[00:00] <Kangarooo> aah ok .. all my nvidia old cards i think not working as fast as on youknowwhat..
[00:01] <vidd> are you using the nvidia legacy drivers or the new nvidia drivers?
[00:01] <vidd> or the pre-loaded generic drivers
[00:02] <Kangarooo> noveau.. automaticaly set on 10.10 but one card still had access to restricted drivers on 10.04 .. on 9.04 i had for both possible to use nvidia restrited drivers
[00:03] <vidd> the noveau drivers are flaky IMO
[00:03] <Kangarooo> in that time they showed in test very interesting results but still not so fast in reallity..
[00:04] <Kangarooo> yeah but i cant acces now restricted extras.. no drivers since 10.10 and for one card since 10.04
[00:04] <vidd> depending on how old your hardware is, you might want to try using the legacy restriced drivers instead of the "standard" restriced drives
[00:05] <vidd> you should still be able to get into those repositories and get the drivers
[00:05] <vidd> download them as a .deb
[00:05]  * vidd keeps a copy of the old drives for his equiptment on a USB stick...just in case
[00:06] <Kangarooo> ouh about repos .. ive seen sometimes someby writing about deb from packages man pages.. but thers only tar files but not deb files..
[00:07] <vidd> they have all the packages going back to dapper available online
[00:08] <vidd> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[00:11] <vidd> what release had all your drivers?
[00:13] <Kangarooo> for one was 173 also but for other last was 145 or somthing.
[00:14] <Kangarooo> and for that who had 173 had also possible to use 96
[00:14] <vidd> ummm...like "karmic"
[00:17] <Kangarooo> x-team i helped with doing a lot test for that card who could use 173 and 96 and they found some ideas to make noveau better.. so i hope noveau will be better then nvidia drivers.. couse they working all the time with thouse drivers..
[00:17] <vidd> Kangarooo, for nvidia-glx-legacy-XXXX check out http://debian.cs.binghamton.edu/debian/pool/non-free/n/
[00:18] <Kangarooo> x-team is ubuntu team withc makes video drivers and are if i understood corectly also in some other video teams
[00:19] <vidd> while im all for reverse-engineering of drivers to open source, IMO nothing beats what the chip makers release
[00:24] <Kangarooo> ok so i just look in first link of search results for nvidia and find witch driver is for each card.. (ive forgotten even theyr full names so ill look with some command) and then from other link i dl latest of that versions driver and install it yes vidd?
[00:24] <Kangarooo> is it possible it wont work?
[00:25] <vidd> Kangarooo, there is a remote possibility it will not work....but they never let me down b4
[00:25] <Kangarooo> btw once ive messed everything and tryd to install from one wiki with instructions witch didnt worked.. :)
[00:25] <Kangarooo> ok thx vidd
[00:26] <vidd> video cards dont usually need tweeking
[00:26] <vidd> its audio cards that are the real head-bangers
[00:27] <vidd> i long for the days wifi cards were the nightmare!
[00:27] <Kangarooo> whhaaat? then time is lost couse u cant acces internets
[00:28] <Kangarooo> or couse ur card was only one working? :)
[00:28] <vidd> Kangarooo, but wifi issues are not that bad, because you can connect via LAN
[00:29] <vidd> i dont recall a time whan LAN cards were an issue =]
[00:29] <Thermi> gn8
[00:29]  * Thermi goes to bed now
[00:30] <Kangarooo> Therminator ?
[00:30] <Kangarooo> gn The
[00:30] <Thermi> nope
[00:30] <Thermi> not Therminator
[00:30] <Thermi> just Thermi
[00:31] <Kangarooo> i have one friend programmer who made his nick Termi as shorter for Terminator
[00:34] <vidd> Kangarooo, the link i gave b4 was for debian...(should still work) but here is the link for ubuntu: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/n/
[00:34] <vidd> hope it helps =]
[00:35] <vidd> the nice thing about them is that they are all .deb's
[00:35] <vidd> so no compile from source nightmares
[00:36] <Kangarooo> should i need nvidia-173_173.14.28-0ubuntu1_i386.deb or nvidia-glx-173_173.14.28-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ?
[00:36] <Kangarooo> w or wo glx ?
[00:37] <vidd> i would go with glx first
[00:38] <vidd> you MIGHT need w/out for w/ to work properly
[00:38] <vidd> its been a long time since i used nvidia legacy cards =\
[00:39] <vidd> but if you have all your repo's open, then it should pull in what it needs from the repos
[00:41] <Kangarooo> so in case with glx doesnt work i just also install without glx so with glx to work?
[00:41] <vidd> right
[00:41] <vidd> but only install without if with fails
[00:43] <vidd> then install with again
[00:45] <Kangaroooo> great.. i moved FF tab to bookamrk bar and it doestnt let go and FF not responding..
[00:46] <Kangaroooo> now in tty6 in irssi.. any solution better the killing FF ?
[00:46] <vidd> not that i can think of
[00:48] <Kangaroooo> ok killingitall .. i can move mouse it has tab moving icon and works also screenshot command and esc and tty i can acces and ctrl+alt+del
[00:50] <j_> Latest xubuntu is fast, great for my eeepc tx
[00:51] <Kangarooo> j_: yes.. eeepc needs lighter system couse eee has very slow system..
[00:51] <j_> well..now is sleek..I don't need a fast netbook, just usable ;)
[00:52] <j_> Corporate in my company hates me..I mean..How can i do my work with Linux? ;
[00:52] <j_> I wish they open their eyes soon and start to use ubuntuu
[00:53] <vidd> j_, they wnat you to use linux or they DONT want you to use linux?
[00:53] <Kangarooo> he doing it wrong by doing hatin couse u rollin`
[00:53] <j_> they want to stay away from anything other than windows
[00:54] <vidd> they give you and rdesktop to log into?
[00:54] <j_> but things are changing now that people don't have money
[00:54] <j_> yes, I use it..I am able to connect using the PCF profile from cisico
[00:54] <j_> cisco
[00:54] <Kangarooo> ive made for 2 users xubuntu to look a little like windows and for one when 10.10 came out i put on his mac ubuntu and made it look like mac :D
[00:55] <j_> ahaha
[00:55] <vidd> hehe
[00:55] <j_> good one
[00:55] <vidd> i want someone to write a "auto-install linux" virus =]
[00:56] <j_> there are always some disadvantages but in the big picture they are thinking about windows alternatives
[00:56] <j_> I mean, microsoft onenote is a good piece of software
[00:57] <Kangarooo> for about 8 ive put xubuntu i did nothing.. all they needed is just FF and vlc and ad block heres my 1st time run command sudo apt-get purge gimp thunderbird && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install adblock-plus google-chrome-beta ntfs-config flashplugin-nonfree from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kangarooo
[00:58] <j_> I am using Basket for note taking and it is pretty good..Onenote is tha bomb, though
[00:58] <vidd> i made my company's entire tech support staff use linux desktop installs and connect to rdesktop for windows-based apps
[00:58] <j_> not that i need it..Basket does the trick for me
[00:59] <Kangarooo> j_: when i used uknowwhat i used onenote. now my notes are unusable from that time.. cant open..
[00:59] <xGrind> I can not use gpg on xubuntu
[00:59] <vidd> of course, im the entire tech support staff now, so it wasnt all that hard....
[01:00] <j_> Vidd..that is exactly my though.. They would save a bunch of money by using rdesktop and keep support to a minimum
[01:00] <vidd> !gpg
[01:00] <Kangarooo> vidd: auto install linux virus? easy.. just to make it auto start and run a command that dl iso if not dl already else mount it and auto install with user name UrCompIsHacked without passw and thats it..
[01:00] <j_> problem is there are still a bunch of leechers pretending they are worth the salary they get paid
[01:01] <Kangarooo> ill try to make it
[01:01] <vidd> xGrind, whats happening (or not happening) with your gpg?
[01:01] <j_> why would you want to make a autoinstall virus?
[01:02] <j_> vidd:
[01:02] <j_> job security?
[01:02] <j_> ;)
[01:02] <Kangarooo> for windows u can make anykind of command to execute anthing.. dont know what can stop new script from execution witch is hidden in jpg
[01:03] <xGrind> vidd;
[01:03] <xGrind> michael@michael-M810DLU:~$ gpg --fingerprint
[01:03] <xGrind> michael@michael-M810DLU:~$
[01:03] <xGrind> no returns
[01:04] <Kangarooo> j_: so that autoinstall virus auto makes user comp ready with linux OS and with accesible his files (also with option to remove it also) and that would at the same time proove that YouknowwhatOS is bad couse anything can be executed by not knowing.
[01:05] <vidd> xGrind, did you look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto ?
[01:05] <Kangarooo> that will make more attention to fight about Free Secure system vs Mac/Win
[01:05] <j_> well, I understand that...oh....ok..I think I get it...
[01:06] <j_> in xbuntu what is popular for calendar with sync capabilities?
[01:07] <j_> evolution would work but is there anything lighter that someone here uses?
[01:07] <j_> I was used to click in the clock in gnome and have the calendar display ;)
[01:07] <Kangarooo> i would suggest google calendar and to make it seenable in xubuntu install ubuntu google desktop gadgets
[01:09] <j_> good one..a buddy is using it with an iphone but I didn't even thought about google
[01:09] <Kangarooo> j_: so try by 1st installing ligter version in terminal writing sudo apt-get install google-gadgets-qt
[01:09] <vidd> j_, xubuntu uses orange
[01:10] <vidd> orage
[01:10] <Kangarooo> j_: and if not like then sudo apt-get purge google-gadgets-qt && sudo apt-get install google-gadgets-gtk
[01:10] <vidd> mozilla sunbird is also a decent app
[01:10] <j_> yes, I saw orage but is just a simple calendar without sync?
[01:10] <vidd> dunno...i dont have need to sync =\
[01:12] <j_> Kangorooo: what is the difference between qt and gtk as far as usability?
[01:13] <vidd> gtk is open source and qt is MAC IIRC
[01:13] <LoboDeGubbia> hi, Ive trying to instal xubuntu but no works ....
[01:13] <vidd> LoboDeGubbia, how is it "not working"
[01:13] <LoboDeGubbia> pIII, 128 ram hd 40, pc100 mainboard
[01:13] <j_> LoboDeGubbia, it worked here fine
[01:13] <LoboDeGubbia> get freezed
[01:13] <Kangarooo> qt was lighter and one of them was with siderbar and other without siderbar had only possible to make each app to stay on window wihtout alignment..
[01:14] <vidd> LoboDeGubbia, are you using live cd install or alt-cd install?
[01:14] <LoboDeGubbia> live,
[01:14] <LoboDeGubbia> option isntall
[01:14] <LoboDeGubbia> install sorry
[01:14] <Kangarooo> the one with sidebar also can make app to be not aligned anywhere on screen
[01:14] <vidd> LoboDeGubbia, for your system, i would recomment the alt cd
[01:14] <LoboDeGubbia> argh!!!
[01:15]  * vidd recommends the alt cd for every install (or the net-install)
[01:15] <Kangarooo> LoboDeGubbia: it still be pain to use.. too low ram.. if ur in Latvia i can give u some rams
[01:15] <LoboDeGubbia> Ive tryied other distros, ligth ... 32 mb  Ive noted openbox .. tells me cant find cd /devcdrom
[01:15] <Kangarooo> adn yes install will be possible only with alternativa cd
[01:16] <vidd> LoboDeGubbia, do you have persistand LAN connection?
[01:16] <LoboDeGubbia> nope
[01:16] <LoboDeGubbia> thats the problem
[01:16] <vidd> then alt cd is best....
[01:16] <LoboDeGubbia> Ive trying to bring to live old hardware (heheheh)
[01:17] <LoboDeGubbia> many sites says about xubuntu
[01:17] <LoboDeGubbia> but .. hmmm ...
[01:17] <LoboDeGubbia> IVe tryied slitaz another distro, but tells me the same issue ...
[01:18] <vidd> actually...i would recommend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[01:18] <Kangarooo> ive once tryd on 128mb PIII 400mHz overclocked in bios to 533mHz on it openbox system Crunchbang and thats light but only about 9.04 version but not latest and that was really sloooow. no fun using internets
[01:18] <LoboDeGubbia> only 32 mb on iso
[01:18] <LoboDeGubbia> openbox reports sda1, sda2..etc etc.. and cdrom like sdb ?
[01:19] <LoboDeGubbia> showme a limited shell but cd rom not found
[01:19] <LoboDeGubbia> cd alternative hmmmm ..a lot of time to download ...
[01:20] <Kangarooo> google damn small linux i think thats shortest and fastest answer.. if still will be using 128 mb ram.. ive tryd that.. mmmm slowness...
[01:20] <LoboDeGubbia> xubuntu its a debian based distro? its true ?
[01:20] <vidd> yes
[01:20] <j_> tweaked ;0
[01:20] <Kangarooo> xubuntu is ubuntu based witch is debian based :D
[01:20] <vidd> but with your hardware, i still recommend lubuntu
[01:20] <LoboDeGubbia> slitaz too its very small but no work, only 30 mb iso
[01:21] <j_> crunchbang is faster
[01:21] <j_> yes, slitaz was good and fast
[01:21] <LoboDeGubbia> I think mainboard pc100 I think its a pcchips ..
[01:21] <LoboDeGubbia> or some stuff
[01:21] <LoboDeGubbia> dunno
[01:21] <Kangarooo> but not anymore- they made it heavy since 10.04 or 9.10
[01:21] <LoboDeGubbia> I get 10.10 version
[01:22] <LoboDeGubbia> another question,  i have a laptop running ubuntu, but cant install a lexmark z600
[01:22] <vidd> LoboDeGubbia, you can get a net-install iso for *buntu for around 40MB, but need internet access to download other componants during install
[01:22] <LoboDeGubbia> its aold printer
[01:22] <Kangarooo> i meant crunchbang.. havent checked what they do since that day #! made themselfes heavy
[01:22] <LoboDeGubbia> ughhh!!!!
[01:22] <vidd> LoboDeGubbia, lexmark are the MOST anti-linux printers there are
[01:23] <vidd> get an HP printer
[01:24] <LoboDeGubbia> yep, Ive get only RPM s drivers
[01:24] <vidd> HP help greatly with the CUPS project so is the best printers for linux
[01:24] <LoboDeGubbia> and was very painfull
[01:24] <j_> TinyCore is very evil...small but evil if you have time and net working
[01:24] <Kangarooo> LoboDeGubbia: google ubuntu yourprintername and theres some forum threads in ubuntuforums about solution
[01:24] <LoboDeGubbia> tinyCore ?
[01:24] <LoboDeGubbia> Ive get the drivers RPm, converted with alien, but no work!
[01:24] <vidd> LoboDeGubbia, you can install alien to get rpm's to install in *buntu
[01:24] <vidd> !alien
[01:25] <LoboDeGubbia> yes but was the only solution Ive found, and no work
[01:25] <LoboDeGubbia> tells asome about root no own a file o filter ..
[01:25] <LoboDeGubbia> but no root in ubuntu
[01:26] <vidd> LoboDeGubbia,  http://finebushpeople.net/LexmarkZ600
[01:26] <vidd> !sudo | LoboDeGubbia
[01:27] <LoboDeGubbia> yep Ive installed using sudo, all fine, ubuntu recognizes my printer all ok
[01:27] <LoboDeGubbia> installs fine but the moment I send a page to rpint
[01:27] <j_> LoboDeGubbia: http://distrowatch.com/
[01:27] <LoboDeGubbia> tells me about root no won the filter ... etc et..
[01:28] <vidd> did you run CUPS to install the printer?
[01:28]  * vidd doesnt like printers
[01:29] <vidd> its usually cheaper to by a new HP printer then to buy replacement ink!
[01:29] <Kangarooo> paper makes trees being cut..
[01:29] <j_> LoboDeGubbia: i am not saying what I am saying to tell  you what to do..but this is what i do:
[01:29] <LoboDeGubbia> man, I did all the page show
[01:29] <j_> I am going paperless
[01:29] <LoboDeGubbia> rpms, sudo, alien, but no work
[01:29]  * Kangarooo is goin goognight ina sliip 
[01:29] <LoboDeGubbia> yep
[01:30] <j_> you may need paper, nothing wrong with that
[01:30] <vidd> Kangarooo, cutting trees keeps the lumberjacks employed
[01:30] <LoboDeGubbia> always claims root cant own a file
[01:30] <Kangarooo> :D
[01:30] <Kangarooo> ok then war also has pluses :D
[01:30] <j_> I send those pdfs to everyone from my eeepc xbuntu ;)
[01:31] <j_> they can print..I don't have a printer at home...saves money
[01:31] <vidd> hehe
[01:31] <Kangarooo> i use gmail for sharing google docs shared documents..
[01:32] <LoboDeGubbia> Ive trying ....meego ..
[01:32] <vidd> i have a printer because i was required to have one in order to work from home....
[01:32] <vidd> its still sitting in the box
[01:32] <j_> AHAHA
[01:32] <LoboDeGubbia> HP, I hate HP drivers on Xp,
[01:32] <j_> times are changing..only morons don't see that...
[01:32] <vidd> j_, they never said i have to USE it...just own it
[01:33] <vidd> i print everything to the office printer
[01:33] <vidd> =]
[01:33] <j_> vidd: me too..
[01:33] <vidd> gotta love rdesktop =]
[01:33] <j_> then tell the secretary to distribute
[01:34] <Kangarooo> if printing once a month 10 papers better to print them in copycenter by opening shared google docs document in there and sending it to printer there..
[01:34] <j_> vidd: do you have CMS in extra on intranet?
[01:34] <j_> I tried to use google docs but everyone is scared in my office to upset IT
[01:34] <vidd> not sure i know what you mean (so probably no)
[01:34] <j_> they are all MS fanboyz
[01:34] <j_> girlz
[01:35] <j_> Vidd: intranet site content management system like joomla or similar
[01:35] <vidd> yes
[01:36] <j_> with editing capabilities for users, granular permissions, etc
[01:36] <vidd> i use joomla
[01:36] <j_> basically is good to post newsletters, have data separated by department, etc
[01:36] <j_> good
[01:36] <Kangarooo> gdocs isnt platform related.. its webbased.. cloud documents.. like email acces anywhere from any browser (exept IE that has problems) anyone can use it and its faster and easyr then saving sending reading sending.. everyone can write same document at same time..
[01:37] <j_> I am thinking to setup one to show them what it can do..currently they have a aspx product that is terrible
[01:37] <j_> awful interface
[01:37] <LoboDeGubbia> can I try this solution?: install xubuntu in a capable PC, in the hard disk of course, take later the HD and try to run in my old PC ?
[01:37] <j_> no one uses it..they keep trying to change it but is like beating on a dead horse
[01:38] <Kangarooo> j_: big company? witch contry?
[01:38] <vidd> LoboDeGubbia, yes...you can do that
[01:38] <j_> LoboDeGubbia, yes, I did that before
[01:38] <LoboDeGubbia> hmmm ...
[01:38] <j_> not Big, just a couple hundred employees
[01:38] <vidd> where there is a will there is a way (with linux)
[01:38] <LoboDeGubbia> my capable pc its a C2D 2.0, 1.5 gb ram...
[01:38] <j_> most don't use computer
[01:39] <j_> so it's not a big it dep
[01:39] <LoboDeGubbia> my old pc its a pIII 128 ram
[01:39] <vidd> with windows, if there's a will, theres a way to crush it
[01:39] <j_> but they are used to youknowwhat
[01:39] <j_> when i showed them openoffice, they almost fainted ;)
[01:39] <Kangarooo> j_: if big and country has ubuntu loco team i think theyll make best solution with ubuntu and best free services like google.com/a
[01:40] <Kangarooo> ups if big company then not free google.com/apps .. so then just gmail and docs..
[01:41] <j_> problem is that the IT spent some money a few years back in MS
[01:41] <Kangarooo> if not i could try to make presenatation of savings.. only ill need what programms used and who uses comps for what reasons so i could understand what alternatives to put in presantation
[01:41] <j_> and now it looks bad if they choose something else
[01:41] <j_> I am not the man in charge..they are stubborn and don't want to listen
[01:42] <Kangarooo> j_: they can still use money for that.. not necesary needed to kill it.. just use best.. and so everybody happy still speding can be done..
[01:42] <Kangarooo> either u can present or ill contact as advertiser of ubuntu
[01:42] <j_> I tried to call their attention..they are too stupid to even want to hear
[01:43] <j_> its' like wanting for them to say that they made a mistake..
[01:43] <vidd> j_, are you part of IT dept?
[01:43] <j_> older people..
[01:43] <j_> no, that is the problem
[01:43] <j_> I just have fun at work with Linux
[01:43] <LoboDeGubbia> u say older people dont want adopt open source solutions ?
[01:44] <j_> yes, they don't even know what is open source
[01:44] <j_> too busy at work
[01:44] <vidd> i think he means "entrenched establishment employees"
[01:44] <j_> ahaha..exactly
[01:44] <LoboDeGubbia> u have ...25 ?
[01:44] <j_> seniority is job security
[01:45] <j_> no, more like 35
[01:45] <j_> but like linux
[01:45] <LoboDeGubbia> look man they always do the same things for years
[01:45] <j_> is my hobby
[01:45] <LoboDeGubbia> me 37,
[01:45] <LoboDeGubbia> Im helpdesk
[01:45] <LoboDeGubbia> Its a pain try to help people
[01:45] <Kangarooo> couse they old maybe thats why they want at least to be right at something and this is only thing they can be right about by as hitler saying were right.. they can still have that while changin all to better system.. by still speding money it products that maybe gives percentage to thouse it guys.. if its big order of MS products..
[01:45] <LoboDeGubbia> sometimes between IT cant understand ...
[01:45] <vidd> hehe im tech support...i feel your pain!
[01:46] <j_> I was going for help desk but i could not find a job paying me what i do, QC in construction
[01:46] <LoboDeGubbia> I had dull with some people .. grrrrrrr !!!
[01:47] <LoboDeGubbia> I always trying to repair all stupid things they do ...
[01:47] <j_> damn....
[01:47] <LoboDeGubbia> and quikly!! quickly!!!
[01:47] <j_> I was here lookign for command google-gadgets
[01:47] <j_> is ggl-qt ;)
[01:47] <Kangarooo> w8 j_
[01:47] <LoboDeGubbia> command google gadgets ?
[01:48] <LoboDeGubbia> look a man buy a Core i 5 8 gb ram w7.. etc etc
[01:48] <Kangarooo> sudo apt-get install google-gadgets-qt
[01:48] <j_> yes, I was installing to try calendar sync like buddys here suggested
[01:48] <LoboDeGubbia> and they return the PC saying cant work with a old very old program .....
[01:48] <Kangarooo> whaat ? whats that programm?
[01:48] <LoboDeGubbia> he thinked the programs was faster !!
[01:49] <Kangarooo> lol
[01:49] <LoboDeGubbia> some off GIS
[01:49] <j_> Kangarooo: yest, it went fine..but then how to start?
[01:49] <j_> ggl-qt ;)
[01:49] <j_> from terminal
[01:49] <LoboDeGubbia> for w 31 or 95 cant remember
[01:50] <Kangarooo> ahh yes if didnt showed in menu then yes.. something happened with one version by not showing in menu..
[01:50] <Kangarooo> whats GIS?
[01:50] <LoboDeGubbia> geographic information system
[01:51] <vidd> wow...so he never heard of "combatability mode?"
[01:51] <LoboDeGubbia> the guy wants to reinstall all old SW, wxp
[01:51] <LoboDeGubbia> no runs
[01:51] <LoboDeGubbia> compatibility ?
[01:51] <vidd> yes....
[01:52] <LoboDeGubbia> you have to install a virtual machine
[01:52] <Kangarooo> yes without consulting he pays more..
[01:52] <vidd> no...no virtual machine needed
[01:52] <LoboDeGubbia> compatibility aonly works with vista and some Xp progrs
[01:52] <vidd> not true
[01:52] <LoboDeGubbia> dunno why
[01:52] <Kangarooo> yes in properties of .exe file
[01:52] <LoboDeGubbia> Ive tryied compatibylity, but nope!
[01:52] <Kangarooo> theres it changable
[01:52] <vidd> i have DOS apps running in copat mode in win7
[01:52] <LoboDeGubbia> yep Ive tryied!
[01:53] <LoboDeGubbia> usa virtualbox
[01:53] <LoboDeGubbia> use .. i say .. hhehehe my spanish is mixing hehehehe
[01:55] <Kangarooo> j_: so u give comp users situation info so presentation can be made? then u want to present or i contact as from ubuntu loco?
[01:56] <j_> no, sorry can't play with my job..they already told me to leave them alone
[01:56] <j_> sometimes time will take care of it
[01:57] <Kangarooo> if u present then theyll see u interested in making company better if i present ull be 1st hero for everyone helping them addapt
[01:57] <j_> I will continue to use linux on my own eeepc
[01:57] <LoboDeGubbia> join #ubuntu-ec
[01:57] <LoboDeGubbia> sorry
[01:57] <j_> one day they might see the value
[01:57] <LoboDeGubbia> cant write fine
[01:57] <vidd> Kangarooo, if j_ is in USA, jobs are scarce...
[01:58] <Kangarooo> 2nd option is by me contacting so they dont know from who came spark..
[01:58] <j_> yes, very problematic
[01:58] <vidd> he pushes too much, he might end up collecting unemployment for the next 2 years....=]
[01:58] <j_> one time I told them they can use free programs like ftp client filezilla and they almost kicked my out
[01:59] <j_> upset because I didn;t ask for authorization before i sent email
[01:59] <j_> stupid monrons
[01:59] <LoboDeGubbia> whats the proble ..
[01:59] <j_> vidd: you took the words out of my mouth ;)
[01:59] <Kangarooo> it departement? easy to make them laid off by decision they cannot back up..
[02:00] <Kangarooo> whats scarse? cant open translate now..
[02:00] <vidd> Kangarooo, it dont work like that here in the USA
[02:00] <vidd> high demand, low supply
[02:00] <j_> Kangarooo: not so easy when IT dep are friends with owner
[02:01] <LoboDeGubbia> scarse ?
[02:01] <LoboDeGubbia> sparse ?
[02:01] <vidd> my spelling socks
[02:01] <Kangarooo> i like chalenges and this product is easy to sell
[02:01] <j_> there isn't too much work
[02:01] <j_> basically if I loose my current job, I am screwed !
[02:01] <vidd> like "rare"
[02:01] <LoboDeGubbia> age  I think ..
[02:01] <Kangarooo> also they cant lay off by not liking idea..
[02:02] <vidd> but they can
[02:02] <Kangarooo> if they do they are sued..
[02:02] <Kangarooo> can if u whant.. its free will not to sue also..
[02:02] <j_> why not? they can do everything they want..Owner pays my salary
[02:02] <vidd> only if they state that as the reason
[02:02] <j_> I am not in the union because I don't like unions
[02:02] <vidd> and even then...not likely to win
[02:02] <j_> they can say that they don't have enough work for me
[02:03] <vidd> j_, you work in a union shop?
[02:03] <j_> no, I don't like unions
[02:03] <vidd> i dont like unions either
[02:03] <vidd> im a Republican!
[02:04] <vidd> =]
[02:04] <Kangarooo> union? that only gives info.. and helps understanding real reasons to draw attention to.. but thats nothing to do with possible doing what boss want..
[02:04] <Kangarooo> maybe in USA union does something more..
[02:04] <vidd> lets migrate to #xubuntu-offtopic
[02:05] <Kangarooo> ill go sleep.. so j_ then even if i approach without them knowing about u? still no? if change ming i can be found www.wiki.ubuntu.com/kangarooo
[02:06] <Kangarooo> s/ming/mind
[02:12] <j_> no sorry, you are wasting your time. I need my job; see ya
[02:12] <Kangarooo> ok good night .. u wont lose it.. :)
[02:14] <Kangarooo> ull just make it better and making more money so company could put to salaries.. gnight :)
[02:44]  * vidd is installing winxp into a virtualbox on xubuntu =]
[02:55] <inductiveload> hello! does thunar have a way to give it a "forward" & "back" button?
[02:56] <vidd> inductiveload, the little icons above the files sorta works that way
[02:56] <inductiveload> above which files?
[02:57] <vidd> the items in the large right window
[02:58] <inductiveload> o, the path bar thing?
[02:58] <vidd> yep
[02:59] <inductiveload> right, thanks
[03:01] <inductiveload> but it has a keyboard shortcut, and no icon?
[03:01] <vidd> dunno
[03:14] <j_> inductiveload: there is a way indeed ..look into custom actions
[03:15] <j_> here a bug was fixed to work with logitek mouse
[03:15] <j_> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4687
[03:26] <j_> inductiveload, try to hold down your button wheel and drag the arrow
[03:27] <j_> linux is cool http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/115176
[03:27] <j_> ;
[03:27] <j_> I didn't know this trick myself..
[03:27] <j_> tx inductiveload !
[03:30] <inductiveload> j_: drag the arrow?
[03:33] <inductiveload> j_ linux is cool, I just patched libwnck -> xfce4-panel to give a functional vertical tasklist in a vertical mode (its been annoying me for months)
[03:33] <j_> yes, hold down the mouse wheel when your mouse arrow is in the white space inside a folder
[03:34] <inductiveload> doesn't seem to do anything
[03:34] <j_> while holding down the wheel, drag the mouse
[03:35] <j_> folders appear faded out
[03:35] <j_> read  the section with the word akin on the above link that i sent you
[03:35] <j_> http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/115176
[03:36] <j_> btw , what is vertical tasklist?
[03:36] <j_> you have your taskbar vertical in the screen?
[03:37] <inductiveload> yeah, on the left
[03:37] <inductiveload> menas i can have a lot of windows easily without making a mess
[03:37] <inductiveload> and i save vertical pixles, which is good cos horizontal pixels are plentiful
[03:37] <inductiveload> here's a screenshot
[03:37] <inductiveload> http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=172516
[03:39] <vidd> inductiveload, cool
[03:39] <inductiveload> that bug is 8 years old
[03:39] <inductiveload> :-/
[03:39] <inductiveload> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86382
[03:40] <vidd> j_, wow...never knew you could do the arrow thing =]
[03:41] <inductiveload> still doesn't work for me :-(
[03:41] <j_> me neither..linux is cool, .
[03:41] <j_> inductiveload, see tthe green arrow http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10162010-103811pm.php
[03:41] <inductiveload> nothing happens when i hold the mouse wheel (or left + right)
[03:41] <j_> make sure: hold the mouse wheel down
[03:42] <vidd> hold whell down then move mouse left/right
[03:42] <j_> drag your mouse left, right up or down
[03:42] <inductiveload> yeah, nothing
[03:42] <j_> saw the green arrow on my screenshot?
[03:42] <inductiveload> yeah, i don't get that
[03:43] <inductiveload> i keep the boring ol' white one
[03:43] <j_> then sudo update-manager -d ;
[03:43] <j_> I get this with latest xubuntu
[03:44] <inductiveload> yeah i got xfce yesterday
[03:44] <inductiveload> no updates for me :-/
[03:45] <inductiveload> (btw if you like that kind of mouse gesture, do you know firefox has them too?)
[03:46] <j_> hear before something about it in firefox but never got to try it
[03:46] <j_> didn't know xfce had it
[03:46] <j_> is great with a wireless mouse/ laser pointer for presentation
[03:46] <inductiveload> i use firegestures (used to use opera, got addicted there)
[03:47] <vidd> i dont actually like mouse gesters...just think its cool
[03:48] <j_> ltr..got to log off to try if my google gadgets work after session log out
[03:48] <j_> tx guys
[03:51] <syst3m> hi, im having touble getting the installer from the live cd to work. Can any one help?
[03:52] <vidd> whats happening?
[03:54] <syst3m> it wasnt going past the first part, selecting language
[03:54] <syst3m> and thats from selecting install from live cd
[03:55] <vidd> syst3m, how much ram you got?
[03:55] <syst3m> not much, 256mb but isnt that the minimum?
[03:56] <vidd> 256 to run the system...but ram may need more
[03:57] <Khedron> to run from a live cd 256 is sketchy, you can use the alternative installer for low mem systems
[03:57] <Khedron> but it should install with 256 still
[03:58] <syst3m> right now i have it at the select a language
[03:59] <syst3m> wait, seems to be working this time
[03:59] <vidd> syst3m, are you able to highlight the language you want?
[03:59] <vidd> syst3m, it will be slow to respond
[04:00] <syst3m> yea, i always have been, but it was when i hit forward that it would just sit there
[04:00] <syst3m> think i left it for over 10 mins once and it did nothing
[04:00] <syst3m> now it seems to be playing nice.. for now
[04:01] <Khedron> better off using the alternative install cd, much quicker, if you're comfortable with a more minimal interface
[04:01] <syst3m> is there any now issues with selecting "download updates while installing" and "install this thrid party software"?
[04:01] <syst3m> known*
[04:02] <Khedron> officially, no idea, but i've had no problems with it
[04:02]  * vidd didnt know there was such an option =\
[04:03] <Khedron> vidd: they added it in 10.10
[04:03] <Khedron> gives an option to do restricted extras on the install
[04:03]  * vidd always uses the alt install ... more control, runs faster, more robust option selection
[04:04] <Khedron> yeah me too, but I installed on a netbook, no optical, so I used unetbootin
[04:04] <Khedron> lol
[04:04] <Khedron> I much prefer the alt cd
[04:04] <vidd> so i now have a reason to try the live install (still wont DO it but i have a reason)
[04:04] <syst3m> lol
[04:04] <Khedron> you can do restricted extra on the alt too in advanced package selection
[04:05] <vidd> Khedron, ill have to remember to look into that next install =]
[04:05] <syst3m> i would do the alt cd, only if this install fails on me
[04:06] <syst3m> dont like wasting cd-r, and no spare usb
[04:06] <Khedron> syst3m: more arcane, but there is always pxe if you have another machine
[04:06] <Khedron> that just boots over the network
[04:07] <syst3m> sounds complex
[04:07] <Khedron> hmm, slightly but not overly, there is a good tutorial on howtoforge
[04:07] <Khedron> I had to do it for a dell l400 which had no optical nor booted from usb
[04:07] <syst3m> ah
[04:09] <syst3m> reason i opted for cd-r tho is so i could try bot xubuntu and lubuntu easily
[04:09] <syst3m> and i couldnt find the usb i used for 10.04
[04:10] <Khedron> lxde is quite good, just not mature yet imo
[04:10] <syst3m> i liked it a bit, but i was having problems
[04:11] <syst3m> hard time installing, when i did no sound and my pass wasnt working in Synapatic Package Manager
[04:12] <Khedron> yeah it's not quite there yet
[04:13] <Khedron> I prefer xfce over anything, gnome and kde just feel sluggish
[04:14] <syst3m> gnome is ubuntu right? sorry kinda new
[04:15] <Khedron> yeah
[04:16] <syst3m> tried and liked that but theres no way thats runnining on a computer with 256mb in a usable way
[04:17] <Khedron> lol no, that would be pushing it a little
[04:17] <syst3m> i actually tried it with 10.04, couldnt do a damn thing
[04:17] <vidd> syst3m, i have a few computers running 256mb and even a 128mb and they are just fine
[04:18] <Khedron> vidd: with gnome?
[04:18] <vidd> i wont use gnome
[04:18] <CloseYetFar> you could try the debian minimal install and install fluxbox as a window manager, but that is really stripped down
[04:18] <vidd> gnome is a hog
[04:18] <Khedron> ahh, well he means gnome
[04:18] <Khedron> but I feel the same way, this is a c2d with 4 gig ram but I still prefer xfce
[04:19] <Khedron> I liked fluxbox, ran it for years on gentoo, but I don't think I could be bothered with editing my own menus anymore
[04:19] <vidd> i set my uber slow machines up as a cli-only off the alt cd, remove the install-recommends and set up SLiM/lxde
[04:21] <syst3m> lost me with all that
[04:21] <CloseYetFar> yea I did the same thing on Gentoo but thats the same reason i switched to Xubuntu
[04:23] <Khedron> I liked gentoo too, but portage just became painful
[04:23] <vidd> syst3m, you know what cli-only is?
[04:23] <syst3m> nope
[04:23] <Khedron> syst3m: like a windows dos box
[04:24] <vidd> cli-only is "Command Line Interface" and no GUI's
[04:24] <CloseYetFar> yea i started to install bin packages when ever I could and that kinda defeats the purpose of Gentoo.
[04:24] <syst3m> oh ok
[04:24] <Khedron> CloseYetFar: I hear arch is meant to be pretty good for customising but i've never tried it
[04:25] <syst3m> wouldnt be much use to me tho, the computer im setting up isnt even really for me
[04:25] <vidd> once that is installed, i disable apt's setting to install recommended packages so only the packages i want and thoses needed to run those apps are installed
[04:26] <vidd> then i install xorg, HAL, SLiM and lxde
[04:26] <Khedron> vidd: any reason you do that with *buntu and not debian?
[04:26] <CloseYetFar> debian is pretty good too with the minimal install and you can build the system up your own way. But I just dont have time for all that anymore.
[04:27] <vidd> i have issues with setting up sudo to work right on debian
[04:27] <vidd> *buntu does sudo right from jump street
[04:27] <CloseYetFar> debian is very do it your self so it can be tough to work with
[04:27] <Khedron> ahh, never been a fan of sudo, first thing I disable
[04:27] <vidd> and more access to restricted drivers
[04:28] <CloseYetFar> debian is behind as far a updates as well
[04:28] <Khedron> they prefer stable over cutting edge
[04:28] <Khedron> you can backpin if you need to
[04:28] <Khedron> but more effort
[04:29] <CloseYetFar> just stick to the LTS versions of Xubuntu and its pretty stable
[04:30] <Khedron> I do mostly, other than for servers, I think i'm too old, I used to have great fun dicking with that stuff, but now I just think meh, out of the box plz!
[04:30] <vidd> ive been with *buntu since breezey and xubuntu since dapper (or was it edgy?)
[04:31] <syst3m> i had trouble with the last LTS version of xubuntu
[04:32] <syst3m> the bars at the top and bottom would disappear randomly sometimes after logging in
[04:33] <CloseYetFar> really maybe xfce4-panel crashed
[04:33] <vidd> most of my systems stayed on 9.04 because they disabled the ability to NOT show all users on the login screen
[04:34] <vidd> and im glad they brought back the right-click -to-get-terminal
[04:34] <syst3m> CloseYetFar, thats what i think was happening
[04:34] <CloseYetFar> usually the panel crashes do to unruly addons
[04:35] <Khedron> I get freezing often, still can't figure out what does that
[04:35] <syst3m> I had nothing but a basic installation, a few games and i think open office
[04:35] <CloseYetFar> i set it up to give me a system menu on right click
[04:35] <CloseYetFar> and put term at the top of that
[04:37] <Khedron> I just have a terminal luancher in a hidden panel that pops up when I move the mouse over it
[04:37] <Khedron> also have you heard of tilda?
[04:37] <Khedron> I use that quite often, its a terminal that pops down when you press a hotkey, very quick
[04:38] <CloseYetFar> hmm thats cool
[04:39] <Khedron> yeah, it's quite handy if you also use screen
[04:40] <CloseYetFar> yea i have a screen on my computer :P
[04:40] <Khedron> lol
[04:43] <CloseYetFar> a lot of people dont realize you can scroll back with screen if you use Ctrl-a and esc
[04:43] <CloseYetFar> q
[04:45] <Khedron> lots of things with screen, used it for years and I still only use half a dozen commands lol
[04:45] <CloseYetFar> yea
[04:47] <vidd> virtualbox rocks =]
[04:47] <vidd> i used to run qemu but virtualbox blows it away =]
[04:50] <Khedron> few more resources behind it, being sun
[04:52] <vidd> well....its rack-time
[04:52] <vidd> night all
[04:54] <syst3m> ok so i just got xubuntu installed and updated, but i have no sound
[04:54] <syst3m> any help?
[04:55] <CloseYetFar> did you check to see if its muted or turned down?
[04:56] <syst3m> its un muted, and its all the way up, speakers and on and plugged in too
[04:56] <syst3m> speakers are on*
[04:56] <Khedron> syst3m: open a terminal and do sudo alsamixer
[04:56] <Khedron> fiddle with the mute and unmute on them, some older systems often mute in there
[04:59] <syst3m> really dont no what im doing
[05:00] <CloseYetFar> what kind of computer or laptop is this?
[05:00] <Khedron> i've had older laptops with like 10 mixers, most don't show up in the xfce mixer, so I had to unmute them with alsa
[05:00] <syst3m> dell deminsion 3000
[05:01] <syst3m> desktop
[05:01] <Khedron> one of those old corp p4s?
[05:01] <CloseYetFar> do you know what the sound card is?
[05:02] <syst3m> Khedron, huh?
[05:02] <syst3m> CloseYetFar, dont know what soundcard i got
[05:03] <syst3m> Dont know much about it, dont really use it much
[05:03] <Khedron> syst3m: open a terminal and sudo lspci
[05:03] <CloseYetFar> can you do "cat /proc/asound/cards"
[05:04] <Khedron> or that
[05:04] <CloseYetFar> or lspci
[05:04] <syst3m> lol
[05:04] <CloseYetFar> lol
[05:06] <syst3m> Intel ICH5 with AD1980 at irq17
[05:09] <syst3m> is that what you needed?
[05:09] <CloseYetFar> i think thats a sound blaster card
[05:10] <syst3m> and that means?
[05:10] <CloseYetFar> can you run "dmesg | grep -i Intel ICH5"
[05:11] <syst3m> "no such file or directory"
[05:12] <CloseYetFar> try application -> system -> additional drivers
[05:12] <Khedron> did you put the pipe in?
[05:12] <Khedron> the |
[05:13] <Khedron> as it shouldn't say no file, it should just be blank
[05:13] <syst3m> "no proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[05:14] <syst3m> and i did put | in
[05:14] <Khedron> CloseYetFar: can you see if alsaconf is still installed by default on xubu, as i'm not on it atm
[05:14] <Khedron> that might be the quikest way to sort it
[05:14] <syst3m> how do i check?
[05:14] <CloseYetFar> its not on mine
[05:15] <Khedron> gah
[05:15] <CloseYetFar> try "alsa reload"
[05:16] <CloseYetFar> alsa is the service that runs your sound card
[05:17] <Khedron> I would have to go get my netbook, and it's too cold to do that :P
[05:18] <syst3m> tried nothing seemed to change
[05:18] <syst3m> said permission denied a few times so i put sudo infront
[05:18] <syst3m> and still nothng
[05:19] <Khedron> I imagine it's a mixer problem, if you can move master up and down it most likely is detecting the card
[05:20] <CloseYetFar> try to see if you can get sound from the head phone port on the computer
[05:20] <syst3m> i have mixer open, and added master and can move it up and down
[05:20] <syst3m> k one sec
[05:21] <Khedron> syst3m: add pcm too if you can
[05:21] <CloseYetFar> yea pcm needs to be up
[05:22] <syst3m> have it added, and its like at the 75% lever
[05:22] <syst3m> level*
[05:22] <Khedron> not muted?
[05:23] <CloseYetFar> in the mixer window is there a soundcard listed
[05:23] <syst3m> Intel ICH5
[05:24] <CloseYetFar> did you click the down arrow to the right to see if there any others?
[05:24] <syst3m> and there is a playback: internal audio analog stereo (pulseaudio mixer)
[05:24] <syst3m> and 2 caputer ones
[05:25] <Khedron> dick around with them, up down unmute etc
[05:25] <syst3m> got it!
[05:25] <CloseYetFar> ok go into all of them and turn everything up 100%
[05:25] <CloseYetFar> lol
[05:25] <syst3m> it was the playback one!
[05:25] <CloseYetFar> yea
[05:25] <CloseYetFar> each one is for a different part of the sound card
[05:25] <syst3m> well that was annoying
[05:25] <CloseYetFar> it can be confusing
[05:26] <syst3m> any reason y it wasnt selected by default?
[05:26] <Khedron> older systems often do that
[05:26] <CloseYetFar> yea
[05:27] <syst3m> one other thing, the sound icon in the top panel doesnt reflect the sound options
[05:27] <Khedron> it only does master by default
[05:28] <Khedron> you can put your mouse over it and use the scrollwheel to make it go up and down
[05:28] <CloseYetFar> i think if you turn playback all the way up the default master will still control it
[05:31] <syst3m> the little icon seems to be completely independant
[05:35] <Khedron> I don't really pay much attention to it
[05:36] <syst3m> it means that scrolling while hovering over it is useless
[05:39] <Khedron> oh, mine works but I have the rest turned to full
[05:39] <Khedron> so only master is controlling sound
[05:40] <syst3m> theres so many options, sound i turn them all on?
[05:40] <Khedron> just pcm and whatever unmuted your card probably
[05:41] <Khedron> newer systems rarely have more than like 1-2
[05:41] <Khedron> my netbook only has master/pcm/headphone
[05:41] <syst3m> is there a way to reset this  to
[05:41] <syst3m> default, cuz messed with some?
[05:42] <Khedron> probably but I don't know how, will be in a conf file in your home someplace
[05:43] <syst3m> oh well its working for now, ill mess more tomorrow i guess
[05:45] <syst3m> thanks for all the help
[05:45] <Khedron> np
[06:31] <palhmbs> hey - I'm wondering why I can't add keyboard shortcuts - using Settings Editor?
[06:32] <palhmbs> shouldn't it be asking to run as root?
[06:36] <Khedron> it won't need root to add shortcuts for your user no
[06:50] <palhmbs> the New Property button is greyed out -
[06:50] <palhmbs> gonna have to google this one
[08:55] <earthling_> Is there an official xubuntu usb installer?
[08:56] <bazhang> nope
[08:56] <earthling_> which is the best one to use?
[08:56] <bazhang> no idea. unetbootin works here.
[08:56] <earthling_> is the live cd just as good as usb?
[08:57] <bazhang> ie speed?
[08:57] <earthling_> yeah
[08:57] <earthling_> and saving data, on a writable CD I guess
[08:58] <bazhang> persistent usb can do it
[08:59] <earthling_> ok
[09:00] <bazhang> !usb
[09:00] <bazhang> see the last link
[09:00] <earthling_> cool,thx
[09:01] <bazhang> welcome :)
[09:04] <earthling_> have you ever used usb-creator-gtk?
[09:11] <earthling_> I'll use usb-creator
[11:17] <Phil_Dawg> Hey guys, I'm installing the latest version of Xubuntu hows it work does it actually work?
[11:17] <psycho_oreos> huh?
[11:18] <psycho_oreos> it works when you fire up the computer and select xubuntu I suppose? it should work with most things out of the box
[11:18] <Phil_Dawg> Oh I've had some problems with some programs not working.
[11:19] <Phil_Dawg> under the XUbuntu interfaces.
[11:19] <psycho_oreos> that may happen if you: 1) dist-upgraded from previous release 2) used 64bit stuff
[11:20] <Phil_Dawg> I don't do upgrades, I format completly.
[11:20] <psycho_oreos> the only way to tell is to run it and fix things as they appear.. normally you shouldn't encounter too much issues when doing clean installs
[11:21] <Phil_Dawg> So far it's really quick then again, I'm using a decent computer hah.
[11:22] <psycho_oreos> nothing wrong with that, I've installed my xubuntu jackalope on one of the fastest computer I have
[11:24] <Sysi> why would it be wrong that i have xubuntu lts on 4G+SSD+2*2,5GHz :)
[11:24] <psycho_oreos> some people think that xubuntu was meant to be run on older systems :) contrary to that it is blazing quick on a really fast and modern computer :)
[11:25] <Sysi> i've always used it for usability
[11:26] <psycho_oreos> << xubuntu jackalope on 4GB RAM + 6TB (4x1.5TB) + 2* 2.6GHz
[11:26] <psycho_oreos> I use it because I like lean and mean
[11:26] <Sysi> (my opensuse broked on kernel update, back to xubuntu)
[11:26] <Phil_Dawg> AMD Sempron 3000+ 1.8GHZ 1GB ram (Soon to 2GB) 160GB hard-drive. Nvidia geforce FX 5200 256MBVram
[11:27] <psycho_oreos> heh not too bad of a spec there Phil_Dawg :)
[11:28] <Sysi> i wonder what nvidia's own driver installer wants from kernel
[11:28] <Phil_Dawg> I have to reboot now it's complete
[11:28] <Sysi> i'll compile it and never update it
[11:29] <psycho_oreos> no idea, its pretty much a secret when you're messing with binary blobs
[11:29] <Phil_Dawg> Brb guys :)
[11:29] <psycho_oreos> probably kernel version? :D
[11:29] <Sysi> my friend didn't get it to work with "homemade" kernel, i wonder if he now have got it
[11:30] <psycho_oreos> there should be an option if your friend downloaded the driver straight from nvidia's site to compile to his homebrew version, one mainly needs the headers the last I recall
[11:31] <Sysi> i maybe could try if apt-get way would work without jockey
[11:32] <philip__> Back guys :)
[11:32] <psycho_oreos> well apt-get would still be using ubuntu repos but yeah it would be roughly the same I suppose just that jockey makes it look all fancy and done up
[11:33] <psycho_oreos> wb, so how's the meerkat going?
[11:34] <philip__> Uh oh guys my Sound won't work!
[11:34] <psycho_oreos> aptitude would be more smarter/intelligent compared to apt-get.. apt-get is just a bit more brute :)
[11:34] <psycho_oreos> its probably muted
[11:34] <philip__> Not that.
[11:34] <philip__> I turned the volume up on it and it still wont work :(
[11:34] <psycho_oreos> umm.. I dunno how to check pulseaudio lol
[11:35] <psycho_oreos> !pulseaudio
[11:35] <Sysi> psycho_oreos: jockey failed
[11:35] <Sysi> (fyi my friend used wrong driver)
[11:35] <psycho_oreos> I wonder if that global EQ problem has been fixed, I recall it has been a persistent problem ever since jaunty and then karmic were released
[11:36] <philip__> Well this blows and I'm not using 64bit either!
[11:36] <psycho_oreos> Sysi, and apt-get worked? :) lol well yeah that would be also the reason why he'll get a nasty prompt :D
[11:36] <psycho_oreos> philip__, not that this would help but I'd try checking alsamixer
[11:37] <Sysi> psycho_oreos: i think i didn't try it, exept for fixing
[11:37] <psycho_oreos> I really don't know how to make use of pulseaudio and with my current release of xubuntu, it dreads to make me think of how to get pulseaudio to work properly on the setup
[11:37] <psycho_oreos> Sysi, you manually fixed it? :)
[11:37] <Sysi> philip__: what sound card?
[11:38] <Sysi> psycho_oreos: i wish i had
[11:38] <philip__> Integrated, lemme get my systems info
[11:38] <Sysi> think i'll now do it in the wrong way, should work
[11:38] <psycho_oreos> Sysi, heh lol, I manually fixed mine with jaunty, had to sorta get the long way from CLI back in when nvidia just doesn't want to fire up
[11:38] <Sysi> enough new kernel that i don't need to update
[11:39] <Sysi> bbl →
[11:39] <philip__>  Audio Audio Chipset  Realtek ALC655
[11:39] <psycho_oreos> though kernel updates usually calls dkml doesn't it? I mean it makes life alot easier compared to my early linux days
[11:40] <psycho_oreos> philip__, pastebin me your lspci -nnk output
[11:41] <philip__> http://pastebin.com/4M7d7TLj
[11:42] <psycho_oreos> hmm there is a driver loaded
[11:42] <psycho_oreos> have you checked alsamixer?
[11:43] <philip__> What settings should I check do you want to connect to my machine and check for me?
[11:44] <psycho_oreos> I'd rather not connect to your machine heh.. I may leave that as last option
[11:44] <psycho_oreos> just run alsamixer and see if the bottom of PulseAudio is marked as MM or 00
[11:44] <philip__> Oh never mine!
[11:44] <philip__> Mind**
[11:45] <philip__> Figured it out.
[11:45] <philip__> Sorry for being such a newb. Windows 7 users.
[11:45] <philip__> user*
[11:45] <psycho_oreos> o.O
[11:46] <philip__> Some reason it wanted ALSA as the main when infact my system uses the pulseaudio stuff.
[11:46] <philip__> Weird.
[11:47] <psycho_oreos> ahh I see... well yeah.. ALSA afaik is the backend stuff whereas pulseaudio is more of frontend. I guess there's still that option for those of us still prefer to use ALSA :D
[11:47] <Tatsujin> anyone got a laptop that has had this issue http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2010/06/headphone-jack-sense-problem-in-ubuntu.html
[11:47] <Tatsujin> but where his solution hasn't worked
[11:48] <Tatsujin> kinda tiresome to go into alsamixer everytime to mute it
[11:48] <psycho_oreos> hmm after you did that did you reload the driver or restarted the computer?
[11:49] <philip__> Nah I installe dmy  graphics driver, but installing flash player atm.
[11:49] <Tatsujin> Yes
[11:49] <philip__> Oh sorry thought you were talking to me Oreos hahah
[11:50] <Tatsujin>  options snd-hda-intel model=dell-vostro enable=1 index=0
[11:50] <philip__> What's the command to edit my hosts file?
[11:50] <psycho_oreos> philip__, :) enjoy :) I'll be watching to see of anything that maybe of nuisance which may make me avoid meerkat
[11:50] <Tatsujin> if i have a hp 510 how exactly should i write it in the line , or does it detect it either way if i write hp510 or hp-510
[11:50] <psycho_oreos> philip__, sudo nano /etc/hosts
[11:50] <Tatsujin> just curious if its case sensitive
[11:51] <philip__> So far it's working fine but I've been using it for 15 minutes or so.
[11:51] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, yeah you'll need to add that into your /etc/modprobe.conf or something like that.. maybe even /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf
[11:51] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, it maybe case sensitive if you are talking about that options line for snd-hda-intel
[11:52] <Tatsujin> ok
[11:52] <psycho_oreos> philip__, I'll be lurking and watching, noting down anything I deem as critical that may make me avoid meerkat, I've only heard thumbs up so far but still waiting for any bad ones.. I have been meaning to do a clean install of meerkat on my boxen
[11:53] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, hmm weird..
[11:53] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, you sure you have the correct release version as per the blog?
[11:53] <philip__> Screw around with it in Vmware :D or Virtual box or your favorite OS emulation.
[11:54] <psycho_oreos> philip__, nah, that's not a real testing :)
[11:54] <Tatsujin> well i was just using ubuntu but now i'm on the latest kubuntu and it's the same issue
[11:54] <Tatsujin> i'll fiddle around with it and see what happens.
[11:54] <philip__> Can't wait for EDUubuntu to come out it'd be perfect for my nieces to fool around with.
[11:55] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, I'd say that is the issue from the base up :) meaning that it doesn't matter which desktop you use, its all going to be the same
[11:55] <psycho_oreos> philip__, lol
[11:55] <philip__> Well it would be lol.
[11:55] <philip__> Because it's free xD
[11:56] <psycho_oreos> I'd install archlinux and watch someone freak out ;)
[11:56] <psycho_oreos> like a half completed setup
[11:57] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, which release are you running now?
[11:57] <philip__> Hey Brb., Gotta reboot for my graphics card to have full acelleration.
[11:58] <psycho_oreos> which is unusual but *shrugs*
[11:59] <Tatsujin> psycho: Xubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat , i386
[12:00] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, hence that maybe why the blog may not work :D
[12:00] <phil_dawg> Whee back
[12:01] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, try sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-alsa-maverick-generic
[12:01] <Tatsujin> ok , one sec.
[12:02] <psycho_oreos> phil_dawg, in theory xubuntu, because its linux it doesn't really need rebooting but *shrugs*
[12:02] <Tatsujin> ok what now? reboot?:)
[12:02] <phil_dawg> I am doing a speed test to see how well my DSL is right now as everybody is waking up this morning to go to church nearby :p
[12:03] <phil_dawg> Download Speed: 1427 kbps (178.4 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 431 kbps (53.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
[12:03] <phil_dawg> I'm on 1.5
[12:03] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, no, just install that and reload the module
[12:03] <phil_dawg> I'm just used to rebooting Oreos lol.
[12:04] <psycho_oreos> phil_dawg, coming from windows... typical ><
[12:04] <phil_dawg> What you think of my DSL speed btw Oreos :)
[12:04] <psycho_oreos> phil_dawg, I dunno I'm jealous :p I'm on wireless broadband here
[12:05] <phil_dawg> I'm connected via wirelessly atm using a Usb dongle.
[12:05] <phil_dawg> As my ethernet cable is brokeded.
[12:05] <phil_dawg> Cats grr.
[12:06] <psycho_oreos> yeah but you're using wireless networking -> DSL.. I'm going through wireless broadband (3G) -> cell tower lol
[12:06] <phil_dawg> Ah lol.
[12:06] <phil_dawg> Going to bestbuy and buy some another cable lol.
[12:07] <psycho_oreos> hmm I should check the errata for meerkat release too
[12:07] <psycho_oreos> s/errata/release\ notes/
[12:07] <phil_dawg> My  upload speed is doing well though surprisingly haha
[12:08]  * phil_dawg is rocking out to some Manafest - Impossible.
[12:09] <Tatsujin> i'm new to the whole linux tango so you'll have to write that command for me:)
[12:09] <phil_dawg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ew-jMy794
[12:09] <phil_dawg> Great song :)
[12:10] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, sudo modprobe -r snd-hda-intel && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[12:10] <psycho_oreos> actually that may not work.. I recall how pulseaudio can be so annoying
[12:11] <Tatsujin> doesn't appear to affect the audio jack
[12:11] <phil_dawg> My friend is sending me a 3Com PCi ethernet card, so I can bridge my connection between my PC & 360 lol so one less wire streaming up the stairs.
[12:12] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, did that command return you back to shell?
[12:12] <Tatsujin> yup
[12:12] <Tatsujin> it didn't say anything it just went to a new blank line
[12:14] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, hmm.. remove that other one you followed from the blog and try to reinstall the one I suggested... also unload the module
[12:16] <Tatsujin> how do i unload it , i'm absolute linux beginner:)
[12:17] <psycho_oreos> sudo modprobe -r snd-hda-intel && sudo apt-get remove linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic && sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-backports-modules-alsa-maverick-generic && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=dell-vostro enable=1 index=0
[12:19] <Tatsujin> ok
[12:19] <psycho_oreos> just copy and paste that lol
[12:20]  * psycho_oreos wonders will there be any more linux CLI users in 5 years time from now ...
[12:22] <Tatsujin> psycho hmm no affect after reloading it
[12:23] <psycho_oreos> so you copied and pasted what I wrote?
[12:23] <Tatsujin> yes
[12:23] <Tatsujin> except inserting my own model
[12:23] <Tatsujin> hp-510
[12:23] <Tatsujin> instead of dell-vostro
[12:23] <psycho_oreos> I suppose give that a try then
[12:24] <Tatsujin> yeah i did that i mean:)
[12:24] <phil_dawg> Is matrox AGP graphics supported in Xubuntu?
[12:24] <Tatsujin> i had the same trouble on ubuntu , i read somebody who used a script to turn off the speakers so maybe thats my way out.
[12:25] <psycho_oreos> yeah but their idea may or may not work with yours.. I guess reboot is in order.. if you don't have kexec :) and yeah
[12:25] <psycho_oreos> phil_dawg, it might be
[12:26] <phil_dawg> I have a older computer: Intel P4, 512MB sysram 160GB Pata drive, Matrox dualhead 16MB vram graphics.
[12:26] <phil_dawg> As my office machine but with WinXP installed.
[12:26] <Tatsujin> ok ,thanks for the help psycho
[12:26] <phil_dawg> 2.0GHZ CPU
[12:27] <phil_dawg> I use that as my office machine and this as my play machine.
[12:28] <psycho_oreos> Tatsujin, nw
[12:28] <psycho_oreos> phil_dawg, just give it a try via liveCD/liveUSB
[12:30] <phil_dawg> I love the main background of Xubuntu though. Pretty
[12:31] <phil_dawg> Windows 7 though man it's a good Op. When I build my new PC I may buy it
[12:33] <psycho_oreos> ew
[12:34] <phil_dawg> Heh, Some software runs only on Windows. Like my printer (mac compatible but not linux)
[12:34] <phil_dawg> Infact, my 2 printers that don't work with Linux.
[12:35] <Tatsujin> xp through virtualbox?:)
[12:35] <psycho_oreos> that's what I'd do
[12:35] <phil_dawg> My CPU doesn't support virtualization very well?
[12:38] <psycho_oreos> heh 1.8 maybe a little slow but it shouldnt' be too bad I suppose
[12:38] <psycho_oreos> you won't have kernel mode virtualisation because your CPU doesn't support it however
[12:40] <Tatsujin> do you guys ever edit videos in linux?
[12:40] <psycho_oreos> not I
[12:44] <Tatsujin> guess i'll go with Kdenlive , looks simple enough.
[12:44] <psycho_oreos> !video_editing
[12:45] <error> gday
[12:45] <psycho_oreos> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video-editing.html
[12:45] <psycho_oreos> hi
[12:46] <psycho_oreos> guten tag ^^
[12:47] <error> oder so :P first time im trying xubuntu nice feature to join a chat while the boooring download is running
[12:47] <psycho_oreos> heh I can related
[12:47] <psycho_oreos> s/related/relate
[12:51] <error> kk installation finished .. catching up after reboot
[13:19] <Thermi> how can i import themes into Xubuntu D;#
[13:25] <Thermi> for example the Win2-7 theme
[15:23] <StaRetji1> Hi ppl, can someone help out with network manager keyring, I would like to make it stop asking password each time I connect to a hotspot. Thx
[15:24] <StaRetji1> can I uninstall it somehow via apt-get remove or there is another process
[15:39] <TheSheep> StaRetji1: you can set an empty password for the keyring
[16:23] <slimjimflim> how can i get a bash script to execute on double-click from the desktop etc?
[16:30] <Sysi> add launcher "xfce4-terminal -e script.sh"
[16:30] <Sysi> or maybe -x
[16:38] <StaRetji1> TheSheep: thx for reply. Can it be invoked via terminal? what would be a command for it?
[16:39] <TheSheep> StaRetji1: you can delete your current keyring from terminal, then when it asks for a new password, just use an empty one -- it won't ask anymore
[16:40] <StaRetji1> TheSheep: sorry for being dumb, but how to delete it. Thx for patiance
[16:40] <TheSheep> let me google that
[16:41] <TheSheep> StaRetji1: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/06/clearing-or-resetting-the-gnome-keyring/
[16:41] <StaRetji1> TheSheep: thx so much for this
[16:41] <TheSheep> generally look in ~/.gnome2/keyrings/
[16:42] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1012819
[16:42] <TheSheep> here is your problem on the forums
[16:43] <StaRetji1> hm, I don't have default.keyring in /.gnome2/keyrings/
[16:43] <StaRetji1> I have login.keyring and user.keystore
[16:43] <StaRetji1> I guess login.keyring would be it, but I'm not sure
[16:50] <slimjimflim> Sysi: you mean "xfce4-terminal -x script.sh"?
[16:52] <slimjimflim> ..cause that works fine from cli but not thunar
[16:53] <Sysi> check path/directory
[16:54] <slimjimflim> Sysi: what path/directory ?
[16:54] <slimjimflim> of the executable?
[16:54] <slimjimflim> it must be right cause it works when i execute it from the command line
[16:54] <Sysi> your system don't know where script is, tell it
[16:55] <slimjimflim> how
[16:55] <slimjimflim> shouldn't the path of the script tell the system where the script is?
[16:55] <slimjimflim> it's in /home/myname/Desktop
[16:55] <slimjimflim> so i should be able to double-click it and have it run
[16:55] <slimjimflim> or right-click and click execute
[16:56] <slimjimflim> neither of which work
[16:57] <Sysi> create a launcher on desktop, don't put .sh there (unless you want)
[17:19] <slimjimflim> Sysi: yay i got it
[17:19] <slimjimflim> xfce4-terminal --hold -x bash <full path to my script>
[17:19] <slimjimflim> now the icon's active
[17:19] <slimjimflim> thanks
[17:51] <StaRetji1> Still no luck with gnome keyring
[17:53] <StaRetji1> Actually when I try to connect to a hotspot it popups "System policy prevents modification of system settings" and asks a password
[17:53] <pionar> anyone having problems using flash in chromium?
[18:06] <Riotta> where to set $TERM environment varible in xubuntu system wide?
[18:08] <Sysi> bug in 10.10? there should be fix in updates
[18:16] <TheSheep> Riotta: just update your system
[19:20] <Thermi> i just made Xubuntu work for like forever by simply doing ctrl+a and then Apply in Synaptic %)
[20:11] <Kangarooo> hello.. where in xubuntu i can change gdm login theme?
[20:11] <Kangarooo> downloaded from gnome-look.com and couse gnome gdm is in xubuntu it should work its http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/CIA+Restricted+Access?content=110149
[20:12] <Kangarooo> i found in settings -> login menu i should look but there its not changable
[20:16] <TheSheep> drag-and-drop it into the list...
[20:16] <TheSheep> ah, sorry, no
[20:16] <Kangarooo> TheSheep: witch list? In login screen settings? theres not possible to choose login screen..
[20:17] <TheSheep> yeah, the new gdm doesn't have it anymore
[20:17] <Kangarooo> and it doesnt look interactive..
[20:17] <Kangarooo> i can only choose sessions there
[20:18] <Kangarooo> ill be back in 10min
[20:20] <dantrix> hello
[20:21] <likemindead> !hi | dantrix
[20:24] <dantrix> likemindead: ty
[20:24] <dantrix> someone speak spanish?
[20:25] <likemindead> !esp
[20:26] <likemindead> !spanish
[20:27] <dantrix> ty, too join in #ubuntu-es
[20:29] <likemindead> dantrix, you have to type "/join #ubuntu-es" (minus the quotes).
[20:33] <dantrix> likemindead: are you boot?
[20:33] <dantrix> likemindead: are you bot?
[20:34] <likemindead> Hahaha... no. Just the only one awake, I reckon.
[20:34] <dantrix> sorry me
[20:34] <Sysi> ubottu's the bot
[20:34] <Sysi> see? :)
[20:35]  * likemindead shakes his fist at ubottu.
[20:35] <dantrix> I will start using xubuntu, I've used for several years ubuntu, but hardware issues now elected Xubuntu
[20:37] <likemindead> Xubuntu is awesome. I've used it for ~3 years now. Xfce is so good. I just need to upgrade to 10.10 now.
[20:38] <dantrix> My PC is very old, Pentium IV and 256 ram, so the new versions of ubuntu and do not run. I hope I do wonder xubuntu ubuntu
[20:38]  * dantrix I like the google translator
[20:39] <palhmbs> troubleshooting a boot problem...
[20:39] <likemindead> If you can just up the RAM, you'll have a fine machine there, dantrix.
[20:40] <dantrix> Yes, I'm thinking about buying a laptop
[20:40] <dantrix> or, if the budget is not enough, more ram
[20:40] <palhmbs> installed xubuntu - now it's hanging after trying to mount all partitions...
[20:41] <palhmbs> md5 is fine
[20:42] <dantrix> I installed ubuntu amounts of times in the FLISOLs I do not think that I do problem after installing I support the community
[20:43] <dantrix> Anyone know which is the FLISOL?
[20:56] <Cael> ive been trying to install as an dual boot  to my laptop (xubuntu and windows) but every time i try when it trie sto resize the partition  it aborts
[21:00] <likemindead> How much space are you dealing with?
[21:00] <Cael> 60GBHDD and splittin it  in half for windows and linux
[21:01] <likemindead> Is there an error mentioned?
[21:02] <likemindead> You might try partitioning with -- http://partedmagic.com/ .
[21:02] <Cael> thats what it does display an error "The operation could not be completed :"The operation was aborted"
[21:04] <Cael> can it be run from USB as im gettin low on blanks
[21:09] <likemindead> Yes, Cael. You can put the image on a USB via UNETBOOTIN.
[21:09] <likemindead> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[21:09] <likemindead> Great program. :D
[21:10] <Cael> i tried an check and repair in gparted its actually shoing something about missing clusters in $Bitmap
[21:11] <Sysi> you should maybe run chkdsk on windows
[21:11] <Sysi> and defragment
[21:12] <likemindead> Good call.
[21:15] <Cael> ... yea its highly fragmented
[21:16] <Cael> i ordered last week an ram upgrade kit.. do i nee dto do anything after installing it for linux ? (im still trying to get used to it)
[21:18] <likemindead> Nope! :D
[21:20] <Cael> the laptop only has its stock 512MB ram and bout the 1GB Upgrade kit off ebay
[21:30] <teliti> Hello. One question: Is it also possible to install xubuntu to an USB-Stick instead to the HDD to use it as "mobile" everyday system?
[21:33] <TheSheep> teliti: yes
[21:33] <TheSheep> !usb
[21:34] <teliti> TheSheep: thx
[21:49] <Cael> ughh still defragmenting... 24%
[21:55] <phil_dawg> Defragller is a good one for Windows.
[22:10] <Thermi> gn
[22:10] <Thermi> gn8
[22:16]  * likemindead hasn't used anything but GNU/Linux for so long that he can't really remember what it's like to degfrag... :D
[22:17] <Cael> 50% done and its finally lookin good
[22:18] <Cael> this would explain why its been slow as hell lately
[22:24] <phil_dawg> Lol.
[22:24] <phil_dawg> Cael you using Defraggler?
[22:26] <Cael> XP's built in one
[22:35] <phil_dawg> Download Defraggler. It's better :D
[22:36] <phil_dawg> And free >.>
[22:36] <phil_dawg> From the makers of CCleaner
[22:39] <Sysi> what i've heard, default one is mostly worthless
[22:51] <Cael> runnin it now
[22:51] <Cael> whenh im used to linux as a main os .
[22:51] <Cael> bye bye xp
[22:53] <Cael> the first linux os i ever tried was QNX followed by Lindows then shortly after i found out about ubuntu and the flavors of it :3
[22:53] <mark76> What did you use QNX on?
[22:54] <Cael> back then QNX was both cd installable andf floppy based
[22:54] <Cael> but i think the pc was 900mhz when i had tried it,
[22:54] <Cael> it was So long ago.
[22:55] <mark76> Why is the air going fuzzy? Where is that harp music coming from?
[22:55] <Cael> lol
[22:56] <Cael> but when i did i can say it was atleast 2003+ (year)
[22:56] <mark76> In 2003 I was still using 98
[22:56] <Cael> i didnt move from 98 till xp was @ SP2
[22:58] <Cael> its moving really slow but i still have an intrest in ReactOS
[22:58] <mark76> I've never had XP on a computer
[23:01] <Cael> im anxious for the PS3 scene to finish that project "AsbestOS" so i can use xubuntu on it..
[23:01] <mark76> What's AsbestOS?
[23:02] <Cael> its a project to Restore OtherOS functionality on FW's 3.21 ~ 3.41
[23:02] <Cael> but with the SPE's the RSX and video unrestricted
[23:02] <mark76> Ah right
[23:04] <Cael> shame sony Resitricted  the RSX SPE and video in their offical OtherOS. (ewwww Framebuffer access only )
[23:04] <mark76> I heard about that
[23:04] <mark76> Didn't Sony used to have its own Linux distro for the PS?
[23:04] <Cael> it was done to prevent people from using it to pirate games
[23:05] <Cael> not foir the PS3.. but PS2? yea
[23:05] <Cael>  was 2.4.1 Kernel based, and used Window Maker (w/ option of Fluxbox) for an GUI
[23:05] <mark76> Interesting choice
[23:06] <Cael> but it wasnt that partical as the PS2 only had 32MB Ram
[23:06] <Cael> *practical
[23:06] <Cael> probbly the reason for WM/FB
[23:07] <mark76> So it's kind of like going back to the 1990s?
[23:07] <Cael> but Window Maker made me think of Amiga's workbench for an odd reason
[23:07] <mark76> Which is odd. As it's quite clearly based on NeXTStep
[23:08] <Cael> (im not talking of Amiga OS4 im speaking of the earlier 2.x days of amiga workbench)
[23:08] <mark76> So am I
[23:08]  * Cael use dto have an Amiga 500 with the HDD Kit.
[23:08] <Cael> i couldnt explain why i had the amiga feel from WM.
[23:09] <Cael> just felt familiar from those days.
[23:09] <mark76> Did your Windowmaker look like this? http://www.raiden.net/images/articles/desktopsandwm/windowmaker.jpg
[23:09] <Cael> yea but  i think mine wa sthemed a lil diffrently
[23:10] <Cael> making an Sync on green to standard vga adapter was a pain in the rear...
[23:10] <mark76> http://geekyschmidt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/nextstep-screenshot.png
[23:11] <Cael> yea more like that mark
[23:11] <mark76> That's NeXTStep
[23:11] <Cael> wasnt the first OSX suppose dto be NeXTStep's successor?
[23:12] <mark76> It was
[23:14] <Cael> few OS's i havent had teh pleasure of tryiong was OS/2 and Warp.
[23:15] <mark76> BeOS?
[23:15] <Cael> beyond that i've fioddled with OpenSolaris. FreeBSD (well free bsd based  NAS OS.) most Windows OS's.  Mac OS 7 ~ OSX Tiger
[23:15] <Cael> that and BeOS
[23:15] <mark76> What about RISCOS?
[23:16] <Cael> so those 3 OS's BeOS, OS/2 and OS/2 Warp ar ethe ones i havent fiddled with that work on any x86 hardware or Mac.
[23:16] <mark76> RISCOS doesn't work on x86 or PPC
[23:17] <Cael> i got my mits on an Sparcstation 20 no long before i left Michigan but the HDD was bad.
[23:19] <mark76> Ah! You're American. It's highly unlikely you'd have come across RISCOS then
[23:19] <Cael> i took this not long before i left. http://webpages.charter.net/charliekit/sparcstation.mp3 thats the HDD noise it was making (you may nee dto crank your volume but i ha dto use my PocketPC to record it)
[23:21]  * mark76 remixes Cael's HDD sample and releases it as a 12"
[23:22] <Cael> im moving back there in late november but does the SparcStation 20 have a certain Scsi Capacity limit?
[23:24] <mark76> I have no idea
[23:24] <Cael> (and btw 62% doen defragmenting with Defragler, the app's faster than xp's built in defragmenter)
[23:26] <Cael> who ever4 recommended it to me : 3 ty i'll be using it on my other systems