[05:30] <nigelb> I now know that jcastro loves palentology.  It didn't hit me even when he got that tattoo!
[05:35] <nisshh> nigelb, was it "I <3 palentology"? :)
[05:57] <nigelb> nisshh: He proposed a stack exchange for it
[05:57] <nisshh> nigelb, ah ok
[07:22] <ara>  good morning all!
[07:23] <nigelb> morning ara :)
[07:24] <nigelb> Had a good weekend? :)
[07:30] <ara> nigelb, yes, very good thanks, and you?
[07:30] <nigelb> ara: interesting weekend with a lot of festivities.  I've consumed a lot of sugar and good food :D
[08:02] <dholbach> Good morning!
[08:12] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:18] <nigelb> good morning dholbach, dpm :)
[08:18] <dholbach> hi nigelb, hey dpm
[08:22] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:22] <nigelb> morning kim0
[08:22] <kim0> dholbach: howdy!
[08:23] <kim0> stupid cloud-init prevented my laptop from booting
[08:23] <kim0> takes 20 minutes to timeout :)
[08:23] <nigelb> lol, and he's the cloud representative
[08:23] <kim0> hehe :)
[08:23] <kim0> o/ morning everyone
[08:24] <nigelb> in other good news, I now own a server on rackspace cloud
[08:24] <nigelb> your talk on UOW finally convinced me that I should get down to doing things :D
[08:25] <kim0> oh really! hehe
[08:25] <kim0> very cool
[08:31] <dpm> morning dholbach, nigelb, kim0 and everyone else
[08:32] <kim0> dpm: hey buddy
[08:35] <dpm> hey ;)
[10:09] <vish> dholbach¦ hi, who is incharge of sessions? like as in controlling the schedule?
[10:09] <dholbach> vish, all the team leads (community, server, desktop, etc.)
[10:09] <dholbach> vish, I think it should be enough to add a blueprint, propose it for uds-n and then make sure it gets on the system
[10:09] <dholbach> Daviey and jcastro should be able to confirm
[10:10] <vish> dholbach¦ hmm, i mean exact timings..
[10:10] <vish> day and hour..
[10:10] <dholbach> the team leads
[10:10] <dholbach> they can rearrange
[10:10] <dholbach> if necessary
[10:10] <vish> dholbach¦ cool, thx
[10:11] <duanedesign> morning all
[10:13] <vish> is it just me or does anyone else find this pic of dholbach too damn adorable! » http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/4841567839_8953f65f7a_b.jpg
[10:13] <vish> ;)
[10:14] <dholbach> that's ages ago
[10:14] <dholbach> AGES :)
[10:14] <dholbach> I was young
[10:14] <dholbach> innocent
[10:14] <vish> hehe!
[10:15] <nigelb> dholbach: And those were the days you had a haircut regularly
[10:15]  * nigelb hides
[10:15] <dholbach> nigelb, right you are :-P
[10:16] <nigelb> drat, I wish I could let my hair grow
[10:16] <nigelb> I'd probably be disinherited :-P
[10:18] <vish> dholbach¦ the flickr avatar, who too that photo ? thats quite a good one too
[10:18] <vish> took*
[10:18] <dholbach> vish, who was it?
[10:19] <vish> dholbach¦ your photo! ;p with you lying down eyes closed..
[10:19] <vish> your avatar in flickr
[10:19] <dholbach> ah, now I know - that's on picasa, but yeah :)
[10:19] <dholbach> thanks for the flowers :)
[10:20] <vish> dholbach¦ oh, you took it yourself!!! o.0
[10:21] <vish> hmm, this is an old blueprint now its again for UDS-N : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-foundations-n-user-contributed-metadata-for-software-center , which track is this in?
[10:22] <dholbach> vish, no, my girlfriend of the time took it
[10:23] <vish> dholbach¦ *phew* , was wondering how you took that yourself!  :)
[10:25] <vish> Performance has no track lead displayed here : http://uds.ubuntu.com/tracks/
[10:28] <nigelb> vish: it has to be approved first
[10:29] <nigelb> oh, right
[10:29] <nigelb> who has to approve
[10:29] <vish> ;)
[10:29] <nigelb> arh, when I look at subscribers, I expect to see who subscribed them, like bugs
[10:30] <nigelb> more proof than blueprints need to be kicked out of Lp :/
[11:18] <vish> gah, i cant find jcastro's video for filing the blueprints :/
[11:20] <jussi> he made a video?
[11:20] <vish> hmm, i thought he did one for UDS-l or UDS-m ?
[11:21] <czajkowski> jussi: just the person
[11:36] <duanedesign> vish: i have seen that
[11:36] <duanedesign> vish: have you found it yet?
[11:36] <vish> duanedesign¦ nope.. :(
[11:37] <czajkowski> vish: check the log in locoteams
[11:37] <popey> http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3539348/
[11:37] <czajkowski> I think I remember him saying he did it on friday there
[11:37] <duanedesign> vish: kk, let me look where i think it might be...
[11:38] <vish> omnipresent popey, thx :)
[11:38] <popey> np
[11:38] <vish> duanedesign¦ popey found it..
[11:40] <vish> ha! i was searching for "How to schedule a *Blueprint*" !
[11:41] <duanedesign> vish: http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3539348/
[11:41] <duanedesign> ahhh, too slow :\
[11:41] <duanedesign> :P
[11:41] <vish> duanedesign¦ thx, yea, popey is too good :)
[11:42] <vish> he always surprises me , in several channels he wont be in the conversation, but just drops the url !
[11:43] <duanedesign> there is also- How to schedule an ad-hoc session. How to schedule a session (track leads)
[11:43] <vish> he is like 'the big brother' , constantly watching us! ;p
[11:46] <duanedesign> <.<  >.>
[12:50] <nigelb> Pendulum: morning :)
[12:55] <Pendulum> hi nigelb
[14:17] <akgraner> Hi y'all  - Happy Monday!! :-D
[14:53] <duanedesign> hello akgraner
[14:55] <akgraner> duanedesign, hey!
[15:00] <duanedesign> akgraner: the fact that uds is now only onw week away takes some of the sting out of the fact that its monday :)
[15:01] <akgraner> duanedesign, that it does... :-)  and I have 3 suitcases  - I am not sure that's going to go over to well when we start packing the vehicles
[15:03] <akgraner> drum kit or my shoes - I'm thinking I need to downsize
[15:03] <duanedesign> akgraner: i am trying to limit mine to the two carry ons/
[15:04] <duanedesign> not easy
[15:04] <akgraner> duanedesign, you should get one of those Scott-e-vests it's like wearing a suitcase and you still get to carry on 2
[15:05] <duanedesign> haha
[15:05] <akgraner> they are awesome..
[15:05] <duanedesign> thats a great idea
[15:05] <Pendulum> akgraner: do you need to pack the shoes in a bag? you're driving, so why not just fit them around the drum kit in the car ;-)
[15:06] <akgraner> you should see JFo's dang his probably weight 30 lbs by the time he fills all the pockets it's crazy  - in a good way  - not homicidal maniac way
[15:06] <Pendulum> I gave up thinking I was just going to limit to carryons, especially as my medical equipment amount has gone up
[15:07] <akgraner> I got gifts I am bringing that's what takes up most of the room they will be empty on the way back so I can put suitcases inside of suitcases
[15:10] <akgraner> jcastro, are all the plenary session filled?
[15:11] <jcastro> yes
[15:11] <akgraner> k
[15:11] <akgraner> thanks
[15:11]  * AlanBell idly wonders what "JFo's dang" is 
[15:12] <AlanBell> oh, parse error. I get it now.
[15:12] <JFo> heh
[15:12] <akgraner> AlanBell, I left out the comma :-)
[15:12] <akgraner> use the Amber filter :-)
[15:16] <AlanBell> the comma can be useful at times!
[15:18] <akgraner> hehe
[15:47] <dholbach> JFo, you rock!
[15:48] <JFo> dholbach, :) thank you
[16:18] <nigelb> jcastro: did ya see http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html ?
[16:18] <nigelb> It does a lot of quotes from the ask mark session :/
[16:18] <jcastro> nigelb: brad kuhn doesn't like canonical or ubuntu? What a shock
[16:18] <nigelb> heh
[16:18] <jcastro> *shrug*
[16:18] <nigelb> meh, he's critizing us for like what 10 projects/
[16:23] <highvoltage> ugh, I find Brad Kuhn horribly annoyint
[16:23] <highvoltage> *annoying
[16:23] <highvoltage> (and I'm sorry to say that about someone)
[16:23] <nigelb> highvoltage: Join the club :/
[16:24] <popey> !logs
[16:24] <ubot2> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[16:24] <Technoviking> He is what is wrong wrong wrong in open source
[16:24] <popey> He is a man with an opinion and a blog.
[16:24] <highvoltage> he *constantly* spams identica (and the groups I follow) with all kinds of negative, blown out of proportion junk
[16:24] <popey> There are a lot of them about.
[16:24] <highvoltage> opey: if only it was limited to his blog
[16:24] <nigelb> I find identi.ca lesser and lesser attractive.
[16:25] <nigelb> I now almost soley just use twitter
[16:25] <Technoviking> nigelb: me too
[16:25] <nigelb> Technoviking: I heard even sil got irritated at identi.ca
[16:28] <Pendulum> nigelb: that happened a while ago
[16:29] <nigelb> Pendulum: yeah, my vague memory is reading on popey's blog
[16:30] <nigelb> also, jcastro: http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/076/524/original/Haters.gif
[16:30] <jcastro> hah
[16:30] <jcastro> highvoltage: nigelb: here's how I handle people like this
[16:30] <jcastro> I have X amount of people who truly want to help ubuntu and open source
[16:30] <jcastro> I have Y amount of time
[16:31] <jcastro> every time we have to deal with Z people who care about neither X people don't get helped.
[16:31] <nigelb> jcastro: fair enough.
[16:32]  * nigelb posts it on his desk
[16:32] <doctormo> jcastro: You mean yX=X/(Y-yZ) or some such. unless X is supposed to be defined twice.
[16:33] <jcastro> whatever. :)
[16:33] <jcastro> remember brad kuhn quit using ubuntu with a nice 50 page essay
[16:33] <jcastro> so really, why should I waste my time reading whatever his problem is when we have piles of people who need help??
[16:34] <doctormo> Someone's job should be to distill that sort of thing anyway.
[16:47] <jcastro> hey Daviey
[16:47] <jcastro> before I go.
[16:47] <jcastro> what's the frequency of summit checking for blueprints
[16:47] <jcastro> in the past it was something like 10 minutes?
[16:47] <jcastro> to schedule them I mean
[17:00] <Technoviking> popey: know anyone on the Mactell team?
[17:01] <popey> nope
[17:01] <Daviey> hey jcastro
[17:01] <jcastro> hey Daviey
[17:01] <Daviey> jcastro: i've cron'd it for hourly
[17:02] <jcastro> <3
[17:02] <jcastro> Daviey: iirc during actual UDS they redo it for like 5 minutes
[17:02] <Technoviking> popey: trying to join cause I have patched some of the matel packages for MAverick.
[17:02] <Daviey> jcastro: lemme time how long a suck takes
[17:03] <jcastro> Daviey: at UDS msm will be sitting at the desk and will be scheduling for people
[17:03] <Daviey> jcastro: 5 mins sounds a little extreme IMO.. but you let me know how often, and i'll do it
[17:03] <jcastro> Daviey: yeah it doesn't bother me how long it is, as long as people can schedule stuff at UDS and it shows up
[17:04] <Daviey> jcastro: I think a blog post explaining that people really should register their interest via LP and the ical feed would be useful about now :)
[17:04] <jcastro> what do you mean?
[17:04] <jcastro> via lp?
[17:05] <Pendulum> Daviey: do you mean by subscribing to blueprints?
[17:05] <Daviey> Pendulum: ack
[17:06] <Daviey> jcastro: theory being, it's easier to schedule if people show that they are required, or would like to attend
[17:06] <Daviey> naturally, they don't *need* to register - but it means they are more likely going to be able to attend things they want to
[17:06] <Daviey> (or needed at)
[17:07] <Daviey> jcastro: OK, just timed a suck and it took 2m7.097s ... this will get longer as more specs appear.
[17:07] <jcastro> ah
[17:07] <Daviey> so 5 mins, could mean there is constantly one running... 15 mins might be better.
[17:07] <jcastro> Daviey: ok well, I've been making sure people who are only there for a few days have registered with lp.
[17:07] <jcastro> Daviey: I was thinking 30
[17:07] <jcastro> but whatever
[17:08] <Daviey> sounds good to me
[17:08] <Daviey> jcastro: On Monday, i'll switch it to 30 mins
[17:08] <Daviey> Technoviking: What does your mactel package do? :)
[17:09] <jcastro> Daviey: did you get my bug about the shuffling of tracks?
[17:10] <Daviey> jcastro: not yet read it
[17:11] <Daviey> jcastro: Hmm... yeah...  so, admins see a warning if they are back to back in the planner
[17:11] <Daviey> and new sessions won't be autoscheduled next to each other
[17:11] <Daviey> but because the tracks weren't set when the first scheduler run was made, the other day - it didn't realise there was a problem
[17:11] <jcastro> Daviey: ok so I should reshuffle existing ones then?
[17:12] <jcastro> ok, I can fix it
[17:12] <jcastro> it's trivial
[17:12] <Daviey> there is tool that needs some work to randomise the existing ones.. but not sure it's needed at this stage, is it?
[17:12] <jcastro> no, it's easy for me to fix them
[17:13] <Daviey> groovy
[17:13] <jcastro> as long as from now on they don't go back to back
[17:14] <Technoviking> Daviey: I have built a newer version of the pommed package that work with the newer (mid-2010) unibody Macbook Pro keyboard backlight
[17:14] <Daviey> Technoviking: nice!  /me has one :)
[17:15] <Technoviking> should be in my ppa in a few hours, https://edge.launchpad.net/~mike.basinger/+archive/ppa/+packages
[17:15] <Daviey> Technoviking: Is this 1.34?
[17:15] <dholbach> j
[17:15] <Technoviking> no 1.33
[17:15] <jcastro> Daviey: I get an "oh bugger" when I try to move one
[17:15] <jcastro> on tuesday
[17:15] <Daviey> Technoviking: hmm.. Natty currently has 1.34.. couldn't you backport that one?
[17:15] <Daviey> jcastro: hmm, which one?
[17:16] <jcastro> ok on tuesday
[17:16] <Technoviking> Daviey: let me try
[17:16] <highvoltage> jcastro: yep, generally what I do to :)
[17:16] <jcastro> I am trying to move every other brown one out of antigua 1
[17:16] <jcastro> Daviey: try to move GEIS out of a slot for example
[17:16] <Daviey> I just moved gestures in media players, and it worked :/
[17:17] <Daviey> jcastro: what day is that on?
[17:17] <Daviey> oh sorry
[17:17] <Daviey> tuesday :)
[17:18]  * dholbach calls it a day
[17:18] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day
[17:18] <dholbach> see you tomorrow! :)
[17:18]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:18] <Daviey> dholbach: o/
[17:18] <Daviey> jcastro: Ok... work around is to drag the colour, not the title
[17:18] <jcastro> ah ok
[17:18] <jcastro> good enough
[17:19] <duanedesign> jcastro: sent another couple 'interviews' from people who are brand new to the community. I probabally should of waited and compiled them all in one email.
[17:19] <jcastro> what does "error meeting not in that slot"
[17:19] <jcastro> duanedesign: I saw, thank you
[17:19] <duanedesign> okies great.
[17:20] <jcastro> Daviey: oh, it seems I was moving stuff around while it was rescheduling
[17:21] <Daviey> jcastro: ossibly
[17:21] <Daviey> p+
[17:21] <duanedesign> jcastro: if you need any additional help with that let me know
[17:21] <Daviey> jcastro: I moved 2 back to back ones on tuesday to check
[17:24] <Daviey> jcastro: One other thing, can you check in with the IRCC folks to make sure the bot runs ok.
[17:25] <Daviey> and room names etc.
[17:25] <jcastro> jussi: ^^
[17:25] <jussi> oh, yeah, room names, Ill get onto those soon
[17:34] <Technoviking> Daviey: 1.34 building, should work
[17:34] <Daviey> Technoviking: groovy
[17:34] <Daviey> Technoviking: looking forward to try it
[18:07]  * maco blinks
[18:07] <maco> the expense form for uds is in excel format
[18:08] <JFo> there's an expense form?
[18:08] <nigelb> xls?
[18:08]  * JFo was not aware
[18:09] <maco> nigelb: yes
[18:09] <AlanBell> maco: I commented on that last time
[18:09] <maco> JFo: i'm guessing canonifolk do things differently, maybe?
[18:10] <maco> im looking at the sponsored people email
[18:10] <czajkowski> yeah but OO can open .xls so whats the issue ?
[18:10] <nigelb> maco: I'm just glad it isn't xlsx :/
[18:10] <maco> czajkowski: just surprised theyd use xls when they know its all linux folks...we can use ods
[18:11] <czajkowski> possibly just easier for the person doing it tbh
[18:11] <czajkowski> it's not really a big deal imo
[18:11] <czajkowski> it'd be worse to send a .ods to a person who only uses windows :)
[18:12] <AlanBell> well OOo works perfectly cheerfully on Windows
[18:12] <czajkowski> only if you have it installed
[18:12] <czajkowski> :)
[18:14] <AlanBell> yup. I think when I expressed my surprise the response was along the lines of "meh"
[18:15] <AlanBell> and there are some people who get sponsorship and expenses who are not Ubuntu users apparently
[18:15] <AlanBell> like for example the person who did that odd plenary on dynamic text changes in wiki like datasets
[18:16] <nigelb> that french lady
[18:16] <vish> maco¦ last time someone from canonical mentioned they get the perdiem beforehand
[18:16] <vish> while the community claim expenses later..
[18:16] <AlanBell> nigelb: yeah. Never heard anything more about that, although I did have a crack at implementing it myself
[18:16] <nigelb> AlanBell: oh, you implemented it? Neat.
[18:17] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/hidetext.html
[18:17] <AlanBell> I implemented it during the session :)
[18:17] <AlanBell> got bored during the second half
[18:17] <doctormo> vish: As am employee at Canonical I claimed perdiem after, no different to the community.
[18:17] <dpm> yeah, we all get the perdiem after claiming it
[18:18] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh, but isn't slow enough?
[18:18] <AlanBell> there are some limitations on what can be done in HTML and jquery, spans become block elements during a hide transition
[18:18] <vish> doctormo¦ hmm, well, i was told that they dint claim but got the perdiem everyday..
[18:18] <nigelb> Enclose it in a div and do the transition then?
[18:18] <vish> no its was only info i was told..
[18:19] <vish> so*
[18:19] <AlanBell> well yes, but then it is a block, not inline
[18:19] <nigelb> meh
[18:19] <nigelb> but it would look smoother
[18:20] <maco> vish: maybe reference to the lack of receipt needed for per diem?
[18:20] <AlanBell> nigelb: well the point is to insert and remove some words from within a sentence
[18:21] <nigelb> AlanBell: I thought the point was to transition it slowly instead of just a diff
[18:21] <nigelb> (this shows how well I was listening to the session :p)
[18:22] <vish> maco¦ nah, not that .. it was the first day when we had gone for dinner, and we[community] were wondering about receipt but the employee mentioned he already got the perdiem :)
[18:22] <maco> but you dont need a receipt for dinner...
[18:23] <AlanBell> nigelb: have a play with it, you will see what I mean :) the toggle button at the bottom does what I wanted the top ones to do
[18:23]  * nigelb looks
[18:23] <vish> maco¦ yea, but that aint the point.. it was that he already received the perdiem for the day..
[18:47] <vish> huh! theme party! so i guess jono is batman???
[18:50]  * jussi is still trying to decide what to be...
[18:51] <nigelb> jussi groom :p
[18:51] <jussi> lol
[18:51] <nigelb> or dracula
[18:51] <jussi> no
[18:51] <nigelb> your wedding suit reminded me of dracula somehow
[18:51]  * nigelb runs
[18:51] <jussi> thanks....
[18:52] <jussi> quizbuntu bot sucks... :(
[18:52]  * nigelb will do it, soon
[19:07] <hggdh> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2010-October/231246.html
 those guys are out of control
[19:10] <nisshh> hggdh, heh, lucky im not subscribed to that list :|
[19:11] <nisshh> i would get so much cruft in my inbox it's not even funny
[19:12] <hggdh> nisshh: I am still, but seriously considering giving up. The amount of psuedo-wittiness, and plain simple rudeness is amazing, coming in froma small group
[19:13] <nisshh> hggdh, yeah, sometimes i find parts of the community that are a bit like that :|
[19:13] <vish> hmm, how does that work actually?
[19:13] <nisshh> vish, how does what work?
[19:14] <hggdh> vish: hoe does what work?
[19:14] <hggdh> heh
[19:14] <vish> i think it copies the "******" instead of converting it as "*******"
[19:14] <nisshh> all i see is asterisks :)
[19:15] <vish> nisshh¦ i was typing asterisks... :)
[19:15] <hggdh> of course it will not convert to asteriscs, there is no such thing. But the poster suggests it does, so one goes and type the real password in an email...
[19:15] <vish> heh! :)
[19:15] <nisshh> vish, oh.... :)
[19:16] <hggdh> this is, theoretically a list for Ubuntu users -- casual users, most of the time -- to get sound technical advice. Instead, we get petty discussions and plain malicious suggestions
[19:16] <nisshh> yeah
[19:16] <nisshh> i suspect it was better when it was first around, but it seems to have slowly gotten worse
[19:17] <vish> hggdh¦ but did he actually type his password?  i think he is either mistaken that it converts or tying to play a trick, later might be rarer ;)
[19:17] <vish> trying*
[19:19] <vish> hggdh¦ who is the moderator?
[19:19] <hggdh> vish: the not author is not a naïve user. I cannot see anything else but social engineering at work, disguised
[19:20] <hggdh> vish: I don't know. I am glad I am not -- right now I am so mad I would boot the author
[19:20] <vish> hehe!
[19:21]  * vish just imagines a member of the security seeing that ..! ;)
[19:21] <vish> the team would have a heart-attack ;p