[01:16] <lhavelund> tsimpson: eh, I'll keep an eye on him
[01:17] <tsimpson> you volunteer to monitor -ot? then I won't question your generosity :)
[01:17] <IdleOne> hehe
[01:18] <lhavelund> tsimpson: *shudder*
[01:18] <lhavelund> I know, I know
[01:18] <lhavelund> But there's no point in continuing this if we can end it :P
[01:37] <ryaxnb> there is no reason not to mention it
[01:37] <ryaxnb> it is legal, and there are many legal uses for emulation
[01:37] <elky> hi ryaxnb. I don't trust that skirting the edges of the topic isn't going to lead to newcomers getting excited and in trouble.
[01:38] <ryaxnb> frankly, youre stretching the rules
[01:38] <elky> No I'm not.
[01:38] <ryaxnb> what rule?
 shauno, do you have the mame romset
[01:38] <ryaxnb> illegal stuff is offtopic
[01:38] <ryaxnb> i stopped doing that
[01:38] <ryaxnb> i apologize for that
 well i can torrent you a complete set
[01:38] <ryaxnb> when i said that, i forgot it was #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:38] <ryaxnb> im in so many channels ;)
[01:39] <bazhang> so you were at fault
[01:39] <ryaxnb> in that case.
[01:39] <ryaxnb> yes
[01:39] <elky> ryaxnb, so go elsewhere where you don't have to worry about the -ot boundaries.
[01:39] <ryaxnb> why?
[01:39] <bazhang> nothing to discuss then
[01:39] <ryaxnb> i like the people here and i have no issues with the boundaries
[01:39] <ryaxnb> i promise to stick within the rules
[01:39] <bazhang> you just broke them
[01:39] <ryaxnb> and that is what i promise.
[01:39] <ryaxnb> yes, from now on i will stick within the rules
[01:40] <elky> ryaxnb, It is still requested that the topic cease in -ot and *move* elsewhere.
[01:40] <ryaxnb> elky, i am here to fight that requestedc
[01:40] <ryaxnb> the simple sum is the topic does not break the rules
[01:41] <elky> ryaxnb, read o4o. If you're asked to stop, you should.
[01:41] <ryaxnb> yes, and i have
[01:41] <ryaxnb> you ARE allowed to contest any ops decision
[01:41] <ryaxnb> i am contesting now
[01:41] <ryaxnb> if this fails, i will file a report
[01:41] <elky> Bazhang asked you to stop. He's not an -ot op.
[01:41] <ryaxnb> what exactly does that mean?
[01:41] <bazhang> anyone asks you to stop.
[01:41] <ryaxnb> no, elky asked me to stop
[01:42] <ryaxnb> bazhang wasnt even talking.
[01:42] <elky> ryaxnb, i asked you to abide by the o4o by listening to bazhang
 its still piracy
[01:42] <ryaxnb> he wasnt even in the channel actively at the time
[01:42] <ryaxnb> this is ridiocouluos
[01:42] <elky> ryaxnb, unless you can demonstrate that the authors have been dead for 70 years...
[01:42] <ryaxnb> youre looking for excuses
[01:42] <bazhang> sure I was ryaxnb
[01:43] <ryaxnb> elky, what?
[01:43] <ryaxnb> youre nuts surely
[01:43] <bazhang> semantics. you offered to torrent a romset
[01:43] <ryaxnb> you know that many computer  software titles have been released by their owners?
[01:43] <ryaxnb> bazhang, and i agreed to stop talking about THAT
[01:44] <ryaxnb> and that many homebrew titles exist that are legal to play for consoles?
[01:44] <bazhang> ryaxnb, and you've been asked to stop the whole bit. following on from your piracy talk.
[01:44] <ryaxnb> and that if you own a rom, playing them has been ruled legal in the US courts?
[01:44] <elky> ryaxnb, lets put this in to a scenario whereby you were suggesting to rob a bank, and you then go "oh, but i'm not going to name the actions we'll do at the bank anymore, so it's ok to continue!"
[01:44] <bazhang> offering to torrent them is not ryaxnb
[01:44] <ryaxnb> elky, you know what, youre being obstinate
[01:44] <ryaxnb> you refuse to admit there are legal emulation
[01:45] <ryaxnb> i myself do a lot of legal emulation
[01:45] <bazhang> ryaxnb, you offered an illegal torrent
[01:45] <elky> ryaxnb, that's not what you're discussing though. You admitted as much.
[01:45] <ryaxnb> is it or is it not?
[01:45] <ryaxnb> if you own the rom any emulation is legal emulation
[01:45] <ryaxnb> thats been proven in the USA courts
[01:45] <bazhang> ryaxnb, you offered to torrent it someone else
[01:45] <ryaxnb> true, but i agreed to stop that
[01:46] <bazhang> ryaxnb, which is NOT legal
[01:46] <ryaxnb> and apologized for it
[01:46] <bazhang> ryaxnb, so please drop the semantics and move on.
[01:46] <ryaxnb> NO!
[01:46] <elky> ryaxnb, the discussion you are having is about illegal distribution of copyrighted works. You don't get to continue discussing this just by saying "but I'm not naming the titles anymore!"
[01:46] <ryaxnb> elky wont even admit emulation is legal :)
[01:46] <ryaxnb> i was talking about emulation of CONSOLES
[01:46] <bazhang> that bell wont be unrung ryaxnb
[01:47] <elky> ryaxnb, because it's beside the point here. You were discussing illegal distribution of known copyrighted works.
[01:47] <ryaxnb> NO I WAS NOT
[01:47] <ryaxnb> look at my last post
[01:47] <ryaxnb> i was discussing how well MESS emulates various systems
[01:47] <ryaxnb> MESS is legal
[01:47] <bazhang>  <ryaxnb> well i can torrent you a complete set
[01:47] <ryaxnb> and emulating various systems is legal
[01:47] <elky> You don't get to say "but we won't name the actions we'll do at the bank"
[01:47] <ryaxnb> thats not what im saying
[01:47] <bazhang> its what you said. QED
[01:48] <ryaxnb> if you have a TG16 and a copy of Fighting Street,
[01:48] <ryaxnb> playing them is legal in an emulator
[01:48] <ryaxnb> so not naming the titles is a fine way to work within the law
[01:48] <ryaxnb> everyone can only use the titles they own
[01:48] <elky> ryaxnb, we didn't tell you to stop altogether. We told you to move it from the channel which is trademarked by a company which would be liable for the discussion.
[01:48] <ryaxnb> on systems they own
[01:48] <bazhang> after you offer to torrent them to someone else? not really
[01:48] <ryaxnb> liable for discussion of legal emulators.
[01:49] <ryaxnb> bazhang, just put that out of your mind
[01:49] <bazhang> ryaxnb, that bell wont be unrung
[01:49] <ryaxnb> whatever.
[01:49] <ryaxnb> i switched topics
[01:49] <ryaxnb> and you wont accept it
[01:49] <ryaxnb> i switched to talking about how well MESS emulates systems
[01:49] <bazhang> not really. you are just refraining from the blatant part
[01:49] <ryaxnb> BLATANT?
[01:49] <ryaxnb> MESS is legal
[01:50] <elky> No, you're trying to squeeze through loopholes that depend on us being the dullest people on earth.
[01:50] <ryaxnb> o cmon!
[01:50] <bazhang> the 'let me torrent you some' part
[01:50] <ryaxnb> MESS has many legal uses
[01:50] <ryaxnb> i switched topics
[01:50] <ryaxnb> MESS has MANY legal uses
[01:50] <bazhang> okay then. I've had my say.
[01:51] <elky> So you're not discussing the topic that started with offers of illegal distribution anymore?
[01:51] <ryaxnb> no
[01:51] <ryaxnb> i am talking about MESS
[01:51] <ryaxnb> and MESS, has many legal purposes
[01:52] <elky> Any further discussions of rom distribution will occur elsewhere?
[01:52] <ryaxnb> no!
[01:52] <ryaxnb> oh rom distribution!
[01:52] <ryaxnb> of course
[01:52] <ryaxnb> i wont go near that topic
[01:52] <elky> Good, that's all we're asking.
[01:52] <ryaxnb> ok
[01:53]  * elky headdesks repeatedly.
[01:55] <IdleOne> torrenting is one of those subjects that will always be touchy. I think we should just ban the topic completely and avoid the possible illegal discussions that will undoubtedly ensue
[01:56] <IdleOne> wait....then we can't tell people to torrent the Ubuntu iso's
[01:56] <bazhang> not that simple. the whole 040 issue goes back a ways
[01:56] <IdleOne> problem is people who are good at arguing semantics
[01:57] <bazhang> not really
[01:57] <bazhang> just not worth the effort to argue round and round with him
[01:58] <elky> The problem is people who think rules are there to be violated, and that their impulse to do so somehow has priority in a place designated to be free from such behaviour that is welcome in a million other easily accessible places.
[01:58] <IdleOne> I don't understand why people can't just avoid topics they know will illicit negative reactions
[01:59] <bazhang> ryaxnb seems to seek out the lines
[02:01] <elky> Because there's a branch of politics whereby people think rules are bad if they involve themselves having to exercise self-control.
[02:03] <IdleOne> Well I understand that some rules do need to be contested but there are forums for that.
[02:03] <IdleOne> he is more then welcome to bring it up with the IRCC and CC I suppose
[02:04] <bazhang> he was not even kicked or muted.
[02:04] <bazhang> just a pleasant 'please stop' and "UR NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!"
[02:04] <elky> IdleOne, well this wasn't even an operator decision as such. It was him being a bully.
[02:04] <IdleOne> what I mean is that if he wishes to have the rules changed he should do it the proper way. instead of fighting
[02:05] <bazhang> there would need to be a ban in place for him to contest
[02:06] <IdleOne> I don't think I am explaining myself properly. He can always add the subject to the IRCC agenda and explain his reasons why he thinks this rule should be changed.
[02:06] <bazhang> its network wide
[02:07] <IdleOne> Freenode has meetings of some sort I am sure
[02:07] <bazhang> he can appeal to freenode
[02:08] <elky> In which case he needs to demonstrate 99 years since author's death as per commonwealth copyright law ^.^
[02:08] <IdleOne> any my point was that he "fights" us and the channel rules in the channel. We just try to enforce the rules.
[02:08] <IdleOne> anyway*
[02:08] <bazhang> I'm sure they'll get right on giving a GRF to #warez-talk right after they give out those GNAA project cloaks
[02:08] <IdleOne> heh
[02:09] <elky> lol
[02:11] <rww> elky: Don't even need to rely on the commonwealth; Berne convention is death+50, and it's signed by, well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Berne_Convention_signatories.svg
[02:11] <rww> somehow, I suspect he doesn't plan on emulating things from <1960.
[02:11] <rww> And oh hey, I never /parted here o.O
[02:12] <IdleOne> shhh
[02:12] <rww> ok
[02:16] <IdleOne> rww: I hate to do this because like I said yesterday I feel you should be in here already but I have to ask you to please part the channel. Unless someone else disagrees with me :)
[02:16] <rww> I can make some emergencies in #ubuntu so there's a point to me being here, if you'd like ;P
[02:17]  * rww kids, parts
[02:17] <bazhang> aww
[02:17] <IdleOne> I like that rww, we should really vote on keeping him
[02:17] <IdleOne> :)
[02:17] <bazhang> +10trillion
[02:18] <tsimpson> if he becomes an op in a core channel...
[02:19] <IdleOne> you mean when right
[02:19] <bazhang> once core is defined..
[02:21] <tsimpson> bazhang: core channel != core op ;)
[02:21] <tsimpson> we have actually managed to define a core channel
[02:21] <bazhang> tsimpson, whoops!
[02:21] <elky> Hey IRCC, we found a pet, and he does tricks and he's a good boy, can we keep him please?
[02:21] <bazhang> heh yeah
[02:21] <IdleOne> bazhang: we (me and you) are core channel ops
[02:21] <bazhang> IdleOne, speshul!
[02:21] <elky> Pretty pretty pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease? Sugar on top? And sprinkles and a cherry?
[02:21] <IdleOne> can you believe it!
[02:21] <bazhang> TAKK!
[02:22] <IdleOne> lol elky
[02:22] <IdleOne> I'll walk him everyday, I PROMISE!
[02:23] <tsimpson> just don't let him "go" on the carpet, or _you_ are cleaning it!
[02:23] <IdleOne> agreed but you are paying for his food
[02:24] <tsimpson> I'll think about it if you worm him and get the flee medication
[02:24] <elky> Okay!
[02:24] <IdleOne> deal!
[02:27] <IdleOne> elky: he has his shots!
[02:31] <elky> lol
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> We're not a dehumanizing lot at all.... :P
[03:01] <elky> It's just practice for when he actually becomes an op.
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> True
[03:50] <venilsurya> Anyone here?
[03:50] <Flannel> Howdy venilsurya, how can we help you?
[03:52] <venilsurya> Well, I had an exchange with some people on #ubuntu-in
[03:52] <venilsurya> But I don't have the chat logs now
[03:54] <venilsurya> Someone basically said that I'm too stupid to learn programming
[03:57] <tsimpson> venilsurya: you should probably take that up with the ops of #ubuntu-in
[03:57] <venilsurya> How do I find out who they are?
[03:58] <tsimpson> /msg ChanServ access #ubuntu-in list
[03:58] <venilsurya>  /msg ChanServ access #ubuntu-in list
[03:58] <IdleOne> venilsurya: no space
[03:58] <tsimpson> without a leading space
[03:59] <venilsurya> hmmm...It was one of these people
[03:59] <venilsurya> The entire group has been going at me if I ask a question....
[04:00] <venilsurya> I've decided not to go there from now on
[04:00] <venilsurya> Anyway, bye
[04:01] <IdleOne> would surprise that anybody called them stupid, nigelb is in that channel and he is ALWAYS respectful.
[04:38] <bazhang> the very definition of it, imo
[04:39] <IdleOne> huh?
[04:40] <IdleOne> oh you mean nigel
[04:40] <IdleOne> yeah, absolutely an awesome person
[04:40] <bazhang> yeppers
[07:16] <elky> lolwat?
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> watlol?
[11:15] <Seeker`> lolwut?
[11:31] <topyli> ikonia: happy birthday :)
[11:38] <elky> orly?
[11:38] <elky> HAPPY BIRTHDAY OLD MAAAAN!
[11:59] <Mamarok> ikonia: Happy Birthday young man :)
[11:59] <jussi> ikonia: happy birthday you ald fart :D
[12:00] <Tm_T> hi kids
[14:19]  * elky glares at ryaxnb in -ot
[14:19] <olskolirc> ahhhh
[14:19] <elky> olskolirc, ?
[14:19] <olskolirc> hey can i get unbanned from ubuntu please
[14:20] <olskolirc> I'll be good i promis
[14:20] <olskolirc> e
[14:20] <elky> What did you do?
[14:20] <olskolirc> nothing
[14:20] <olskolirc> thats the truth
[14:21] <persia> Before we get too far.
[14:21] <elky> Ok, see, we tend to not just let people back in who don't understand what they did to break the rules.
[14:21] <persia> olskolirc, Better to explain what resulted in the ban, rather than precisely whether it deserved a ban.
[14:22] <olskolirc> i was having fun with offtopic and got kicked - i came back in and the channel was talking about pronounciation of words and I asked (so long as they were already talking off topic about it) how to pronounce the word linux and i was banned without warning
[14:23] <elky> !guidelines
[14:23] <olskolirc> ok ill read it :-(
[14:23] <elky> Please read that page while I look further.
[14:23] <olskolirc> i never read it :-(
[14:24] <elky> Not reading doesn't exempt you, so you really should read it.
[14:28] <elky> olskolirc, it looks like you /action'd lapdancing people. That's really inappropriate.
[14:29] <olskolirc> yuh elky i heard but it never bothered them before :-( i always lap danced the one who was successful for helping me but, thats not why i was banned that was part of the "kick" i was banned after that for asking how to pronounce linux and that was all i was able to get out before i was banned
[14:29] <olskolirc> im new i came from yahoo
[14:30] <elky> olskolirc, lapdancing has never been appropriate in there. In fact doing so might make the guys expect such "rewards" from girls and women who would be really upset by guys expecting sexual favours.
[14:31] <olskolirc> elky, im not inviting anyone to my house - nobody would seriously think they are getting a lap dance would they?
[14:31] <elky> Often times, yes.
[14:32] <olskolirc> well, its not my ban issue
[14:32] <olskolirc> how do i use ubottu?
[14:32] <olskolirc> can i get the ubottu commands?
[14:32] <elky> You can /msg ubottu
[14:33] <olskolirc> will ubottu give me the ! commands?
[14:33] <elky> If you would just try, for example '/msg ubottu gnome' you'd see
[14:34] <elky> She doesn't need the ! for PMs
[14:35] <olskolirc> yay ubottu is a she
[14:35] <olskolirc> i see in these guidelines not to go ! ops and i did that the other day
[14:35] <olskolirc> sorry
[14:36] <elky> Yes. Is there anything else? Until you understand that #ubuntu should be treated as a professional space and that being extremely flirty or calling people women-haters to get your way isn't appropriate, I'm not sure we can lift that ban.
[14:38] <elky> Also, the pronunciation is oo boon too :)
[14:38] <olskolirc> i meant the linux pronounciation
[14:38] <olskolirc> i asked is it lie nix or lynn ix
[14:38] <elky> Also also, I believe even Linus pronounces it differently now than he first did.
[14:38] <olskolirc> Debbie en or Deb eye an
[14:39] <elky> Depends how one pronounces the name Ian where you are.
[14:39] <olskolirc> what does it mean by annoying away message we have to turn away capabilities off?
[14:39] <elky> Have you ever been in channels where people have scripts that do things like:
[14:39]  * elky is away walking around the room
[14:39] <olskolirc> i seen a documentary with Debbie and Brian but I don't remember how they said it was pronounced
[14:39]  * elky is back from walking around the room.
[14:39] <elky> etc
[14:40] <olskolirc> yeah were not allowed that?
[14:40] <elky> It gets really annoying in a channel of 1500 people if everyone does it, so we like nobody to do it.
[14:40] <elky> Even in channels of 50 it can be very annoying.
[14:40] <olskolirc> how do i turn it off in xchat
[14:40] <elky> xchat doesn't do it by default as far as I know.
[14:41] <elky> If you have installed a script to do it, then you'd disable the script.
[14:44] <elky> olskolirc, do you understand yet how to behave in ubuntu channels?
[14:47] <olskolirc> brb customer
[14:49] <elky> I have to go to bed. I'll let others here evaluate whether you're likely to behave properly in the channel or not.
[15:01] <olskolirc> yes elky im wondering when i get some more knowledge under my belt, can i participate in a project too?
[15:31] <IdleOne> I thought you had been on IRC 14 years and admined your own servers.
[15:33] <olskolirc> on the undernet idleone
[15:33] <olskolirc> all channels are different
[15:33] <olskolirc> and i haven't even been on consistently im new to ubuntu
[15:34] <olskolirc> actually on the undernet, i was on windows in movie rooms
[15:34] <olskolirc> an "fserv"
[15:42]  * olskolirc wrapping fingernails on the desk hoping for a break
[15:43] <olskolirc> mannn I wold LOVE to see irc go audio/video like paltak.com
[15:44] <olskolirc> some fellas here use to run a room on paltalk
[15:45] <olskolirc> audio help, raise hand and get in line to ask your question - go into private audio/video rooms for help - paltalk just gave us guys and macintrash paltalk express a few of us are on but its not as good as the .exe download www.express.paltalk.com
[16:05] <Mamarok> olskolirc: this channel is not for random talk
[16:06] <Mamarok> could some @ubuntu op take care of this?
[17:34] <ikonia> jussi: topyli Mamarok thank you
[17:58] <ikonia> maybe worth setting #ubuntu-release-announce to +i
[18:08] <tonyyarusso> on a related note, did we reopen +1 yet?
[18:10] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: not yet
[18:11] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: we should - the repo is open
[18:11] <tonyyarusso> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-October/000772.html
[18:20] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu raven_ constantly asking about cluster, nothing to do with ubuntu has been warned many times
[19:50] <nhandler> Quieted
[20:28] <persia> So, there's no live filesystem for clusters, but clusters are most definitely supported in Ubuntu, using the redhat-cluster-suite
[20:28] <persia> (probably best to send folk to -server, although folk that don't listen don't listen
[21:50] <ikonia> did we just net split ?
[21:51] <persia> Not that I noticed.
[21:53] <ikonia> damn, my connection must be being a problem again
[21:56] <elky> You pinged out, yeah.
[21:57] <ikonia> how annoying
[21:58] <jpds> Should stop filtering ICMP.
[22:06] <Jordan_U> george is trolling in #ubuntu
[22:07] <Jordan_U> MKM also
[22:13] <elky> We'll watch, thanks.
[22:34] <ddilinger> so i
[22:35] <ddilinger> so i've reviewed the #ubuntu channel guidlines and looking for some clarification,  are /me commands directly related to topics already being discussed(the contents of a manual page)  disallowed in public ubuntu chat rooms?
[22:36] <ddilinger> specifically topics already being discussed by the people using /me
[22:36] <ikonia> ddilinger: the fact that you find that option funny - is that helpful ?
[22:37] <ddilinger> i polietly defer to those not involved :)
[22:38] <ikonia> ddilinger: I am discussing it with you
[22:38] <ikonia> is the fact that you find that option "funny" helpful ?
[22:40] <ikonia> ddilinger: if you don't want to discuss this, can you please leave the channel and come back when you do ?
[22:42] <ikonia> the base install is also quite a reasonable starting point, can add to it or strip it down
[22:42] <ikonia> ddilinger: I can see you active in ##linux - please respond or leave the channel
[22:42] <ikonia> !idle | ddilinger
[22:43] <ddilinger> ok, i can leave.  I consider my inquiry still pending as it has not be adressed by anyone not already involced
[22:44] <ikonia> utter waste of time
[22:44] <ikonia> just asked to stop using pointless /me commands
[22:44] <ikonia> wnats to argue it now