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| dominicdinada | How would I install python to work with the lamp server without breaking anything, as usual google has only brought up outdated results from 4 -6 years ago ? | 02:51 |
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| dominicdinada | !python | 02:52 |
| ubottu | python is a popular Object Oriented scripting language included in Ubuntu. For more on Python please see http://www.python.org/ or #python | 02:52 |
| ScottK | dominicdinada: Python is part of the default Ubuntu server installation. So it's there already | 02:53 |
| dominicdinada | ok then i jut need to add the apache module for python ? | 02:54 |
| ScottK | If, for some reason it's not, sudo apt-get install python should be sufficient. | 02:54 |
| dominicdinada | i just read that of courst | 02:54 |
| ScottK | Should be. | 02:54 |
| dominicdinada | course* | 02:54 |
| dominicdinada | ScottK: ok here is the link I am looking at. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91101 | 02:56 |
| dominicdinada | But how should I add it to my default sites since that is outdated and my sites is alot different | 02:57 |
| ScottK | dominicdinada: The package you want to install is libapache2-mod-python | 03:00 |
| ScottK | There is also a libapache2-mod-python-doc that might help. I'd also consult the Ubuntu Server Guide (see /topic) and see if it has advice on this. | 03:01 |
| dominicdinada | how do i disable apache modules that are broken I tried a2dismod mod_pyth but restart still shows a fail and the broken packages are still there even after i just run a2dismod i see mod_pyth and still nothing | 03:19 |
| ScottK | That I don't know. | 03:22 |
| dominicdinada | a2dismod doesnt show mod_python even though i installed the libapache2-mod-python package but still nothing shows in a2dismod for enabling it | 03:35 |
| CppIsWeird | what would be the bare requirements for playing videos with mplayer? | 03:59 |
| dominicdinada | CppIsWeird: if you have mplayer you have the bare requirements | 04:14 |
| CppIsWeird | obviously not because it still tells me it cant open x11 display. i've installed xorg. is there anything else? | 04:15 |
| dominicdinada | gnome-desktop | 04:15 |
| dominicdinada | comes with it all packaged,.... While this is ubuntu typically this is for the regular ubuntu channel. | 04:16 |
| CppIsWeird | if i wanted gnome desktop i think i would have installed it. | 04:16 |
| dominicdinada | CppIsWeird: But then why install ubuntu server if you are adding all of these features that makes it less a server and more of a desktop and insecure | 04:16 |
| CppIsWeird | dominicdinada, thank you. anyone else? | 04:18 |
| dominicdinada | CppIsWeird: if i were you i would leave the server to server duties and desktop to desktop utils, and ask in #ubuntu | 04:18 |
| enav | you guys know some good opensource workflow???? | 04:37 |
| _Neytiri_ | i am haveing a issue with my network interface, its a gbic interface but its running at 100m the switch is gbic the cable is a good cat6 cable | 06:21 |
| enav | _Neytiri_: you have dual boot with winxp? | 06:50 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #487631 in clamav (main) "clamdscan clamav-daemon error" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487631 | 08:11 |
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| eagles0513875|2 | !routing | 09:32 |
| eagles0513875|2 | O_o | 09:32 |
| eagles0513875|2 | anyone know of any documentation for setting up routing on ubuntu server | 09:32 |
| _Techie_ | eagles0513875|2, routing as in routing tables, or as in setting up a server as a default gateway? | 09:35 |
| eagles0513875|2 | routing tables | 09:36 |
| eagles0513875|2 | hold on | 09:37 |
| eagles0513875|2 | !samba | eagles0513875|2 | 09:58 |
| ubottu | eagles0513875|2, please see my private message | 09:58 |
| eagles0513875|2 | !unzip | 10:15 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #662068 in openssh "Removing the offending host key when a server updates should be easier" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662068 | 11:32 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #662117 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.7.0-1 failed to install/upgrade:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662117 | 13:08 |
| kiu | hi, anybody knows if amazon ec2 instance tags are available inside the official ubuntu ami without using ec2-* tools ? | 13:22 |
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| avvv | Ugh... Just randomly clicking on a couple of php snippets put up on pastebin. Already found two of them which are vulnerable to SQL injection attacks. | 14:44 |
| Patrickdk | ya, love them | 14:53 |
| RoyK | 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD" | 15:38 |
| avvv | welcome to the 20th century. | 15:39 |
| RoyK | :D | 15:40 |
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| xperia | hello to all. i have a question related to ubuntu-server mail. i get several mails for the domains that i host on my server and i need now somehow the possibility to allow others to see this mails. best solution is somekind of webmail or thunderbird fetch and sending | 15:49 |
| xperia | okay i have found Squirrelmail. thanks a lot see you all next time bye. | 16:02 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #662202 in drbd8 (main) "package drbd8-utils (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/cluster/drbd.sh', which is also in package rgmanager 0:3.0.2-2ubuntu3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662202 | 16:06 |
| aliverius | i ve got a problem | 16:44 |
| aliverius | i installed ubuntu server 10.04 as a kvm guest with virtio | 16:44 |
| aliverius | the installation went fine | 16:45 |
| aliverius | but now that i reboot it cannot boot | 16:45 |
| aliverius | if i disable virtio for the hdd, it boots fine | 16:46 |
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| ehnde | is eucalyptus anything like xen and vmware's esxi? | 17:34 |
| ehnde | i'm also trying to figure out if UEC is something that i'd need to pay for | 17:35 |
| pmatulis | ehnde: uec is free | 17:35 |
| ehnde | << trying to set up a home lab with one machine that could run up to maybe 5 - 10 virtual machines | 17:35 |
| ehnde | ok, so it's not like RHEL's offerings | 17:35 |
| pmatulis | ehnde: you need at minimum 2 physical machines | 17:35 |
| ehnde | oh...well dang | 17:35 |
| ehnde | there are so many possible options out there...what would work best to create the lab environment i described? | 17:36 |
| pmatulis | ehnde: uec gives you a private clouse (like amazon's ec2) | 17:36 |
| ehnde | i thought i could run it all on one machine | 17:36 |
| pmatulis | ehnde: there is a hacky way to do that, even all virtually but that's exceptional | 17:37 |
| eagles0513875 | hey guys | 17:37 |
| ehnde | maybe kvm is the way to go then (for now) | 17:38 |
| ehnde | at least it's nice to know that UEC exists, that knowledge could come in handy in the future | 17:38 |
| pmatulis | ehnde: if all you want are virtual machines then yes | 17:38 |
| eagles0513875 | O_o | 17:39 |
| _ruben | ehnde: if you dont want to use the machine for anything else and do all management etc from another machine, you could give vmware esxi a try, it's a quite powerful barebone hypervizor .. if you do want to use the machine for other stuff, i'd go the kvm way (assuming you have a decent cpu with virtualization extensions) | 17:39 |
| pmatulis | ehnde: uec gives you a management architecture for rapid deployment of many virtual instances | 17:39 |
| eagles0513875 | there is also virtual box | 17:39 |
| eagles0513875 | there is new feature phpvbox allows you to access the gui from website hehe :) | 17:40 |
| ehnde | _ruben: i tried out vmware esxi, but the installation failed citing that my hardware was not supported | 17:40 |
| ehnde | i do have an amd cpu with virtualization extensions, no idea why it failed :| | 17:40 |
| _ruben | ehnde: ah yes, it is quite picky about that (as its meant for (enterprise) server stuff) .. some of the limitations can be worked around though | 17:41 |
| _ruben | ehnde: most likely your sata controller | 17:41 |
| _ruben | uec is kinda "overkill" for a 'static' setup of just a few vms. like pmatulis said: its mainly a management layer for rapid deployment of dynamic environments | 17:42 |
| * _ruben is afk again | 17:42 | |
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| ehnde | hmm...if i install convirt it installs the xen hypervisor and xen-utils | 17:48 |
| ehnde | seems odd since i'm installing it to use as a front end for kvm | 17:48 |
| ehnde | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM << lists convirt as an alternative management option | 17:49 |
| eagles0513875 | hey guys how can i fix a machine i have no network access too or kvm switch to in regards to fixing networking i know where my problem is but have no network connectivity to ssh or anything | 17:50 |
| qman__ | eagles0513875, you call someone who has physical access to fix it | 17:55 |
| ehnde | eagles0513875: you don't by chance have remote desktop set up on the machine do you? | 17:55 |
| eagles0513875 | i have physical access to it | 17:55 |
| eagles0513875 | and ehnde no :( and how can i set that up | 17:56 |
| ehnde | system > preferences > Remote Desktop | 17:56 |
| qman__ | remote desktop requires X, which is a desktop thing | 17:56 |
| ehnde | true | 17:56 |
| qman__ | not a server thing | 17:56 |
| qman__ | it also requires working networking | 17:56 |
| ehnde | if you have physical access why don't you install ssh? | 17:56 |
| qman__ | if there's no IP KVM, serial console, or working networking, physical access is the only way | 17:57 |
| qman__ | plug in a monitor and keyboard | 17:57 |
| ehnde | sudo init 6 | 17:58 |
| ehnde | oops | 17:58 |
| eagles0513875 | my server has 2 nics and i kinda had a typo with the 2nd nic :( | 18:04 |
| eagles0513875 | for some reason the static ip the server has i cant connect via ssh | 18:04 |
| eagles0513875 | cant ping cant do anything :( | 18:06 |
| qman__ | like I said | 18:07 |
| qman__ | you need to hook up a monitor and keyboard to fix it | 18:08 |
| eagles0513875 | bah and i only have one monitor | 18:08 |
| eagles0513875 | i know where the error is its in the interfaces | 18:08 |
| ehnde | it looks like virt-manager suits my needs perfectly! | 18:09 |
| qman__ | you're not supposed to hot plug them, but I've been doing it for years and nothing's fried on me yet | 18:09 |
| ehnde | makes using kvm very easy | 18:09 |
| qman__ | but if your keyboard is PS/2, you'll probably have to reboot the server for it to recognize your keyboard | 18:10 |
| eagles0513875 | its usb this server doesnt even have ps2 at all | 18:12 |
| eagles0513875 | bah this is annoying :( | 18:12 |
| eagles0513875 | only have one monitor | 18:12 |
| * Patrickdk sends eagles0513875 a monitor, I have 6 19" lcd's I'm not using on this desk | 18:13 | |
| qman__ | hah | 18:13 |
| eagles0513875 | hehe ty Patrickdk :) | 18:14 |
| qman__ | I don't have spare LCDs, but I've always got half a dozen CRTs on hand | 18:14 |
| qman__ | after already throwing the worst ones away | 18:14 |
| eagles0513875 | sucks being a student sometimes | 18:14 |
| qman__ | can't give them away | 18:14 |
| Patrickdk | just shipping is so much :( | 18:14 |
| qman__ | not worth the cost of shipping anywhere | 18:14 |
| eagles0513875 | im thinking easiest solution to drag my server back in here | 18:14 |
| eagles0513875 | fix it then put it back in my room | 18:14 |
| Patrickdk | or by an ip-kvm | 18:14 |
| Patrickdk | buy | 18:14 |
| eagles0513875 | how much are those | 18:15 |
| eagles0513875 | im really considering it | 18:15 |
| Patrickdk | not sure, I haven't looked for years | 18:15 |
| eagles0513875 | atm buying my server a ram upgrade | 18:15 |
| eagles0513875 | from 1gb to 8gb | 18:15 |
| qman__ | I was under the impression those were pretty expensive | 18:15 |
| qman__ | but you can get a USB KVM on the cheap, and some really long extension cables | 18:15 |
| eagles0513875 | ha from my desk lol all the way to my room lol | 18:15 |
| eagles0513875 | mom wont be to happy with that | 18:15 |
| qman__ | a quick search shows the cheapest at $85 | 18:16 |
| qman__ | going up into the thousands | 18:16 |
| eagles0513875 | wowie | 18:16 |
| Patrickdk | heh, i'm look at about $250 | 18:17 |
| qman__ | actually, that's just the server module | 18:17 |
| Patrickdk | much cheaper than last I looked about 1.2k | 18:17 |
| qman__ | not even the whole thing | 18:17 |
| qman__ | but you can get a half decent USB KVM for about $40 | 18:17 |
| qman__ | and some long cables at monoprice for another $20 | 18:17 |
| Patrickdk | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707162 | 18:18 |
| Patrickdk | depends on how long, my vga+usb extender was $650, it goes 300' over cat5, nice | 18:18 |
| qman__ | wow | 18:19 |
| qman__ | but yeah, you could go about 40' with a $40 USB KVM and $20 worth of cables | 18:23 |
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| qman__ | $40 of cables would get about 100' | 18:25 |
| qman__ | but long VGA cables are pretty heavy | 18:26 |
| eagles0513875|2 | now to see if that fixed it | 18:33 |
| eagles0513875|2 | yay | 18:33 |
| eagles0513875|2 | thats fixed | 18:33 |
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| ehnde | anyone know how to change channels in irssi when you are using it in a tabbed terminal? | 18:39 |
| ehnde | when i do alt f1 it puts me over to the first tab in the console instead of switching channels on irc | 18:39 |
| eagles0513875 | :) | 18:40 |
| eagles0513875 | ehndegot my problem fixed | 18:40 |
| ehnde | great | 18:41 |
| alex_joni | ehnde: my irssi uses alt-1,2.. for channels, not f1 | 18:43 |
| eagles0513875 | Patrickdk: :p poke | 18:43 |
| alex_joni | you can always say /win <nr> too | 18:43 |
| qman__ | yeah, number keys, not F keys | 18:43 |
| ehnde | oh oops that's what i meant was alt 1 | 18:44 |
| ehnde | heh | 18:44 |
| ehnde | i didn't know about /win and that will work in place of alt 1/2/3 | 18:44 |
| ehnde | thanks for the tip | 18:44 |
| qman__ | you can change your configuration to bind it to a different key, too | 18:45 |
| Belliash | hi | 18:51 |
| eagles0513875 | anyone use mysql workbench | 19:15 |
| ikonia | yes | 19:16 |
| eagles0513875 | for some reason a clean install of mysql server for some reason wont connect to my remote install for some reason via ssh | 19:17 |
| ikonia | probably because mysql root account is associated to local host only | 19:17 |
| ikonia | I assume you're trying to connect as "root" | 19:17 |
| eagles0513875 | for now till i can setup another user | 19:17 |
| ikonia | ok, so that's why | 19:18 |
| eagles0513875 | how could i fix it? | 19:18 |
| ikonia | login to the root mysql user on the localhost, and create a new user | 19:18 |
| eagles0513875 | this is the error i get when trying to connect with workbench Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) | 19:20 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: is work bench being run on the same host as the database ? | 19:20 |
| eagles0513875 | no | 19:20 |
| ikonia | then it's not localhost | 19:20 |
| ikonia | as I've explained, you need to connect to the localhost for mysql as the root user and create a new user | 19:21 |
| ikonia | the root account is bound to the localhost address/name of the mysql server | 19:21 |
| eagles0513875 | how do i do that on commandline | 19:21 |
| ikonia | the documentation is on mysql.com | 19:22 |
| ikonia | remember to flush privileges when you are done though | 19:22 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 19:22 |
| ikonia | (important) | 19:22 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 19:23 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: i seem to have a more serious problem though | 19:23 |
| eagles0513875 | trying to login via commandline and im getting this error ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) | 19:24 |
| ikonia | explain ? | 19:24 |
| ikonia | what command are you using ? | 19:24 |
| eagles0513875 | and this is via ssh on the machine that has mysql-server installed on it | 19:24 |
| ikonia | (exactly) | 19:24 |
| eagles0513875 | mysql -u root -p | 19:24 |
| eagles0513875 | to login | 19:24 |
| ikonia | is mysql actually running ? | 19:24 |
| eagles0513875 | its saying that it is cuz im setting up workbench to connect to the server via tcp/ip over ssh and ssh connects just fine | 19:25 |
| ikonia | what ? | 19:25 |
| ikonia | what's saying it's because you've setup workbend | 19:25 |
| ikonia | ch | 19:25 |
| eagles0513875 | i have purged mysql-server bout 3 times and reinstalled yet the same problem persists | 19:26 |
| ikonia | you're not listening to the questions I'm asking | 19:26 |
| ikonia | what's saying it's because you've setup workbench | 19:26 |
| eagles0513875 | be it work bench or command line i get the same error as a bove about access denied | 19:27 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: right - forget workbench, I've explained why that won't work | 19:27 |
| ikonia | there is no point progressing workbench until you can connect locally | 19:27 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 19:27 |
| eagles0513875 | what do i need to do | 19:28 |
| ikonia | what was the question I asked before you started talking about workbench ? | 19:28 |
| eagles0513875 | about the command that i was running | 19:28 |
| ikonia | then what | 19:29 |
| eagles0513875 | whats sasying its because i setup workbench | 19:29 |
| eagles0513875 | its nothing to do with workbench its somethign on the server im thinking | 19:29 |
| ikonia | no, I asked if mysql was actually running ? | 19:29 |
| eagles0513875 | and yes it is | 19:29 |
| ikonia | it's nothing to do with workbench, I've just told you that | 19:29 |
| * eagles0513875 puts workbench to the side for now | 19:30 | |
| ikonia | why are you repeating what I'm saying like you've just thought about it | 19:30 |
| ikonia | I just told you that ! | 19:30 |
| ikonia | if you can't connect to the server on the localhost, that's nothing to do with workbench and you clearly have a problem with the database setup | 19:30 |
| pmatulis | eagles0513875: output to 'sudo lsof -i4tcp:3306 -nP' ? | 19:33 |
| eagles0513875 | hold on a sec | 19:33 |
| eagles0513875 | mysqld 1647 mysql 10u IPv4 5385 0t0 TCP *:3306 (LISTEN) | 19:34 |
| pmatulis | eagles0513875: in your command, try 'root'@'127.0.0.1' | 19:35 |
| ikonia | or -h 127.0.0.1 | 19:35 |
| eagles0513875 | with which command | 19:35 |
| eagles0513875 | brb | 19:35 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: replace that in what command | 19:38 |
| ikonia | mysql | 19:38 |
| ikonia | or as pmatulis just do root@127.0.01 | 19:38 |
| ikonia | 127.0.0.1 | 19:39 |
| eagles0513875 | is there a separate package i need to install for pmautils? | 19:40 |
| ikonia | that's a username | 19:40 |
| ikonia | there is a user in this channel called pmatulis | 19:40 |
| eagles0513875 | humm ok | 19:41 |
| ikonia | ? | 19:41 |
| ikonia | he told you to do the lsof command, that you did, so you must be following/aware of him | 19:41 |
| eagles0513875 | i am | 19:41 |
| eagles0513875 | and i tried the root@127.0.0.1 | 19:41 |
| ikonia | so why have you just asked if there is a package to install him ? | 19:41 |
| eagles0513875 | and still nothing | 19:41 |
| eagles0513875 | im just lost with what you said -h 127.0.0.1 | 19:42 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: mysql -u root -h 127.0.0.1 -p | 19:42 |
| ikonia | what's the error that comes back | 19:42 |
| eagles0513875 | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) | 19:42 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: even using -h 127.0.0.l ? | 19:42 |
| eagles0513875 | yep | 19:43 |
| ikonia | it says "localhost" when you are using -h 127.0.0.1 | 19:43 |
| eagles0513875 | thats what came back in the error | 19:43 |
| ikonia | ok, then you need to start mysql with the "--skip-grant-tables" option to remove the permissions from the database, then set a new root password, re-start mysql without the --skip-grant-tables option and test | 19:44 |
| eagles0513875 | ok ill try that later going to have dinner | 19:44 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: couldnt i just purge mysql server and manually delete the user db that it creates? | 19:46 |
| ikonia | no | 19:46 |
| ikonia | you need to walk through this to resolve the issue, as you said you've tried purging it multiple times | 19:46 |
| eagles0513875 | the only thing i can think of is a corrupt user db that is being created | 19:47 |
| eagles0513875 | or that isnt getting purged | 19:47 |
| ikonia | user db's don't affect permissions | 19:47 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 19:48 |
| ikonia | I suggest you follow my suggestion | 19:48 |
| eagles0513875 | thanks for your help ikonia ill follow your suggestion | 19:48 |
| ikonia | welcome | 19:48 |
| eagles0513875 | tbh ikonia i have no idea what i did today :( it was working fine till i killed it :( came to setup a 2nd db for oscommers and everythign just broke itself | 19:49 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #662328 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.5.4~dfsg-1ubuntu8 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662328 | 20:31 |
| latenite | Hi folks, I have a Dell server with scsi controlers for the harddiscs. Ubunutu 10.10 is not showing any discs under /dev . What modules would I have to loead to make scsi work? thanks :) | 20:43 |
| ikonia | latenite: what controllers ? | 20:43 |
| latenite | those http://pastie.org/1228255 | 20:44 |
| latenite | ikonia, I realy dont know why I have 3 of them? and who is who... | 20:45 |
| ikonia | they are both well supported | 20:45 |
| ikonia | what mode are they in, jbod or raid ? | 20:45 |
| latenite | all I DO know is I have TWO hdd and ONE DAT streamer | 20:45 |
| latenite | all beeing scsci | 20:45 |
| ikonia | can you please show me the output of "sudo fdisk -l" on that system in a pastebin please. | 20:45 |
| dschuett | any reason why i should upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10? | 20:46 |
| ikonia | dschuett: read the release notes, see if there is anything you want | 20:46 |
| ikonia | dschuett: for a server, keeping LTS support in 10.04 is a reason not to upgrade | 20:46 |
| dschuett | ikonia, thanks. - just wanted a second opinion | 20:47 |
| latenite | http://pastie.org/1228264 that ONLY show the usb stick I booted from | 20:47 |
| ikonia | latenite: open the cards bio's and see if they show the disks, and what status they are in | 20:48 |
| latenite | ikonia, How would I do that? opening he bios would requiere to shut it down? | 20:48 |
| ikonia | latenite: it would use | 20:48 |
| ikonia | oops | 20:48 |
| ikonia | "it would, yes" | 20:49 |
| ikonia | sorry | 20:49 |
| qman__ | when it says "press F5 to enter RAID setup" or whatever, press that key combination | 20:49 |
| latenite | ikonia, ok that takes a minute....hold on :) | 20:50 |
| latenite | ikonia, ok firt in boot sequence is "LSI - Logic Bus Adapers" Do we need that? or next..? | 20:52 |
| ikonia | latenite: work through all 3 of them to see which one has the disks and what status they are in | 20:52 |
| latenite | ok... | 20:54 |
| latenite | let see | 20:54 |
| latenite | ikonia, man there is SOO much stuff I ve never seen bevore | 20:56 |
| latenite | dont know where to start | 20:56 |
| latenite | ...sadly I cant make a screenshot :( | 20:56 |
| ikonia | latenite: if it's a dell box, you can actually contact dell and they will walk you through the basics, they are quite good with that sort of thing | 20:56 |
| latenite | ok I see on SCSI ID #7 at slot A and B.......... and DAT tape at SCSI ID #6 | 20:58 |
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| latenite | ikonia, next iin boot sequence is RAID... here is see "Ch-0 ID-0 DISK MAXTOR - READY" for both hdd | 21:00 |
| ikonia | latenite: looks like the card can see the disks ok, that's a good start | 21:01 |
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| ikonia | latenite: the disks either need to be set to jbod, or raid mode | 21:01 |
| latenite | ikonia, in RAID setup I can switsch beween "READY" and "ONLIN" status of discs | 21:02 |
| latenite | waht is jbod? | 21:02 |
| ikonia | online is good | 21:02 |
| latenite | I want software raid1 lateron...but not by the controller | 21:03 |
| ikonia | why do you want software raid | 21:03 |
| ikonia | those cards are good cards and well supported | 21:03 |
| latenite | I might have to change hardare soon. | 21:03 |
| ikonia | ?? | 21:04 |
| latenite | ikonia, its all ne to me...BUT I HEARD taht if I use differen raid controllers then I might not get my old raid back. | 21:05 |
| latenite | is that true? | 21:05 |
| ikonia | you don't balance the raid over different controllers | 21:05 |
| ikonia | you use the same controller to do the raid | 21:05 |
| latenite | ikonia, so if I have different hardware soon my old controllers will be gone...and the new ones will/might not make my old raid work? right? | 21:06 |
| ikonia | ahh right, yes, that is very likley to be a problem unless they are from the same chipset | 21:06 |
| latenite | that s why I rather stick with sw-raid | 21:07 |
| latenite | is it that bad? to use | 21:07 |
| ikonia | why are you swapping those controllers out | 21:07 |
| ikonia | software raid on linux is very good, no problem using it | 21:07 |
| latenite | I might swat the whole box...this one is "ok" but will be replaced by a better one. | 21:08 |
| ikonia | in that senario I'd suggest either a.) doing a new install onto that box b.) copying the file systems (not swapping the disks) onto the new system | 21:09 |
| latenite | ok that "might" have beeb IT. Those HDDs never where "ONLINE" only "ready" | 21:09 |
| ikonia | those cards are good cards, it would be a shame not to use them | 21:09 |
| latenite | let s see | 21:09 |
| latenite | ikonia, If linux sw-raid is "good" why not use it...for compatibility reasons | 21:11 |
| ikonia | because it's not gaurenteed to work in other machines either, and if you've got good hardware raid controllers, why not use them for performance/stability reasons | 21:12 |
| ikonia | of course it's totally your call how you setup your kit | 21:12 |
| latenite | now I am in last boot sequence whereI can define "boot Sequence": but it only show my USB-Pen-drive...there are no HDDs to be seen | 21:13 |
| latenite | is that faulty? or OK because they are scsi | 21:14 |
| ikonia | define boot sequence ? | 21:14 |
| ikonia | what is asking you to define boot sequence ? | 21:14 |
| latenite | it like a "regular" bios now: set time, and the "order of" he devices the box boots from. normaly you set CD/DVD 1st , than HDD1 2nd, and so on | 21:15 |
| latenite | but here it only show my pendrive...no further HDDs | 21:15 |
| ikonia | I have no idea, I can't remember the bios settings, | 21:15 |
| latenite | sure :) | 21:15 |
| latenite | I ll just boot any try.. | 21:16 |
| ikonia | latenite: if the disks are in jbod mode, then you should see them in a boot menu, if they are in raid mode, then you won't see them until you build an array | 21:16 |
| latenite | ikonia, what is jbod mode? | 21:16 |
| ikonia | non-raid mode | 21:17 |
| latenite | can I do taht without "TAKING THE CONTROLER OUT" ? | 21:17 |
| ikonia | yes, it's a raid controller mode/bios feature | 21:17 |
| latenite | can I leave them on the raidcontroller usning them in ... | 21:18 |
| latenite | ooh o | 21:18 |
| latenite | ok | 21:18 |
| latenite | let me see what I did choose then.. | 21:18 |
| ikonia | it means use the raid controller as a raid card (raid mode) or as a regular disk controller (jbod) | 21:18 |
| ikonia | just a bunch of disks (jbod) | 21:18 |
| latenite | funny shortform :) | 21:19 |
| latenite | ikonia, ok booted ubuntu again and got some more devices: http://pastie.org/1228341 | 21:21 |
| latenite | how would I know if any of those are my disks? | 21:21 |
| ikonia | sudo fdisk -l | 21:21 |
| latenite | I only dealt with "/dev/sda" for now | 21:21 |
| ikonia | lets see what fdisk says | 21:22 |
| latenite | http://pastie.org/1228343 | 21:22 |
| latenite | not more than before | 21:22 |
| ikonia | latenite: thats annoying | 21:22 |
| latenite | bit I swear I did not have /dev/sg* /dev/st* before | 21:22 |
| ikonia | latenite: run sudo fdisk /dev/sdt | 21:23 |
| ikonia | oops | 21:23 |
| ikonia | sg are the scsi controllers, I assume st is the other | 21:23 |
| latenite | root@box:/home/user# fdisk -l /dev/st0 | 21:24 |
| latenite | just takes for ever...no response | 21:24 |
| ikonia | that's your tape drive | 21:24 |
| ikonia | latenite: mt -f /dev/st0 status | 21:24 |
| latenite | mt -f /dev/st0 status takes for ever also | 21:25 |
| latenite | let it run or "ctrl -C" ? | 21:25 |
| ikonia | it will do | 21:25 |
| ikonia | let it run | 21:25 |
| latenite | ok | 21:25 |
| ikonia | it's a tape drive | 21:25 |
| ikonia | I assume you have the tape drive terminated | 21:25 |
| latenite | yes | 21:25 |
| latenite | now I do "mt -f /dev/st0 status"... | 21:25 |
| latenite | is taht ok? | 21:25 |
| ikonia | yes | 21:26 |
| latenite | ok...for how long? WHAT is taking up so much time here? | 21:26 |
| ikonia | it's a tape drive, they are slow | 21:26 |
| latenite | I dont hava a tape in... | 21:26 |
| latenite | is taht ok? | 21:26 |
| ikonia | fine | 21:26 |
| ikonia | it should report back off line | 21:26 |
| latenite | mt: /dev/st0: rmtopen failed: No medium found | 21:27 |
| latenite | just did! :) | 21:27 |
| ikonia | perfect | 21:27 |
| ikonia | so you know that's all good | 21:27 |
| latenite | cool | 21:27 |
| latenite | so what are the discs? | 21:27 |
| ikonia | check the bios for the disk mode | 21:27 |
| ikonia | it's possible they are in raid mode (seeing the controllers sg0) but not the disks, if they are in raid mode, with no array defined, you won't see them | 21:27 |
| cjc | Hello anyone here good at networking please? | 21:28 |
| ikonia | cjc: just ask | 21:28 |
| latenite | ok let be get back into bios and check :) | 21:28 |
| cjc | I need help bridging two network connections please | 21:28 |
| ikonia | ok, with a bridge device, or just using routing | 21:28 |
| cjc | two networking interfaces on my local machine? | 21:29 |
| ikonia | yes, but with a bridge device, or using routing | 21:29 |
| cjc | please explain what you mean? | 21:30 |
| ikonia | you can either use a networking device on your server called a bridge device/interface, or just setup routing with something like iptables to bridge the two | 21:30 |
| latenite | ikonia, on the other hand: if it IS in raid mode...hwo would I make it see the disk then? | 21:31 |
| cjc | what do you mean by a networking device? | 21:31 |
| ikonia | latenite: you either need to change it to jbod, or configure a raid arrary | 21:31 |
| ikonia | array | 21:32 |
| ikonia | cjc: lookup tun and bridge devices | 21:32 |
| latenite | ikonia, and configuring an array would be done....HOW? in bios? | 21:32 |
| ikonia | latenite: correct | 21:32 |
| latenite | ok back to bios.... | 21:33 |
| cjc | are you talking about physical bridge devices? | 21:34 |
| ikonia | cjc: they are a physical device to the server, but not an actual device | 21:35 |
| latenite | ikonia, I can chane the disks from "ready" to "online" but the state is NEVER saved...when going back into that menu they are "ready" again....this is annoying | 21:45 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #662375 in postfix (main) "package postfix (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662375 | 21:46 |
| latenite | ikonia, is there a chance that IF I just define 2 "logical drives" and not MOZT put them in an "array" in bios...taht THIS is how I had to setup "jbod"? | 22:02 |
| === _TechAway_ is now known as _Techie_ | ||
| durbin | Does anyone know where I can grab an iso of the ubuntu server ec2 instance for use with virtualbox? | 22:12 |
| latenite | hi folks, Say what is "so special" (no offense -> I just dont know better) about a server edition ? what comes with it, and what does ot come withot compared to a regular desktop ubuntu? thanks | 22:14 |
| durbin | :latenite the gui is the biggest thing that doesn't come with the server edition | 22:15 |
| Datz | the kernel is also optimized for server | 22:15 |
| Datz | probably more changes now: http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3715071/Ubuntu-Server--Kernel-Configuration-Considerations.htm | 22:16 |
| Datz | as that is 7.10 kernel | 22:17 |
| Datz | I wish someone would do and publish stuff like that more often | 22:17 |
| ikonia | latenite: first of all, sorry for the slow response, second, I can't remember the raid card bios options from memory so can't follow exactly what your saying, third, the server edition has some optimisations in that are aimed at true enterprise hardware | 22:18 |
| durbin | in case anyone was wondering where to find the EC2 images, they are here http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/release/ | 22:19 |
| latenite | ikonia, I just made both drives "logcial" + "online" and inittailzed them. now I have http://pastie.org/1228477 | 22:20 |
| latenite | ikonia, how do I "MAKE SURE" it truely is NO raid? | 22:21 |
| ikonia | latenite: now that looks great | 22:21 |
| ikonia | latenite: the raid options are set in the card, so I don't know without having the raid card bios details in front of me | 22:21 |
| latenite | ikonia, I am happy , too :) | 22:21 |
| latenite | ikonia, well I can format /dev/sda differnetly than /dev/sdb So I "feel" they are independent ? right?! | 22:22 |
| ikonia | latenite: from that point of view, totally | 22:22 |
| latenite | so I am at a point where I am good to go... | 22:23 |
| ikonia | certainly looks that way | 22:23 |
| latenite | man thank you very much for your help :) very appreciute it . | 22:23 |
| ikonia | welcome | 22:23 |
| latenite | ikonia, can you answer the quetion above..about "what makes -server edition" so special? | 22:24 |
| latenite | different kernel config? | 22:24 |
| latenite | other tools? | 22:24 |
| ikonia | latenite: I did respond earlier | 22:24 |
| latenite | no X ? | 22:24 |
| latenite | ohh..my fault | 22:24 |
| ikonia | it's tuned to run on enterprise level hardware, it doesn't bother with home user kit like nvidia/ati accelerated drivers | 22:25 |
| latenite | ikonia, on so no X..what else? | 22:25 |
| ikonia | no X by default, lvm installed by default etc etc | 22:25 |
| ikonia | the base product is the same, but it's more usefully setup and tuned to enterprise level servers | 22:25 |
| latenite | sounds like I might want that? | 22:25 |
| _Techie_ | also works charms on hoem servers | 22:25 |
| _Techie_ | home* | 22:26 |
| latenite | any pitfalls?...I generely use gentoo. | 22:26 |
| ikonia | latenite: do you want a gui, yes/no ? | 22:26 |
| latenite | ikonia, no | 22:26 |
| ikonia | latenite: are you running on a true dell "server" platform | 22:26 |
| ikonia | or a home desktop type setup | 22:27 |
| latenite | http://pastie.org/1228489 | 22:28 |
| ikonia | latenite: that's just a list of hardware | 22:28 |
| ikonia | latenite: I'm asking are you using a dell server, or a desktop type machine | 22:28 |
| _Techie_ | latenite, hes using a proper dell poweredge server | 22:28 |
| latenite | system PowerEdge 1800 | 22:28 |
| latenite | yes | 22:29 |
| ikonia | latenite: ok, so the server install would be very nice | 22:29 |
| latenite | ikonia, _Techie_ I dont realy see the difference betwwen "server" and "desktop" box? | 22:29 |
| latenite | what would differntiate them?...cpu power? | 22:29 |
| latenite | chipsets? | 22:29 |
| _Techie_ | all sorts of different things | 22:30 |
| _Techie_ | cache, hard drive speed | 22:30 |
| _Techie_ | redundancy | 22:30 |
| latenite | they are all differnt from box to box...no matter if server or desktop | 22:30 |
| _Techie_ | efficiency | 22:30 |
| ikonia | latenite: the hardware in them is quite different | 22:30 |
| ikonia | latenite: hence why a server class raid card is $800 and a home desktop has one built into it's motherboard | 22:30 |
| martin- | even mdadm beats built-in/fakeraid | 22:31 |
| latenite | ikonia, oh ok so it all about "what hardware" is build into the bos? like that? | 22:31 |
| ikonia | martin-: by a mile | 22:31 |
| ikonia | latenite: part of it | 22:31 |
| latenite | ....in the end ALL hardware is supported (or saadly not ..) by the kernel.... I still dont see the diff? | 22:32 |
| _Techie_ | i gotta start shifting my computer, seeya tonight | 22:32 |
| latenite | _Techie_, thanks... bye :) | 22:32 |
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| latenite | ikonia, to me ot s all about what is supported by the kernel ..and how powerfull the hardware is. | 22:33 |
| latenite | these two parameters....are both to be found in "servers" + "desktops" | 22:33 |
| ikonia | latenite: nothing to do with "power" although things like large memory support is enabled | 22:34 |
| latenite | ...I dont mean to stess...but I dont see the difference | 22:34 |
| latenite | Ok so in the end ist just about "tuning"....any linux with the right kernelconfig anf tools will do | 22:35 |
| latenite | right? | 22:35 |
| ikonia | yes | 22:35 |
| latenite | serveredition make it more convinient | 22:35 |
| latenite | so why not use it?...I ll try it! :) | 22:35 |
| ikonia | look at RHEL, it's the same product on the desktop and server, it's setup very different though and has a different set of kernel options, but it makes them behave quite different | 22:35 |
| latenite | sure...good example :9 | 22:37 |
| latenite | I could do a "lfs" and and up with a propper server as wel..it all about how much "finetuning" i want? | 22:37 |
| latenite | like that? | 22:38 |
| latenite | is there a link that tell s me more about ubuntu-server edition? | 22:38 |
| ikonia | latenite: how is lfs more of a proper server than ubuntu server ? | 22:38 |
| latenite | ikonia, not at all... they are the same to me | 22:39 |
| ikonia | ok | 22:39 |
| latenite | onewth more work to do... | 22:39 |
| latenite | in the end the result in the system "I" want... | 22:40 |
| latenite | So I just wonder how much work is taken of my hand when choosing ubuntu server... | 22:40 |
| latenite | compared to my other probale choice "gentoo chroot setup" | 22:41 |
| ikonia | quite a lot, its a very sane setup | 22:41 |
| ikonia | ubuntu server takes about 15 minutes to install, you do the maths | 22:41 |
| latenite | ikonia, if I was not concerned about time....ONLY results (which I realy am *not*) is there anything ubunut does better or differnt than others? | 22:42 |
| ikonia | latenite: not really, somethings better, some things worse than others, at the heart all distros are the same product | 22:43 |
| latenite | ikonia, I realy like gentoo (on big dislike is compile time)...but I am also very temptetd to try ubuntu | 22:43 |
| ikonia | latenite: give it a try | 22:45 |
| latenite | times ago I used debian and had some issues with dependencies not beeing solved right.... | 22:45 |
| latenite | is there anythink to say about that "bugger" on ubuntu? | 22:45 |
| ikonia | the repos and dependencies are very tidy | 22:45 |
| latenite | ikonia, you know what...I will! let go 4 ubunut once :) | 22:46 |
| ikonia | if you don't like it, you can always swap | 22:46 |
| ikonia | it has it's positives and it's negatives as with any linux distro | 22:46 |
| latenite | is there a way to "debootstrap" it from within a chroot (thats how I mostly setup my boxes) | 22:46 |
| ikonia | trust me, you don't want to go that way | 22:46 |
| ikonia | just install, and configure, | 22:46 |
| latenite | why? | 22:46 |
| ikonia | ubuntu's put together for you, trust it | 22:47 |
| latenite | I mostly only have ssh access to the boxes | 22:47 |
| ikonia | that's a drag | 22:47 |
| ikonia | you can do it, | 22:47 |
| ikonia | don't think it's an official method though | 22:48 |
| latenite | ikonia, I dont get why debootraping the ubuntu-server tree is bad? | 22:48 |
| ikonia | the installer doesn't expect it | 22:48 |
| latenite | should n that be just the same as installing from CD? | 22:48 |
| latenite | what installer? I am lost *laughes* | 22:49 |
| ikonia | nah, the cd sets things up for you, that said you can debootstrap it | 22:49 |
| ikonia | when you boot the server cd - it goes through an install routine | 22:49 |
| latenite | oh like setting up locales and stuff? | 22:50 |
| ikonia | part of it yes | 22:50 |
| latenite | ok I i will try ubuntu on this server BUT I will debootstrap it. Using a CD will not help me in the future..since I almost never have acces to the box | 22:51 |
| ikonia | go for it | 22:51 |
| latenite | could you link me to a tutorial on ubuntu debootsraping? | 22:52 |
| ChmEarl | latenite, what OS is on the host? | 22:52 |
| ikonia | I certainly don't have one, I don't think there will be an official guide | 22:52 |
| latenite | gentoo | 22:52 |
| latenite | no no..for now it s a ubunut pendrive | 22:53 |
| latenite | but only because the box is right aside of me | 22:53 |
| ikonia | must go | 22:53 |
| ikonia | good luck | 22:54 |
| latenite | ikonia, have fun :=) thanks again | 22:54 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #662398 in openldap (main) "Version number in package name makes life hard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662398 | 22:56 |
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