[04:11] Meeting set for 03:00:00 p.m. Sunday October 17, 2010 in UTC === Muscovy changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: The Ubuntu Tour Project! | http://ubuntutour.org | Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo#List | Meeting at 3:00 pm October 17 (UTC), see http://openetherpad.org/mvsJQdzufr [06:04] hi, I am from Brazil, and I am a Ubuntu Brazlian translators ' coordinator, is there anything to translate in this project at launchpad? [08:27] Hello Andre_Gondim [08:29] Andre_Gondim: If you know bzr you can branch the lp:ubuntu-tour branch and add your countries foleder like "br" and just translate the files to brazillian :D === MichealH changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: The Ubuntu Tour Project! | http://ubuntutour.org | Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo#List | Meeting at 3:00 pm October 17 (UTC), see http://openetherpad.org/mvsJQdzufr [08:32] Uhh... === MichealH changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: The Ubuntu Tour Project! | http://ubuntutour.org | Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo#List | Meeting at 3:00 pm October 17 (UTC), to see the time in YOUR timezone see The Ubuntu Tour Project! | http://ubuntutour.org | Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo#List | Meeting at 3:00 pm October 17 (U [08:34] Uhh [08:34] I have Copy and paste! === MichealH changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: The Ubuntu Tour Project! | http://ubuntutour.org | Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo#List | Meeting at 3:00 pm October 17 (UTC) - http://bit.ly/d2OvTn, see http://openetherpad.org/mvsJQdzufr [08:35] Thats better : [08:35] *:) [08:35] I dont like copy and pasting in terminals! [11:09] hi all [12:07] You can now import tours :) File > Import [12:08] you then need to select a tour which is purely a tar archive [12:08] the tar archive may contain more than 1 tour [12:08] and you can select more than 1 tar file [12:08] to make a tour into a tar file, simply right click on the folder and seclect add to archive [12:09] The following locations are now read for tours... [12:09] ~/.ubuntu-tour/tours, /usr/share/ubuntu-tour/tours, ./tours [12:10] the html folder should be copied (or linked would be better) into each of those folders when the program is installed, perhaps someone who knows package management could do that [12:11] Hey MadnessRed [12:11] Thats great! [12:12] I remember before you said you were @ Durham Univerity. I live like just down the A690 :D [12:12] heh === MichealH changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: The Ubuntu Tour Project! | http://ubuntutour.org | Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo#List | Meeting at 15:00(3:00 PM) October 17 (UTC) - http://bit.ly/d2OvTn, see http://openetherpad.org/mvsJQdzufr [12:15] MadnessRed: I know a bit of Packaging! [12:27] * UndiFineD just woke up [12:28] hello Andre_Gondim === MixCool is now known as MixCool|Away [12:30] Hey UndiFineD [12:30] hey MichealH [12:30] Dis you see What MadnessRed said? [12:30] Its cool! [12:30] import'ant [12:33] btw, I once too build a irc bot, in php [12:34] it was encoded [12:34] direct web interface, mysql storage [12:36] Yeah Im hoping for that to ben integrated like a php TODO list ect. [12:37] eggdrops were fun too, but that was long ago [13:55] * MichealH sends UndiFineD To ##fix-your-connection ;) [14:19] har har, its not my connection [14:20] I get logged out on auto, as i use high memory apps [14:20] itś a kernel thing [15:04] hi all? [15:04] hi [15:04] did my messages send earlier? [15:05] at about 12 uk time [15:05] I wasn't here at this time… [15:09] hey MadnessRed [15:09] hi [15:09] yes, you told something importánt :p [15:10] yh, I setup the tour importing and reasing tours from /usr/share/ubuntu-tour and ~/.ubuntu-tour [15:11] when is the meeting? [15:11] in an hour [15:12] MadnessRed: Hey :) [15:12] what speed internet does irc need? [15:12] Yes, They did get to us [15:12] hi [15:12] MadnessRed: I'd say very low connection [15:12] speed ? i was on irc in 1990 [15:12] could I run it on gprs? [15:12] yep [15:12] yes [15:12] kk brb then [15:13] There are apps for the iPhone so I guess si [15:13] *so [15:13] rooms is a nice app [15:13] * MichealH disappears (Homework) [15:16] ok, I think it's working, 5.9s lag :) [15:18] :) [15:18] :) :) :) [15:18] yh, it's pretty poor tbh, but at least x-chat is working [15:40] I have no lag :D [15:40] Uhh... I dont need to brag there... [15:40] hehe [15:41] just ate a few sandwiches with baked egg [15:42] thatś my diner for today [15:42] delicious :D [15:42] * MichealH goes back to PHP [15:42] MY PHP! [15:43] UndiFined dieting :P [15:43] MichealH, what are you working on ? [15:44] webrsk, with all that fat ? hardly [15:45] A thing like StackExchange [15:45] Its gonna be good :) [15:45] I don know stackexchange [15:46] UndiFined: reverse dieting then :) ha ha :) [15:46] Goto askubuntu.com (Based on StackExchange) [15:46] I am steady at 96 kg [15:46] Cool :) [15:52] k, odd site [15:56] Hello all. :D [15:56] hi [15:58] We'll wait another 2 minutes for the hour to hit. [16:01] k [16:01] ouch [16:03] Andre_Gondim, Dykam, MadnessRed, MichealH, MixCool, Omega, popey, UndiFineD, webrsk: meeting open. [16:03] o/ [16:03] I'm going to follow the topics in http://openetherpad.org/mvsJQdzufr, skipping any duplicates. [16:04] First topic: applications to cover. [16:04] If you open the tour, you'll see a large list of applications. [16:05] Should we whittle down some? [16:05] ehm whittle ? [16:05] Remove some. [16:06] More tours means more work and a scarier looking introduction. [16:06] no I don think we need to remove topics, some sorting would help [16:06] EVen sorting would make things bette,r yeah. [16:06] Gedit doesn't need its own category, for example. [16:07] I think the current About Ubuntu should be renamed to About the desktop [16:08] Perhaps. [16:08] Yes its more the desktop and its features .. [16:08] and the about could have its own menu entry [16:08] About Ubuntu does seems like the name of the whole tour. [16:08] Any objections? [16:08] no [16:09] Ok, we'll do that then. [16:09] One sec, pulling code. [16:09] note taking tomboy could merge with office [16:09] Yeah. [16:09] gedit too [16:10] I'm not sure if gedit is too relevent. [16:10] As far as I know, most people don't use plain text editors. [16:10] I do, but almost entirely for coding. [16:10] I use gedit daily [16:11] Hmm, we'll keep that then. [16:11] * webrsk using Vim [16:11] :D [16:11] I think we ought to keep Wine. [16:11] build tests could move somewhere [16:11] In my opinion, half the point of the Wine chapter is/will be to remind users to get Linux applications. [16:12] true [16:12] Most of my family now uses Ubuntu, and they didn't understand about being able to find applications for Linux too. [16:12] hm.. [16:12] As in they tried Wine-ing Firefox. [16:12] but also help new users to migrate and keep their important apps like taxes apps [16:12] Yeah. [16:13] Not sure if that category should be "continue playing" though. [16:13] maybe "system" ? [16:13] I'm not sure if the administration chapter is needed. I can only think of two admin things we'll need to mention, software and users. [16:13] getting help should move to getting started i think [16:14] System fits well as a name. [16:14] Yeah, getting help feels lost where it is. [16:14] moving it to beginning shows how willing the community is to help users [16:14] Login screen? [16:15] part of system i think [16:15] I'm not sure if it needs a chapter to itself, but I think it should be mentioned somewhere. [16:15] when users see the tour, they have already loged in [16:15] i think we should merge login screen with user-management or something like that [16:16] I like that idea, MixCool. [16:16] yeah that seems good too [16:17] Ok, so rename "continue playing" to system, [16:18] rename about ubuntu to about the desktop, [16:18] maybe rename "software management" to "Install software" [16:18] It covers removal and updates too though. [16:18] Software management is not just installing software [16:18] the current name is fine to me [16:18] no, but at the beginning maybe we should show the user, how install basic apps [16:19] "Adding and removing softwware" sounds better, but is long. [16:19] Hmm. [16:20] like Muscovy said, the new users try to install windows-apps [16:21] I guess I agree with "install software". [16:21] People generally install stuff more often than they remove it. [16:21] It's ok for new users [16:22] Ok, so yes/no for renaming "software management" to "install software"? [16:22] I vote yes. [16:22] we could create two articles, a new one in "getting started" called "Install software" and keep the old one on system [16:23] that's a NO for me [16:23] MixCool: we could just mention it and link from chapter 1. [16:23] hmm [16:23] But should that really be in "contine playing"? it's normally one of the first things people do. [16:23] sounds well [16:23] Muscovy: Good idea [16:24] I agree, Silasle. [16:24] But I can't think of where to put it. [16:24] the link? [16:24] System makes the most sense, but its a bit crowded. [16:24] Link the pages. I forget the exact syntax. [16:25] in desktop configuration? [16:25] Have there been some discussion about the menu yet? [16:25] no [16:25] no [16:25] where at the first point [16:25] Maybe we'll save the menu stuff until MadnessRed joins us. [16:26] Since he's done most of the code. [16:26] It's fair [16:26] I have not tested the tour on my eeepc yet [16:26] Ok, writing freeze. [16:27] We want to try to have the English writing done by Oct 23. [16:27] Then we can focus on editing, screenshots, and translations. [16:27] ok [16:27] We're definitely capable of reaching the deadline if we all do a bit before then. [16:27] Muscovy: Go to ??? [16:28] I think it was something like that [16:28] Thanks, I always forget that. [16:28] We have about 4 chapters that are finished for content. [16:28] We've got a few that need doing. [16:28] When will MadnessRed come? [16:29] About something like half of them (ex: firefox) are half done. [16:29] I'm not sure. [16:29] Whenever you find a chapter that's "finished", try showing one or two people. [16:30] I've found that a useful way to make sure it makes sense. [16:30] Ironically, if you can write the documentation you can't test it. [16:30] uhh strange... notification to start firefox in chapter "browser" ??? [16:31] I'm not sure if we need those. [16:31] MixCool: Whats so strange whit that? [16:31] SInce we only have two. [16:31] Anyways, when you have the time, look for chapters that need work. [16:32] We just have one, USC notification is not working. [16:32] hmm… [16:33] It was some renaming that messed it up [16:33] ah, sorry, lose track of the time, im here now [16:33] hey :) [16:34] Glad you're here. :D [16:34] Sorry I'm late guys. [16:34] Hi Omega. :D [16:34] :) [16:34] hi madnessred [16:34] Hi Omega and MadnessRed [16:34] Hello MadnessRed and Omega :) Welcome :) [16:34] So, menu orientation. Does anyone have any ideas for changing the menu? [16:35] An home button that shows an page to choose chapter? [16:35] Something like dashboard Silasle ? [16:35] Yea, something like that [16:35] Hey guys [16:35] I like the sound of a software-center style page, on its own or in addition to a menu. [16:36] how do you mean? [16:36] could make the menu horizontal, or maybe even detachable or horizontal / vertical switching [16:37] MadnessRed: did you mean me? [16:37] yes sorry, [16:38] I mean have a page with pretty icons and so on with large links to categories and smaller links to pages. [16:38] By pages I mean chapters. [16:38] Not individual pages. :P [16:38] yh, that sounds good, [16:39] Yes , thats pretty good idea :) ex: software center page [16:39] just seen the new software centre page, yes thats good :) [16:39] Muscovy: I love the "software center way", maybe even an small featured part? [16:39] Silasle: that would be cool. [16:40] also the horizontal menu, how was that planned to work? [16:40] Or even recommended based on usage? [16:40] great idea [16:40] Anyoe have any ideas for changing the menu? [16:40] How silasle? [16:41] Moiso: I think zetgeist can help us whit that [16:41] *zeitgeist [16:41] collapse the categories? [16:41] that would be great [16:42] Maybe collapse the page list for tours other than the current one? [16:42] Silasle: The application would need zeitgeist integration though [16:42] yeah [16:42] Yeah, we've been down the road of patching things in. [16:43] Ok, so any other ideas for changing the sidebar? [16:43] use app icons? [16:43] That sounds good. [16:44] It would help associate the launchers. [16:44] yep [16:44] they are in /usr/share/icons .. [16:44] well [16:45] Most application icons are is /usr/share/icons/hicolor I think. [16:46] the categories could get their icons from gtk-theme [16:46] By the way, thinking of menus, can we increase the text size a little bit? [16:46] A number of people, particularly over 40 had issues seeing it. [16:46] Text size in the page body I mean, since it's the smallest. [16:46] isn't it the standard font.size of the system? [16:47] It feels like it's a bit smaller. [16:47] that is part of the appearance, I have 12px everywhere [16:47] hmm… [16:48] why muscovy? I think it's ok the size it is [16:49] I can see it could be a bit small, I think it should be consistent with the menu in font-size [16:49] so that if a user increased font size, it increaes [16:49] Maybe a +/- button for font size? [16:50] I'm going to get breakfast, back in a moment. [16:50] kk, maybe, we need it to be kept though [16:50] better to point them to appearance instead [16:50] breakfast? whats your time? [16:50] if they have trouble reading that, then they will want to inprove readability everywhere [16:50] font-configuration is at the end of chapter "desktop configuration" [16:52] ok [16:52] MixCool: almost 9 am here. [16:53] wow 5pm here :D [16:53] time for supper :P [16:53] Ok, so end result, look into a "home page"? [16:53] yes [16:53] I can play with some html style mockups. [16:54] unity use some cool category buttons, someone saw it? [16:55] nope [16:55] Yep, I used Unity for a few weeks. [16:55] We may have to make new icons though, because Unity doesn't have enough. [16:55] I search for some screens [16:56] http://vimeo.com/15102255 is a Unity demo of mine. [16:56] http://www.gtzero.com/unity/ [16:57] not really UndiFineD [16:57] are they both images? [16:57] unity is the ubuntu-netbook remix [16:57] http://i.imgur.com/0D9yu.png [16:57] A picture of a video of unity icons. :P [16:57] that's what I mean [16:57] :D [16:57] ok i see [16:58] just did a really fast search [16:58] very pretty icons [16:58] yep [16:58] 200x200px png-format [16:58] tango-style [16:58] I especially like the web one. [16:58] yeah [16:59] I'll have to check these videos after the meeting, [16:59] k [16:59] Cool icons , Just checked :) [17:00] Ok, so I'll do that in the next few days. [17:00] Also, the idea of only the selected tour being open, what do people think of that? [17:00] Muscovy: could you copy the icons from the system to project-directory? [17:00] if we are to make use of unity icons, use them form the same location, not to clutter users systems with duplicates [17:00] sorry very badly worded, only the selected tour being expanded in the menu [17:01] will normal desktop users have unity icons? [17:01] no [17:01] only the netbook-remox have them [17:01] UndiFineD: but they're only installed on netbook edition. [17:01] *remix [17:01] didn't think so [17:01] I'll pull/push them in the ./images. [17:02] thanks [17:02] exactly, you can expect the tour to run on all ubuntu derivates [17:02] ./images is for images not specific to languages, right? [17:02] also are those the default icons in the screen or are they the Faenza icons [17:02] Default. [17:02] kk [17:03] so we are planning on using the unity icons on the homepage, to allow the user to select his tour [17:04] Yeah. I can probably make more of the same style. [17:04] I figure a unity icon for each category, maybe a small app icon for each chapter. [17:05] ok [17:05] Ok, pushed Unity icons. [17:05] ok, ill pull in after the meeting [17:05] wow [17:05] svg :) [17:06] also do individual tours want mini homepages [17:06] <3 svg [17:06] Maybe not. [17:06] sounds well [17:06] not individual tours, individual catagories, sorry [17:06] make a separate menu entry for imported tours [17:07] madnessred that sounds good [17:07] Anyone like to take a topic out of the hat? :D [17:07] - Next/back buttons in lightbox (screenshot tag) (easier with pre-index) [17:07] or, the code should walk the full tour, searching for shots and walk the array that way [17:07] translations? :p [17:08] what it the programmers take on this [17:08] we could translate after textfreeze [17:08] on the next/back buttons [17:09] mixcool when should that happen? [17:09] 23th october? [17:09] How necessary / confusing are the back/next buttons? [17:09] Ok we're almost there [17:09] translations would happen after uds [17:10] I mean you only view 1 screenshot at a time, then there will be text before the next [17:10] when we have had our comments [17:10] I feel they're quit necessary. We don't have interactive progression yet, and we wouldn't be able to do it for every page. [17:10] Hm..... Undifined that makes sense [17:11] I translate to dutch where i can, but I won't promise it is done at the 23rd [17:12] we need a flag, to mark finished English articels [17:12] I think translating starts on the 23rd. [17:12] Not sure whether next/back button in screenshot will make user interactive.. They may be confused without reading the text of the specified screenshot. [17:13] [17:13] in every file? [17:13] I mean we risk having the user following screenshots and missing important desciptive info in the text [17:13] true MadnessRed [17:14] Agreed with MadnessRed .. [17:14] Maybe only scroll images for the current page? [17:14] then what do you propose? [17:14] but there's almost one pic [17:14] I propose leaving it as it is, most pages only have 1 or 2 screens [17:15] fine by me [17:15] Sure. [17:15] webrsk, is typing topic :p [17:16] lol, one small thing is that I keep clicking "Close" on the screenshot popups to close them [17:16] I'm away for supper, see you all later [17:16] Bye. [17:16] see you later Silasle [17:16] ok leave it that way [17:16] Until i'm back: Software [17:16] Bye silasle [17:16] oops [17:16] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/Screenshot-29.png [17:16] MadnessRed, I have that too [17:16] pretty [17:17] maybe two lines? [17:17] Yep 2 lines, i can give you the code later [17:17] k [17:18] Another way to close - > MadnessRed, you can click anywhere on that page so that it will close. [17:18] i think that the homepage should possible have some kind of animation, like when you mouse over a catagory, something happens [17:18] guys i need to leave. Must buy some milk for breakfast :/ [17:19] Maybe a glow effect or something. [17:19] glow is good [17:19] Starting with full spanish translations on 23 then [17:19] yh, talking of glow, the shadow for lightbox, does anyone else think it should be removed because the menu isn't shadowed and it looks a bit odd [17:20] How about having Tooltips when we mouse over on a category ... [17:20] By the way, screenshot CD will be up today, since it seems we won't get any more surprise UI changes. [17:20] MadnessRed, I have everyting shadowed, it looks good with me [17:21] the menu doesn't darken though [17:22] hmm… [17:22] the menu stays the same light grey, where it should darken with the rest of the page, it looks a bit odd [17:22] Also, I don't think that Home needs to be in a catagory, I think it can be a 1 generation thingy [17:23] Yeah menu is kept separated from the content area .. [17:23] Only content area gets shadowed on click of screenshot. [17:23] MadnessRed: like in Ubuntu-Tweak? [17:23] I don't have ubuntu tweak atm, [17:24] hm [17:24] mom [17:24] yeah that is a nice app [17:25]