=== _TechAway_ is now known as _Techie_ [02:51] How would I install python to work with the lamp server without breaking anything, as usual google has only brought up outdated results from 4 -6 years ago ? [02:52] !python [02:52] python is a popular Object Oriented scripting language included in Ubuntu. For more on Python please see http://www.python.org/ or #python [02:53] dominicdinada: Python is part of the default Ubuntu server installation. So it's there already [02:54] ok then i jut need to add the apache module for python ? [02:54] If, for some reason it's not, sudo apt-get install python should be sufficient. [02:54] i just read that of courst [02:54] Should be. [02:54] course* [02:56] ScottK: ok here is the link I am looking at. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91101 [02:57] But how should I add it to my default sites since that is outdated and my sites is alot different [03:00] dominicdinada: The package you want to install is libapache2-mod-python [03:01] There is also a libapache2-mod-python-doc that might help. I'd also consult the Ubuntu Server Guide (see /topic) and see if it has advice on this. [03:19] how do i disable apache modules that are broken I tried a2dismod mod_pyth but restart still shows a fail and the broken packages are still there even after i just run a2dismod i see mod_pyth and still nothing [03:22] That I don't know. [03:35] a2dismod doesnt show mod_python even though i installed the libapache2-mod-python package but still nothing shows in a2dismod for enabling it [03:59] what would be the bare requirements for playing videos with mplayer? [04:14] CppIsWeird: if you have mplayer you have the bare requirements [04:15] obviously not because it still tells me it cant open x11 display. i've installed xorg. is there anything else? [04:15] gnome-desktop [04:16] comes with it all packaged,.... While this is ubuntu typically this is for the regular ubuntu channel. [04:16] if i wanted gnome desktop i think i would have installed it. [04:16] CppIsWeird: But then why install ubuntu server if you are adding all of these features that makes it less a server and more of a desktop and insecure [04:18] dominicdinada, thank you. anyone else? [04:18] CppIsWeird: if i were you i would leave the server to server duties and desktop to desktop utils, and ask in #ubuntu [04:37] you guys know some good opensource workflow???? [06:21] <_Neytiri_> i am haveing a issue with my network interface, its a gbic interface but its running at 100m the switch is gbic the cable is a good cat6 cable [06:50] _Neytiri_: you have dual boot with winxp? [08:11] New bug: #487631 in clamav (main) "clamdscan clamav-daemon error" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487631 === _TechAway_ is now known as _Techie_ [09:32] !routing [09:32] O_o [09:32] anyone know of any documentation for setting up routing on ubuntu server [09:35] <_Techie_> eagles0513875|2, routing as in routing tables, or as in setting up a server as a default gateway? [09:36] routing tables [09:37] hold on [09:58] !samba | eagles0513875|2 [09:58] eagles0513875|2, please see my private message [10:15] !unzip [11:32] New bug: #662068 in openssh "Removing the offending host key when a server updates should be easier" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662068 [13:08] New bug: #662117 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.7.0-1 failed to install/upgrade:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662117 [13:22] hi, anybody knows if amazon ec2 instance tags are available inside the official ubuntu ami without using ec2-* tools ? === _ng is now known as ng === ng is now known as _ng [14:44] Ugh... Just randomly clicking on a couple of php snippets put up on pastebin. Already found two of them which are vulnerable to SQL injection attacks. [14:53] ya, love them [15:38] 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD" [15:39] welcome to the 20th century. [15:40] :D === Jeeves__ is now known as Jeeves_ === _Techie_ is now known as _TechAway_ [15:49] hello to all. i have a question related to ubuntu-server mail. i get several mails for the domains that i host on my server and i need now somehow the possibility to allow others to see this mails. best solution is somekind of webmail or thunderbird fetch and sending [16:02] okay i have found Squirrelmail. thanks a lot see you all next time bye. [16:06] New bug: #662202 in drbd8 (main) "package drbd8-utils (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/cluster/drbd.sh', which is also in package rgmanager 0:3.0.2-2ubuntu3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662202 [16:44] i ve got a problem [16:44] i installed ubuntu server 10.04 as a kvm guest with virtio [16:45] the installation went fine [16:45] but now that i reboot it cannot boot [16:46] if i disable virtio for the hdd, it boots fine === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez [17:34] is eucalyptus anything like xen and vmware's esxi? [17:35] i'm also trying to figure out if UEC is something that i'd need to pay for [17:35] ehnde: uec is free [17:35] << trying to set up a home lab with one machine that could run up to maybe 5 - 10 virtual machines [17:35] ok, so it's not like RHEL's offerings [17:35] ehnde: you need at minimum 2 physical machines [17:35] oh...well dang [17:36] there are so many possible options out there...what would work best to create the lab environment i described? [17:36] ehnde: uec gives you a private clouse (like amazon's ec2) [17:36] i thought i could run it all on one machine [17:37] ehnde: there is a hacky way to do that, even all virtually but that's exceptional [17:37] hey guys [17:38] maybe kvm is the way to go then (for now) [17:38] at least it's nice to know that UEC exists, that knowledge could come in handy in the future [17:38] ehnde: if all you want are virtual machines then yes [17:39] O_o [17:39] <_ruben> ehnde: if you dont want to use the machine for anything else and do all management etc from another machine, you could give vmware esxi a try, it's a quite powerful barebone hypervizor .. if you do want to use the machine for other stuff, i'd go the kvm way (assuming you have a decent cpu with virtualization extensions) [17:39] ehnde: uec gives you a management architecture for rapid deployment of many virtual instances [17:39] there is also virtual box [17:40] there is new feature phpvbox allows you to access the gui from website hehe :) [17:40] _ruben: i tried out vmware esxi, but the installation failed citing that my hardware was not supported [17:40] i do have an amd cpu with virtualization extensions, no idea why it failed :| [17:41] <_ruben> ehnde: ah yes, it is quite picky about that (as its meant for (enterprise) server stuff) .. some of the limitations can be worked around though [17:41] <_ruben> ehnde: most likely your sata controller [17:42] <_ruben> uec is kinda "overkill" for a 'static' setup of just a few vms. like pmatulis said: its mainly a management layer for rapid deployment of dynamic environments [17:42] * _ruben is afk again === Ng_ is now known as Ng [17:48] hmm...if i install convirt it installs the xen hypervisor and xen-utils [17:48] seems odd since i'm installing it to use as a front end for kvm [17:49] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM << lists convirt as an alternative management option [17:50] hey guys how can i fix a machine i have no network access too or kvm switch to in regards to fixing networking i know where my problem is but have no network connectivity to ssh or anything [17:55] eagles0513875, you call someone who has physical access to fix it [17:55] eagles0513875: you don't by chance have remote desktop set up on the machine do you? [17:55] i have physical access to it [17:56] and ehnde no :( and how can i set that up [17:56] system > preferences > Remote Desktop [17:56] remote desktop requires X, which is a desktop thing [17:56] true [17:56] not a server thing [17:56] it also requires working networking [17:56] if you have physical access why don't you install ssh? [17:57] if there's no IP KVM, serial console, or working networking, physical access is the only way [17:57] plug in a monitor and keyboard [17:58] sudo init 6 [17:58] oops [18:04] my server has 2 nics and i kinda had a typo with the 2nd nic :( [18:04] for some reason the static ip the server has i cant connect via ssh [18:06] cant ping cant do anything :( [18:07] like I said [18:08] you need to hook up a monitor and keyboard to fix it [18:08] bah and i only have one monitor [18:08] i know where the error is its in the interfaces [18:09] it looks like virt-manager suits my needs perfectly! [18:09] you're not supposed to hot plug them, but I've been doing it for years and nothing's fried on me yet [18:09] makes using kvm very easy [18:10] but if your keyboard is PS/2, you'll probably have to reboot the server for it to recognize your keyboard [18:12] its usb this server doesnt even have ps2 at all [18:12] bah this is annoying :( [18:12] only have one monitor [18:13] * Patrickdk sends eagles0513875 a monitor, I have 6 19" lcd's I'm not using on this desk [18:13] hah [18:14] hehe ty Patrickdk :) [18:14] I don't have spare LCDs, but I've always got half a dozen CRTs on hand [18:14] after already throwing the worst ones away [18:14] sucks being a student sometimes [18:14] can't give them away [18:14] just shipping is so much :( [18:14] not worth the cost of shipping anywhere [18:14] im thinking easiest solution to drag my server back in here [18:14] fix it then put it back in my room [18:14] or by an ip-kvm [18:14] buy [18:15] how much are those [18:15] im really considering it [18:15] not sure, I haven't looked for years [18:15] atm buying my server a ram upgrade [18:15] from 1gb to 8gb [18:15] I was under the impression those were pretty expensive [18:15] but you can get a USB KVM on the cheap, and some really long extension cables [18:15] ha from my desk lol all the way to my room lol [18:15] mom wont be to happy with that [18:16] a quick search shows the cheapest at $85 [18:16] going up into the thousands [18:16] wowie [18:17] heh, i'm look at about $250 [18:17] actually, that's just the server module [18:17] much cheaper than last I looked about 1.2k [18:17] not even the whole thing [18:17] but you can get a half decent USB KVM for about $40 [18:17] and some long cables at monoprice for another $20 [18:18] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707162 [18:18] depends on how long, my vga+usb extender was $650, it goes 300' over cat5, nice [18:19] wow [18:23] but yeah, you could go about 40' with a $40 USB KVM and $20 worth of cables === unreal_ is now known as unreal [18:25] $40 of cables would get about 100' [18:26] but long VGA cables are pretty heavy [18:33] now to see if that fixed it [18:33] yay [18:33] thats fixed === eagles0513875|2 is now known as eagles0513875 [18:39] anyone know how to change channels in irssi when you are using it in a tabbed terminal? [18:39] when i do alt f1 it puts me over to the first tab in the console instead of switching channels on irc [18:40] :) [18:40] ehndegot my problem fixed [18:41] great [18:43] ehnde: my irssi uses alt-1,2.. for channels, not f1 [18:43] Patrickdk: :p poke [18:43] you can always say /win too [18:43] yeah, number keys, not F keys [18:44] oh oops that's what i meant was alt 1 [18:44] heh [18:44] i didn't know about /win and that will work in place of alt 1/2/3 [18:44] thanks for the tip [18:45] you can change your configuration to bind it to a different key, too [18:51] hi [19:15] anyone use mysql workbench [19:16] yes [19:17] for some reason a clean install of mysql server for some reason wont connect to my remote install for some reason via ssh [19:17] probably because mysql root account is associated to local host only [19:17] I assume you're trying to connect as "root" [19:17] for now till i can setup another user [19:18] ok, so that's why [19:18] how could i fix it? [19:18] login to the root mysql user on the localhost, and create a new user [19:20] this is the error i get when trying to connect with workbench Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) [19:20] eagles0513875: is work bench being run on the same host as the database ? [19:20] no [19:20] then it's not localhost [19:21] as I've explained, you need to connect to the localhost for mysql as the root user and create a new user [19:21] the root account is bound to the localhost address/name of the mysql server [19:21] how do i do that on commandline [19:22] the documentation is on mysql.com [19:22] remember to flush privileges when you are done though [19:22] ok [19:22] (important) [19:23] ok [19:23] ikonia: i seem to have a more serious problem though [19:24] trying to login via commandline and im getting this error ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) [19:24] explain ? [19:24] what command are you using ? [19:24] and this is via ssh on the machine that has mysql-server installed on it [19:24] (exactly) [19:24] mysql -u root -p [19:24] to login [19:24] is mysql actually running ? [19:25] its saying that it is cuz im setting up workbench to connect to the server via tcp/ip over ssh and ssh connects just fine [19:25] what ? [19:25] what's saying it's because you've setup workbend [19:25] ch [19:26] i have purged mysql-server bout 3 times and reinstalled yet the same problem persists [19:26] you're not listening to the questions I'm asking [19:26] what's saying it's because you've setup workbench [19:27] be it work bench or command line i get the same error as a bove about access denied [19:27] eagles0513875: right - forget workbench, I've explained why that won't work [19:27] there is no point progressing workbench until you can connect locally [19:27] ok [19:28] what do i need to do [19:28] what was the question I asked before you started talking about workbench ? [19:28] about the command that i was running [19:29] then what [19:29] whats sasying its because i setup workbench [19:29] its nothing to do with workbench its somethign on the server im thinking [19:29] no, I asked if mysql was actually running ? [19:29] and yes it is [19:29] it's nothing to do with workbench, I've just told you that [19:30] * eagles0513875 puts workbench to the side for now [19:30] why are you repeating what I'm saying like you've just thought about it [19:30] I just told you that ! [19:30] if you can't connect to the server on the localhost, that's nothing to do with workbench and you clearly have a problem with the database setup [19:33] eagles0513875: output to 'sudo lsof -i4tcp:3306 -nP' ? [19:33] hold on a sec [19:34] mysqld 1647 mysql 10u IPv4 5385 0t0 TCP *:3306 (LISTEN) [19:35] eagles0513875: in your command, try 'root'@'127.0.0.1' [19:35] or -h 127.0.0.1 [19:35] with which command [19:35] brb [19:38] ikonia: replace that in what command [19:38] mysql [19:38] or as pmatulis just do root@127.0.01 [19:39] 127.0.0.1 [19:40] is there a separate package i need to install for pmautils? [19:40] that's a username [19:40] there is a user in this channel called pmatulis [19:41] humm ok [19:41] ? [19:41] he told you to do the lsof command, that you did, so you must be following/aware of him [19:41] i am [19:41] and i tried the root@127.0.0.1 [19:41] so why have you just asked if there is a package to install him ? [19:41] and still nothing [19:42] im just lost with what you said -h 127.0.0.1 [19:42] eagles0513875: mysql -u root -h 127.0.0.1 -p [19:42] what's the error that comes back [19:42] ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) [19:42] eagles0513875: even using -h 127.0.0.l ? [19:43] yep [19:43] it says "localhost" when you are using -h 127.0.0.1 [19:43] thats what came back in the error [19:44] ok, then you need to start mysql with the "--skip-grant-tables" option to remove the permissions from the database, then set a new root password, re-start mysql without the --skip-grant-tables option and test [19:44] ok ill try that later going to have dinner [19:46] ikonia: couldnt i just purge mysql server and manually delete the user db that it creates? [19:46] no [19:46] you need to walk through this to resolve the issue, as you said you've tried purging it multiple times [19:47] the only thing i can think of is a corrupt user db that is being created [19:47] or that isnt getting purged [19:47] user db's don't affect permissions [19:48] ok [19:48] I suggest you follow my suggestion [19:48] thanks for your help ikonia ill follow your suggestion [19:48] welcome [19:49] tbh ikonia i have no idea what i did today :( it was working fine till i killed it :( came to setup a 2nd db for oscommers and everythign just broke itself [20:31] New bug: #662328 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.5.4~dfsg-1ubuntu8 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662328 [20:43] Hi folks, I have a Dell server with scsi controlers for the harddiscs. Ubunutu 10.10 is not showing any discs under /dev . What modules would I have to loead to make scsi work? thanks :) [20:43] latenite: what controllers ? [20:44] those http://pastie.org/1228255 [20:45] ikonia, I realy dont know why I have 3 of them? and who is who... [20:45] they are both well supported [20:45] what mode are they in, jbod or raid ? [20:45] all I DO know is I have TWO hdd and ONE DAT streamer [20:45] all beeing scsci [20:45] can you please show me the output of "sudo fdisk -l" on that system in a pastebin please. [20:46] any reason why i should upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10? [20:46] dschuett: read the release notes, see if there is anything you want [20:46] dschuett: for a server, keeping LTS support in 10.04 is a reason not to upgrade [20:47] ikonia, thanks. - just wanted a second opinion [20:47] http://pastie.org/1228264 that ONLY show the usb stick I booted from [20:48] latenite: open the cards bio's and see if they show the disks, and what status they are in [20:48] ikonia, How would I do that? opening he bios would requiere to shut it down? [20:48] latenite: it would use [20:48] oops [20:49] "it would, yes" [20:49] sorry [20:49] when it says "press F5 to enter RAID setup" or whatever, press that key combination [20:50] ikonia, ok that takes a minute....hold on :) [20:52] ikonia, ok firt in boot sequence is "LSI - Logic Bus Adapers" Do we need that? or next..? [20:52] latenite: work through all 3 of them to see which one has the disks and what status they are in [20:54] ok... [20:54] let see [20:56] ikonia, man there is SOO much stuff I ve never seen bevore [20:56] dont know where to start [20:56] ...sadly I cant make a screenshot :( [20:56] latenite: if it's a dell box, you can actually contact dell and they will walk you through the basics, they are quite good with that sort of thing [20:58] ok I see on SCSI ID #7 at slot A and B.......... and DAT tape at SCSI ID #6 === _TechAway_ is now known as _Techie_ [21:00] ikonia, next iin boot sequence is RAID... here is see "Ch-0 ID-0 DISK MAXTOR - READY" for both hdd [21:01] latenite: looks like the card can see the disks ok, that's a good start === RudyValencia- is now known as RudyValencia [21:01] latenite: the disks either need to be set to jbod, or raid mode [21:02] ikonia, in RAID setup I can switsch beween "READY" and "ONLIN" status of discs [21:02] waht is jbod? [21:02] online is good [21:03] I want software raid1 lateron...but not by the controller [21:03] why do you want software raid [21:03] those cards are good cards and well supported [21:03] I might have to change hardare soon. [21:04] ?? [21:05] ikonia, its all ne to me...BUT I HEARD taht if I use differen raid controllers then I might not get my old raid back. [21:05] is that true? [21:05] you don't balance the raid over different controllers [21:05] you use the same controller to do the raid [21:06] ikonia, so if I have different hardware soon my old controllers will be gone...and the new ones will/might not make my old raid work? right? [21:06] ahh right, yes, that is very likley to be a problem unless they are from the same chipset [21:07] that s why I rather stick with sw-raid [21:07] is it that bad? to use [21:07] why are you swapping those controllers out [21:07] software raid on linux is very good, no problem using it [21:08] I might swat the whole box...this one is "ok" but will be replaced by a better one. [21:09] in that senario I'd suggest either a.) doing a new install onto that box b.) copying the file systems (not swapping the disks) onto the new system [21:09] ok that "might" have beeb IT. Those HDDs never where "ONLINE" only "ready" [21:09] those cards are good cards, it would be a shame not to use them [21:09] let s see [21:11] ikonia, If linux sw-raid is "good" why not use it...for compatibility reasons [21:12] because it's not gaurenteed to work in other machines either, and if you've got good hardware raid controllers, why not use them for performance/stability reasons [21:12] of course it's totally your call how you setup your kit [21:13] now I am in last boot sequence whereI can define "boot Sequence": but it only show my USB-Pen-drive...there are no HDDs to be seen [21:14] is that faulty? or OK because they are scsi [21:14] define boot sequence ? [21:14] what is asking you to define boot sequence ? [21:15] it like a "regular" bios now: set time, and the "order of" he devices the box boots from. normaly you set CD/DVD 1st , than HDD1 2nd, and so on [21:15] but here it only show my pendrive...no further HDDs [21:15] I have no idea, I can't remember the bios settings, [21:15] sure :) [21:16] I ll just boot any try.. [21:16] latenite: if the disks are in jbod mode, then you should see them in a boot menu, if they are in raid mode, then you won't see them until you build an array [21:16] ikonia, what is jbod mode? [21:17] non-raid mode [21:17] can I do taht without "TAKING THE CONTROLER OUT" ? [21:17] yes, it's a raid controller mode/bios feature [21:18] can I leave them on the raidcontroller usning them in ... [21:18] ooh o [21:18] ok [21:18] let me see what I did choose then.. [21:18] it means use the raid controller as a raid card (raid mode) or as a regular disk controller (jbod) [21:18] just a bunch of disks (jbod) [21:19] funny shortform :) [21:21] ikonia, ok booted ubuntu again and got some more devices: http://pastie.org/1228341 [21:21] how would I know if any of those are my disks? [21:21] sudo fdisk -l [21:21] I only dealt with "/dev/sda" for now [21:22] lets see what fdisk says [21:22] http://pastie.org/1228343 [21:22] not more than before [21:22] latenite: thats annoying [21:22] bit I swear I did not have /dev/sg* /dev/st* before [21:23] latenite: run sudo fdisk /dev/sdt [21:23] oops [21:23] sg are the scsi controllers, I assume st is the other [21:24] root@box:/home/user# fdisk -l /dev/st0 [21:24] just takes for ever...no response [21:24] that's your tape drive [21:24] latenite: mt -f /dev/st0 status [21:25] mt -f /dev/st0 status takes for ever also [21:25] let it run or "ctrl -C" ? [21:25] it will do [21:25] let it run [21:25] ok [21:25] it's a tape drive [21:25] I assume you have the tape drive terminated [21:25] yes [21:25] now I do "mt -f /dev/st0 status"... [21:25] is taht ok? [21:26] yes [21:26] ok...for how long? WHAT is taking up so much time here? [21:26] it's a tape drive, they are slow [21:26] I dont hava a tape in... [21:26] is taht ok? [21:26] fine [21:26] it should report back off line [21:27] mt: /dev/st0: rmtopen failed: No medium found [21:27] just did! :) [21:27] perfect [21:27] so you know that's all good [21:27] cool [21:27] so what are the discs? [21:27] check the bios for the disk mode [21:27] it's possible they are in raid mode (seeing the controllers sg0) but not the disks, if they are in raid mode, with no array defined, you won't see them [21:28] Hello anyone here good at networking please? [21:28] cjc: just ask [21:28] ok let be get back into bios and check :) [21:28] I need help bridging two network connections please [21:28] ok, with a bridge device, or just using routing [21:29] two networking interfaces on my local machine? [21:29] yes, but with a bridge device, or using routing [21:30] please explain what you mean? [21:30] you can either use a networking device on your server called a bridge device/interface, or just setup routing with something like iptables to bridge the two [21:31] ikonia, on the other hand: if it IS in raid mode...hwo would I make it see the disk then? [21:31] what do you mean by a networking device? [21:31] latenite: you either need to change it to jbod, or configure a raid arrary [21:32] array [21:32] cjc: lookup tun and bridge devices [21:32] ikonia, and configuring an array would be done....HOW? in bios? [21:32] latenite: correct [21:33] ok back to bios.... [21:34] are you talking about physical bridge devices? [21:35] cjc: they are a physical device to the server, but not an actual device [21:45] ikonia, I can chane the disks from "ready" to "online" but the state is NEVER saved...when going back into that menu they are "ready" again....this is annoying [21:46] New bug: #662375 in postfix (main) "package postfix (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662375 [22:02] ikonia, is there a chance that IF I just define 2 "logical drives" and not MOZT put them in an "array" in bios...taht THIS is how I had to setup "jbod"? === _TechAway_ is now known as _Techie_ [22:12] Does anyone know where I can grab an iso of the ubuntu server ec2 instance for use with virtualbox? [22:14] hi folks, Say what is "so special" (no offense -> I just dont know better) about a server edition ? what comes with it, and what does ot come withot compared to a regular desktop ubuntu? thanks [22:15] :latenite the gui is the biggest thing that doesn't come with the server edition [22:15] the kernel is also optimized for server [22:16] probably more changes now: http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3715071/Ubuntu-Server--Kernel-Configuration-Considerations.htm [22:17] as that is 7.10 kernel [22:17] I wish someone would do and publish stuff like that more often [22:18] latenite: first of all, sorry for the slow response, second, I can't remember the raid card bios options from memory so can't follow exactly what your saying, third, the server edition has some optimisations in that are aimed at true enterprise hardware [22:19] in case anyone was wondering where to find the EC2 images, they are here http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/release/ [22:20] ikonia, I just made both drives "logcial" + "online" and inittailzed them. now I have http://pastie.org/1228477 [22:21] ikonia, how do I "MAKE SURE" it truely is NO raid? [22:21] latenite: now that looks great [22:21] latenite: the raid options are set in the card, so I don't know without having the raid card bios details in front of me [22:21] ikonia, I am happy , too :) [22:22] ikonia, well I can format /dev/sda differnetly than /dev/sdb So I "feel" they are independent ? right?! [22:22] latenite: from that point of view, totally [22:23] so I am at a point where I am good to go... [22:23] certainly looks that way [22:23] man thank you very much for your help :) very appreciute it . [22:23] welcome [22:24] ikonia, can you answer the quetion above..about "what makes -server edition" so special? [22:24] different kernel config? [22:24] other tools? [22:24] latenite: I did respond earlier [22:24] no X ? [22:24] ohh..my fault [22:25] it's tuned to run on enterprise level hardware, it doesn't bother with home user kit like nvidia/ati accelerated drivers [22:25] ikonia, on so no X..what else? [22:25] no X by default, lvm installed by default etc etc [22:25] the base product is the same, but it's more usefully setup and tuned to enterprise level servers [22:25] sounds like I might want that? [22:25] <_Techie_> also works charms on hoem servers [22:26] <_Techie_> home* [22:26] any pitfalls?...I generely use gentoo. [22:26] latenite: do you want a gui, yes/no ? [22:26] ikonia, no [22:26] latenite: are you running on a true dell "server" platform [22:27] or a home desktop type setup [22:28] http://pastie.org/1228489 [22:28] latenite: that's just a list of hardware [22:28] latenite: I'm asking are you using a dell server, or a desktop type machine [22:28] <_Techie_> latenite, hes using a proper dell poweredge server [22:28] system PowerEdge 1800 [22:29] yes [22:29] latenite: ok, so the server install would be very nice [22:29] ikonia, _Techie_ I dont realy see the difference betwwen "server" and "desktop" box? [22:29] what would differntiate them?...cpu power? [22:29] chipsets? [22:30] <_Techie_> all sorts of different things [22:30] <_Techie_> cache, hard drive speed [22:30] <_Techie_> redundancy [22:30] they are all differnt from box to box...no matter if server or desktop [22:30] <_Techie_> efficiency [22:30] latenite: the hardware in them is quite different [22:30] latenite: hence why a server class raid card is $800 and a home desktop has one built into it's motherboard [22:31] even mdadm beats built-in/fakeraid [22:31] ikonia, oh ok so it all about "what hardware" is build into the bos? like that? [22:31] martin-: by a mile [22:31] latenite: part of it [22:32] ....in the end ALL hardware is supported (or saadly not ..) by the kernel.... I still dont see the diff? [22:32] <_Techie_> i gotta start shifting my computer, seeya tonight [22:32] _Techie_, thanks... bye :) === _Techie_ is now known as _TechAway_ [22:33] ikonia, to me ot s all about what is supported by the kernel ..and how powerfull the hardware is. [22:33] these two parameters....are both to be found in "servers" + "desktops" [22:34] latenite: nothing to do with "power" although things like large memory support is enabled [22:34] ...I dont mean to stess...but I dont see the difference [22:35] Ok so in the end ist just about "tuning"....any linux with the right kernelconfig anf tools will do [22:35] right? [22:35] yes [22:35] serveredition make it more convinient [22:35] so why not use it?...I ll try it! :) [22:35] look at RHEL, it's the same product on the desktop and server, it's setup very different though and has a different set of kernel options, but it makes them behave quite different [22:37] sure...good example :9 [22:37] I could do a "lfs" and and up with a propper server as wel..it all about how much "finetuning" i want? [22:38] like that? [22:38] is there a link that tell s me more about ubuntu-server edition? [22:38] latenite: how is lfs more of a proper server than ubuntu server ? [22:39] ikonia, not at all... they are the same to me [22:39] ok [22:39] onewth more work to do... [22:40] in the end the result in the system "I" want... [22:40] So I just wonder how much work is taken of my hand when choosing ubuntu server... [22:41] compared to my other probale choice "gentoo chroot setup" [22:41] quite a lot, its a very sane setup [22:41] ubuntu server takes about 15 minutes to install, you do the maths [22:42] ikonia, if I was not concerned about time....ONLY results (which I realy am *not*) is there anything ubunut does better or differnt than others? [22:43] latenite: not really, somethings better, some things worse than others, at the heart all distros are the same product [22:43] ikonia, I realy like gentoo (on big dislike is compile time)...but I am also very temptetd to try ubuntu [22:45] latenite: give it a try [22:45] times ago I used debian and had some issues with dependencies not beeing solved right.... [22:45] is there anythink to say about that "bugger" on ubuntu? [22:45] the repos and dependencies are very tidy [22:46] ikonia, you know what...I will! let go 4 ubunut once :) [22:46] if you don't like it, you can always swap [22:46] it has it's positives and it's negatives as with any linux distro [22:46] is there a way to "debootstrap" it from within a chroot (thats how I mostly setup my boxes) [22:46] trust me, you don't want to go that way [22:46] just install, and configure, [22:46] why? [22:47] ubuntu's put together for you, trust it [22:47] I mostly only have ssh access to the boxes [22:47] that's a drag [22:47] you can do it, [22:48] don't think it's an official method though [22:48] ikonia, I dont get why debootraping the ubuntu-server tree is bad? [22:48] the installer doesn't expect it [22:48] should n that be just the same as installing from CD? [22:49] what installer? I am lost *laughes* [22:49] nah, the cd sets things up for you, that said you can debootstrap it [22:49] when you boot the server cd - it goes through an install routine [22:50] oh like setting up locales and stuff? [22:50] part of it yes [22:51] ok I i will try ubuntu on this server BUT I will debootstrap it. Using a CD will not help me in the future..since I almost never have acces to the box [22:51] go for it [22:52] could you link me to a tutorial on ubuntu debootsraping? [22:52] latenite, what OS is on the host? [22:52] I certainly don't have one, I don't think there will be an official guide [22:52] gentoo [22:53] no no..for now it s a ubunut pendrive [22:53] but only because the box is right aside of me [22:53] must go [22:54] good luck [22:54] ikonia, have fun :=) thanks again [22:56] New bug: #662398 in openldap (main) "Version number in package name makes life hard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662398 === dantaliz1ng is now known as dantalizing