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ubottuk-rad called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()01:12
lhavelundtsimpson: eh, I'll keep an eye on him01:16
tsimpsonyou volunteer to monitor -ot? then I won't question your generosity :)01:17
IdleOnehehe01:17
lhavelundtsimpson: *shudder*01:18
lhavelundI know, I know01:18
lhavelundBut there's no point in continuing this if we can end it :P01:18
ryaxnbthere is no reason not to mention it01:37
ryaxnbit is legal, and there are many legal uses for emulation01:37
elkyhi ryaxnb. I don't trust that skirting the edges of the topic isn't going to lead to newcomers getting excited and in trouble.01:37
ryaxnbfrankly, youre stretching the rules01:38
elkyNo I'm not.01:38
ryaxnbwhat rule?01:38
bazhang<ryaxnb> shauno, do you have the mame romset01:38
ryaxnbillegal stuff is offtopic01:38
ryaxnbi stopped doing that01:38
ryaxnbi apologize for that01:38
bazhang<ryaxnb> well i can torrent you a complete set01:38
ryaxnbwhen i said that, i forgot it was #ubuntu-offtopic01:38
ryaxnbim in so many channels ;)01:38
bazhangso you were at fault01:39
ryaxnbin that case.01:39
ryaxnbyes01:39
elkyryaxnb, so go elsewhere where you don't have to worry about the -ot boundaries.01:39
ryaxnbwhy?01:39
bazhangnothing to discuss then01:39
ryaxnbi like the people here and i have no issues with the boundaries01:39
ryaxnbi promise to stick within the rules01:39
bazhangyou just broke them01:39
ryaxnband that is what i promise.01:39
ryaxnbyes, from now on i will stick within the rules01:39
elkyryaxnb, It is still requested that the topic cease in -ot and *move* elsewhere.01:40
ryaxnbelky, i am here to fight that requestedc01:40
ryaxnbthe simple sum is the topic does not break the rules01:40
elkyryaxnb, read o4o. If you're asked to stop, you should.01:41
ryaxnbyes, and i have01:41
ryaxnbyou ARE allowed to contest any ops decision01:41
ryaxnbi am contesting now01:41
ryaxnbif this fails, i will file a report01:41
elkyBazhang asked you to stop. He's not an -ot op.01:41
ryaxnbwhat exactly does that mean?01:41
bazhanganyone asks you to stop.01:41
ryaxnbno, elky asked me to stop01:41
ryaxnbbazhang wasnt even talking.01:42
elkyryaxnb, i asked you to abide by the o4o by listening to bazhang01:42
bazhang<bazhang> its still piracy01:42
ryaxnbhe wasnt even in the channel actively at the time01:42
ryaxnbthis is ridiocouluos01:42
elkyryaxnb, unless you can demonstrate that the authors have been dead for 70 years...01:42
ryaxnbyoure looking for excuses01:42
bazhangsure I was ryaxnb01:42
ryaxnbelky, what?01:43
ryaxnbyoure nuts surely01:43
bazhangsemantics. you offered to torrent a romset01:43
ryaxnbyou know that many computer  software titles have been released by their owners?01:43
ryaxnbbazhang, and i agreed to stop talking about THAT01:43
ryaxnband that many homebrew titles exist that are legal to play for consoles?01:44
bazhangryaxnb, and you've been asked to stop the whole bit. following on from your piracy talk.01:44
ryaxnband that if you own a rom, playing them has been ruled legal in the US courts?01:44
elkyryaxnb, lets put this in to a scenario whereby you were suggesting to rob a bank, and you then go "oh, but i'm not going to name the actions we'll do at the bank anymore, so it's ok to continue!"01:44
bazhangoffering to torrent them is not ryaxnb01:44
ryaxnbelky, you know what, youre being obstinate01:44
ryaxnbyou refuse to admit there are legal emulation01:44
ryaxnbi myself do a lot of legal emulation01:45
bazhangryaxnb, you offered an illegal torrent01:45
elkyryaxnb, that's not what you're discussing though. You admitted as much.01:45
ryaxnbis it or is it not?01:45
ryaxnbif you own the rom any emulation is legal emulation01:45
ryaxnbthats been proven in the USA courts01:45
bazhangryaxnb, you offered to torrent it someone else01:45
ryaxnbtrue, but i agreed to stop that01:45
bazhangryaxnb, which is NOT legal01:46
ryaxnband apologized for it01:46
bazhangryaxnb, so please drop the semantics and move on.01:46
ryaxnbNO!01:46
elkyryaxnb, the discussion you are having is about illegal distribution of copyrighted works. You don't get to continue discussing this just by saying "but I'm not naming the titles anymore!"01:46
ryaxnbelky wont even admit emulation is legal :)01:46
ryaxnbi was talking about emulation of CONSOLES01:46
bazhangthat bell wont be unrung ryaxnb01:46
elkyryaxnb, because it's beside the point here. You were discussing illegal distribution of known copyrighted works.01:47
ryaxnbNO I WAS NOT01:47
ryaxnblook at my last post01:47
ryaxnbi was discussing how well MESS emulates various systems01:47
ryaxnbMESS is legal01:47
bazhang <ryaxnb> well i can torrent you a complete set01:47
ryaxnband emulating various systems is legal01:47
elkyYou don't get to say "but we won't name the actions we'll do at the bank"01:47
ryaxnbthats not what im saying01:47
bazhangits what you said. QED01:47
ryaxnbif you have a TG16 and a copy of Fighting Street,01:48
ryaxnbplaying them is legal in an emulator01:48
ryaxnbso not naming the titles is a fine way to work within the law01:48
ryaxnbeveryone can only use the titles they own01:48
elkyryaxnb, we didn't tell you to stop altogether. We told you to move it from the channel which is trademarked by a company which would be liable for the discussion.01:48
ryaxnbon systems they own01:48
bazhangafter you offer to torrent them to someone else? not really01:48
ryaxnbliable for discussion of legal emulators.01:48
ryaxnbbazhang, just put that out of your mind01:49
bazhangryaxnb, that bell wont be unrung01:49
ryaxnbwhatever.01:49
ryaxnbi switched topics01:49
ryaxnband you wont accept it01:49
ryaxnbi switched to talking about how well MESS emulates systems01:49
bazhangnot really. you are just refraining from the blatant part01:49
ryaxnbBLATANT?01:49
ryaxnbMESS is legal01:49
elkyNo, you're trying to squeeze through loopholes that depend on us being the dullest people on earth.01:50
ryaxnbo cmon!01:50
bazhangthe 'let me torrent you some' part01:50
ryaxnbMESS has many legal uses01:50
ryaxnbi switched topics01:50
ryaxnbMESS has MANY legal uses01:50
bazhangokay then. I've had my say.01:50
elkySo you're not discussing the topic that started with offers of illegal distribution anymore?01:51
ryaxnbno01:51
ryaxnbi am talking about MESS01:51
ryaxnband MESS, has many legal purposes01:51
elkyAny further discussions of rom distribution will occur elsewhere?01:52
ryaxnbno!01:52
ryaxnboh rom distribution!01:52
ryaxnbof course01:52
ryaxnbi wont go near that topic01:52
elkyGood, that's all we're asking.01:52
ryaxnbok01:52
* elky headdesks repeatedly.01:53
IdleOnetorrenting is one of those subjects that will always be touchy. I think we should just ban the topic completely and avoid the possible illegal discussions that will undoubtedly ensue01:55
IdleOnewait....then we can't tell people to torrent the Ubuntu iso's01:56
bazhangnot that simple. the whole 040 issue goes back a ways01:56
IdleOneproblem is people who are good at arguing semantics01:56
bazhangnot really01:57
bazhangjust not worth the effort to argue round and round with him01:57
elkyThe problem is people who think rules are there to be violated, and that their impulse to do so somehow has priority in a place designated to be free from such behaviour that is welcome in a million other easily accessible places.01:58
IdleOneI don't understand why people can't just avoid topics they know will illicit negative reactions01:58
bazhangryaxnb seems to seek out the lines01:59
elkyBecause there's a branch of politics whereby people think rules are bad if they involve themselves having to exercise self-control.02:01
IdleOneWell I understand that some rules do need to be contested but there are forums for that.02:03
IdleOnehe is more then welcome to bring it up with the IRCC and CC I suppose02:03
bazhanghe was not even kicked or muted.02:04
bazhangjust a pleasant 'please stop' and "UR NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!"02:04
elkyIdleOne, well this wasn't even an operator decision as such. It was him being a bully.02:04
IdleOnewhat I mean is that if he wishes to have the rules changed he should do it the proper way. instead of fighting02:04
bazhangthere would need to be a ban in place for him to contest02:05
IdleOneI don't think I am explaining myself properly. He can always add the subject to the IRCC agenda and explain his reasons why he thinks this rule should be changed.02:06
bazhangits network wide02:06
IdleOneFreenode has meetings of some sort I am sure02:07
bazhanghe can appeal to freenode02:07
elkyIn which case he needs to demonstrate 99 years since author's death as per commonwealth copyright law ^.^02:08
IdleOneany my point was that he "fights" us and the channel rules in the channel. We just try to enforce the rules.02:08
IdleOneanyway*02:08
bazhangI'm sure they'll get right on giving a GRF to #warez-talk right after they give out those GNAA project cloaks02:08
IdleOneheh02:08
elkylol02:09
rwwelky: Don't even need to rely on the commonwealth; Berne convention is death+50, and it's signed by, well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Berne_Convention_signatories.svg02:11
rwwsomehow, I suspect he doesn't plan on emulating things from <1960.02:11
rwwAnd oh hey, I never /parted here o.O02:11
IdleOneshhh02:12
rwwok02:12
IdleOnerww: I hate to do this because like I said yesterday I feel you should be in here already but I have to ask you to please part the channel. Unless someone else disagrees with me :)02:16
rwwI can make some emergencies in #ubuntu so there's a point to me being here, if you'd like ;P02:16
* rww kids, parts02:17
bazhangaww02:17
IdleOneI like that rww, we should really vote on keeping him02:17
IdleOne:)02:17
bazhang+10trillion02:17
tsimpsonif he becomes an op in a core channel...02:18
IdleOneyou mean when right02:19
bazhangonce core is defined..02:19
tsimpsonbazhang: core channel != core op ;)02:21
tsimpsonwe have actually managed to define a core channel02:21
bazhangtsimpson, whoops!02:21
elkyHey IRCC, we found a pet, and he does tricks and he's a good boy, can we keep him please?02:21
bazhangheh yeah02:21
IdleOnebazhang: we (me and you) are core channel ops02:21
bazhangIdleOne, speshul!02:21
elkyPretty pretty pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease? Sugar on top? And sprinkles and a cherry?02:21
IdleOnecan you believe it!02:21
bazhangTAKK!02:21
IdleOnelol elky02:22
IdleOneI'll walk him everyday, I PROMISE!02:22
tsimpsonjust don't let him "go" on the carpet, or _you_ are cleaning it!02:23
IdleOneagreed but you are paying for his food02:23
tsimpsonI'll think about it if you worm him and get the flee medication02:24
elkyOkay!02:24
IdleOnedeal!02:24
IdleOneelky: he has his shots!02:27
elkylol02:31
tonyyarussoWe're not a dehumanizing lot at all.... :P03:00
elkyIt's just practice for when he actually becomes an op.03:01
tonyyarussoTrue03:02
ubottuIn #ubuntu, allguru said: ubottu: wow, that is a nice help!03:18
venilsuryaAnyone here?03:50
FlannelHowdy venilsurya, how can we help you?03:50
venilsuryaWell, I had an exchange with some people on #ubuntu-in03:52
venilsuryaBut I don't have the chat logs now03:52
venilsuryaSomeone basically said that I'm too stupid to learn programming03:54
tsimpsonvenilsurya: you should probably take that up with the ops of #ubuntu-in03:57
venilsuryaHow do I find out who they are?03:57
tsimpson/msg ChanServ access #ubuntu-in list03:58
venilsurya /msg ChanServ access #ubuntu-in list03:58
IdleOnevenilsurya: no space03:58
tsimpsonwithout a leading space03:58
venilsuryahmmm...It was one of these people03:59
venilsuryaThe entire group has been going at me if I ask a question....03:59
venilsuryaI've decided not to go there from now on04:00
venilsuryaAnyway, bye04:00
IdleOnewould surprise that anybody called them stupid, nigelb is in that channel and he is ALWAYS respectful.04:01
bazhangthe very definition of it, imo04:38
IdleOnehuh?04:39
IdleOneoh you mean nigel04:40
IdleOneyeah, absolutely an awesome person04:40
bazhangyeppers04:40
ubottuIn ubottu, pksadiq said: Symbian is an operating system06:27
ubottuIn ubottu, pksadiq said: Symbian is an operating system now owned by Nokia,Now it's Open Source ,go to http://www.symbian.org for more details06:29
elkylolwat?07:16
tonyyarussowatlol?07:27
Seeker`lolwut?11:15
topyliikonia: happy birthday :)11:31
elkyorly?11:38
elkyHAPPY BIRTHDAY OLD MAAAAN!11:38
Mamarokikonia: Happy Birthday young man :)11:59
jussiikonia: happy birthday you ald fart :D11:59
Tm_Thi kids12:00
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (^DEMOSS appears to be abusive - 5)13:07
* elky glares at ryaxnb in -ot14:19
olskolircahhhh14:19
elkyolskolirc, ?14:19
olskolirchey can i get unbanned from ubuntu please14:19
olskolircI'll be good i promis14:20
olskolirce14:20
elkyWhat did you do?14:20
olskolircnothing14:20
olskolircthats the truth14:20
persiaBefore we get too far.14:21
elkyOk, see, we tend to not just let people back in who don't understand what they did to break the rules.14:21
persiaolskolirc, Better to explain what resulted in the ban, rather than precisely whether it deserved a ban.14:21
olskolirci was having fun with offtopic and got kicked - i came back in and the channel was talking about pronounciation of words and I asked (so long as they were already talking off topic about it) how to pronounce the word linux and i was banned without warning14:22
elky!guidelines14:23
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines14:23
olskolircok ill read it :-(14:23
elkyPlease read that page while I look further.14:23
olskolirci never read it :-(14:23
elkyNot reading doesn't exempt you, so you really should read it.14:24
elkyolskolirc, it looks like you /action'd lapdancing people. That's really inappropriate.14:28
olskolircyuh elky i heard but it never bothered them before :-( i always lap danced the one who was successful for helping me but, thats not why i was banned that was part of the "kick" i was banned after that for asking how to pronounce linux and that was all i was able to get out before i was banned14:29
olskolircim new i came from yahoo14:29
elkyolskolirc, lapdancing has never been appropriate in there. In fact doing so might make the guys expect such "rewards" from girls and women who would be really upset by guys expecting sexual favours.14:30
olskolircelky, im not inviting anyone to my house - nobody would seriously think they are getting a lap dance would they?14:31
elkyOften times, yes.14:31
olskolircwell, its not my ban issue14:32
olskolirchow do i use ubottu?14:32
olskolirccan i get the ubottu commands?14:32
elkyYou can /msg ubottu14:32
olskolircwill ubottu give me the ! commands?14:33
elkyIf you would just try, for example '/msg ubottu gnome' you'd see14:33
elkyShe doesn't need the ! for PMs14:34
olskolircyay ubottu is a she14:35
olskolirci see in these guidelines not to go ! ops and i did that the other day14:35
olskolircsorry14:35
elkyYes. Is there anything else? Until you understand that #ubuntu should be treated as a professional space and that being extremely flirty or calling people women-haters to get your way isn't appropriate, I'm not sure we can lift that ban.14:36
elkyAlso, the pronunciation is oo boon too :)14:38
olskolirci meant the linux pronounciation14:38
olskolirci asked is it lie nix or lynn ix14:38
elkyAlso also, I believe even Linus pronounces it differently now than he first did.14:38
olskolircDebbie en or Deb eye an14:38
elkyDepends how one pronounces the name Ian where you are.14:39
olskolircwhat does it mean by annoying away message we have to turn away capabilities off?14:39
elkyHave you ever been in channels where people have scripts that do things like:14:39
* elky is away walking around the room14:39
olskolirci seen a documentary with Debbie and Brian but I don't remember how they said it was pronounced14:39
* elky is back from walking around the room.14:39
elkyetc14:39
olskolircyeah were not allowed that?14:40
elkyIt gets really annoying in a channel of 1500 people if everyone does it, so we like nobody to do it.14:40
elkyEven in channels of 50 it can be very annoying.14:40
olskolirchow do i turn it off in xchat14:40
elkyxchat doesn't do it by default as far as I know.14:40
elkyIf you have installed a script to do it, then you'd disable the script.14:41
elkyolskolirc, do you understand yet how to behave in ubuntu channels?14:44
olskolircbrb customer14:47
elkyI have to go to bed. I'll let others here evaluate whether you're likely to behave properly in the channel or not.14:49
olskolircyes elky im wondering when i get some more knowledge under my belt, can i participate in a project too?15:01
IdleOneI thought you had been on IRC 14 years and admined your own servers.15:31
olskolircon the undernet idleone15:33
olskolircall channels are different15:33
olskolircand i haven't even been on consistently im new to ubuntu15:33
olskolircactually on the undernet, i was on windows in movie rooms15:34
olskolircan "fserv"15:34
* olskolirc wrapping fingernails on the desk hoping for a break15:42
olskolircmannn I wold LOVE to see irc go audio/video like paltak.com15:43
olskolircsome fellas here use to run a room on paltalk15:44
olskolircaudio help, raise hand and get in line to ask your question - go into private audio/video rooms for help - paltalk just gave us guys and macintrash paltalk express a few of us are on but its not as good as the .exe download www.express.paltalk.com15:45
Mamarokolskolirc: this channel is not for random talk16:05
Mamarokcould some @ubuntu op take care of this?16:06
ikoniajussi: topyli Mamarok thank you17:34
ikoniamaybe worth setting #ubuntu-release-announce to +i17:58
tonyyarussoon a related note, did we reopen +1 yet?18:08
ikoniatonyyarusso: not yet18:10
tonyyarussoikonia: we should - the repo is open18:11
tonyyarussohttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-October/000772.html18:11
ikonia@mark #ubuntu raven_ constantly asking about cluster, nothing to do with ubuntu has been warned many times18:20
ubottuThe operation succeeded.18:20
ubottuerUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (Lymphocyte)19:50
nhandlerQuieted19:50
persiaSo, there's no live filesystem for clusters, but clusters are most definitely supported in Ubuntu, using the redhat-cluster-suite20:28
persia(probably best to send folk to -server, although folk that don't listen don't listen20:28
ubottuIn ubottu, sensisensi said: k thanks! is the the same for lubuntu and which is easiest?21:07
ikoniadid we just net split ?21:50
persiaNot that I noticed.21:51
ikoniadamn, my connection must be being a problem again21:53
elkyYou pinged out, yeah.21:56
ikoniahow annoying21:57
jpdsShould stop filtering ICMP.21:58
Jordan_Ugeorge is trolling in #ubuntu22:06
Jordan_UMKM also22:07
elkyWe'll watch, thanks.22:13
ddilingerso i22:34
ddilingerso i've reviewed the #ubuntu channel guidlines and looking for some clarification,  are /me commands directly related to topics already being discussed(the contents of a manual page)  disallowed in public ubuntu chat rooms?22:35
ddilingerspecifically topics already being discussed by the people using /me22:36
ikoniaddilinger: the fact that you find that option funny - is that helpful ?22:36
ddilingeri polietly defer to those not involved :)22:37
ikoniaddilinger: I am discussing it with you22:38
ikoniais the fact that you find that option "funny" helpful ?22:38
ikoniaddilinger: if you don't want to discuss this, can you please leave the channel and come back when you do ?22:40
ikoniathe base install is also quite a reasonable starting point, can add to it or strip it down22:42
ikoniaddilinger: I can see you active in ##linux - please respond or leave the channel22:42
ikonia!idle | ddilinger22:42
ubottuddilinger: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.22:42
ddilingerok, i can leave.  I consider my inquiry still pending as it has not be adressed by anyone not already involced22:43
ikoniautter waste of time22:44
ikoniajust asked to stop using pointless /me commands22:44
ikoniawnats to argue it now22:44
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