| medvind | hi. I've noticed there is no realtime kernel in the repositories for Maverick. is this because the realtime capabilities have been integrated into the generic kernel? | 15:29 |
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| ScottL | persia, sorry for the delay, are you available to continue the seeds discussion? | 20:01 |
| ScottL | also, for those interested, new website mock-ups, including the correct blue for persia and a dark theme for jussi ;) | 20:03 |
| ScottL | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskWebRevamp#Audio%20Horizons%20v2 | 20:03 |
| ScottL | scroll down a bit for the dark theme | 20:04 |
| persia | And now I know why I woke up to early today :) | 20:18 |
| persia | s/to/so/ | 20:18 |
| ScottL | for our discussion? or the website? or something else? | 20:32 |
| persia | For our discussion, I think. | 20:32 |
| ScottL | that sounds good to me | 20:32 |
| ScottL | are you ready to talk about the seeds now? | 20:52 |
| persia | Sure. | 20:52 |
| persia | So, I just checked, and http://typewith.me/vUpaZVtuLq is still full of content | 20:53 |
| ScottL | i'm sorry, were you expecting me to moderate the contents? | 20:53 |
| persia | No, but etherpad times out after a while sometimes, and needs to be repopulated, if nobody is looking at it. | 20:54 |
| persia | I believe that document to embed three significant things: | 20:54 |
| persia | 1) An outline of how seeds, tasks, and metapackages are defined and interrelate | 20:55 |
| persia | 2) documentation of the structure of the seeds, tasks, and metapackages for maverick | 20:55 |
| persia | 3) a template to use to define the structure for natty | 20:55 |
| ScottL | and one thing you took exception to was my assertion that audio-common needed to be a metapackage | 20:57 |
| ScottL | my concern was a user who used a vanilla ubuntu install might apt-get install ubuntustudio-generation | 20:57 |
| persia | Sure. | 20:57 |
| persia | So, look at maverick. Look at "desktop-common" | 20:57 |
| persia | Notice that it's not either a task or a metapackage. | 20:58 |
| persia | Also notice that the contents are part of ubuntustudio-desktop task and metapackage, without being explictly in that seed. | 20:58 |
| ScottL | sorry, getting kids settled again | 21:01 |
| persia | no worries | 21:03 |
| ScottL | okay, i see that desktop-common is not a metapackage or task | 21:03 |
| ScottL | i see desktop: desktop common in the STRUCTURE file | 21:03 |
| ScottL | but do i need to worry how a user would get desktop-common if they were were installing ubuntustudio-desktop | 21:04 |
| persia | s/worry/understand/ | 21:05 |
| ScottL | yes, i would like to understand :) | 21:05 |
| ScottL | i almost *always* want to understand | 21:05 |
| persia | So, because STRUCTURE declares that desktop depends on desktop-common, every task or metapackage generated from the desktop seed will include everything from the desktop-common seed. | 21:06 |
| ScottL | hmmm, is this analogous to Depends: in /debian/control ? | 21:07 |
| persia | No. | 21:08 |
| persia | It's more like file inclusion in a number of programming languages. | 21:08 |
| ScottL | i reread your statement again, it will include everything with it | 21:09 |
| persia | So that the content of the desktop-common seed is added to the content of the desktop seed for purposes of generating tasks and metapackages. | 21:09 |
| ScottL | not that it depends on it so it will need to be installed as well | 21:09 |
| ScottL | it will already be there | 21:09 |
| ScottL | 21:09 | |
| persia | Right. | 21:09 |
| ScottL | SO, when a vanilla ubuntu user wants to install ubuntustudio-desktop | 21:10 |
| ScottL | it will also be installing ubuntustudio-desktop-common because -desktop-common will be included in -desktop | 21:10 |
| persia | Rather, it will also be installing the contents of the ubuntustudio/desktop-common seed, but essentially, yeah. | 21:11 |
| ScottL | okay, so audio-common does NOT need to be a metapackage or task, right | 21:13 |
| persia | That's my opinion. | 21:13 |
| ScottL | it shall be done | 21:13 |
| ScottL | any other critiques of the plan? | 21:14 |
| persia | I hadn't prepared a critique: I more imagined we'd go over what was in etherpad, and flesh out the natty bits to match what you seek to accomplish. | 21:14 |
| persia | I can prepare a critique if you'd prefer. | 21:15 |
| ScottL | i think i had more or less had things in the link i posted earlier pretty well fleshed out addressing the etherpad contents | 21:19 |
| ScottL | my only concern at the time was the audio-common issue which we addressed | 21:19 |
| ScottL | but of course, just because i'm not concerned with it doesn't mean i'm not doing something wrong ;) | 21:20 |
| persia | OK. I guess my main concern with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Seeds%20Update is that I wasn't sure there was a clear picture of the end-state. | 21:21 |
| ScottL | i'm not sure what you mean by "end-state" | 21:24 |
| persia | What it looks like after all the modifications. | 21:25 |
| persia | Might just be different ways of thinking about things. I tend to think about how it is and how it should be, rather than how it is and how it should be changed. | 21:25 |
| persia | But nothing leaps out at me about your modification procedure, and if you've no other questions about the contents of the etherpad, we might be good. | 21:27 |
| ScottL | sorry, once again, the kids are acting up | 21:32 |
| ScottL | this weekend started beautifully and very enjoyably with our picnic by the lake and denigrated shortly after our return :( | 21:33 |
| ScottL | to summarize the modification or the end-state: | 21:33 |
| ScottL | 1. the video and graphics remain structurally unchanged, just fewer packages in the seeds | 21:33 |
| ScottL | 2. audio will be dropped, but a transitional package will be included in the /debain/control file that Depends: ubuntustudio-generation ubuntustudio-recording | 21:34 |
| ScottL | 3. generation and recording seeds will be new | 21:34 |
| ScottL | 4. STRUCTURAL file will eliminate audio but add generation: audio-common and recording: audio-common | 21:35 |
| ScottL | that at least is the thrust as i am able to focus and remember it at this time | 21:35 |
| persia | That's a clear summary of the modifications, and matches what you've put in the sandbox. | 21:36 |
| persia | Doesn't really summarise the result, but that's fine: I think we think differently about these sorts of things, and I'm not going to make you think the way I think just because I think that way. | 21:37 |
| ScottL | oh, i think the end-state is that the user will select between the generation and recording tasks for audio packages during installation | 21:38 |
| ScottL | each of those will include audio-common | 21:38 |
| ScottL | video and graphic remain virtually identical for installation purposes | 21:39 |
| persia | Oh, sure. It's the entirety of the end state that isn't documented. Really, don't worry about it. | 21:39 |
| persia | When you get through the procedure, let me know, and I'll look at the results :) | 21:39 |
| ScottL | good deal | 21:40 |
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