[00:29] <TheUni> our ppa requires ubuntu universe to be enabled, otherwise users get dependency issues. is there a way to not this in the package?
[00:30] <TheUni> *note
[01:08] <pattern> i just created a new project in launchpad, did a "bzr push lp:~me/myproject/trunk", which succeeded (as i can see via "bzr ls lp:~me/myproject/trunk"), but for some reason i can't see any files in https://launchpad.net/myproject/trunk
[01:09] <pattern> and on that web page launchpad tells me that "You haven't yet told Launchpad where your source code is for myproject trunk series."
[02:41] <persia> TheUni, I realise this information is a bit late, but the way PPAs are set up presume that universe is enabled: this is true for every PPA.  I don't believe there's a special way to indicate this though.
[02:41] <TheUni> persia: ugh :\
[02:42] <TheUni> that stinks, considering how cryptic the error messages seem to users
[02:42] <persia> The common response from most folk seems to be "Well then, don't use PPAs".  I'm not sure the entire ecosystem couldn't benefit from some thought.
[02:42] <wgrant> universe used to be enabled by default, so this wasn't much of a problem.
[02:43] <TheUni> persia: seems simple enough to me: Depends: universe/library
[02:43] <TheUni> if universe isn't installed, prompt with a nice message
[02:43] <TheUni> s/installed/enabled
[02:43] <hypatia> is this the right place for a launchpad/wiki SSO problem?
[02:44] <wgrant> hypatia: Maybe. If not, we can point you elsewhere.
[02:44] <persia> Oh, you could probably achieve that using a software channel definition.
[02:44] <wgrant> Ask away.
[02:44] <TheUni> persia: please elaborate
[02:44] <persia> But doesn't solve the structural problem.
[02:46] <persia> TheUni, provide a package containing a software channel that points at your PPA and forces universe to be enabled.  Tell folks to add this software channel to get your packages.  Use the PPA as a delivery mechanism, but not as part of the user interface.
[02:46] <persia> I'm not sure how closely software channels are documented: I found out about them because someone in my LoCo was digging through the software-center source.
[02:48] <TheUni> persia: i'm not seeing any docs. got any hints?
[02:48] <persia> not usefully beyond pointers to the consumer source
[02:49] <TheUni> ok
[02:50] <hypatia> wgrant: conveniently, i've already filed a bug: https://answers.launchpad.net/moin-openid/+question/110123
[02:52] <wgrant> hypatia: The sysadmins seem to have been dealing with that. #canonical-sysadmin may be worth a try.
[02:52]  * wgrant has to go now.
[03:04] <MFen> jml: what's the name of that protocol for exchanging results between xunit clients and servers?
[03:04] <MFen> for some reason i thought it was "xunit" but it can't be that simple
[03:12] <mwhudson> MFen: do you mean subunit?
[03:12] <MFen> yes. i do. thanks :)
[03:32] <hypatia> i'll have a look there, thanks wgrant
[03:43] <natesm> i'm trying to use the "copy packages feature" and getting this:
[03:43] <natesm> The following source cannot be copied:
[03:43] <natesm> clutter-gst-1.0 1.2.0-0ppa2 in maverick (same version already has published binaries in the destination archive)
[03:43] <natesm> it's currently uploaded as maverick, trying to copy to lucid, natty (same message for both)
[03:43] <wgrant> natesm: You need to copy the binaries too.
[03:46] <natesm> wgrant: not sure I follow, I selected "Copy existing binaries" and it worked, is that "safe" though?
[03:47] <wgrant> natesm: It depends on your application.
[03:48] <wgrant> Interpreted things will normally work correctly when copied to another series.
[03:49] <wgrant> Compiled binaries will normally work copied forwards, as long as the ABI hasn't changed.
[03:49] <persia> It's generally safer to copy forward in history (maverick ->natty) than backward (maverick->lucid)
[03:51] <natesm> ok, otherwise do I have to manually create a different package for each version? (it builds without any changes)
[03:52] <wgrant> Right.
[03:52] <wgrant> You'd generally append ~lucid1, ~maverick1, etc. to the version.
[03:53] <mwhudson> there's a thing called autoppa that can do that
[03:53] <mwhudson> and of course, recipes support it too
[03:53] <wgrant> But recipes don't do non-native packages yet.
[03:54] <mwhudson> oh that's true
[03:54] <natesm> http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/introducing-autoppa is this still the relevant thing to read? I noticed "gutsy" in there
[04:09] <michaelh1> Hey, is there a way to link to a blueprints list sorted by project?
[04:09] <michaelh1> I can go to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain and then click on 'Project' to sort, but I want to link straight to that view
[04:32] <persia> michaelh1, It uses YUI, so you'd have to have something that called into that on page load, which doesn't currently exist.  Easy enough if you want to host something ajaxy that pulls from LP, but not if you want LP to do it.
[04:33] <michaelh1> Ah, so there's no .../+specs/all?sort_by=project magic link
[04:33] <persia> Historically, nobody has worked on blueprints except when absolutely necessary since they were introduced, which means the chances of it doing what you want are very low unless you write the code yourself.
[04:34] <persia> YUI might have some URL parsing, but I think it's all JS state variables.
[06:01] <maks_> grr no progress on launchpad email handling
[06:01]  * maks_ leaves grumpy
[06:20] <lifeless> wallyworld: I'm going to change the api slightly, it will be layer.appserver_config_fixture.instance_name
[06:21] <wallyworld> lifeless: ok. you remind me of my wife. "i want to sofa over here, no wait, over there" :-)
[06:29] <StevenK> wallyworld: It's a lot easier to move code than a sofa
[06:30] <lifeless> wallyworld: must be a mark of quality.. you married her after all :P
[06:30] <wallyworld> StevenK: depends :-) code potentially has a lot more dependencies and test breakages to consider. with a sofa, you pick it up and put it down again
[06:31] <wallyworld> lifeless: yes, that was 17 years ago. there's a lot of technical debt to clear now :-)
[09:28] <geser> lamont or bigjools: Hi, can someone of you review the patch in bug 615286? It would be really nice to have that bug fixed soon with natty now opened for development and all the auto-syncs and uploads. Thanks.
[09:34] <bigjools> geser: lamont will need to look at it since he rolls out the buildd code
[11:44] <dpm> Has anything changed recently in Translations? I can't approve templates, I'm getting oopses both on edge and production -> OOPS-1752E947
[12:52] <purvesh> can some one help me to deleting me the launchpad open id ?
[13:28] <BUGabundo> good afternoon
[13:28] <BUGabundo> I'm no longer subscribed to gwibber project bug mail, but i still get ALL emails
[13:29] <BUGabundo> I just rechecked and its clearly unticked !
[13:29] <BUGabundo> please help
[13:30] <wgrant> BUGabundo: What's an example bug report that you're getting mail from?
[13:30] <BUGabundo> ahhh I'm in the team, and its set as bug supervisor
[13:30] <BUGabundo> wgrant: its *all* bug mail
[13:30] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+subscribe
[13:30] <BUGabundo> I'm not in here
[13:30] <BUGabundo> but since im in the team
[13:30] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gwibber-team
[13:30] <wgrant> A team admin will need to unsubscribe the team.
[13:31] <wgrant> Or set a contact address for it.
[13:31] <wgrant> But probably unsubscribe it.
[13:31] <BUGabundo> and its set as Bug supervisor:
[13:31] <BUGabundo> Gwibber Team
[13:31] <BUGabundo> ill talk to segphault
[13:53] <rd2b> Hi all, I am trying to use the launchpad's bzr daily builder with recipes and it always fails with "bzr: ERROR: [Errno 2] No such file or directory". I can't find whats wrong with this. Could anyone help?
[13:56] <MTecknology> I still love how the extimated time to start building is just massively unrealistic.. :P
[13:57] <wgrant> Oh?
[13:57] <wgrant> It shouldn't be too bad at the moment.
[13:59] <MTecknology> wgrant: estimated start in 4sec; that was 7min ago
[13:59] <MTecknology> 8min now :P
[13:59] <wgrant> MTecknology: amd64?
[14:00] <MTecknology> amd64 and i386
[14:10] <bigjools> MTecknology: it's only realistic at the time it samples the queue
[14:10] <bigjools> the queue can change quite quickly
[14:10] <bigjools> and higher priority jobs inserted in front of yours
[14:11] <MTecknology> bigjools: how many things have higher priority than private ppa's?
[14:11] <MTecknology> I'm sure security ppa's do
[14:11] <bigjools> there's no fixed answer to that
[14:11] <bigjools> other than "it depends" :)
[14:12] <napster> What is soyuz related to a distribution?
[15:23] <pattern> i just created a new project in launchpad, did a "bzr push lp:~me/myproject/trunk", which succeeded (as i can see via "bzr ls lp:~me/myproject/trunk"), but for some reason i can't see any files in https://launchpad.net/myproject/trunk
[15:23] <pattern> and on that web page launchpad tells me that "You haven't yet told Launchpad where your source code is for myproject trunk series."
[15:27] <maxb> pattern: on that page you should be able to associate the series with a branch
[15:31] <pattern> ok, i finally figured it out
[15:32] <pattern> thanks, maxb
[15:36] <pattern> to lessen the confusion, imo, the help on that page should say "If the code is in a Bazaar branch not yet on Launchpad you can either: ... Push the branch directly to Launchpad, e.g. with: 'bzr push lp:~me/myproject/trunk' and then link the branch to this series"
[15:37] <pattern> also, on the "link the branch to this series" page searching for "myproject" turned up nothing... i had to search for "trunk" to find the link to the branch
[15:38] <pattern> it might also be good to have that page just list all the branches you own in the first place, so you can just select them by clicking on them without needing to search or to somehow divine the syntax its looking for
[19:24] <Meths> Is it a deliberate change to display username instead of full name in the link in the top right next to log out?
[19:29] <VictorWentz> hi everyone
[19:30] <VictorWentz> r anybody there ?
[20:11] <gustavold> I'm having trouble with launchpad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gustavold/ginn/ginn.gustavo/files
[20:15] <shadeslayer> gustavold: what happened ?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> it times out?
[20:15] <gustavold> shadeslayer: Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[20:16] <shadeslayer> yeah, i think it was a temporary issue, i was having the same issue a few mins ago
[20:16] <shadeslayer> s/was/is
[20:16] <gustavold> shadeslayer: I'm having this only on that page
[20:17] <shadeslayer> me too...
[20:17] <gustavold> shadeslayer: hummm... I was afraid that I had done something wrong... first time I upload a branch to launchpad
[20:18] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:18] <shadeslayer> gustavold: thats a new branch?
[20:18] <gustavold> shadeslayer: yes
[20:18] <shadeslayer> wait a few minutes more ::)
[20:18] <gustavold> shadeslayer: ok
[20:33] <mterry> Does the launchpadlib interface allow creating a PPA?  I didn't see any function that looked like it in the API documentation, but I might have missed it...
[20:34] <james_w> not currently
[20:36] <mterry> james_w, OK thanks
[21:57] <TheUni> i have a -lucid package that i would like to that same ppa for -maveric. i chose copy and rebuild, but it says the .tar.gz already exists. same happens when i try to re-upload. how can i generate a package for maverick using the same sources as before?
[21:57] <TheUni> *like co copy to
[22:21] <Chaos2358> can someone tell me how to report a bug on launchpad?
[22:23] <mwhudson> Chaos2358: is the bug in launchpad, or some other project?
[22:24] <mwhudson> i mean, is the problem you have with launchpad itself?
[22:26] <Chaos2358> mwhudson, everytime i close the screen on my laptop i get a "ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode  your screen, graphics card and input device are not detected" it only happens after i have closed the screen "which is set to go blank when closed" and reopen it
[22:27] <mwhudson> Chaos2358: i think running "ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg" is the way to do that
[22:28] <Chaos2358> terminal?
[22:29] <Chaos2358> sorry i'm a noob
[22:30] <mwhudson> yeah, in a terminal
[22:31] <Chaos2358> mwhudson,  ok thank you
[22:50] <pattern> "bzr launchpad-login foo" will tell bzr to set my launchpad username to "foo"
[22:50] <pattern> how can i unset it or set it to nothing?