === drizztbsd_ is now known as drizztbsd [01:56] There are A LOT of old bugs (over a year) that are untouched. Should i bother with these? [01:56] To clear them up i mean [02:00] RedSingularity: you're welcome to triage them [02:00] micahg will do then :) [02:00] RedSingularity: they should be treated the same as any other bug [02:01] micahg: ok [02:39] Can someone mark the following bugs as "Low"? bug 660851 - bug 356304 - bug 345025 [02:39] Launchpad bug 660851 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update manager very slow on 10.10 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660851 [02:39] Launchpad bug 356304 in update-manager "update-manager icons are pixelated (heat: 4)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356304 [02:39] Launchpad bug 345025 in update-manager ""Changes" text can be out-of-sync with selected update (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345025 [02:43] RedSingularity: why did you try to reproduce bug 356304? [02:43] Launchpad bug 356304 in update-manager "update-manager icons are pixelated (heat: 4)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356304 [02:43] *didn't [02:44] RedSingularity: same for the last bug in the list [02:44] micahg: that report is over a year old, I am not sure what ubuntu he is working with. [02:45] RedSingularity: irrelevant, you can test if it's still an issue [02:45] micahg: with my 10.04 install? [02:46] RedSingularity: sure, or a maverick live CD [02:46] bug was from before Jaunty, probably was fixed, but you can check [02:46] micahg: ok i will give it a try [02:47] RedSingularity: also, that's not a bug in Ubuntu, we can't do anything with it [02:47] RedSingularity: the last 2 aren't in Ubuntu, only upstream update-manager and you should only triage those with permission from mvo [02:48] micahg: ?? Isnt update manager part of Ubuntu? [02:48] RedSingularity: yes, but there is the project and the package in Ubuntu, we triage bugs in teh package in Ubuntu, not the upstream project [02:49] micahg: ohhh [02:49] ok [02:49] RedSingularity: how did you find them anyway? [02:50] micahg: Update-manager bugs........oh shoot I am looking at bugs in the package itself not Ubuntu! I didnt even notice that! [02:51] now i look like a complete moron :( sorry about that [02:51] RedSingularity: you're not the first to do that, don't worry [03:14] Hey buggers. Came accross this -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/631664 -- It's filed against GNOME, but upstream GNOME passed it to compiz -- Someone might want to re-assign that off GNOME to make our data nice and pretty :) [03:14] Launchpad bug 631664 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Clock / calendar / locations applet opens on wrong position of screen (affects: 11) (heat: 147)" [Low,Confirmed] [03:14] nigelb, ^ if you have a sec :) [03:18] paultag: ugh, the open composting site is down, soo I dunno what the upstream comment is yet. [03:18] nigelb, aye [03:19] nigelb, from the comments, it looked like it was ACK'd and filed by RH a few years ago? [03:19] nigelb, GNOME filed it not GNOME [03:19] * nigelb sleep deprived and can't think yt [03:19] nigelb, no worries man [03:25] http://wulfnir.com/forums/29029/error-the-symbol-grub_xputs-not-found [03:25] upgrade 10.04 -> 10.10 fucked up my ubuntu, now it doesnt boot [03:25] with same problems as on that website. [03:26] bbl [03:33] paultag¦ done [03:33] vish, thanks :) [03:33] vish, how are you these days? [03:33] np.. [03:33] paultag¦ fine, just a bit busy :s [03:34] vish, Oh no :( -- with what? [03:34] paultag¦ i have like 1000mails to catch up with and I dont know how i'm going to :( [03:35] vish, well, avoid burnout -- you have to be able to say no sometimes :) [03:35] paultag¦ heh, i always thought wth the hell is that burnout people keep talking about.. gotta face it to believe it ;p [03:36] vish, yessir [03:36] vish, I've faced it lots, I gotta look out for everyone else :) [03:36] vish, say NO to some of it ( or pass it off ) [03:37] vish, anywho, I'll let you get back to work [03:37] vish, thanks for the bug poke :) [03:37] paultag¦ np.. :) [03:39] paultag¦ nah, sunday, no work yet.. gonna watch a movie! :D [was catching up with all the highlights in the channels ;)] [03:39] paultag¦ the tough part is figuring out who /isnt/ around for me to reply ;) [03:40] is the broken grub a known bug in 10.10? [03:41] !ohmy | yeria_ [03:41] yeria_: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [03:41] also, how to boot system with root=/dev/sda3 boot=/dev/sda8 from the grub_rescue console thing? [03:41] vish, haha aye :) [03:41] * vish confused with micahg's factoid.. [03:42] micahg¦ oh earlier.. nvm [03:45] yeria_: you might want to check in #ubuntu, I'm having an issue searching right now for bugs [04:08] good job guys, computer doesnt boot :[ [04:08] \o/ yay! we achieved our goal!! [04:08] yeria_: we triage bugs in here, #ubuntu is for support (they might actually be able to help you :)) [04:12] does Malone no longer do RSS feeds? I haven't used that for a while and now it seems gone. I can't find any mention of what might have changed either. [04:14] mgunes: you might want to check in #launchpad [04:23] mgunes: no there are still feeds -- eeebotu lives from them [04:25] hggdh, I was about to ask you how it works ;) [04:25] it seems to be a Firefox 4 issue; 3.6.x works fine. [04:26] mgunes: where are you trying feeds from, wfm on bugs [04:27] +bugs pages, bug pages, every page where a feed should be advertised. [04:28] mgunes: works for me, might be one of your extensions breaking it [04:28] micahg: could be. I'll investigate. [04:37] you guys know some good opensource workflow???? [04:39] enav, could you be more descriptive? what exactly are you looking for in a "workflow"? [04:40] workflow is a workflow... there is no an alternative name for such a thing [04:40] enav: that's off topic for this channel, maybe try in #ubuntu [04:41] here is in this channel some kind of function to look up bug entryes? [04:42] !bug vulume [04:42] enav: we triage bugs in here [04:42] and help people file them [04:42] i know it... but here is some utility to find bug reports? im tallking about this channel [04:43] enav: not by name, if you know the number, you can /msg ubot2 bug number [04:43] i don't know the exact name but i guess is irc commands or bots [04:43] ok i see [04:44] so far only numbers i guess [04:56] Hey anybody know if the "opinion" status is still an option for non-maintainers/ubuntu bug control? [04:56] rusivi: but it should be used only by maintainers in Ubuntu [04:56] oops, meant to start that with idk [04:56] rusivi: what bug #? [04:57] well I am just asking no bug in particular at this point [04:57] k [04:58] Is this project/partner repo dependent or is this blanket across Launchpad? [04:58] rusivi: ? [04:58] opinion is on all projects AFAIK [05:04] Just inquiring, regarding bug 624900 for example, this is considered settled. Pretend I thought it was something that I thought was "opinion" with good reason(s), instead of "won't fix", at this time I do not have that option if I wanted to do so... [05:04] Launchpad bug 624900 in wine (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Authbind not binding WINE to 127.0.0.1:895 - WINE does not support LD_PRELOAD (affects: 1) (heat: 72)" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624900 [05:05] Seemed that is the "new normal" for launchpad?! [05:05] maintainers have final say, tough turkletons. [05:05] :p [05:06] rusivi: right, not your choice, it's up to the maintainer if they feel it needs more discussion (opinion) or won't fix [05:06] micahg: fair enough. Just wanted to clarify. [05:06] 'Opinion' is like saying "Wont Fix" but without the pleasures of getting flamed for wont-fixing it.. so its just less fun ;) [05:09] So if a community member wanted to dispute a maintainer's chosen action of "won't fix" their primary method of dispute is the bug itself/IRC/E-Mailing maintainer directly? [05:12] its like complaining about the neighbour's garden being unkept or whatever, ultimately its the owner's [maintainer's] choice, how/where to bring a discussion depends on maintainer's workflow [05:12] you could comment on the bug, you coul email the developer/maintainers ML [05:13] vish: oh ok, I have noticed that community members post a forum link in the bug itself in efforts to continue the discussion instead of filling up the bug directly, another reason for my asking. [05:13] but -- basically -- if I am the developer of a package, and decide not to do whatever it is that was asked, this is my decision, and (until I change my views) final [05:14] of course, there is always the option of a fork [05:14] yea! its my garden! get off my lawn! [05:14] ;p [05:14] not really this way... [05:14] :-) [05:14] rusivi¦ thats one way we divert discussions.. [05:15] some bugs have more than 600 comments :s [05:16] rusivi: bugs are for tecnnical issues. Discussions about decisions are not really a bug, but a community issue [05:16] rusivi¦ also, sometimes if upstream does not want to fix a bug, and Ubuntu wants to fix it, we make the change in the distribution [05:17] that too depends on very much on the bug in question [05:17] vish: I have noticed cases where upstream say's won't fix, and Ubuntu fixes it [05:19] yes, it happens. This creates a delta, though. [05:21] rusivi¦ yup, there are often reasons for that, Ubuntu we try to be an user-friendly distro and try to avoid a few hurdles, but often we try to fix it in a way upstream would like it too [05:21] and if upstream likes our changes, they have a second look at the issue [05:22] vish: I have found Ubuntu to be excellent so far in working together with partner communities and finding amicable resolution for all/high majority involved. [05:23] yes, we try hard. This is the whole idea, improve for all. Sometimes it is difficult, most of the times is non-controversial [05:23] rusivi¦ so that means you are not switching to fedora? ;) [i havent visited your lp page in a while, so not sure you have updated it or not :) ] [05:25] vish: I did take it down, but was very salty at the time about a few things I misunderstood. It's cleared up now, all the salt is gone. [05:25] cool! :) [05:26] vish: but along that same tenor, Red Hat does regulate well on bugs ;) [05:26] heh. Sort of. There is Fedora, and there is RH [05:26] * vish doesnt know ;) [05:27] RH seems to be getting back to its roots, but Fedora is still (in my view) a testbed for RH [05:27] I've had Red Hat devs regulate quickly on Fedora bugs the few times I used their tracker. I was very impressed. [05:27] well, until you get to a bug that is RH-restricted [05:27] rusivi¦ its more about volume, IMO, they have lesser volume ;) [05:28] they've also had a little more time to improve their processes [05:28] and I have gotten across some... that would (perhaps) be interesting for all in the FLOSS arena [05:28] but if you are not RH, you do not have access to such bugs [05:29] hggdh: Yes, regarding RH bugs, it's RH-subscribers only, same with the knowledge base. [05:29] (IBM used to have something similar to this, but they used to classify the comments, not the whole bug) [05:30] rusivi: yes. OTOH, the majority of our bugs are publicly-accessible. [05:31] hggdh: The public-accessibility is what makes Launchpad the pinnacle bug tracker that many other trackers could benefit from by further emulating. [05:32] yes, I agree. [05:34] Switching topics real quick, one thing that Launchpad leaves to be desired is fighting the "dev's got it" mentality. I've found as an aspiring FOSS dev that when I create bugs, I am looking for the dev's to give me tasks to do, as I do not know how to proceed in fixing it myself. Yes, one could retort, "ask in IRC, shoot maintainer E-Mail, etc." but if I don't have that kind of access/time and the bug tracker is my primary communic [05:34] ation platform, I find myself in somewhat of a lurch... [05:36] rusivi: I don't think that's the purpose of a bug tracker [05:37] indeed. There are dev MLs, and IRC channels for that [05:38] but -- and this is really important -- it usually pays for a "new kid on the block" (from a dev's warped POV) to sign up for the MLs, IRC channels, and lurk for a while [05:39] this will give one a feeling of how they manage the project, which can help a lot to minimise misunterstandings [05:39] as I (like to) say, when you enter a city, abide by its rules [05:40] when in rome [05:41] do as romans... [05:41] :-) [05:41] yes [05:42] hggdh: Yes, it is understood and agreed that the way things traditionally go in FOSS development, is to do exactly what your suggesting. I'm looking at it from a more "Google" mentality of information, give me what I want, when I want, don't make me dig. [05:52] heh. It is not a bad idea, at all. The problem is not always we get what we want/need [05:52] * hggdh remembers an old song from the Rolling Stones [05:54] A great example of what satisfies my desire in bridging the gap between newb & pro dev is the "download the presentation" regarding the recent Ubuntu Hardware Summit http://www.ubuntu.com/uhs2010 this is THE most explicit expose on "A day in the life of a pro FOSS dev." While I did not understand most of the technical information, it really gets the heart of what I am talking about. [05:56] yes [06:08] * hggdh wonders why people cannot *read* the instructions on how to apply to bugsquad or bugcontrol :-( [06:08] ah well. This is it. good night, everybody. [06:19] Regarding bug 605141 I honestly do not expect the maintainer to apply a patch to the lower version of WINE, as well I do not intend to apply a patch either (I don't have anywhere near the time/skills)... seems this is a bug that should be in the opinion state. [06:19] Launchpad bug 605141 in wine1.2 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "iTunes 7.7.1.11 downloading hangs in Wine (affects: 1) (heat: 42)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605141 [06:19] with low importance [06:32] hello, could some UNE expert explain this ?https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/518242 thanks [06:32] Launchpad bug 518242 in ubuntu "Unable To Display Auto Wallpaper Changer In 9.10 UNR / 10.04 UNE Alpha 2 ONLY : Toshiba NB 200 / 205 (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Incomplete] [06:42] hggdh, hey, my bugsquad-mentorship membership is about to expire, but id still like to be mentored :) [06:44] vish, ^^^^ [07:00] nisshh¦ when? [07:00] nisshh¦ hurry up and become BC already! [07:00] ;p [07:02] nisshh¦ how many bugs have you triaged till now? if have some understanding about the importances/statses apply for BC.. :) [07:06] s/some/good/ [07:06] need to file bug for oo word. whats the package name please? [07:07] AbhiJit: openoffice.org-writer [07:07] rusivi, ok [07:07] AbhiJit: When you do file it plz let me know, I like to keep up on the OOo bugs [07:07] :) [07:08] rusivi: you should subscribe to the source package then [07:08] micahg: I said like, not love :p [07:08] :D [07:08] rusivi: you can filter and read what you want :P [07:10] rusivi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/662021 [07:10] Launchpad bug 662021 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) "Open Office writer cant support ₹ (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [07:11] vish, ^^ [07:12] i have account in oo bugzilla. please guide me for upstream linking. rusivi [07:14] AbhiJit: Well I'll warn you based on my OOo upstream dealings they will most likely try to newb you on this one, asking you to install newest OOo... [07:14] :o [07:14] :( [07:15] ok [07:16] can anyone mark it as confirm and set importance? [07:16] libreoffice will hopefully fix that [07:16] micahg: I am glad you mentioned that b/c I have noticed the schism of OOo, libreoffice, & Novell's version OO-something [07:17] AbhiJit: I have OOo Writer now let me check it out real quick [07:17] rusivi: well, go-oo will probably start sourcing from lbreoffice [07:17] yah [07:18] micahg: It seemed strange to me that the PDF import function was not native in OOo Draw, instead I had to install it as a "plug-in" [07:18] micahg: or having that function native in OOo Writer [07:19] rusivi: that's a dsitro thing [07:20] rusivi, i just found out that i can copy paste the rupee symbol from gedit to oo word [07:20] vish, sorry i was afk for a sec there, i have not done very many so far (maybe 8-10) but i have been busy with other projects :) [07:21] vish, i don't wish to apply for BC yet, i do not think i have enough experience [07:21] vish, i plan to get back into triaging a bit later this year [07:23] i filed it upstream [07:23] http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=115094 [07:23] OpenOffice.org bug 115094 in Word processor "Open Office writer cant support ₹" [Feature,Unconfirmed: ] [07:23] nisshh¦ hmm, well if you are not planning on triaging for a while now, its better to not block kermiac.. [07:23] nisshh¦ that is a very busy time slot and there are others waiting [07:23] the three waiting are from tht slot [07:23] AbhiJit: I'll gentlemen's bet you that the upstream bug get's closed within 2 days as invalid :D [07:24] :( [07:24] nisshh¦ maybe re-applying when you are free for triaging would be good too [07:24] AbhiJit: I'm jk'ing around btw [07:24] brb [07:24] vish, waiting for mentors? [07:24] yup [07:24] i see [07:25] vish, do you think it is worth getting my mentors thoughts on if i am ready for BC or just no mentor and whatnot? [07:25] nisshh¦ yes, sure.. [07:26] vish, by a while, i mean a couple of weeks [07:26] vish, just have to get 2 projects out the way first [07:27] nisshh¦ np.. but just that everyone applying seems to be from the US slot and we can atleast try to get those free into BC when they are free ;) [07:27] vish, what kind of knowledge would i need to be accepted into BC anyway? i thought i needed to be a fairly experienced triager? [07:28] vish, ah i see [07:28] nisshh¦ btw, you had 3months ;) [07:28] vish, true, i did have 3 months [07:28] nisshh¦ if you have atleast 5bugs you think you have triaged well, you can just apply.. but do ask kermiac's opinion [07:29] vish, i see, ok thanks :) [07:29] nisshh¦ you know the BugControl requirements right? [07:29] its just the 5best bugs.. [07:30] vish, yea, im reading the BC page in the wiki right now [07:43] AbhiJit: As a followup to your bug 662021 the issue your bringing up is that the Indian Rupee symbol is not natively found via "Insert" -> "Special Character" like other currencies, pound, euro, dollar, etc. I am glad to confirm that. As an aside, as micahg noted in his comment about libreoffice, libre has been created to address a mega-ton of end-user issues that have been brewing for some time now. [07:43] Launchpad bug 662021 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) "Open Office writer cant support ₹ (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662021 [07:43] rusivi, wait [07:44] AbhiJit: Ok. [07:44] rusivi, i just had an little talk in #openoffice.org [07:44] and we found that i cant type ₹ in oo by using ctrl shift u20b9 [07:44] but i can insert from insert->special character->ubuntu [07:44] there is that symbol [07:44] i can insert it [07:45] AbhiJit: strange, I just looked in it in Lucid and did not see the symbol... [07:46] rusivi, see under font name 'ubuntu' [07:46] rusivi: font isn't in Lucid [07:47] micahg: Ah ha! [07:47] i have installed the font ttf-ubuntu-font-family [07:48] AbhiJit: Ah yes reading up on that font package that's what is noted via Google to install to get that symbol [07:48] hmm [07:49] rusivi, now we are trying to figure out the oo shortcut for it in #openoffice.org [07:49] AbhiJit: The issue does boil down to, why do you have to install font packages that should arguably already be in OOo Writer?! Enter libreoffice go-oo [07:49] :) [07:49] rusivi: fonts are system installed [07:51] micahg: Then why is the Euro symbol already in the Symbol area in Lucid but the Indian Rupee is not? Not trying to make this into a debate just pointing to the issue at hand regarding OOo/libre/go-oo [07:52] rusivi: indian rupee is only in the Ubuntu font at the moment [07:52] rusivi, indian rupee symbol is just introduced in this year [07:52] it was not in existing before [07:52] thas why [07:53] Ok no big deal :D [07:53] rusivi, ok tell me do you know a shortcut for any other symbol in oo? [07:53] any? [07:53] AbhiJit: I usually key-macro commonly used symbols [07:53] oh [07:54] like if I type euro then it would auto-macro to the euro sign [07:54] alpha = alpha sign etc [07:54] hmm [07:58] AbhiJit: Another thing is then when I copy then paste something into IRC I notice that box with the 4 numbers in it on the end of what I copied. [07:58] i see [07:59] rusivi: that one on the end is probably a newline character. [07:59] yah you are right atrus its new line only [09:21] hello to all, can someone explain me what means "drm: registered panic notifier", is a normal advice or what? thanks [12:51] Bug 176670 was marked as a duplicate of bug 616246 and I don't see why, so I undone it. Was the duplicate right?? [12:51] Launchpad bug 176670 in pype (Ubuntu) "pype imports old wx, fails (heat: 4)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176670 [12:51] Launchpad bug 616246 in awn-extras "ValueError in Hardware Sensors: Could not set new value of 'labels' (affects: 2) (dups: 3) (heat: 26)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616246 [12:53] no I can't either - I wish Launchpad let you comment on setting a dupe [12:55] penguin42: I thought it was me being stupid and missing something :) [12:55] xteejx: It could be someone typo'd the number [12:56] Hmm I guess so [13:05] https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/662123 [13:05] Launchpad bug 662123 in launchpad "Duplicate process should help at verifying target (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [13:05] * penguin42 just created that [13:08] def +1 on that [13:18] !info gimageview [13:18] xteejx: Package gimageview does not exist in maverick [13:18] !info gimv [13:18] xteejx: Package gimv does not exist in maverick [13:18] oops wrong window :) [13:25] hi [13:43] Hello [13:49] hi [13:50] yabruss: Hi :) [13:53] lol, I can't add photo to facebook.com by firefox on ubuntu maverick [14:02] ari-tczew: I haven't had any problems, try the simple uploader [14:09] the reporter of bug 659668 installed the mainline kernel and still faces the problem, so does that mean it is an upstream bug? [14:09] Launchpad bug 659668 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu does not suspend for Lenovo Thinkpad T500 (affects: 10) (dups: 1) (heat: 66)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659668 [14:10] devildante: !! [14:10] geekosopher, Kinda. If you get the same behaviour with Ubuntu and Upstream kernels, it means the bug is present in both places. I'm not sure it's fair to call it an "upstream bug". [14:11] so what should be done about it? [14:11] Well, it's worth noting you could reproduce with an upstream kernel (and precisely which one) in the launchpad report. [14:12] Also, if it's not reported upstream yet, it's worth reporting it there, detailing which version of the upstream kernel you used to reproduce the bug. [14:17] Hello, I note that a Ubuntu Bug is also reported into kernel.org bugtracker: may I write it somewhere ? [14:18] "Also affects project" [14:18] I don't think that happen for the kernel bug tracker yet [14:19] nigelb: it *does* happen [14:19] You can still link it in though [14:19] oh, we started having bug watches for kernel now? I thought we didn't yet [14:20] nigelb: we've had it ages [14:20] hrm, most be the importing that we don't have for kernel [14:21] nigelb: Yeah I don't think we have that just yet, a work in progress :) [14:21] s/most/must [14:21] it seems to work ... not sure bug status is updated correctly (bugzilla) [14:22] There exists a bugzilla plugin. Whether it happens to be enabled for that bugzilla instance is another thing. [14:23] grrrrrr that really annoys me when people report bugs and then not bother replying¬ [14:23] xteejx: It might be they're no longer using Ubuntu, or it's a real PITA for them to repeat the test - e.g. maybe the machine they tried it on has been reinstalled or is now running something critical [14:24] xteejx, Some people just take a while to reply. And, especially for requests to reproduce, some folk are too annoyed to respond. [14:24] xteejx: it's why auto-expiry of bugs exist ;) [14:24] penguin42: I think it's more a case they can't be bothered and peed off lol [14:24] xteejx: Yeh it happens [14:24] auto-expiry doesn't close them though :( [14:25] * persia has a couple bugs which will never get another response until they are fixed, simply because it's far too obvious that they exist from 30 second inspection without running anything at all to do more than flip it back to "confirmed" when folks ask for reproduction. [14:25] devildante, Autoexpiry doesn't help in the least for many things, but potentially. [14:25] persia: Yeah I've seen one or two like that, the most famous prbably bug 1 [14:25] Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 19 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 606) (heat: 2849)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [14:26] Anyway, we provide poor service asking others to reproduce: we should be attempting to reproduce and maintain current status. [14:26] persia: I do if I can ;) [14:26] I've been doing this long enough now lol [14:26] xteejx, I know. You're one of the better folk when it come to actually trying to reproduce though. [14:26] * penguin42 looks through his pile of bugs he's reported and finds a couple that have been fixed - yeh! [14:27] persia: :D thanks [14:27] * xteejx blushes lol [14:27] * xteejx slaps penguin42 with a wet fish [14:27] hey! [14:27] * penguin42 takes xteejx [14:27] 's fish [14:27] :) [14:29] it's nice being able to bump stuff to fix released [14:29] If only the rest of the bugs were that simple [14:30] All bugs are simple, really. [14:30] Once you get the hang of triaging, yes :) [14:47] what should happen to a bug where the package is no longer in Ubuntu? [14:48] penguin42: it should be triaged on the Ubuntu version the package is still on [14:48] devildante: The package disappeared after dapper though [14:48] ah [14:48] penguin42: then mark as Invalid, I suppose [14:49] * devildante wishes we had a standard response for these cases though [14:49] well it's my own bug report so I won't get offended by my reply [14:49] lol [14:49] sorry :p [14:50] penguin42: what's bug number? just curious ;) [14:50] bug 124742 [14:50] Launchpad bug 124742 in ivi (Ubuntu) "IVI detected a fatal error loading vcd (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124742 [14:51] penguin42: you didn't use ubuntu-bug :p [14:52] was it around in 2007 ? [14:52] bad reporter :p [14:52] Idk [14:52] don't think it was you know [14:52] ah [14:52] sorry then :) [14:54] ooh and I'm going to close bug 17551 as well, it seems to have been fixed [14:54] Launchpad bug 17551 in manpages (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gethostid in wrong manual section (heat: 1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17551 [15:10] Where should I report bugs for applications not having "Report a Problem" in their menus? [15:10] MiMe: run ubuntu-bug PACKAGE_NAME in a terminal [15:11] replace PACKAGE_NAME with the name of the application package [15:11] and is launchpad down for now? I can't open it === nekohayo_ is now known as nekohayo [15:12] MiMe: no, its opening for me [15:12] MiMe: Which is the application? [15:12] Docky [15:13] MiMe: Did you install it from the Ubuntu repos or from a PPA? [15:13] from Ubuntu Reositories [15:13] MiMe: then run ubuntu-bug docky [15:13] yeah, I did it [15:14] but launchpad is not loading [15:14] LP is fine here [15:14]