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CIA-116kdeutils (4:4.5.2-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low [ Alessandro Ghersi ] *03:47
CIA-116Merge with Debian git remaining changes: - Add libzip-dev,03:47
apachelogger:O07:11
apacheloggerapparently tonight was merge night07:11
apacheloggervalorie: congrats on membership :)07:14
=== DWonderly is now known as DarkwingDuck
markeywow, getting this in kubuntu would be awesome:07:50
markeyhttp://savannah.gnu.org/projects/parallel07:50
markeybasically, it replaces xargs, and does the same thing with multiple cores07:50
markeycan't find it in the repos, though07:50
persiamarkey, Might package it up then, if you like.08:06
markeypersia: that'd be great :)08:06
persiaGNU stuff tends to be easy.  I suspect you can get away with a rules.tiny solution.08:06
valoriethanks, apachelogger!08:13
valorieI look forward to meeting y'08:13
valorieall08:13
valoriesoon08:13
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 662005 likely is caused by bogus packaging08:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 662005 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "designer-qt4 crashed with SIGSEGV in KLocale::codecForEncoding()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66200508:23
apacheloggerme@logos:~$ dpkg -L okteta | grep designer08:23
apachelogger/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/designer08:23
apachelogger/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/designer/oktetadesignerplugin.so08:23
apacheloggerthat is pretty wrong right there....08:23
apacheloggerhm09:28
apacheloggerIMHO kdm nees some major reinventing09:29
apachelogger*needs09:29
valorieIMO, kubuntu needs to clone apachelogger09:29
valorie:-)09:29
valorieyou keep finding things that need total rebuilding or reinventing09:30
apacheloggergoing to happen at UDS :P09:30
valorie\0/09:30
valoriethen you'll have time for Disneyland!09:30
valoriethere is a movie about that, though09:32
apacheloggerabout cloning?09:32
valoriewatch out when your clones start going crazy and taking over your life09:32
valorieindeed09:32
* apachelogger wouldnt have a problem with that either09:33
valoriein fact, probably a disney movie, lol09:33
apacheloggerleaves 100% time for disney09:33
apacheloggeror sleeping09:33
valorierofl09:33
* apachelogger notes that actually pretty decent concerts seem to be the week of UDS 09:35
apacheloggernext time I need to check that in more timely manner09:35
apacheloggeron 23 there are the toasters09:35
valoriewow, like who is playing?09:35
apacheloggermgmt on monday09:36
apacheloggerphoenis on tuesday09:36
apacheloggermassive attack on wednesday09:36
apacheloggerbad religion on saturday09:36
valorieI would like to see mgmt09:36
valorieI've seen bad religion, and they are awesome in concert09:37
apacheloggerhttp://www.thesocial.org/details/?tfly_event_id=1274509:37
valoriethat video link to mgmt you posted earlier is still freaking me out09:37
Sputapachelogger: isn't kdm in the process of being plasmafied?09:37
apacheloggerSput: yes, though it needs reinventing under the hood too09:38
Sputyou could make it all pink and fluffy inside!09:38
apacheloggerthough I suppose plasmafication makes most of the user visible wrongness disappear09:38
apacheloggerif it should ever land in trunk09:38
apacheloggerSput: yus, reusing the plasma theme :D09:38
apacheloggerless effort == splendid09:38
* apachelogger notes that ticketmaster.com is quite the bad on usability09:39
valoriemassive attack - eh09:39
apacheloggervalorie: $40 for mgmt it seems09:39
* valorie listens to the toasters on last.fm09:39
valoriethat isn't bad09:39
valoriealthough small clubs are more to my liking09:40
valoriethat does involve seeing some bands that are less than cool09:41
valoriebut I've found some awesome ones as well09:41
apacheloggerwikitravel says there is generally good night time entertainment in orlando... even illegal one in the sorta red light district ...09:41
valorielike Murder by Death09:41
valoriewhom I love09:41
valorielast.fm's recommendations are pretty darn good!09:44
apacheloggerhm09:48
apacheloggerpam face authentication's qt gui needs 09:48
apacheloggerehm09:48
apacheloggerwell09:48
apacheloggercuteness09:48
apacheloggerin fact I wonder if however made it read the documentation for the widgets do not have layouts assigned to them messing up line wrapping09:48
apachelogger-.-09:48
Sputvalorie: always a question of the right seed :) plus last.fm sometimes has bad days where it keeps giving me crappy songs09:50
valoriesure, but I was looking at suggested shows in my area09:51
valoriehelps that Seattle has lots of little clubs09:51
valorieand the remains of a music scene09:51
Sputah, I thought you meant the song suggestions09:52
valorieI do scrobble to last.fm so it knows what I like09:52
Sputyeah, I've been scrobbling for years and years09:52
Sputscrobbled 56707 songs :)09:53
valorie44K, behind you09:54
Sput\o/09:54
valoriebut I do listen to the radio, and that doesn't scrobble09:54
valorielol09:54
valoriesput wins!09:54
Sputyes I listen to the radio as well, and it scrobbles!09:54
Sput(mainly because I use amarok as last.fm player)09:54
valorieright, but i'm listening to NPR09:55
valorielol09:55
SputNPR?09:55
valorieNational Public Radio09:55
valorienpr.org09:55
Sputah09:55
SputI listen to last.fm radio :)09:55
valoriethey are actually good for music09:55
valoriebut mostly news and analysis09:56
DarkwingDuckvalorie: ping10:10
valorieDarkwingDuck: pong10:13
valorieI hear you are a Doc person too10:13
valorie:-)10:13
DarkwingDuckvalorie: Dave Wonderly. Pleased to meet you10:13
DarkwingDuck:)10:13
valorieah!10:13
DarkwingDuckAye10:14
valorieindeed, and soon we'll get to meet in person10:14
valorie:-)10:14
DarkwingDuckThat we will. We have some work to do10:14
valorieI was looking through some of the site info10:14
valorieand it looks..... OLD10:14
valoriebut I assume this means documentation at the app level, not just the site(s)10:15
DarkwingDuckat doc.kde.org?10:15
DarkwingDuckAye10:15
DarkwingDuckin the help center10:16
DarkwingDuckhelp:/kubuntu/index/10:16
valoriedo we have different people working on the site, or is it all one team effort?10:17
DarkwingDuckmost of it wasn't updated to reflect 4.510:17
DarkwingDuckseperated10:17
DarkwingDuckI work with system docs.10:17
DarkwingDuckHows your XML and DocBook?10:17
valorieI've not really used it10:18
valoriebut I've done markup10:18
valorieso I'm sure I can learn what's necessary10:18
valorieI'm a writer, that's my strength however10:18
DarkwingDuck*nods* awesome. its always a start. Hows your english editing?10:18
valoriegood to very good10:19
DarkwingDucktimezone?10:19
valorieso, you know that userbase is becoming a landing place for docs10:19
valorieright?10:20
valoriePacific time10:20
valorieI live south of Seattle, Washington USA10:20
valorieyou?10:20
DarkwingDuckSan Diego10:20
valoriefor instance, our Amarok Handbook is being created on Userbase10:20
valoriethen being translated, and finally being put into Docbook10:21
valorieI believe they want to become the preferred work method10:21
DarkwingDuckhmmm.10:21
valoriein that way, docs are available on the web and in the apps10:22
valorieidentically10:22
valoriemostly10:22
DarkwingDuck*nods*10:22
valoriethat doesn't necessarily help with Kubuntu-specific stuff10:22
valoriebut how much of that do we have?10:23
DarkwingDuck:) We dont go too far into apps10:23
DarkwingDuckmostly sys docs10:23
valorieok, so KDE does the apps10:23
DarkwingDuckyes10:23
valorieand we (on the sites) focus on use10:23
DarkwingDuckand within the khelpcenter10:23
valoriek, I'm just trying to scout around and figure out how everything is organized10:24
valoriekhelpcenter is within the apps, correct?10:24
DarkwingDuckIm slowly organizing everything10:25
DarkwingDuckAlt F2 > help10:25
DarkwingDuckEverything under Kubuntu Documentation10:25
DarkwingDuckwe hold everything in a BZR branch10:25
DarkwingDucklp:kubuntu-docs10:26
valorieI understand I'm going to have to learn some BZR10:26
valorie::sigh::10:26
valorielol10:26
DarkwingDucka bit :)10:26
valoriehoping my small git experience helps, instead of confuses10:26
DarkwingDucki was svn n picked up bzr in an hour10:27
DarkwingDuckmyself, jjesse and nixternal have commit access10:27
apachelogger+&lt;/style&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body style=&quot; font-family:'Ubuntu'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;&quot;&gt;10:28
apachelogger+&lt;p style=&quot; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot; font-family:'Sans Serif';&quot;&gt;Really in need of a UI wizard! =P&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</string>10:28
apacheloggersrsly10:28
* DarkwingDuck thwaps apachelogger10:28
apacheloggerwhy does the ubuntu font come after you and eat your puppies10:28
DarkwingDucklol10:28
* apachelogger is pissed and switches to bad music10:28
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: you at uds?10:28
DarkwingDuckwill you rather10:28
apacheloggerI shall annoy everyone at uds so hard that they will pay me to join opensuse, for opensuse does not have a stupid font that creeps up in your ui files10:29
valoriethat is some horrible html "styling" apachelogger10:29
apacheloggerhow is ubuntu a font family anyway10:29
apachelogger...10:29
apacheloggervalorie: tell that to Qt10:30
DarkwingDuckvalorie: nixternal stepped down, jjesse will be limited in helping he said so i kinda inharited everything... glad i have more help10:30
apacheloggerwhy people use qt designer is a mystery to me10:30
valoriesec10:30
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: dont hold back... tell us what you really think10:30
apacheloggerespecially if they evidently have no idea of what is going on under the hood - hence the missing layouts in the pam-face-authentication stuff10:30
* apachelogger takes his keyboard and throws it after uninformed programmers10:30
DarkwingDuck:D10:31
DarkwingDuckAnd, i have class in the morning. goodnight. valorie, looking forward to working with you.10:32
apacheloggernini DarkwingDuck10:32
apacheloggeroh10:32
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: you will be at uds?10:32
apacheloggerthat reminds me, I have algorithms magic in like 30 minutes10:32
apacheloggeroh dear oh dear10:32
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: yes10:32
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: see you there10:32
valorienixternal stepped down?10:33
valoriesad10:33
DarkwingDuckaye, he taught me most of what i know10:33
valoriebut he'll be around enough to ask questions of?10:34
valorieI'm not afraid to ask and appear stupid10:34
valoriesince sometimes I am10:34
valorielol10:34
DarkwingDuckI have his number. but ive been doing a couple years now :)10:34
valorieOK, well at UDS, I guess we will have a chance to do a review of what needs doing10:35
valorieprioritize, etc.10:35
valorieseems like maybe we need to recruit a few more people?10:35
DarkwingDuckthats part of the plan10:35
apacheloggerbrrr10:37
* apachelogger is looking forward to florida temperatures10:37
apacheloggerflipping cold here10:38
valoriegetting cold here too10:39
valoriewas sunny, but brrrr10:39
valoriewell folks, I'm running out of steam10:41
valorieniters10:41
Mamarokpavucontrol lacks icons when installed in Kubuntu. Does that mean I have to install Gnome icons as well?11:09
davmor2Mamarok: Some items won't show up until a reboot has been performed,  Failing that try running it from the CLI or from Alt-F2 to see if it has been install correctly11:17
debfxI wonder why qtcreator fails to build on arm with: libqtwebkit-dev : Depends: libqtwebkit4 (= 2.0.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed11:20
Mamaroka reboot? You are kidding, this is linux after all11:24
MamarokI did start it from krunner11:24
aldebfx: maybe because qt4-dev-tools and libqtwebkit-dev depend on conflicting versions of libqtwebkit4?11:31
al(just guessing)11:32
debfxal: no, qt4-dev-tools : Depends: libqtwebkit4 (>= 2.0~week31)11:32
=== Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_
apacheloggermeh12:29
apacheloggerthat pam-face-authentication gui is in need of design12:29
apachelogger...and I dont mean the artworky design12:30
apacheloggeralso their wizard is made out of annoyance12:31
jussiapachelogger: let me know when you are done..12:47
jussiapachelogger: oh and btw, where is my memenu!! ? :F12:47
apacheloggeryoumenu12:47
apacheloggeroh12:47
apacheloggerthey are discussion wemenu I heared ^^12:47
apacheloggerthat is like the nearby-foo plasmoid just more integrated12:48
apacheloggerand called menu12:48
jussihehe12:49
jussiok, lets hope its cool12:50
apacheloggerjussi: certainly not as cool as leaning over to my cam to get apt-get kicking ^^12:54
jussiapachelogger: true12:58
* apachelogger is a terrible bug reporter13:01
=== hunger_ is now known as hunger
CIA-116[libqapt] jmthomas * 1187144 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Speed up the construction of the main Worker class by one blank QVariantMap construction. We always initialize it before use, so we don't need to construct it in the class initializer.13:49
apacheloggerinkscape is broken \o/14:39
apacheloggerterminate called after throwing an instance of 'Gtk::IconThemeError'14:39
apacheloggertheme errors are certainly most fatal14:39
ximion_apachelogger: see bug #651678 - very annoying15:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 651678 in Inkscape "anjuta crashes with assertion failure on startup" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65167815:33
=== ulysses_ is now known as ulysses
apacheloggerhttp://www.moby.com/journal/2010-10-17/heres-where-i-spend-my-days-it-looks-nas.html17:23
apacheloggerehehehe17:23
shadeslayerkewl site btw17:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: im not getting a new phone ... infact .. i dont have a phone now :'(17:24
shadeslayertime to run to knut i suppose :P17:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: coming to the pizza+movie thing?17:26
apacheloggerwhat pizza+movie thing?17:27
debfxknut the polar bear?17:27
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/242/detail/17:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: also about phones, thiago surely could get some n900 :P17:27
shadeslayerapachelogger: we should poke him hard then :P17:28
apacheloggerohm17:28
apacheloggerehm17:28
apacheloggerahm17:28
apacheloggerxls == excel, no?17:28
shadeslayeryus17:28
shadeslayeralso ... pdf .. 17:28
apacheloggerwell, nothing wrong with pdf17:29
apacheloggerbut xls17:29
apachelogger...17:29
shadeslayerfdf!!!17:29
shadeslayerdebfx: knut.. the awesome guy who gives away N900's :P17:29
* apachelogger should drop one of those "please do not send me office files" replies just of the lolz of it17:29
shadeslayerheh...17:29
apacheloggershadeslayer: he is also awesome for other reasons :P17:29
apacheloggerlike dancing the electonic boogie17:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: yes, but giving away N900's tops the list17:30
apacheloggernah, electro boogie does :P17:30
shadeslayernever seen him dance :)17:30
apacheloggerask the youtubez17:30
shadeslayertoo many polar bear results :P17:31
shadeslayeroh wait17:31
shadeslayerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzXtRtH8OBI17:31
shadeslayeri think i saw that on CNN sometime ago17:32
debfxhow can I convince bzr-buildpackage to build my uncommitted package? :(17:32
shadeslayerdebfx: erm.. you can commit and then uncommit if theres a issue, as long as you dont bzr push17:33
apacheloggerby impl0ment0ring the true idea of bzr driven development17:33
apacheloggerbranch branch branch17:33
debfxshadeslayer: I could but I don't want to17:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok.. i agree, electronic boogie tops the list17:34
apachelogger*nod*17:34
apacheloggerso17:34
apacheloggerabout the pizza movie and free love thing17:34
shadeslayerhmm17:34
apacheloggerfrom a community building POV we should attend, of course I would rather have the whole kubuntu crew attend, so we probably should consider this at large17:35
apacheloggeralso, I think monday is the day valorie and I are going to the MGMT gig :P17:35
shadeslayerMGMT ?17:35
apacheloggeryoutubez17:35
shadeslayerooohh rock17:35
apacheloggeryoutubez is the new lord google17:36
apacheloggerdisturbing video take 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe4EK4HSPkI&ob=av2n ^^17:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: This video contains content from Vevo, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.  << lulz17:37
apacheloggerhaha17:37
apacheloggerclearly too disturbing for india17:37
* apachelogger wished the same for austria17:37
apacheloggerit is is sorta like amnesia - the dark decent as a music video17:37
apacheloggerthat said17:37
apacheloggerI still did not finish amnesia17:37
* apachelogger can only play like 30 minutes at a time before running danger of passing out17:38
shadeslayercomments on bug 565376 welcome17:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 565376 in desktopcouch "bughugger does not work in kubuntu lucid" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56537617:39
apacheloggerdesktopcouch17:39
apacheloggersurely that thing still does not support kwallet :P17:39
shadeslayeryes .. 17:39
shadeslayerdont think so :P17:39
apacheloggeralso I am not entirely sure I patched it to 17:39
sheytan_Quintasan hey dude. What about the PN logo. Do you want it still? :D17:39
* apachelogger points sheytan_ towards a presentation template :P17:40
shadeslayersheytan_: id say yes :)17:40
apacheloggerthat said17:40
apacheloggerwhat do you people think about porting the you bun too one to kubuntu blue&logo?17:40
* sheytan_ is proud to announce that the Join Us page is now complete redesigned and waits for development :D17:40
sheytan_apachelogger is there a how to to create that template?17:41
sheytan_i mean, how do i put stuff to one file17:41
apacheloggervia the master slide17:41
shadeslayerhmm... i should one of my pending assignments ... 17:41
apacheloggersheytan_: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/talks/Ubuntu%20in%2050%20minutes.odp if you can make me such a background I can put together the template17:41
* apachelogger is not entirely sure if the style fits kubuntu though....17:42
apacheloggeroggy oggy oggy!17:45
shadeslayerhmm... for some reason i dont have pinentry update17:46
shadeslayerand im on the main mirror17:46
shadeslayerPublished 18 hours ago ... -.-17:46
apacheloggeroh oh oh17:46
apacheloggerW: pam-face-authentication: non-standard-dir-in-usr usr/kde/17:47
apacheloggerW: pam-face-authentication: file-in-unusual-dir usr/kde/4/bin/xwindowFaceAuth17:47
apacheloggerE: pam-face-authentication: file-directly-in-usr-share usr/share/haarcascade.xml17:47
apacheloggerE: pam-face-authentication: file-directly-in-usr-share usr/share/haarcascade_eye.xml17:47
apacheloggerE: pam-face-authentication: file-directly-in-usr-share usr/share/haarcascade_eye_tree_eyeglasses.xml17:47
apacheloggerE: pam-face-authentication: file-directly-in-usr-share usr/share/haarcascade_nose.xml17:47
apacheloggerat times I wonder17:47
apacheloggerI REALLY DO17:47
apacheloggerdo developers actually think before doing thing17:47
apacheloggers17:47
nixternalapachelogger: haha, knut is god!17:49
apacheloggerfullack17:49
sheytan_apachelogger http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6811/basej.jpg17:56
=== sheytan_ is now known as sheytan
apacheloggersheytan: png would be better?17:58
sheytanapachelogger this is only a demo :D17:59
sheytansure, just a sec :D17:59
apacheloggeroh17:59
apacheloggerme likes the demo17:59
apacheloggersheytan: need a different dimension too18:00
apacheloggersomething like 11 inch to 8 inch18:01
sheytanapachelogger give me few minutes, todo list is endless :D18:02
ScottKshadeslayer: What release are you running?18:02
shadeslayerScottK: maverick!18:02
apachelogger11.02" by 8.27"18:03
ScottKNot published then.18:03
ScottKIt needs review by the SRU team.18:03
apacheloggersheytan: ^18:03
ScottKshadeslayer: If you can't wait, it's in my PPA.18:03
shadeslayerScottK: nah.. i have a local deb here ... but what i dont understand is... if its published, is it stuck in SRU queue?18:04
shadeslayeror rather the upload queue18:04
ScottKshadeslayer: Not stuck.  Waiting for review.18:04
shadeslayerohk18:04
ScottKA member of ubuntu-sru reviews the diff for every SRU before approving it.18:04
shadeslayeri thought you just upload it in proposed and your done :)18:07
sheytanapachelogger 300ppi?18:07
apacheloggerwhat are ppi?18:08
sheytanapachelogger pixels per inch ;)18:08
* apachelogger only knows dpi18:09
apacheloggerand there I would go for 600+18:09
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot71.png18:09
sheytanapachelogger dpi is the same as ppi i thin k18:10
sheytanapachelogger: from wiki " Some digital file formats record a DPI value, or more commonly a PPI (pixels per inch) value, which is to be used when printing the image"18:11
* apachelogger only knows DPI18:12
apacheloggerso much for common :P18:12
apacheloggersurely some artist wrote that article18:12
ScottKshadeslayer: You're done, but the SRU team is not.18:12
shadeslayerok18:12
apacheloggersheytan: btw, I doubt the subtle surface of the header will be visible on most projectors18:13
sheytanapachelogger yeah, that's why i put there a light gradient ;)18:13
apacheloggerstill not sure it would be noticable18:14
apacheloggermost projectors out there are utter crap18:14
sheytanapachelogger, don't worry :D18:14
* apachelogger is too old to not worry :P18:19
apacheloggerwith regards to bug 655646 I am wondering if the indicator plugin will turn on the tray icon if no indicator is around...18:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 655646 in kopete (Ubuntu) "Kopete's icon not shown in system tray" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65564618:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: do we think we could just copy moby's site and use it for kubuntu? ^^18:26
ScottKI'm pretty sure you have to turn it back on yourself.18:26
ScottKIt's not a bug in any case.18:26
shadeslayerapachelogger: is it GPLv* licensed? :P18:26
apacheloggerScottK: IMHO it is an upgrade issue18:26
shadeslayerScottK: yeah you can turn it on18:27
ScottKapachelogger: What's the upgrade issue?18:27
apacheloggerupon upgrade we should make sure the indicator is active, and if not add it18:27
apacheloggerScottK: that now kopete will close on close whereas before it did not and with indicator it does not either18:27
shadeslayerapachelogger: does dh have a --with qt option?18:27
ScottKIf we're going to take the systray icon away, I agree.18:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: no, why?18:28
apacheloggerwhat for?18:28
shadeslayerjust wondering18:28
apacheloggerdh will figure out the build system itself18:28
shadeslayerand what if the pro file is in src/18:28
apacheloggerthe only reason we have with kde is because debian likes to do fancy stuff :P18:28
shadeslayerand not in top level of source18:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: just override auto_dh_configure18:28
apacheloggeror what the target is called18:28
apacheloggerman dh18:28
apacheloggerinvoke qmake manually18:28
shadeslayerright it wont pick that itself right?18:28
apacheloggeralso I think you can pass arguments directly to dh18:29
apacheloggerthough I think for qmake you need to cd into the dir to make it work, so...18:29
apacheloggershadeslayer: dunno, maybe, I wouldnt count on it18:29
ScottKdpkg-buildpackage -S for boost finishes on my laptop or heat death of the univerise: Which comes first?18:30
shadeslayerScottK: id say heat death18:30
shadeslayerunless you cool it somehow18:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: so no to pizza+movie thing?18:30
ScottKshadeslayer: Heat death of the Universe is something different.18:30
apacheloggershadeslayer: depends on a) whether valorie is getting MGMT tickets and b) whether the rest of the crew is interested18:31
shadeslayerhmm18:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: ask rest of the crew then?18:31
apacheloggeraye18:32
sheytanapachelogger http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3365/base2x.jpg18:32
shadeslayerwhat are those ugly splotches18:33
shadeslayerlooks like ubuntu's just-before-release-wallpaper-fiasco18:34
sheytanshadeslayer these are extra for those who don't like them :D18:35
sheytani knew someone will not :D18:35
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot72.png18:35
neversfeldesheytan: hi, you are working on our website?18:35
apacheloggersheytan: now I wonder if the background gear would be visible on bad projectors :)18:36
sheytanneversfelde yep, but the main dev is some kind of busy  and thhe development stops now. but we already have some work done :)18:36
shadeslayerok cya guys18:36
sheytanapachelogger it should, but if not, they'll think there's nothing there :D18:36
apacheloggerwhich is also bad :P18:36
apacheloggerhence I think the canonical design team added the dots18:37
shadeslayerapachelogger: you were talking about data loss in rekonq yesterday, what happened?18:37
sheytanapachelogger well, not that bad :D18:37
neversfeldesheytan: all links for local language support are broken18:37
apacheloggerthough IMHO the dots disturb18:37
neversfeldehttp://www.kubuntu.org/community18:37
apacheloggersheytan: well, not awesome either ;)18:37
shadeslayersplotches! theyre called splotches! :>18:37
neversfeldesheytan: I cannot report a bug, because I have no access to launchpad18:37
apacheloggershadeslayer: it did the crashy18:37
shadeslayerdid it not ask to restore stuff?18:37
sheytanneversfelde i didn't work on the current page. I'm working on a whole new project from top to bottom :)18:37
neversfeldesheytan: ah ok18:38
neversfeldewe will change the default design again?18:38
sheytanapachelogger so, should i make he logo more visable/ :D18:38
shadeslayeri have such a full time table :(18:38
sheytanneversfelde i think yes18:38
apacheloggersheytan: no18:38
apacheloggersheytan: come up with something else :P18:38
apacheloggerdots for example :P18:38
neversfeldewe probably should not do this so often :)18:38
sheytanapachelogger dots sucks :D18:39
apacheloggerfullack18:39
* apachelogger slaps apachelogger for dotting around18:39
apachelogger......18:39
apacheloggerthere18:39
apacheloggermuhahaha18:39
apachelogger:P18:39
sheytanneversfelde this one isn't that cool, is it? :P Our new will have manuals, videos, lots of information and cool screenshots. See my blog for some shots ;)18:39
neversfeldesheytan: so I have to talk to ofirk about these links?18:39
sheytanyes18:39
shadeslayerbye18:40
neversfeldesheytan: k, I like our page, but if it is better, I am looking forward :)18:40
apacheloggersheytan: seriously though, I think we need something... how about an alternative version without the background gear and instead a bottom border thingy (like with the header)18:40
apacheloggershould one deem it necessary one can easily switch and fancy head and bottom certainly make for a good visual balance too18:40
sheytanapachelogger lets try18:40
sheytanneversfelde http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/08/nowosci-z-poligonu-strona-domowa.html  http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/09/wiesci-z-prac-nad-strona-kubuntu.html18:41
* apachelogger thinks sheytan really should blog in the english :P18:42
apachelogger...I sort of feel forced to learn polish...18:42
* sheytan thinks about new blog in english but learning polish isn't that hard :D Me knows german :D18:43
apacheloggerwell, I do not blog in german either, do I :P18:43
apacheloggerthe occasional german or french microblog post aside ;)18:43
sheytanapachelogger i meant when i can learn german you can learn polish :D18:44
apacheloggersure, but just to read a blog... seems a bit of a strange rationale :P18:44
sheytanapachelogger you're not limited to the blog :D18:45
apacheloggerright, I could do a talk in front of the UN in polish :D18:46
neversfeldesheytan: not enough free traffic to view the internet :)18:46
apacheloggernot sure they would let me though18:46
sheytanapachelogger what's UN? :D18:47
apacheloggerunited nations18:48
apacheloggeroh noes18:49
apacheloggerbug 66282418:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 662824 in amarok (Ubuntu) "amarok's UI doesn't start and process uses 100% CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66282418:49
apacheloggerthe amarok is the broken18:49
sheytandoesn't happen to me ;D18:49
sheytani mean Works For Me (TM) :D18:49
apacheloggerI dont use it(tm)18:50
apacheloggerbanshee ftw o/ o/ o/18:50
sheytanaahahah :D18:50
sheytanwin :D18:50
sheytanbut well, me doesn't like gtk stuff in a qt environment ;D18:50
sheytanapachelogger http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7671/base2t.jpg18:50
apacheloggerthe best thing about banshee is that it is written in the mo-no, which in turn is to-slo18:51
apacheloggersheytan: can you please remove the your name here?18:51
apacheloggersheytan: makes it hard to demo test it ^^18:51
sheytanapachelogger demo :D, now let me send you png18:51
* sheytan has new idea :D18:52
apacheloggeroh noes18:52
apachelogger...those creative people...18:52
neversfelderofl18:52
* apachelogger skansk with neversfelde meanwhile since Nightrose is MIA18:52
apacheloggeralso that typo is free as in free beer18:53
apacheloggerfeel free to keep it18:53
* neversfelde hides18:54
neversfeldeand is in panic18:54
sheytanapachelogger 4Gigs of ram isn't enough for me when i'm gimping ;D18:54
apacheloggerhm18:55
apacheloggergimping18:55
apacheloggerthat sounds dirty18:55
* apachelogger better leaves18:55
shadeslayerok ... im back18:56
shadeslayerno paper to write my assignment on -.-18:56
sheytanshadeslayer had bad dreams that he didn't done some stuff :D18:56
shadeslayersheytan: heh... the last thing i care about are these assignments :P18:56
shadeslayerapachelogger: lets make a browser for meego18:57
shadeslayerwebkity browser18:57
* apachelogger has a fear of falling off chairs, hence he preferrs sitting on benches18:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: I am certain there already is one :P18:57
shadeslayer:O18:57
shadeslayerwhere!18:57
apacheloggeralso I am now phonon co-maintainer as per order of markey18:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: part of standard distribution?18:57
apacheloggeralmost certainly nokia will not deploy an intartubes enabled device without browser, so there is bound to be one, or at least be one in production18:58
markeyapachelogger is now a lieutenant of Phonon :)18:58
apacheloggeruhh, that is a fancy title \o/19:02
apacheloggergood news everyone19:02
apacheloggerI am going out to get wasted :P19:02
sheytanapachelogger http://www.sendspace.com/file/fd5zdt19:02
apacheloggerone must celebrate a promotion properly19:02
neversfeldeapachelogger: ok, so why does my laptop stop playing sound,  when I am not moving the cursor :)19:03
apacheloggerlikely pulseaudio/audio driver problem19:03
neversfeldeapachelogger: I removed pulseaudio, same problem, but I did a lot of testing with this system, probably it is time to reinstall it19:04
neversfeldeso, at least I would do so, if I every will be connected to the internet again19:04
* sheytan wonders if the upgrade to 11.04 will be the same smooth as to 10.10 :D19:06
* apachelogger shall make sure that it is not19:07
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot73.png19:07
apacheloggersheytan: I think that looks pretty decent19:08
apacheloggersheytan: could you also send me a png of the backgrounded version?19:08
ScottKapachelogger: You going out to get wasted isn't news.  News is when something unusual happens.19:08
apacheloggerneversfelde: well, it still can be a problem with the alsa driver19:08
sheytanapachelogger what backgrounded you mean, with the logo but without footer?19:09
apacheloggeraye19:09
sheytansure19:09
apacheloggersheytan: no rush though19:09
* apachelogger is leaving now19:09
sheytanapachelogger it's few clicks away ;)19:10
apacheloggerScottK: I see :P19:10
neversfeldeapachelogger: sure, it works with Lucid kernel, but I did not have enough time to have a closer look19:10
sheytanapachelogger http://www.sendspace.com/file/rqoir819:24
shadeslayernooo19:28
shadeslayerhmm19:28
shadeslayeri cant remove qtwebkit :|19:28
shadeslayerwth19:28
shadeslayerQuintasan: we must supply nightly webkit packages as well.. or is that covered under nightly qt?19:30
sheytanshadeslayer is tehre a plan to build kde trunk in next few days for neon?19:31
shadeslayerits already built19:31
shadeslayerwe just need to fiddle out the details and some minor packaging details19:31
shadeslayerall the major stuff is done anyways19:32
Lex79debfx: are you planning to do kdebase and edu merges?19:32
sheytanshadeslayer me wish the ppa :D19:32
shadeslayersheytan: launchpad.net/~neon19:32
shadeslayersee the ppa  ;)19:32
debfxLex79: yes, i'll push kdebase in a minute19:32
Lex79ok thanks19:32
shadeslayerno qtwebkit nightly builds19:35
shadeslayer:|19:35
shadeslayeratleast they have a code import on lp \o/19:37
shadeslayerLex79: is webkit on in qt4-X11 or as a seprate package?19:39
Lex79shadeslayer: in a separate package, qtwebkit-source package19:41
shadeslayerah i was looking in the right place then19:41
shadeslayerah that package is a transitional package19:42
shadeslayerlibqt4-webkit: transitional package for Qt 4 WebKit module 19:42
Lex79yeah19:43
shadeslayerwhy is this :         rm -f imports/QtWebKit/libqmlwebkitplugin.so JavaScriptCore/release/libjscore.a19:45
shadeslayerthats a clean rule19:45
shadeslayerhmm... suppose it cant hurt for a nightly package .... 19:45
shadeslayeri think i might have to kill lp19:51
ScottKGet in line.19:52
shadeslayertheres a line? i thought everyone is so bloodthirsty we just stab it all together19:53
ScottKIt's more fun to draw it out.19:53
shadeslayerah 19:54
alalso it's been open sourced, so patches welco&"#!§NO CARRIER19:54
shadeslayeral: theres no patch for lp timing out :P19:54
ali'm afraid if you'd track it down there even might be ;)19:54
ScottKal: It's open source, but not really free software IMO.19:55
Riddellother way around19:55
ScottKI don't consider AGPL as truly free since it forces distribution.19:56
alregardless of license and policy - nothing with that installation procedure should ever qualify as "free"19:57
ScottKSo I'm only "free" to modify and use code after I set up an distribution mechanism for it.19:57
ScottKThat too.19:57
ScottKI understand it's getting easier.19:58
alyou can keep your dns zone now? :>19:58
alok, i even get the part with the internal host names…19:59
ScottKNo idea.  I just heard that.19:59
ScottKAnyone packaging kdepim 4.4.7 when it gets rolled later this week?20:00
shadeslayerScottK: ill do it probably20:03
shadeslayeras well as kdevelop .. but that has to wait till tomorrow20:03
ScottKshadeslayer: OK.  Good.  I wanted t make sure someone was queued up to look at it.20:03
shadeslayerok20:03
shadeslayerhmmm... i caught build queue at a good moment.. its empty right noq20:04
shadeslayerwe need more builders, amd should sponsor some :P20:04
shadeslayeror intel20:04
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok so i poked around, meego only has chromium and fenneck20:05
shadeslayerfennec20:06
shadeslayeruhhh20:06
shadeslayerhttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/builders/samarium20:07
shadeslayerwhy does it say ~kubuntu-members/qtwebkit/trunk ..20:07
shadeslayer.... possibly because webkit is under ~kubuntu-members20:07
nixternalI expect a TODO list in my inbox, msg'd to me, or whatever for nutty :p20:46
shadeslayernixternal: natty :P20:52
shadeslayernutty narwhal ... lol20:52
* shadeslayer puts World Domination at top of TODO20:52
shadeslayer->sleep20:54
rbelemI got the visa! \o/21:24
jussicongrats rbelem!!21:25
rbelem:-D21:25
rbelemthat was hard!21:26
jussipeoples, whoever is responsible for this netbook edition....21:26
jussishould be congratulated! very useable and very very good!!21:26
apacheloggerhullos21:35
jussihiya apachelogger!!21:36
* apachelogger sings the pub with no beer21:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: and fennec is no good?21:36
jussibtw, anyone know a way I can put something in the netbook panel for quick acess to the menu/desktop area - show desktop doeesnt help...21:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://maemo.nokia.com/features/maemo-browser/21:37
apacheloggerjussi: isnt there an activity bar already?21:37
jussiapachelogger: activity bar?21:38
apacheloggerwell the thing where you ahve search&launch and page121:38
jussilol...duh! thanks21:39
jussihehe21:39
apacheloggersheytan: maybe a title page background would also be useful?21:52
sheytanapachelogger sure, give me few minutes ;)21:52
ScottKjussi: I passed that on to the main plasma-netbook developer.  Agateau gets credit for the app menu stuff.21:58
ScottKThat helps a lot.21:58
jussiScottK: excellent!21:59
jussiScottK: I do have one little complaint, when clicking on the activity bar, it changes straight away, so I have to click again to get back from page one - I just want it to show me search and launch...22:00
ScottKThen click on that part of the activity bar, right?22:01
ScottKI usually click on the app control widget in the panel to get present windows and click on the one I want.22:01
jussiyes, I click on the search and launch and it slides over to the page one...22:03
jussialthough it doesnt happen everytime... its a bit strange22:03
sheytanapachelogger ready? :D22:04
apacheloggerAlways ^^22:04
* ScottK doesn't ask "for what".22:05
sheytanScottK Don't ask :D22:05
* apachelogger thinks that is a good idea22:05
sheytanapachelogger http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/338/startpage.jpg22:08
apacheloggerfancy22:08
* apachelogger tries22:08
apacheloggersheytan: do you think one should place font on that?22:09
sheytanapachelogger on what?22:09
apacheloggeron the background ^^22:09
sheytanYeah, why not22:09
apacheloggersheytan: what color would you use for that?22:09
* apachelogger thinks something greyish maybe22:09
sheytanwhite, only white here :D22:10
sheytangray + blue != goodness :D22:10
sheytani mean, not in this case :D22:10
apacheloggerhm22:14
apacheloggernot suited for large amounts of text22:14
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot74.png22:14
apacheloggersheytan: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot75.png22:16
apacheloggerI do not think text fits there at all22:16
apacheloggersheytan: maybe removing the gear would help?22:16
sheytanapachelogger first you shouldn't put that much text into a presentation. And if you have to, like in this case you quote someone, use smaller font :)22:17
sheytanAnd i'll try  to remove the gear22:17
apacheloggerpeople *will* use loads of text :P22:17
apacheloggerthey always do22:17
sheytanapachelogger they shouldn't22:18
sheytanif you put the same thing you will say into a presentation, it is useless22:18
apacheloggerthey also shouldn't use deprecated software, yet there are quite a few of them using gnome...22:18
sheytananyway, make the font smaller :D22:19
apacheloggerwell, it wouldn't help the issue of the gear disturbing :P22:20
sheytanapachelogger this one will http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/338/startpage.jpg22:21
apacheloggerbetter22:23
apacheloggerthough22:23
* apachelogger still doesnt quite like how it looks22:23
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot76.png22:23
sheytanapachelogger why not? :P22:24
apacheloggernot sure22:24
apacheloggerit just looks a bit odd IMHO22:24
apacheloggerthen again I am not much of  fan of start pages anyway22:24
* apachelogger would just use the first startpage background as empty page that is on before the talk actually begins, just looking nice, but not having any use22:25
sheytanapachelogger i can add stuff there, but simple looks better imho22:26
sheytanit's not a wallpaper :D22:26
apacheloggeryeah22:26
apacheloggersheytan: just leave it, can you get me a png of both versions?22:26
sheytansure22:26
apacheloggerI think then the template is pretty much done :D22:26
sheytanapachelogger will this be the kubuntu default one? :D22:27
apacheloggerI shall hope so22:27
sheytanCool :D22:28
sheytanBtw, any plans to put libre office instead of open office?22:28
sheytanto 11.0422:28
apacheloggerthat is up to ubuntu22:29
sheytanthey will replace it22:30
sheytanapachelogger if you decide, use that one without a gear :D22:30
apacheloggerwe will just provide both ;)22:31
apacheloggerrecommend the one without gear for pages with text, and the one with for text-less use22:31
sheytansounds good22:32
apacheloggerfile:///home/me/Kubuntu.pdf22:33
apacheloggerehm22:33
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/Timelord/Kubuntu.pdf22:33
sheytanapachelogger http://www.sendspace.com/file/7h9qyi22:35
sheytanapachelogger http://www.sendspace.com/file/j5yevp22:37
sheytanbrb22:38
apacheloggersheytan: thanks22:38
sheytanapachelogger share the template when you make it ;D22:43
sheytanand you're welcome ;)22:43
apacheloggeropinions on the example pdf?22:44
sheytanapachelogger for pdf, the top and bottom parts should be 2 different files.22:46
sheytanbut, well, looks nice :D22:46
apacheloggeryeah, just showcasing all options22:47
sheytanlooks good :D22:48
sheytankI'm kGoing kTo kSleep. kBy kGuys :D23:05
apacheloggerhm23:09
apacheloggermaybe I should have compressed them pngs, the otp is 11 MiB ^^23:09
apacheloggeroh23:15
apacheloggerthe png is rather largely exported23:15
apacheloggeranyone still around?23:18
apacheloggerwell, then I shall go to bed ^^23:26
apacheloggero/23:26
SputI'm still here, apachelogger!23:42

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