[09:14] <iGoodtimz> i was wondering if there was anything that I could create for the next release of ubuntu, eg logos etc
[09:56] <vish> [01:39] <kwwii> so who is coming to Bamberg Germany on the 23rd to see my concert?
[09:56] <vish> kwwii¦ ooh! when is the concert?
[09:56] <vish> not that i would be attending.. ;p
[10:04] <daker> vish, anything about the DesignHub ?
[10:05] <vish> doctormo , thorwil¦ daker would like to help us out, with the design hub..  Html/CSS/JQuery  are his playgrounds :)
[10:06] <vish> daker¦ nothing new, just planning still..
[10:06] <thorwil> daker: still in early planning stages
[10:06] <vish> oh , how well thorwil and my planning align! ;p
[10:07] <daker> also if you will use django i am in
[10:07] <thorwil> daker: do you know something like http://github.com/jgm/gitit#readme in other languages? i guess i don't have to ask you about haskell :)
[10:09] <thorwil> daker: doctormo has experience with django, too. and on my blog post about frameworks, i got only 2 comments, both in favor of django
[10:10] <daker> +1 for me
[10:13] <daker> thorwil, no i don't
[10:15] <thorwil> i figure, if we store assets (submissions) in git or bzr, the same could be done for page content, too
[10:16] <thorwil> but i don't know enough about how one would combine revision control and database
[10:18] <daker> if i understand you would like to use bzr/git to store assets insted of the server/database
[10:19] <daker> right ?
[10:19] <thorwil> daker: yes. i assume that bzr/git are much more efficient at storing changes over time.
[10:20] <thorwil> also, if someone submits derivative work, it would be great to model that as branching
[10:21] <thorwil> not to forget that pushing and pulling assets without using the web interface would be abig plus
[10:21] <daker> yeah
[10:22] <thorwil> what i currently have in mind is a component system similar to what some frameworks offer. lets call them blocks
[10:22] <thorwil> a whole page, a section of content or an uploaded file would all be blocks
[10:23] <thorwil> so you have blocks inside blocks, in various combinations
[10:23] <thorwil> access rights and revision control could happen per block
[10:24] <thorwil> say you have a template for projects of a specific kind. to create new pages with that template could perhaps involve branching it
[10:25] <daker> is there any blueprint for that ?
[10:26] <daker> in another way are you going to disucss it in UDS ?
[10:26] <thorwil> daker: no. i havn't discussed this with anyone, yet. maybe it would be a grat system. maybe it would be overkill and too hard to do
[10:27] <thorwil> daker: i will surely discuss this with doctormo and vish, but outside sessions, most likely
[10:28] <daker> thorwil, oki
[10:30] <thorwil> though there are 3 blueprints where one could bring it up, perhaps. not on technical level
[10:30] <thorwil> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-community
[10:30] <thorwil> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-design-in-open-source
[10:30] <thorwil> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-research-to-design
[10:32]  * daker is looking
[10:33] <thorwil> they are all stubs, so far
[10:37] <vish> thorwil¦ the mighty andreasn will also be there :-)
[10:37] <andreasn> hello
[10:38] <andreasn> mighty, and mighty...
[10:38] <andreasn> :)
[10:38] <thorwil> hi andreasn
[10:38] <thorwil> yes, saw the wiki edit, too
[10:39] <andreasn> subscribed to the blueprints above
[10:39] <vish> thorwil¦ i think he is there for thunderbird, he was discussing it earlier a week or two ago.. the edit just reminded me  ;)
[10:40] <vish> hehe, it will be funny if we switch from FF » chrome and evolution » TB for Natty ;p
[10:41] <thorwil> and from linux to hurd!
[10:41] <thorwil> and ship duke nukem forever open-source edition
[10:42] <andreasn> :)
[10:42] <andreasn> I want to talk, GNOME, Thunderbird and design during the week
[10:43] <thorwil> well, Evolutions smells funny, but the cost of switching seems just a little too high to me, personally. though i made my mother use TB :)
[10:43] <andreasn> it will be great to meet you guys in person
[10:43] <thorwil> yes
[11:16] <doctormo> thorwil, daker, vish: Morning
[11:17] <vish> o/
[11:19] <daker> morning doctormo
[11:20] <doctormo> A week before we started talking about this sort of art submission website I was experimenting with a website
[11:20] <doctormo> http://imagebin.ca/view/aBmfe7.html <- the idea was to have a website where submissions could have a one click packaging button.
[11:22] <doctormo> There was a software center patch with generative 100x600 thumbnails and some clever reverse dep control on enhances to list out what was one of these sorts of packages.
[11:22] <doctormo> I just wanted to throw this into the pile because the html/css/js and django might be useful for an art site. Or as a reference.
[11:23] <daker> yes
[11:28] <thorwil> morning doctormo
[11:29]  * thorwil adds packaging to workflow thoughts
[11:35] <doctormo> https://code.launchpad.net/~doctormo/doctormo-random/art-management-packaging <- pushed code in temporary location.
[11:35] <doctormo> thorwil: do you do much packaging?
[11:36] <thorwil> doctormo: none so far. it's on my learn-enough-once-you-need-it list :)
[11:37] <doctormo> Ah ok, well part of the problem with packages is that you can't stick images into the index, so no thumbnails by default and no category indexing.
[11:43] <thorwil> doctormo: my current briefing proposal reads "Foster quality and quantity of design efforts in the Free Software and Open-Source realm." as underlying goal
[11:43] <thorwil> and "Create, deploy and maintain a website for managing design processes and assets." to be more specific
[11:49] <doctormo> thorwil: Deployment and publishing ease would foster quality and quanitity.
[11:49] <doctormo> Or am I misreading you
[11:51] <thorwil> no, you just show how a good briefing works, i think :)
[12:10] <thorwil> are social hurdles to participation in design efforts an issue? what would those be?
[12:26] <Schendje> thorwil: do you mean online or offline?
[12:26] <Schendje> thorwil: btw, where are you writing this, it sounds really interesting :)
[12:26] <thorwil> Schendje: online
[12:27] <thorwil> Schendje: currently a text file on my desktop. perhaps a blog post later on. all still far away from implementation
[12:28] <Schendje> thorwil: heh, ok :)
[12:29] <Schendje> thorwil: i'm doing an internship at red hat for which i'm doing a little research on design in the foss world
[12:29] <Schendje> thorwil: so that's why i'm interested ;)
[12:30] <thorwil> i see
[12:30] <thorwil> Schendje: i'll be all ears what you found out
[12:31] <Schendje> thorwil: sure
[12:31] <Schendje> thorwil: can i talk to you in the upcoming weeks about design in the ubuntu community?
[12:32] <thorwil> Schendje: sure. you should know the following post, then: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/ubuntu-artwork-crisis/
[12:33] <Schendje> thorwil: yeah, i do :)
[12:33] <Schendje> thorwil: it's um, troubling :(
[12:42] <doctormo> thorwil: I think there will be two social issues, clique avoidance and appreciation encouragement. We may also get a smaller problem with artists who aren't very good yet, but who's egos are burnt by being told they're not good enough yet.
[12:48] <thorwil> doctormo: what do you mean with appreciation encouragement?
[12:48] <doctormo> thorwil: Someone posts an image, it's really cool, 200 people look at it, no one comments.
[12:48] <thorwil> good points, i changed "social hurdles" to "social issues"
[12:48] <thorwil> ah, yes
[12:50] <doctormo> thorwil: Could you send me a note and a comment on deviantArt and I'll try and clean up your dA no email bug.
[12:51] <thorwil> doctormo: with what content? it's a bug? i thought it's an intentional lack by deviantart
[12:52] <doctormo> thorwil: It's a bug to me, even if it's not to them ;-)
[12:52] <doctormo> I love hacking deviantArt, I have my own stylish css to cut out the crap they put on there.
[12:54] <thorwil> doctormo: your nick as Recipient should work, right?
[12:54] <doctormo> yep
[12:54] <doctormo> and a comment on Ubunchu 07 should do :-)
[12:58] <thorwil> untypical one-word comment, done!
[12:59] <thorwil> though, inactive as i am there, if found it's a non-issue, checking at most once a week. always to find nothing of interest :)
[13:05] <doctormo> thorwil: This is something that annoys me tbh, having to check up on it all the time.
[15:09] <vish> thorwil , doctormo : https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-reviving-artwork-team/
[15:10] <doctormo> vish: I'm not sure revival is the right word, because it's not dead is it.
[15:10] <doctormo> Work still happens, processes are known, leadership is here. ish.
[15:10] <vish> ;)
[15:12] <vish> doctormo¦ Re-energize ?
[15:13] <vish>  or .. Invigorate ?
[15:13] <doctormo> vish: Reinvigorate
[15:13] <vish> :)
[15:13] <doctormo> I justed finished a set of python code which allows full access to deviantArt's json, Mwhahaha. they put all sorts of roadblocks up too.
[15:16] <TheTinyToon> doctormo: which techniques did they try to block you?
[15:19] <doctormo> TheTinyToon: Just weird stuff like only accepting certain browsers (wget is blocked for instance) and the json/difi is pretty odd too, obscure or baddly hacked together.
[15:19] <TheTinyToon> ah, okay - so no real techniques, only stupidety? ;)
[15:27] <vish> thorwil , doctormo¦ i updated the spec and included a few items to the whiteboard, feel free to add more items..
[15:27] <vish> oh new link.. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-reinvigorate-artwork-team
[15:49] <doctormo> TheTinyToon: It's a bit hard to tell the difference to be honest, because some website makers till have their belief that they should be the ones to control how data is used on the client. Internet fail.
[17:09] <thorwil> blocking wget? it has a flag for a browser string, doesn't it?
[17:17] <vish> kwwii¦ can you update the topic..? :)
[17:17] <vish> 'fonts'
[18:37]  * thorwil wonders about an appropriate movie star/icon
[18:38] <vish> TheTinyToon¦ context?
[18:38] <vish> err, thorwil ^
[18:38] <thorwil> vish: see recent email from Marianna
[18:39] <vish> thorwil¦ the movie and pizza? ha!
[18:40] <thorwil> vish: no, party on friday. theme party 0.o
[18:45] <vish> thorwil¦ dude! i need to figure out when you are kidding and when you are serious! ;p
[18:45] <vish> oh wait you were serious!
[18:46] <thorwil> vish: people have been struggling with that in real life, but here, i don't know why you wonder ...
[18:46] <vish> thorwil¦ i thought were joking, i hadnt checked the party attachment until now :)
[18:48] <thorwil> vish: i thought about going as marilyn monroe, blonde wig, white dress. maybe a fan (the air moving kind) for assistance.
[18:49] <thorwil> but then, if i travel without shaver like last time, i'll be a bit rugged by then!
[18:49] <vish> thorwil¦ you can always buy a razor ;)