[05:30] I now know that jcastro loves palentology. It didn't hit me even when he got that tattoo! [05:35] nigelb, was it "I <3 palentology"? :) [05:57] nisshh: He proposed a stack exchange for it [05:57] nigelb, ah ok [07:22] good morning all! [07:23] morning ara :) [07:24] Had a good weekend? :) [07:30] nigelb, yes, very good thanks, and you? [07:30] ara: interesting weekend with a lot of festivities. I've consumed a lot of sugar and good food :D [08:02] Good morning! [08:12] good morning everyone [08:18] good morning dholbach, dpm :) [08:18] hi nigelb, hey dpm [08:22] hey kim0 [08:22] morning kim0 [08:22] dholbach: howdy! [08:23] stupid cloud-init prevented my laptop from booting [08:23] takes 20 minutes to timeout :) [08:23] lol, and he's the cloud representative [08:23] hehe :) [08:23] o/ morning everyone [08:24] in other good news, I now own a server on rackspace cloud [08:24] your talk on UOW finally convinced me that I should get down to doing things :D [08:25] oh really! hehe [08:25] very cool [08:31] morning dholbach, nigelb, kim0 and everyone else [08:32] dpm: hey buddy [08:35] hey ;) === ara__ is now known as ara [10:09] dholbach¦ hi, who is incharge of sessions? like as in controlling the schedule? [10:09] vish, all the team leads (community, server, desktop, etc.) [10:09] vish, I think it should be enough to add a blueprint, propose it for uds-n and then make sure it gets on the system [10:09] Daviey and jcastro should be able to confirm [10:10] dholbach¦ hmm, i mean exact timings.. [10:10] day and hour.. [10:10] the team leads [10:10] they can rearrange [10:10] if necessary [10:10] dholbach¦ cool, thx [10:11] morning all [10:13] is it just me or does anyone else find this pic of dholbach too damn adorable! » http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/4841567839_8953f65f7a_b.jpg [10:13] ;) [10:14] that's ages ago [10:14] AGES :) [10:14] I was young [10:14] innocent [10:14] hehe! [10:15] dholbach: And those were the days you had a haircut regularly [10:15] * nigelb hides [10:15] nigelb, right you are :-P [10:16] drat, I wish I could let my hair grow [10:16] I'd probably be disinherited :-P [10:18] dholbach¦ the flickr avatar, who too that photo ? thats quite a good one too [10:18] took* [10:18] vish, who was it? [10:19] dholbach¦ your photo! ;p with you lying down eyes closed.. [10:19] your avatar in flickr [10:19] ah, now I know - that's on picasa, but yeah :) [10:19] thanks for the flowers :) [10:20] dholbach¦ oh, you took it yourself!!! o.0 [10:21] hmm, this is an old blueprint now its again for UDS-N : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-foundations-n-user-contributed-metadata-for-software-center , which track is this in? [10:22] vish, no, my girlfriend of the time took it [10:23] dholbach¦ *phew* , was wondering how you took that yourself! :) [10:25] Performance has no track lead displayed here : http://uds.ubuntu.com/tracks/ [10:28] vish: it has to be approved first [10:29] oh, right [10:29] who has to approve [10:29] ;) [10:29] arh, when I look at subscribers, I expect to see who subscribed them, like bugs [10:30] more proof than blueprints need to be kicked out of Lp :/ [11:18] gah, i cant find jcastro's video for filing the blueprints :/ [11:20] he made a video? [11:20] hmm, i thought he did one for UDS-l or UDS-m ? [11:21] jussi: just the person [11:36] vish: i have seen that [11:36] vish: have you found it yet? [11:36] duanedesign¦ nope.. :( [11:37] vish: check the log in locoteams [11:37] http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3539348/ [11:37] I think I remember him saying he did it on friday there [11:37] vish: kk, let me look where i think it might be... [11:38] omnipresent popey, thx :) [11:38] np [11:38] duanedesign¦ popey found it.. [11:40] ha! i was searching for "How to schedule a *Blueprint*" ! [11:41] vish: http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3539348/ [11:41] ahhh, too slow :\ [11:41] :P [11:41] duanedesign¦ thx, yea, popey is too good :) [11:42] he always surprises me , in several channels he wont be in the conversation, but just drops the url ! [11:43] there is also- How to schedule an ad-hoc session. How to schedule a session (track leads) [11:43] he is like 'the big brother' , constantly watching us! ;p [11:46] <.< >.> [12:50] Pendulum: morning :) [12:55] hi nigelb [14:17] Hi y'all - Happy Monday!! :-D [14:53] hello akgraner [14:55] duanedesign, hey! [15:00] akgraner: the fact that uds is now only onw week away takes some of the sting out of the fact that its monday :) [15:01] duanedesign, that it does... :-) and I have 3 suitcases - I am not sure that's going to go over to well when we start packing the vehicles [15:03] drum kit or my shoes - I'm thinking I need to downsize [15:03] akgraner: i am trying to limit mine to the two carry ons/ [15:04] not easy [15:04] duanedesign, you should get one of those Scott-e-vests it's like wearing a suitcase and you still get to carry on 2 [15:05] haha [15:05] they are awesome.. [15:05] thats a great idea [15:05] akgraner: do you need to pack the shoes in a bag? you're driving, so why not just fit them around the drum kit in the car ;-) [15:06] you should see JFo's dang his probably weight 30 lbs by the time he fills all the pockets it's crazy - in a good way - not homicidal maniac way [15:06] I gave up thinking I was just going to limit to carryons, especially as my medical equipment amount has gone up [15:07] I got gifts I am bringing that's what takes up most of the room they will be empty on the way back so I can put suitcases inside of suitcases [15:10] jcastro, are all the plenary session filled? [15:11] yes [15:11] k [15:11] thanks [15:11] * AlanBell idly wonders what "JFo's dang" is [15:12] oh, parse error. I get it now. [15:12] heh [15:12] AlanBell, I left out the comma :-) [15:12] use the Amber filter :-) [15:16] the comma can be useful at times! [15:18] hehe [15:47] JFo, you rock! [15:48] dholbach, :) thank you [16:18] jcastro: did ya see http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html ? [16:18] It does a lot of quotes from the ask mark session :/ [16:18] nigelb: brad kuhn doesn't like canonical or ubuntu? What a shock [16:18] heh [16:18] *shrug* [16:18] meh, he's critizing us for like what 10 projects/ [16:23] ugh, I find Brad Kuhn horribly annoyint [16:23] *annoying [16:23] (and I'm sorry to say that about someone) [16:23] highvoltage: Join the club :/ [16:24] !logs [16:24] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [16:24] He is what is wrong wrong wrong in open source [16:24] He is a man with an opinion and a blog. [16:24] he *constantly* spams identica (and the groups I follow) with all kinds of negative, blown out of proportion junk [16:24] There are a lot of them about. [16:24] opey: if only it was limited to his blog [16:24] I find identi.ca lesser and lesser attractive. [16:25] I now almost soley just use twitter [16:25] nigelb: me too [16:25] Technoviking: I heard even sil got irritated at identi.ca [16:28] nigelb: that happened a while ago [16:29] Pendulum: yeah, my vague memory is reading on popey's blog [16:30] also, jcastro: http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/076/524/original/Haters.gif [16:30] hah [16:30] highvoltage: nigelb: here's how I handle people like this [16:30] I have X amount of people who truly want to help ubuntu and open source [16:30] I have Y amount of time [16:31] every time we have to deal with Z people who care about neither X people don't get helped. [16:31] jcastro: fair enough. [16:32] * nigelb posts it on his desk [16:32] jcastro: You mean yX=X/(Y-yZ) or some such. unless X is supposed to be defined twice. [16:33] whatever. :) [16:33] remember brad kuhn quit using ubuntu with a nice 50 page essay [16:33] so really, why should I waste my time reading whatever his problem is when we have piles of people who need help?? [16:34] Someone's job should be to distill that sort of thing anyway. [16:47] hey Daviey [16:47] before I go. [16:47] what's the frequency of summit checking for blueprints [16:47] in the past it was something like 10 minutes? [16:47] to schedule them I mean [17:00] popey: know anyone on the Mactell team? [17:01] nope [17:01] hey jcastro [17:01] hey Daviey [17:01] jcastro: i've cron'd it for hourly [17:02] <3 [17:02] Daviey: iirc during actual UDS they redo it for like 5 minutes [17:02] popey: trying to join cause I have patched some of the matel packages for MAverick. [17:02] jcastro: lemme time how long a suck takes [17:03] Daviey: at UDS msm will be sitting at the desk and will be scheduling for people [17:03] jcastro: 5 mins sounds a little extreme IMO.. but you let me know how often, and i'll do it [17:03] Daviey: yeah it doesn't bother me how long it is, as long as people can schedule stuff at UDS and it shows up [17:04] jcastro: I think a blog post explaining that people really should register their interest via LP and the ical feed would be useful about now :) [17:04] what do you mean? [17:04] via lp? [17:05] Daviey: do you mean by subscribing to blueprints? [17:05] Pendulum: ack [17:06] jcastro: theory being, it's easier to schedule if people show that they are required, or would like to attend [17:06] naturally, they don't *need* to register - but it means they are more likely going to be able to attend things they want to [17:06] (or needed at) [17:07] jcastro: OK, just timed a suck and it took 2m7.097s ... this will get longer as more specs appear. [17:07] ah [17:07] so 5 mins, could mean there is constantly one running... 15 mins might be better. [17:07] Daviey: ok well, I've been making sure people who are only there for a few days have registered with lp. [17:07] Daviey: I was thinking 30 [17:07] but whatever [17:08] sounds good to me [17:08] jcastro: On Monday, i'll switch it to 30 mins [17:08] Technoviking: What does your mactel package do? :) [17:09] Daviey: did you get my bug about the shuffling of tracks? [17:10] jcastro: not yet read it [17:11] jcastro: Hmm... yeah... so, admins see a warning if they are back to back in the planner [17:11] and new sessions won't be autoscheduled next to each other [17:11] but because the tracks weren't set when the first scheduler run was made, the other day - it didn't realise there was a problem [17:11] Daviey: ok so I should reshuffle existing ones then? [17:12] ok, I can fix it [17:12] it's trivial [17:12] there is tool that needs some work to randomise the existing ones.. but not sure it's needed at this stage, is it? [17:12] no, it's easy for me to fix them [17:13] groovy [17:13] as long as from now on they don't go back to back [17:14] Daviey: I have built a newer version of the pommed package that work with the newer (mid-2010) unibody Macbook Pro keyboard backlight [17:14] Technoviking: nice! /me has one :) [17:15] should be in my ppa in a few hours, https://edge.launchpad.net/~mike.basinger/+archive/ppa/+packages [17:15] Technoviking: Is this 1.34? [17:15] j [17:15] no 1.33 [17:15] Daviey: I get an "oh bugger" when I try to move one [17:15] on tuesday [17:15] Technoviking: hmm.. Natty currently has 1.34.. couldn't you backport that one? [17:15] jcastro: hmm, which one? [17:16] ok on tuesday [17:16] Daviey: let me try [17:16] jcastro: yep, generally what I do to :) [17:16] I am trying to move every other brown one out of antigua 1 [17:16] Daviey: try to move GEIS out of a slot for example [17:16] I just moved gestures in media players, and it worked :/ [17:17] jcastro: what day is that on? [17:17] oh sorry [17:17] tuesday :) [17:18] * dholbach calls it a day [17:18] have a great rest of your day [17:18] see you tomorrow! :) [17:18] * dholbach hugs you all [17:18] dholbach: o/ [17:18] jcastro: Ok... work around is to drag the colour, not the title [17:18] ah ok [17:18] good enough [17:19] jcastro: sent another couple 'interviews' from people who are brand new to the community. I probabally should of waited and compiled them all in one email. [17:19] what does "error meeting not in that slot" [17:19] duanedesign: I saw, thank you [17:19] okies great. [17:20] Daviey: oh, it seems I was moving stuff around while it was rescheduling [17:21] jcastro: ossibly [17:21] p+ [17:21] jcastro: if you need any additional help with that let me know [17:21] jcastro: I moved 2 back to back ones on tuesday to check [17:24] jcastro: One other thing, can you check in with the IRCC folks to make sure the bot runs ok. [17:25] and room names etc. [17:25] jussi: ^^ [17:25] oh, yeah, room names, Ill get onto those soon [17:34] Daviey: 1.34 building, should work [17:34] Technoviking: groovy [17:34] Technoviking: looking forward to try it [18:07] * maco blinks [18:07] the expense form for uds is in excel format [18:08] there's an expense form? [18:08] xls? [18:08] * JFo was not aware [18:09] nigelb: yes [18:09] maco: I commented on that last time [18:09] JFo: i'm guessing canonifolk do things differently, maybe? [18:10] im looking at the sponsored people email [18:10] yeah but OO can open .xls so whats the issue ? [18:10] maco: I'm just glad it isn't xlsx :/ [18:10] czajkowski: just surprised theyd use xls when they know its all linux folks...we can use ods [18:11] possibly just easier for the person doing it tbh [18:11] it's not really a big deal imo [18:11] it'd be worse to send a .ods to a person who only uses windows :) [18:12] well OOo works perfectly cheerfully on Windows [18:12] only if you have it installed [18:12] :) [18:14] yup. I think when I expressed my surprise the response was along the lines of "meh" [18:15] and there are some people who get sponsorship and expenses who are not Ubuntu users apparently [18:15] like for example the person who did that odd plenary on dynamic text changes in wiki like datasets [18:16] that french lady [18:16] maco¦ last time someone from canonical mentioned they get the perdiem beforehand [18:16] while the community claim expenses later.. [18:16] nigelb: yeah. Never heard anything more about that, although I did have a crack at implementing it myself [18:16] AlanBell: oh, you implemented it? Neat. [18:17] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/hidetext.html [18:17] I implemented it during the session :) [18:17] got bored during the second half [18:17] vish: As am employee at Canonical I claimed perdiem after, no different to the community. [18:17] yeah, we all get the perdiem after claiming it [18:18] AlanBell: heh, but isn't slow enough? [18:18] there are some limitations on what can be done in HTML and jquery, spans become block elements during a hide transition [18:18] doctormo¦ hmm, well, i was told that they dint claim but got the perdiem everyday.. [18:18] Enclose it in a div and do the transition then? [18:18] no its was only info i was told.. [18:19] so* [18:19] well yes, but then it is a block, not inline [18:19] meh [18:19] but it would look smoother [18:20] vish: maybe reference to the lack of receipt needed for per diem? [18:20] nigelb: well the point is to insert and remove some words from within a sentence [18:21] AlanBell: I thought the point was to transition it slowly instead of just a diff [18:21] (this shows how well I was listening to the session :p) [18:22] maco¦ nah, not that .. it was the first day when we had gone for dinner, and we[community] were wondering about receipt but the employee mentioned he already got the perdiem :) [18:22] but you dont need a receipt for dinner... [18:23] nigelb: have a play with it, you will see what I mean :) the toggle button at the bottom does what I wanted the top ones to do [18:23] * nigelb looks [18:23] maco¦ yea, but that aint the point.. it was that he already received the perdiem for the day.. [18:47] huh! theme party! so i guess jono is batman??? [18:50] * jussi is still trying to decide what to be... [18:51] jussi groom :p [18:51] lol [18:51] or dracula [18:51] no [18:51] your wedding suit reminded me of dracula somehow [18:51] * nigelb runs [18:51] thanks.... [18:52] quizbuntu bot sucks... :( [18:52] * nigelb will do it, soon [19:07] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2010-October/231246.html [19:08] those guys are out of control [19:10] hggdh, heh, lucky im not subscribed to that list :| [19:11] i would get so much cruft in my inbox it's not even funny [19:12] nisshh: I am still, but seriously considering giving up. The amount of psuedo-wittiness, and plain simple rudeness is amazing, coming in froma small group [19:13] hggdh, yeah, sometimes i find parts of the community that are a bit like that :| [19:13] hmm, how does that work actually? [19:13] vish, how does what work? [19:14] vish: hoe does what work? [19:14] heh [19:14] i think it copies the "******" instead of converting it as "*******" [19:14] all i see is asterisks :) [19:15] nisshh¦ i was typing asterisks... :) [19:15] of course it will not convert to asteriscs, there is no such thing. But the poster suggests it does, so one goes and type the real password in an email... [19:15] heh! :) [19:15] vish, oh.... :) [19:16] this is, theoretically a list for Ubuntu users -- casual users, most of the time -- to get sound technical advice. Instead, we get petty discussions and plain malicious suggestions [19:16] yeah [19:16] i suspect it was better when it was first around, but it seems to have slowly gotten worse [19:17] hggdh¦ but did he actually type his password? i think he is either mistaken that it converts or tying to play a trick, later might be rarer ;) [19:17] trying* [19:19] hggdh¦ who is the moderator? [19:19] vish: the not author is not a naïve user. I cannot see anything else but social engineering at work, disguised [19:20] vish: I don't know. I am glad I am not -- right now I am so mad I would boot the author [19:20] hehe! [19:21] * vish just imagines a member of the security seeing that ..! ;) [19:21] the team would have a heart-attack ;p