[01:27] <nitemovz> Hello all!
[01:28] <nitemovz> I am having a small issue with Ubuntu Studio and was hoping that someone would be able to help me out.
[01:29] <nitemovz> I have it ser
[01:29] <nitemovz> Setup, amd
[01:30] <nitemovz> And all my audio is being picked up through JACK. And JACK is distributing my audio to the applications. The only issue is, the audio from my mic is very low. Is there a way to adjust this?I do not have a pre amp yet
[01:30] <nitemovz> Or an audio interface. I am currently still using the sound card that is in my computer
[02:53] <deep-thought> hello, one can say me like me lightscribe under ubuntu 10.10 64bit to run agrees?
[03:18]  * holstein never got lightscribe under 64bit going
[03:18] <holstein> i was thinking about chroot
[03:18] <holstein> if anyone sees deep-thought again...
[04:52] <NOMADICUS> Hello, I am trying to figure out how to use Jack, but I can't seem to find any useful information.  Do any of you have useful links I could digest?
[04:53] <NOMADICUS> Or do you know of any other channels where people discuss audio?
[05:31] <SoulKnife> hey
[05:31] <SoulKnife> what's up
[05:34] <SoulKnife> anyone there?
[05:34] <SoulKnife> ello?
[07:04] <Guest70754> Got a question; my sound is really freaking distorted on lmms and Hydrogen, been reading for about four hours but haven't found anything, anyone have any experience with this?
[07:04] <pseydtonne> Not sure I can help. Which sound card ya got?
[07:05] <Guest70754> HDA intel or something like that, need the specific one?
[07:05] <pseydtonne> I'm assuming it's whatever got built into the mobo.
[07:06] <Guest70754> yes sir
[07:07] <holstein> whats your JACK settings like?
[07:07] <pseydtonne> Okay, then knowing it's Intel is 75% of the way there.
[07:08] <Guest70754> uh I have Realtime checked, Force 16bit, Dither: None, Audio: Duplex, Driver: asla, everything else is on default
[07:08] <holstein> NOMADICUS: #opensourcemusicians is a great channel for that :)
[07:09] <holstein> Guest70754: whats the msec latency
[07:09] <holstein> down in the right?
[07:10] <Guest70754> 46.4
[07:10] <holstein> shouldnt be that then...
[07:10] <holstein> hmmm
[07:10] <holstein> only lmms and hydrogen?
[07:11] <Guest70754> haven't tried very many of the other programs, used Rakarrack and it was fine
[07:11]  * holstein is a rakkarack fan :)
[07:11] <Guest70754> :) noice
[07:11] <holstein> Guest70754: yoshimi is pretty easy to get a sound out of
[07:11] <holstein> you want to tell pseydtonne what card you have
[07:11] <holstein> and try yoshime
[07:12] <holstein> yoshimi*
[07:12] <holstein> and we'll all give it a think
[07:12] <holstein> Guest70754: are you sure its not in the monitoring somehow?
[07:13] <Guest70754> no idea???
[07:13] <holstein> maybe try a headphone jack if you have one
[07:13] <holstein> just to rule out the monitoring scenario
[07:14] <Guest70754> kk
[07:14] <Guest70754> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
[07:14] <pseydtonne> Okay, and has this been happening since you installed, since a recent upgrade or what?
[07:15] <Guest70754> since I installed
[07:15] <Guest70754> my brother is having the exact same problem on his PC
[07:15] <holstein> 10.10 ?
[07:15] <pseydtonne> You tested a differnt Linux on the box before Studio?
[07:16] <Guest70754> well actually I'm on ubuntu, 10.10, and my brother is on 9.10
[07:16] <Guest70754> I'm on 10.04 *
[07:16] <Guest70754> sorry
[07:17] <pseydtonne> no problem.
[07:17] <pseydtonne> Regular Ubuntu then, or Studio?
[07:17] <Guest70754> regular
[07:17] <Guest70754> on both
[07:18] <holstein> and sound otherwise is fine and dandy?
[07:18] <holstein> with pulse or whatever?
[07:18] <Guest70754> yeah
[07:18] <holstein> interesting
[07:19] <pseydtonne> If you pop in the Ubuntu CD-ROM and boot from that, does sound work?
[07:19] <holstein> ive never been able to get lmms to run long enough to make any noise ;)
[07:19] <pseydtonne> Not to install, just to run.
[07:19] <Guest70754> lol that sucks, @pseydtonne I'll try really quick
[07:19] <holstein> its pretty strange that those 2 programs would do the same thing
[07:20] <holstein> i know lmms is buggy
[07:20] <holstein> but hydrogen is usually pretty cool
[07:20] <holstein> Guest70754: how long has it been since you updated?
[07:21] <Guest70754> yeah it's working (on my brother's at least), I just did a fresh install on Wednesday and upgraded that night
[07:22] <Guest70754> came back to lunix since I don't really play PC games anymore and I found ubuntustudio
[07:22] <holstein> well, let me install lmms here on the 10.04 instal
[07:23] <holstein> and see if its working
[07:24] <holstein> well, im getting a lot of packages from falktx's PPA though
[07:24] <holstein> i dont have an ubuntu 10.04 install around without falks ppa on it
[07:28] <Guest70754> hmmm
[07:29] <Guest70754> well I appreciate your guys' help, I have church in the morning though and I'm already up way too late
[07:29] <Guest70754> might try AVlinux
[07:29] <pseydtonne> Sleep well.
[07:29] <holstein> Guest70754: try KZstudio too
[07:29] <pseydtonne> Worry about it once you've rested.
[07:29] <holstein> KXstudio*
[07:29] <Guest70754> thanks guys
[07:30] <holstein> pseydtonne: you been here before?
[07:31] <holstein> either way, glad your here, and answering questions
[07:32] <pseydtonne> First time here, but thanks! Answering questions is easier than asking.
[07:32] <pseydtonne> I had a question, but the next step in my problem-solving answered it.
[07:32] <holstein> cool
[07:33] <pseydtonne> Wait, you're in Germany? It's 8:30 in the morning there. That's too early for the Internet on a Sunday.
[07:33] <holstein> hehe
[07:33] <holstein> nah
[07:34] <holstein> im in the states
[07:34] <holstein> its late though
[07:34] <holstein> i got in from a concert
[07:34] <holstein> and im not ready to sleep yet
[07:34] <pseydtonne> Oh, you're on a Frankfurt server. Never mind.
[07:34] <pseydtonne> Partial illiteracy.
[07:34] <pseydtonne> Who'd you see?
[07:35] <holstein> i played a concert
[07:35] <holstein> joes cafe is what its called
[07:35] <holstein> a guy Rupert Wates
[07:35] <holstein> his stuff
[07:35] <holstein> my girlfriend was out on tour with hiim for 2 months
[07:36] <holstein> and they came back recently
[07:36] <holstein> we had their last show here
[07:38] <pseydtonne> Where is here? I'm now guessing the Northeast from Rupert's web site.
[07:38] <holstein> im in asheville NC
[07:38] <holstein> http://www.whitehorseblackmountain.com/
[07:38] <holstein> ^^ thats where we played
[07:38]  * holstein not crazy about the venue
[07:38] <holstein> but we had a good show
[07:38] <holstein> decent turn out
[07:40] <pseydtonne> Good on ye!
[07:40] <holstein> you on the west coast?
[07:40] <pseydtonne> Boston, actually.
[07:41] <holstein> ok
[07:41] <pseydtonne> Not a native -- been here a decade.
[07:43] <holstein> well
[07:43] <holstein> i gotta try and get some shut-eyt
[07:43] <holstein> eye*
[07:43] <holstein> pseydtonne: welcome
[07:43] <pseydtonne> Sleep well!
[07:43] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians if you get bored :)
[07:43] <holstein> GN...
[07:44] <pseydtonne> okaydoke
[13:08] <domjohnson> Hello
[13:08] <domjohnson> Why doesn't JACK work in 10.10?
[13:21] <persia> !doesntwork
[13:21] <persia> But really, works for some folk, so maybe ask a more precise question?
[13:46] <domjohnson> Well, it says "Can't start JACK. Sorry."
[13:46] <domjohnson> I'll pastebin the messages iwndow
[13:47] <domjohnson> http://pastebin.com/JQTHfk9x
[14:06] <persia> Well, that's not a very helpful error message.  What did you do to generate it?
[14:16] <persia> As we seem to be having a rather high-latency conversation, I'll ask some more questions in advance :)
[14:17] <persia> Which sound card do you have?  Does audio work in other contexts (without JACK)?  Is anything else generating audio when you are starting JACK?
[14:57] <medvind> hello. I've just installed ubuntu studio 10.10. there doesn't seem to be any realtime kernel in the repositories. is this correct? I've tried googling around for an explanation but I still haven't been enlightened...
[15:18] <astraljava> medvind: Yes that is correct.
[15:20] <medvind> astraljava, I heard that the realtime capabilities would be built into the generic kernel. Has this been done? Or should I look for a PPA that contains a realtime kernel?
[15:24] <astraljava> medvind: I am not up-to-date on those features, but I heard something similar. Currently there doesn't seem to be a PPA offering a realtime kernel for Maverick.
[15:25] <medvind> astraljava, alright. thanks. I'll go ask in #ubuntustudio-devel about this
[16:27] <medvind> hello. I've just installed Ubuntu Studio Maverick. my gnome terminal is extremely slow/laggy. anly clues as to why this could be? i am not using any proprietary graphics driver, and nothing seems to be eating CPU.
[17:16] <poine> hello world
[19:01] <nitemovz> Hello all!
[19:02] <holstein> o/
[19:08] <nitemovz> I am having some issues with Ubuntu Studio.
[19:08] <nitemovz> I was hoping someone would be able to assist.
[19:09] <holstein> nitemovz: we do what we can...
[19:09] <holstein> whats up?
[19:09] <TuXes> New Peak for this channel is 1 set on 17/10/2010
[19:10] <holstein> nitemovz: 10.10 ?
[19:10] <TuXes> can someone help me set up my network an maverick?
[19:10] <holstein> TuXes: wireless?
[19:11] <TuXes> sure
[19:11] <holstein> TuXes: you might just want to install the normal gnome network manager
[19:11] <holstein> there is a reason why its not installed in ubuntustudio
[19:11] <holstein> but, if thats what your used to using
[19:11] <TuXes> i think it is
[19:11] <TuXes> is there a command to run it
[19:12] <holstein> TuXes: is the machine online?
[19:12] <holstein> wired?
[19:12] <holstein> right now
[19:12] <TuXes> no cant do that eithe
[19:13] <TuXes> need to set that up many=ually?/
[19:13] <TuXes> loopback?
[19:13] <holstein> TuXes: how does the networking hardware act with a 10.10 live CD ?
[19:14] <TuXes> there was no live studio cd dvd provided i dont know
[19:14] <holstein> right
[19:14] <TuXes> on ubuntu fine
[19:14] <holstein> the normal maverick live CD will give you some insight though
[19:14] <TuXes> fine
[19:14] <holstein> TuXes: so, your dual booting?
[19:14] <holstein> ubntu and ubuntusudio?
[19:15] <TuXes> no only studio is installed
[19:15] <holstein> both 10.10?
[19:15] <holstein> AH
[19:15] <holstein> if i were you, i would try a maverick live CD
[19:15] <holstein> see how the networking hardware reacts
[19:15] <holstein> then
[19:15] <holstein> look at lspci
[19:16] <holstein> see if both the networking adapters are being recognized
[19:16] <holstein> TuXes: you can run that right now
[19:16] <holstein> open a terminal
[19:16] <holstein> and run
[19:16] <holstein> lspci
[19:16] <TuXes> isnt there a way to set networking up in terminal, like the loopback
[19:16] <holstein> you should see your network adapters
[19:16] <TuXes> ok. i have to step away a sec
[19:16] <holstein> TuXes: sure
[19:17] <holstein> but we should see if the adapters are being recoginzed
[19:17] <TuXes> sudo lspci?
[19:17] <holstein> nah
[19:17] <holstein> just lspci should do it
[19:17] <TuXes> k
[19:17] <holstein> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[19:17] <holstein> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[19:18] <holstein> TuXes: ^^ thats my networking hardware
[19:19] <TuXes> intel wifi and broadcom gigalink it finds
[19:19] <holstein> cool
[19:19] <TuXes> >:)
[19:19] <TuXes> mudt be a dell
[19:19] <holstein> TuXes: try
[19:19] <holstein> ifconfig
[19:20] <holstein> see if you have an entry for eth0
[19:20] <holstein> TuXes: you can try
[19:20] <holstein> plugging in the network cable
[19:20] <holstein> and restarting the box
[19:21] <holstein> that would be an easy test for the wired connection
[19:21] <TuXes> thrs an adrs, broadcast & mask for the gigalink
[19:21] <holstein> TuXes: OK
[19:21] <holstein> try
[19:21] <TuXes> iterupt
[19:21] <holstein> ping -c 4 google.com
[19:23] <TuXes> no what
[19:23] <TuXes> i dint have the cable fully plugged in, should i restart
[19:23] <TuXes> i got unkonw host
[19:23] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/118928
[19:24] <holstein> TuXes: ^^ thats what it'll look like
[19:24] <holstein> TuXes: sure
[19:24] <holstein> thats the easiest way i think
[19:24] <holstein> then you'll know
[19:24] <holstein> and be able to install the other network manager if you choose
[19:26] <TuXes> ok i got uahoo on sydio with etho
[19:26] <TuXes> tu
[19:26] <TuXes> now to get wifi going
[19:28] <holstein> TuXes: cool
[19:28] <TuXes> wiredcd isnt there somthing like that
[19:28] <holstein> let me find that package name...
[19:28] <TuXes> ty
[19:29] <holstein> OK
[19:29] <holstein> try
[19:30] <holstein> sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[19:30] <TuXes> ok
[19:30] <holstein> probably have to restart
[19:30] <holstein> but you should then have the old familiar tray applet
[19:30] <holstein> the nm-applet
[19:30] <holstein> TuXes: again
[19:30] <holstein> there is a reason why its not installed in ubuntustudio
[19:31] <holstein> TuXes: you might want to try using the network tool
[19:31] <holstein> included
[19:31] <holstein> ive never tried to set up wireless with it in maverick
[19:31] <holstein> i heard it was fixed and working though
[19:31] <holstein> still, the gnome applet will work
[19:31] <holstein> and you probably wont run into the performance issues
[19:31] <holstein> and you can always remove it
[19:32] <holstein> ive got both
[19:33] <holstein> on 2 different machines
[19:33] <holstein> i have a laptop with the nm-applet running
[19:33] <holstein> and my desktop is ubuntustudio
[19:33] <holstein> without it
[19:34] <holstein> the performance issue is less and less of an issue these days
[19:34] <holstein> but, still there
[19:36] <holstein> food.. BBL
[19:38] <deadhead> mb,
[19:39] <deadhead> hm
[19:51] <deadhead> now lean to make gnmome net manager auto start
[19:55] <holstein> deadhead: look under
[19:56] <holstein> system -preferences - startup aplications
[19:56] <holstein> app*
[19:57] <deadhead> yea
[20:00] <deadhead> no doesnt work that easy
[20:00] <deadhead> i have googled this
[20:01] <deadhead> peoplle all over hae troblw with this one
[20:01] <holstein> i usually
[20:01] <holstein> IF i want wireless
[20:02] <holstein> i just install normal ubuntu
[20:02] <holstein> and do
[20:02] <holstein> !vanilla
[20:02] <holstein> and add whatever apps i want
[20:02] <holstein> from the ubuntustudio metapackages
[20:02] <holstein> just to make life easier :)
[20:02] <holstein> deadhead: should be doable though
[20:03] <holstein> deadhead: you dont have nm-applet?
[20:12] <deadhead> no
[20:12] <deadhead> i went to wircd
[20:13] <deadhead> it works
[20:13] <deadhead> New Peak for this channel is 32 set on 17/10/2010
[20:13] <holstein> cool
[20:13] <deadhead> opps
[20:13] <deadhead> sorry
[20:13] <nitemovz> I am in serious need of help with Jack
[20:13] <holstein> deadhead: thats probably lighter anyways
[20:13] <holstein> if it works for you :)
[20:13] <holstein> hey nitemovz
[20:13] <deadhead> cool ty
[20:13] <holstein> whats the deal?
[20:13] <holstein> deadhead: anytime
[20:13] <nitemovz> I have yet to receive my pre-amp and audio interface. I am running my mic through my computer soundcard, and the audio levels are really low.
[20:13] <nitemovz> How can I fix this?
[20:14] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians when you get a chance :)
[20:14] <holstein> nitemovz: your internal sound card
[20:14] <nitemovz> Yes
[20:14] <holstein> COULD
[20:14] <holstein> and probably does
[20:14] <holstein> just have low-gain
[20:14] <holstein> if you want a mic there
[20:14] <holstein> you might need a preamp
[20:15] <holstein> thats not really what the intended purpose is
[20:15] <holstein> for those devices
[20:15] <nitemovz> Well, I am trying to record with the internal sound card until my pre-amp and audio interface show up.
[20:15] <holstein> that being said
[20:15] <holstein> you can route a cheap mixer into it
[20:15] <holstein> and get the gain up
[20:15] <holstein> and get something acceptable
[20:16] <holstein> nitemovz: you can try adding gain
[20:16] <holstein> something like http://www.linuxdsp.co.uk/download/index.html
[20:16] <holstein> in the JACK route
[20:16] <holstein> BUT, with that internal card
[20:16] <holstein> anything you do on the 'inside' will probably just boost the noise as well
[20:17] <holstein> nitemovz: you can look in
[20:17] <holstein> alsamixer
[20:17] <holstein> hit F5
[20:17] <holstein> OR F4
[20:17] <holstein> ad see that all the capture levels are up
[20:17] <holstein> and*
[20:18] <nitemovz> Is that within Ardour?
[20:18] <holstein> open up a terminal
[20:18] <holstein> and type
[20:18] <holstein> alsamixer
[20:18] <holstein> and hit F4
[20:18] <holstein> that'll be your 'capture' levels
[20:19] <nitemovz> Awesome!
[20:19] <nitemovz> Thank you for that, and my levels are relatively low
[20:19] <holstein> that *might help :)
[20:19] <holstein> wont hurt to try
[20:20] <nitemovz> One of the plugins you suggested to download, which would be the best for adjusting my gain?
[20:20] <holstein> i would probably try the compressor
[20:20] <holstein> and use 'gain makeup'
[20:21] <holstein> you can probably find a plugin though
[20:21] <holstein> and run it with JACKrack
[20:21] <holstein> something already installed
[20:21] <holstein> those are just really easy to use
[20:21] <nitemovz> I really appreciate the help holstein
[20:21] <holstein> nitemovz: anytime :)
[20:22] <nitemovz> Okay, I am new to ardour as well.
[20:23] <nitemovz> I have only ever used the Logic Studio, Soundtrack Pro, Audition, and Soundbooth
[20:23] <nitemovz> How do I set a track to record in Ardour?
[20:24] <holstein> nitemovz: you know how to route in JACK?
[20:24] <nitemovz> I am completely new to Ubuntu Studio.
[20:24] <holstein> under 'connect
[20:24] <holstein> '
[20:24] <holstein> when JACK is up and running properly
[20:24] <holstein> you click on 'connect'
[20:25] <holstein> that will have 2 columns
[20:25] <holstein> under the 'audio' tab
[20:25] <holstein> there are little + signs
[20:25] <nitemovz> I see ardour & system
[20:25] <holstein> you click those to expand the entries
[20:25] <holstein> your sound card ins will be there
[20:25] <holstein> left and right
[20:26] <holstein> you can use those like a 2 track recorder
[20:26] <holstein> and route them however you want
[20:26] <holstein> SAY
[20:26] <holstein> you have your mic pugged in to the left
[20:26] <holstein> and a guitar plugged into the right
[20:26] <holstein> you go to ardour
[20:26] <holstein> make 2 mono tracks
[20:26] <holstein> come back to JACk connect
[20:27] <holstein> and route the ins on the left
[20:27] <holstein> to the tracks on the right
[20:27] <holstein> you can route the ins on your card to the outputs on your card too
[20:27] <holstein> if you want to monitor that way
[20:27] <holstein> or, you can monitor with ardour
[20:27] <holstein> IF
[20:28] <holstein> you wanted to add that compressor i linked
[20:28] <holstein> BEFORE the track gets recorded
[20:28] <holstein> ont he way in
[20:28] <holstein> you would just route one of the ins
[20:28] <holstein> left or right
[20:28] <holstein> to that compressor
[20:28] <holstein> then from the compressor go the the channel you want it recorded on
[20:28] <holstein> there are 2 arm buttons in ardour
[20:28] <holstein> one on the channel
[20:28] <holstein> the little record button
[20:29] <holstein> and the one up in the main panel
[20:29] <holstein> you 'arm' ardour to record with those
[20:29] <holstein> after you got your routing
[20:29] <holstein> and hit play
[20:29]  * persia notes that attempting to record a guitar without one of a DI box or an audio interface with an instrument in port is likely to damage hardware.
[20:29] <holstein> yeah?
[20:29] <holstein> impedance should be that off
[20:30] <holstein> whats a couple db's between friends ;)
[20:30] <holstein> its not ideal though
[20:30] <holstein> thats for sure
[20:31] <nitemovz> Okay, so once the track and the main program are "armed" and the connections of my system card are connected to the track through Jack, I just have to hit the "play" button in Ardour?
[20:31] <holstein> yup
[20:32] <holstein> to start recording
[20:32] <nitemovz> Okay.
[20:32] <holstein> you should see the meter moving
[20:32] <holstein> on the channel
[20:32] <nitemovz> How do I route from the sound card input to the compressor, then to the track in Ardour?
[20:32] <holstein> start the compressor
[20:32] <holstein> and it will show up
[20:32] <holstein> in both columns
[20:32] <holstein> in JACK connect
[20:33] <holstein> under the audio tab
[20:33] <holstein> just click and drag a line
[20:33] <holstein> or select both and do ctrl-c
[20:34] <nitemovz> Okay, I have made my connections from my soundcard to Ardour, and now my mic is not working.
[20:34] <nitemovz> The only sound I am getting is when I plug my mic in and take it out.
[20:34] <holstein> in what way?
[20:34] <holstein> yeah, thats could just be how low it is
[20:34] <holstein> is there a battery in the mic?
[20:34] <nitemovz> No.
[20:35] <holstein> what kind of mic?
[20:35] <nitemovz> The mic is one that plugs directly into it.
[20:35] <holstein> how are you pluggin it in?
[20:35] <nitemovz> I am not sure, I am in a friends startup studio.
[20:35] <holstein> does it have an 1/8 inch TRS jack on it?
[20:35] <nitemovz> We are starting our own studio together, and we are working off really basic equipment until the newer stuff starts coming in.
[20:42] <nitemovz> I truly appreciate all the help!
[20:43] <nitemovz> You have been wonderful!
[20:43] <nitemovz> I setup the compressor, and adjusted the gain, it works great now.
[20:43] <nitemovz> No extra noise in the background that cannot be removed later
[20:48] <holstein> nitemovz: :)
[20:49] <nitemovz> My friend and I are on B&H Photo Video right now picking out some new gear
[20:49] <nitemovz> any recommendations?
[20:53] <nitemovz> Any particular audio interfaces I should look into?
[20:53] <holstein> depends
[20:54] <holstein> what are your needs?
[20:54] <holstein> inputs?
[20:54] <holstein> mic pre's?
[20:54] <holstein> you should have balanced ins
[20:54] <holstein> i prefer firewire over USB personally
[20:54] <holstein> or a PCI card
[20:54] <nitemovz> Well, we plan on doing a lot of vocals for movies, foley sounds, small bands, as well as full ensambles
[20:55] <holstein> i have a presonus firepod
[20:55] <holstein> 8 preamps
[20:55] <holstein> all balanced ins and outs
[20:55] <holstein> lot of bang for the buck really
[20:55] <holstein> if you dont need it
[20:55] <holstein> just get something with 2 nice preamps on it
[20:56] <holstein> check...
[20:56] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[20:56] <persia> nitemovz, Didn't you just buy two interfaces a couple days ago?
[20:56] <holstein> and
[20:56] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list
[20:56] <holstein> for the firewire devices
[20:57] <holstein> and save your recipts ;)
[20:57] <nitemovz> I see M-Audio popping up everywhere
[20:57] <holstein> reciepts*
[20:57] <nitemovz> And why keep the reciepts?
[20:57] <holstein> maudio is inexpensive
[20:57] <nitemovz> I mean, I do anyway.
[20:57] <persia> For vocals, consider good condenser mics (although this requires greater isolation than dynamics)
[20:57] <holstein> usually decent quality
[20:57] <holstein> the 1010lt is a nice PCI card
[20:58] <holstein> under $200
[20:58] <holstein> only 2 preamps
[20:58] <holstein> 2 balanced ins though
[20:58] <holstein> with 8 other ins
[20:58] <holstein> works well in linux though
[20:59] <holstein> nitemovz: save the receipts for *if* is doesnt work in linux
[20:59] <nitemovz> What about something like this?
[20:59] <nitemovz> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/633327-REG/Focusrite_LIQUID_SAFFIRE_56_Liquid_Saffire_56.html
[21:00] <holstein> if i had that money
[21:00] <nitemovz> Would something like that be beneficial for what I am trying? Also, things that say specifically Mac OS, are a definite don't buy?
[21:00] <holstein> in linux
[21:00] <holstein> i woud probably get something from RME
[21:00] <holstein> would*
[21:00] <holstein> nitemovz: nah, you just have to check those sites for compatibility
[21:01] <holstein> i got the firepod becasue the preamps are decent
[21:01] <holstein> BUT
[21:01] <holstein> the ins are all balanced
[21:01] <nitemovz> That 28x28 I just sent the link for is only $749.00
[21:01] <holstein> if i want to upgrade later
[21:01] <holstein> and add some expensive pres
[21:01] <holstein> i can
[21:02] <holstein> nitemovz: you should google around to check compatibility
[21:02] <persia> I like my saffire, but the 40 is probably plenty big for your needs.
[21:02] <holstein> do you need 28 tracks?
[21:02] <holstein> you gotta have 28 preamps
[21:02] <holstein> decent ones
[21:02] <nitemovz> I am eventually going to be recording whole ensembles of instruments because my friend and I are getting into recording for movies
[21:02] <holstein> say, you want to have some decent $400 dollar preamps
[21:03] <holstein> per channel
[21:04] <persia> In practice, one isn't going to get more than 24 inputs off that: 8 built-in and 2 banks of 8 via ADAT
[21:06] <nitemovz> Does M-Aduio usually work with Linux?
[21:06] <holstein> some of the devices do
[21:06] <holstein> you just have to check at ALSA
[21:06] <holstein> and still
[21:07] <nitemovz> I found a better M-Audio interface for relatively inexpensive price, with 8 pre-amps.
[21:07] <nitemovz> The only thing is, I didn't see it listed on Alsa
[21:08] <holstein> thats another reason i went for the firepod
[21:08] <holstein> i figure at 400 bucks
[21:08] <holstein> if i scrap it
[21:08] <holstein> and go for an RME down the road
[21:08] <holstein> i wont lose much sleep over it
[21:08] <holstein> ive got my money
[21:08] <holstein> 's worth out of it
[21:09] <nitemovz> Alsa says that the Fast Track Pro by M-Audio is compatible, but I am looking at the Fast Track Ultra 8R
[21:09] <nitemovz> Does anyone have any experience with this unit?
[21:09] <persia> I've seen people talk about how it's support is *very* new.
[21:10] <nitemovz> Okay, well, it is supported by Mac OS also, so if it doesn't work with my Ubuntu Studio setup, I can always put it on my Mac OS Setup as well
[21:10]  * holstein runs JACK and ardour in snowleopard sometimes
[21:11] <nitemovz> Oh those programs are available on Mac OS?
[21:11] <persia> Some of them.  Ardour is.
[21:13] <nitemovz> Awesome! But if I end up using my Mac, I will continue to use Soundtrack Pro, or Logic Studio.
[21:13] <nitemovz> Which I already have on them.
[21:17] <nitemovz> Thank you all for your help.
[23:28] <SoulKnife> can anyone here provide help with lmms?
[23:29] <holstein> sudo aptitude remove lmms ;)
[23:29]  * holstein kidding
[23:29] <holstein> SoulKnife: whats the trouble?
[23:30] <holstein> have you tried #lmms ?
[23:30] <SoulKnife> holstein, the pain thing is saying to "please open a pattern by double clicking on it"
[23:30] <holstein> OH
[23:30] <holstein> yeah, i dont use it
[23:30] <holstein> im not sure about how painful the UI is
[23:30] <SoulKnife> lol
[23:30] <SoulKnife> it's fine
[23:30] <holstein> if its funcitoning though
[23:31] <holstein> id hit up hte guys in #lmms
[23:31] <SoulKnife> ty
[23:31] <holstein> might have to sit there for a bit
[23:31] <holstein> id give them a day or so to respond
[23:31] <holstein> SoulKnife: you can try #opensourcemusicians
[23:33] <SoulKnife> holstein, ty again i'll check there
[23:33] <SoulKnife> i think it's a bug in it
[23:33] <SoulKnife> but i need to know how to kill it and re-open it
[23:35] <holstein> AH
[23:35] <holstein> sudo killall lmms
[23:35] <holstein> that might do it
[23:35] <holstein> you can run top or htop
[23:35] <holstein> and find it and kill it
[23:35] <SoulKnife> i'll try that
[23:36] <SoulKnife> no good :(
[23:37] <holstein> SoulKnife: ??
[23:37] <holstein> if lmms is running
[23:37] <holstein> sudo killall lmms should kill it
[23:37] <holstein> are you using JACK?
[23:37] <SoulKnife> holstein, i killed it an reopend it
[23:37] <holstein> you might need to restart JACK as well
[23:37] <SoulKnife> holstein, and the problem still persists
[23:38] <holstein> SoulKnife: 10.10 ?
[23:38] <SoulKnife> my piano roll is complaining that there is no pattern
[23:38] <SoulKnife> and yes 10.10
[23:38] <holstein> and like guitarman is suggesting
[23:38] <holstein> lmms has been buggy
[23:38] <holstein> i heard it was better
[23:38] <holstein> but, ive never felt like i could use it for anything
[23:38]  * persia likes muse for sequencing
[23:39]  * holstein hasnt used muse :/
[23:39] <holstein> but ive heard its awesome
[23:39] <holstein> nobody complains about it being buggy AFAIK
[23:40] <SoulKnife> muse?
[23:41] <holstein> should be in the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage
[23:41] <holstein> p   muse                            - Qt-based midi/audio sequencer
[23:41] <SoulKnife> it's actually in the repos for 10.10 i think
[23:47] <persia> Everything in ubuntustudio-audio is in the repos :)
[23:47] <SoulKnife> :)
[23:47] <persia> muse gets a little funny if you try to record more than 2 tracks at the same time, but is otherwise reasonable for both sequencing and recording.
[23:48] <holstein> AH yeah
[23:48] <holstein> you can do it all in there
[23:48] <holstein> no real automation though i heard
[23:48] <persia> (probably because most folk that want lots of multi- in their multi-track use ardour, so muse doesn't get this part tested heavily)
[23:48] <holstein> the only down-side to it
[23:48] <SoulKnife> gotcha
[23:48] <holstein> for doing everything in there
[23:48] <persia> There's limited automation, but no, it's not a pro-grade tool.  Great for lots of stuff though.
[23:49] <holstein> doesnt have to have automation
[23:49] <holstein> lots of folk dont need it anyways
[23:49] <holstein> if your doing mostly MIDI
[23:49] <holstein> and the occasionaly audio track here and there
[23:49] <holstein> sounds like a winner
[23:50] <holstein> OK... gotta go to work
[23:50] <holstein> laterx...
[23:50] <persia> Even if you're doing mostly audio with a bit of MIDI, but are mostly doing it yourself, laying down new tracks over the old ones, rather than ensemble it works fine.
[23:51] <SoulKnife> midi?
[23:52] <SoulKnife> i am trying to build tracks from ground up