[02:32] <Tenyuu> how can I enable channel 14 on my wireless card?
[02:36] <TheMuso> Tenyuu: From my understanding, if you can't use a particular channel, that is a restriction put in place by the hardware vendors, usually due to you not being allowed to use channel 14 in your region./
[02:38] <Tenyuu> is there a way to remove the restriction?
[02:38] <TheMuso> Not that I know of, and probably not legally.
[02:39] <Tenyuu> but I plan on going to japan for an extended peroid of time and want to be sure to get all the wireless, so how could that be illegal when japan uses channel 14?
[02:40] <TheMuso> I don't know what the situation is re using hardware in a differnt location that allow/disallow different channels, and I don't know how one addresses that on a technical level to use those channels either. There may be a way to change the region, but that depends on the chip used.
[02:41] <RAOF> I *think* the kernel wireless stack should actually detect you're in Japan and enable the appropriate channels.
[02:41] <RAOF> It's the “wl” regulatory daemon, from memory; it likes to announce itself in dmesg.
[02:42] <Tenyuu> what does that mean?
[02:44] <RAOF> Well, the short version is that I *think* it will Just Work, and you don't need to do anything.
[02:45] <Tenyuu> ok I just wanted to be sure I could get internet when I go to Japan
[02:45] <RAOF> The long version is: “If you want to check, the bit of the kernel that enforces those restrictions is probably the ‘wl regulatory daemon’, and look in dmesg for googleable phrases”.
[02:45] <RAOF> (Or wait around here for someone who has more knowledge than “yeah, I think it's this bit” :))
[03:01] <Tenyuu> can I tell my computer that I am in region 2?
[03:01] <Tenyuu> if so how?
[03:05]  * RAOF doesn't know.
[03:07] <Tenyuu> a time zone change could indicate region change, right? so if i changed to tokyo time zone would that change my computer to region 2?
[03:07] <Tenyuu> or am I overthinking
[03:20] <TheMuso> I don't think the kernel can check back into userspace like that to find out the timezone...
[03:20] <TheMuso> But I could be wrong.
[03:24] <Tenyuu> i ment that if I manually changed the time zone to tokyo would it then assume that i was in region 2? (i know that if i did that when not in that time zone then the system time would be incorrect)
[06:53] <pitti> Good morning
[06:56] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[07:08] <pitti> hey TheMuso, had a nice weekend?
[07:11] <RAOF> Hey pitti
[07:13] <TheMuso> Yes thanks.
[07:13] <TheMuso> Yourself?
[07:15] <pitti> we did a major round of house cleaning on Saturday; yesterday was more relaxing, had a nice long hike and visited my family again
[07:15] <pitti> hey RAOF
[07:15] <RAOF> Nice.
[07:16] <TheMuso> Nice indeed.
[07:16] <RAOF> We have my in-laws down, and had our first aniversary yesterday.
[07:16] <RAOF> There was nice seafood involved.
[07:17]  * pitti challenges the combination of "nice" and "seafood"
[07:17] <pitti> but otherwise, congrats!
[07:32]  * RAOF thinks pitti should live closer to the sea, for better seafood :P
[08:04] <didrocks> good morning
[09:04] <pitti> didrocks: bonjour! how's the sprint going?
[09:05] <didrocks> oh, I've been disconnected and reconnected apparently… I'm sure evo is guilty :)
[09:05] <didrocks> hey pitti, the sprint is going well as I'm still at home (it starts on wednesday) :)
[09:05] <didrocks> I'll travel tomorrow
[09:06] <pitti> ah, I was going to complain about you being up already :)
[09:06] <didrocks> pitti: and you, how was your week-end?
[09:06] <didrocks> pitti: heh, nice try :-)
[09:06] <pitti> didrocks: quite nice; managed to get a major round of housecleaning done, and we went for a nice stroll (we had marvellous autumn weather)
[09:07] <didrocks> lucky you, the weather in the Alps is really awful for a wekk now :/
[09:07] <didrocks> week*
[10:23] <vish> mvo¦ hi, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-foundations-n-user-contributed-metadata-for-software-center  is this again Up for discussion in UDS-N or … ?
[10:29] <mvo> vish: honestly, I think there is little value to discuss that unless we get buy-in from someone that actually implements it
[10:31] <vish> mvo¦ yea,i just noticed it was proposed for UDS-N so not very sure of when the session was, Stefano Zacchiroli from debian would like to attend the session, so that we could discuss with getting the descriptions fixed in debian itself..
[10:31] <vish> he is only at the UDS from mon-wed
[10:32] <Laney> "A package maintainer should be able to merge a suggestion into the package by clicking a button"
[10:32] <Laney> I don't see how that would work
[10:33]  * vish wonders if Laney has 'debian' as a highlight ;)
[10:33] <mvo> vish: that works for me, we can talk about it with him
[10:34] <vish> mvo¦ neat, so who should i talk to to have the session scheduled only within mon-wed ?
[10:34] <Laney> vish: I do try to keep up ;-)
[10:35] <Laney> but really this would be better implemented as a joint debian/ubuntu initiative imo
[10:35] <Laney> to actually fix the package descriptions
[10:35] <Laney> see if policy is clear enough on what they should be, et cetera
[10:35] <vish> yea..
[10:36] <mvo> vish: I think jcastro is the man
[10:36] <vish> mvo¦ thx , will ask jcastro :)
[10:40] <mvo> thanks!
[13:05] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:06] <pedro_> morning cyphermox
[13:07] <cyphermox> hey pedro_ :)
[14:20] <nessita> hello everyone. Could someone sponsor this natty upload? https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.1.1/+merge/38716
[14:32] <cassidy> seb128, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/652944/comments/7
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652944 in telepathy-haze (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "All my ICQ contacts have a webcam icon next to them in Empathy (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 32)" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:34] <seb128> cassidy, thanks!
[14:34] <seb128> so you managed to get the bug as well? you didn't have it the other day
[14:35] <cassidy> yep, it wasn't a very hard one :)
[14:38] <kenvandine> hey cassidy
[14:38] <kenvandine> are you guys going to be at UDS?
[14:38] <cassidy> I don't think so
[14:38] <kenvandine> bummer
[14:39] <kenvandine> well we'll miss you
[14:39] <cassidy> it was much easier last time, I just had to take a train :)
[14:39] <kenvandine> yeah, long haul
[14:39] <kenvandine> although now it is easy for me :)
[14:39] <kenvandine> 1h flight... although remarkably expensive for such a short flight, i blame disney
[14:40] <cassidy> hehe :)
[14:55] <dobey> pitti: ping
[14:56] <dobey> kenvandine: your flight was expensive?
[14:56] <kenvandine> not terrible... like 250
[14:56] <kenvandine> but way more than going to most places on the east coast
[14:58] <dobey> kenvandine: you have to go through ATL?
[14:58] <kenvandine> i think it is direct
[14:59] <kenvandine> it was the cheapest fair the travel folks found
[14:59] <dobey> airtran?
[14:59] <dobey> or delta?
[15:00] <kenvandine> SW
[15:00] <dobey> oh
[15:01] <kenvandine> i am glad to have a direct flight though, just surprisingly expensive for a 1.5h SW flight
[15:01] <dobey> i'm just annoyed that airtran seemingly won't let me pick any seats yet. even the seats all the way in the back, it wants to charge me like $6 for each flight, to change seats. and it shows all the business class seats as taken
[15:01] <kenvandine> that is what it usually costs us to go to oakland on SW :)
[15:01] <kenvandine> ugh
[15:01] <dobey> which sucks, because i have points/vouchers to use for upgrades
[15:01] <kenvandine> well SW is a cattle drive :)
[15:01] <dobey> yeah
[15:01]  * kenvandine hates that
[15:02] <pitti> hey dobey
[15:02] <dobey> kenvandine: just keep hitting refresh on the check-in site until you can, and camp out at the gate :)
[15:02] <dobey> pitti: hey. wasn't there a policy document somewhere for using xdg autostart on ubuntu?
[15:03] <pitti> dobey: hm, not that I'm aware of
[15:03] <pitti> it shouldn't differ from what upstream uses?
[15:03] <dobey> pitti: upstream doesn't have boot time metrics to meet
[15:04] <pitti> dobey: oh, you don't mean "how", but "if/how many"?
[15:04] <dobey> pitti: is there a policy for long-running processes?
[15:04] <pitti> "as few as possible"
[15:05] <dobey> pitti: i mean, i recall seeing something that stated "long-running things should be written in X or Y langs, etc etc" sort of stuff
[15:05] <pitti> it's hard to codify conditions under which we'd introduce one, I think; it's pretty  much a case by case decision/review
[15:05] <pitti> dobey: like the U1 sync daemon *cough*
[15:05] <dobey> pitti: maybe i can't find it because i'm looking for autostart
[15:05] <pitti> but I don't think there's such a policy either
[15:06] <seb128> dobey, they is no policy, it's just common sense
[15:06] <seb128> dobey, or what people there will recommend you to do
[15:06] <dobey> ok
[15:07] <dobey> is there a wiki page or anything with such suggestions?
[15:07] <seb128> defer io or cpu use, don't do those on session start if it's not required
[15:07] <seb128> no
[15:07] <dobey> hmm
[15:07] <dobey> wonder where i saw it then
[15:07] <pitti> hey seb128, how's Florida?
[15:07] <seb128> well you are around linux for enough time to know what languages will have an init or mem use cost
[15:07] <seb128> pitti, hey, dunno, ask me when I will be there
[15:08] <seb128> ;-)
[15:08] <seb128> pitti, I'm travelling tomorrow
[15:08] <pitti> ah, you're also flying tomorrow?
[15:08] <pitti> gotcha
[15:09] <didrocks> seb128: you are talking your flight out of France, right?
[15:11] <seb128> talking my flight out of france?
[15:11] <seb128> I'm talking about traveling to the sprint yes
[15:11] <didrocks> taking*
[15:11] <didrocks> :)
[15:11] <seb128> yes, I'm flying to the u.s
[15:11] <seb128> (I'm not sure I get the question)
[15:12] <didrocks> telling that differently: from which airport do you have your flight?
[15:12] <seb128> oh
[15:12] <seb128> I'm flying from frankfurt
[15:13] <seb128> I avoid countries where there is a strike every time we travel ;-)
[15:13] <didrocks> ok, then you don't have to be stressed by eventual strikes like here (50% of flight might be canceled)
[15:13] <didrocks> hehe, that was the point :-)
[15:13] <seb128> yeah
[15:13] <seb128> going to paris would not be an easier
[15:13] <seb128> and I got used to travel with the germans
[15:14] <seb128> I guess now I could travel with you guys as well
[15:14] <didrocks> you don't want to join the French flight, I see that (dbarth, agateau and I) :)
[15:14] <pitti> company policy - don't put everyone onto the same flight :-P
[15:15] <seb128> didrocks, I flight with distro, not dx ;-)
[15:15] <seb128> though this I tend to be earlier than everybody nowadays with sprints
[15:15] <didrocks> argh :-) Those dx guys have bad influence on me :)
[15:15] <seb128> I will be with mvo etc on the way back though
[15:16] <seb128> not pitti I think because of plumber
[15:16] <pitti> right, I'll fly on to Boston on Sat
[15:17] <seb128> is anybody else going to plumbers with you?
[15:18] <pitti> a few kernel guys
[15:23] <seb128> pitti, ok
[15:25] <nessita> sponsor wanted! ussoc natty first release: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.1.1/+merge/38716
[15:25] <seb128> nessita, hey, I can do that
[15:32] <nessita> seb128: awesome!
[15:36] <mvo> seb128: \o/
[15:36] <seb128> mvo, hey ;-)
[15:37] <mvo> seb128: just a \o/ for being on the same flight :)
[15:37] <mvo> (at least one way
[15:37] <mvo> )
[15:37] <seb128> ;-)
[15:38] <seb128> didrocks, did you notice the evo merge request for 2.32 you received btw?
[15:39] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but it's not finished yet (no merge back from the latest changes in the 2.30 branch), tremolux will fix that and update the rest of the stack as well: evo-mapi/evo-exchange
[15:39] <didrocks> sorry, not tremolux, cyphermox :)
[15:39] <didrocks> (hey tremolux, cyphermox btw ;))
[15:39] <seb128> ok
[15:39] <tremolux> heya didrocks  :D
[15:40] <seb128> I was not sure if you were watching evolution on launchpad or would see those out of a bugemails noisy boxc
[15:40] <seb128> box
[15:40] <cyphermox> hey didrocks
[15:40] <didrocks> seb128: my filters seem to be not so bad in fact :)
[15:41] <pitti> hey cyphermox, good morning
[15:41] <seb128> hey cyphermox
[15:41] <seb128> didrocks, great ;-)
[15:41] <cyphermox> pitti, hey
[15:42] <glatzor> hello mvo
[15:42] <glatzor> servus seb128 and pitti
[15:42] <seb128> hey glatzor
[15:42] <pitti> hallo glatzor, wie gehts?
[15:43] <cyphermox> didrocks, just finishing up testing builds, I'll let you know soon
[15:43] <didrocks> cyphermox: great, even -mapi/-exchange?
[15:43] <mvo> hey glatzor!
[15:43] <cyphermox> couldn't find the -mapi branch though?
[15:44] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah, it's in universe, I just do the traditional workflow
[15:44] <cyphermox> fair enough
[15:45] <didrocks> thanks cyphermox :)
[15:45] <didrocks> cyphermox: tomorrow I'll be traveling, so expect me to look at the merge on Wednesday
[15:47] <cyphermox> well, I expect to be done today
[15:47] <cyphermox> didrocks, so things will depend on how I split my time between this and synaptics, and then timezones ;)
[15:47] <didrocks> (depends on when today, I still have to pack and getting up at 4 tomorrow, so won't be there for long :))
[15:49] <glatzor> pitti, fine, and yourself?
[15:49] <pitti> glatzor: I'm great, thanks!
[16:51] <rickspencer3> hello all
[16:51] <rickspencer3> please welcome jasoncwarner ... today is his first day, Engineering Manager, Destkop!!!!
[16:51] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner, this channel will soon become your "home base"!
[16:52] <seb128> jasoncwarner, hey, welcome on board!
[16:52] <jasoncwarner> Hi everyone!
[16:53]  * pitti waves a big hello to jasoncwarner
[16:53] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner, you have a team meeting tomorrow!
[16:53] <didrocks> welcome jasoncwarner :)
[16:53] <tremolux> heyy jasoncwarner, welcome!
[16:53] <rickspencer3> right here at 10:30am your time (I think)
[16:53] <didrocks> and some folks will be in a plane during the team meeting :)
[16:54] <rickspencer3> didrocks, so I'll see you tomorrow!
[16:54] <rickspencer3> sweet
[16:54] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah! :-)
[16:54] <pitti> nessita: hm, how did you manage to break dch to add a new [ commiter ] line for each change? :-)
[16:54] <rickspencer3> didrocks, though I don't get in until quite late (10pm there)
[16:54] <nessita> pitti: break?
[16:54] <pitti> usually you have
[16:54] <didrocks> rickspencer3: waow, quite late indeed…
[16:54] <pitti> [ Joe ]
[16:55] <pitti> * fix foo
[16:55] <pitti> * fix bar
[16:55] <pitti> [ Jack ]
[16:55] <pitti> * fix baz
[16:55] <nessita> pitti: right
[16:55] <nessita> pitti: and that breaks something?
[16:55] <pitti> but not one [ Joe ] for each fix that Joe does
[16:55] <pitti> nessita: not breaks, just makes it harder to read
[16:55] <pitti> oh, and of course it's wasting CD bytes!!!11!
[16:55] <nessita> pitti: ah... I will write it differently then, next time
[16:56] <pitti> nessita: are you doing that manually? dch formats these quite nicely usually
[16:56] <pitti> ah, could be that option in my ~/.devscripts:
[16:56] <pitti> DEBCHANGE_MULTIMAINT_MERGE=yes
[16:56] <nessita> pitti: I'm doing manually, yes. Where dch takes the info from? because when I use dch it adds nothing other than "New upstream release"
[16:57] <seb128> rickspencer3, we were speaking about not having a meeting tomorrow but since jasoncwarner starts it might be nice to have one
[16:57] <pitti> nessita: $DEBEMAIL, I figure
[16:57] <seb128> rickspencer3, didrocks and I will be travelling
[16:57] <seb128> jasoncwarner, ^
[16:57] <nessita> pitti: I mean, where the changes info is taken from? because dch is not adding any change info
[16:57] <rickspencer3> maybe we should skip the team meeting?
[16:57] <rickspencer3> looks like jasoncwarner may be traveling
[16:57] <seb128> jasoncwarner, sorry we just cross today, I will call it a day in one hour, I still have to pack and I'm travelling tomorrow
[16:58] <pitti> nessita: no, of course not; it'll spawn an editor where you document the change; but it should add the [ committer ], the "*", update date stamp, and everything around it
[16:58] <seb128> I will be at the sprint starting wednesday morning though
[16:58] <didrocks> hum, packing, nice idea! just 9 hours before leaving :)
[16:58] <pitti> nessita: not a big deal, I just wondered
[16:58]  * pitti -> dinner
[16:58] <nessita> pitti: do you have a link to point me to?
[16:58] <nessita> pitti: I'd love to improve my changelog writting
[16:59] <pitti> nessita: man dch isn't bad, and also points out all the options
[16:59] <nessita> pitti: right, I'll check that. Thanks!
[17:00] <pitti> nessita: usually they look like https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/2.4.2
[17:00] <nessita> pitti: I will adopt this, thanks
[17:00] <pitti> nessita: no worries :)
[17:00] <pitti> dch is great
[17:00] <nessita> I use it, it never complained :-)
[17:28] <jasoncwarner> seb128: sure thing. I'm at UDS as well so no worries as long as we can talk then!
[17:57] <pitti> jasoncwarner: did you figure out mumble yet, BTW?
[17:57] <didrocks> time to pack there. See you tomorrow (at whatever timezone :))
[17:57] <pitti> didrocks: have a safe trip!
[17:58] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[17:58] <pitti> didrocks: and have fun doing your pushups in the plane :)
[17:58] <didrocks> pitti: ony 150 remaining!!! I don't know if I would dare doing them in the plane or even at the airport :)
[17:58] <pitti> wow
[17:58] <pitti> I'm at 1680 now, so still a bit to go
[17:58] <pitti> but my goal is to get 2000 by Fri evening
[17:59] <didrocks> that should be more than doable :)
[17:59] <pitti> absolutely, at my usual ~100/per day
[18:00] <didrocks> right! bye bye! :)
[18:00]  * pitti waves au revoir
[18:05] <pitti> who would be a good person to ask a GTK theme question?
[18:05] <pitti> s/ask/answer/
[18:06] <seb128> rickspencer3, pitti: can you guys handle the meeting or no meeting tomorrow?
[18:06] <pitti> I thought half the team was at the sprint anyway?
[18:06] <rickspencer3> seb128, I can't, I'll be on the way to the airport
[18:06] <pitti> I can moderate it, if there's something to talk about
[18:07]  * pitti is still quite disconnected; however, last week @ oem :)
[18:07] <seb128> pitti, I was planning to cancel it but since jasoncwarner started today I'm not sure now
[18:07] <seb128> pitti, well, out of welcoming jasoncwarner I don't think there is
[18:07] <seb128> just remaining people that they should have their specs registered
[18:07] <pitti> TBH I'd rather set aside some time next week for an IRL meeting
[18:07] <seb128> but I can do that in the no meeting email
[18:07] <pitti> seb128: sounds fine to me
[18:08] <seb128> works for me
[18:09] <rickspencer3> seb128, but jasoncwarner might be in the air too
[18:09] <rickspencer3> he's not sure what his travel schedule is going to be
[18:09] <seb128> ok, let's just have no meeting
[18:09] <seb128> we will catch up during sprint and uds
[18:09] <seb128> I will send a note saying that
[18:09] <seb128> ok?
[18:10] <devildante> so when will be the uds meeting?
[18:10] <seb128> I need to run, I will be on IRC still a bit later for an hour or so
[18:10]  * devildante wants to join
[18:10] <pitti> seb128: +1
[18:11] <pitti> seb128: safe travels for you tomorrow, too!
[18:11] <seb128> pitti, thanks!
[18:12] <dobey> hrmm. it seems like using #include <gtk/gtk.h> means that it is impossible to use -Wall -Werror :(
[18:13] <dobey> pitti: what sort of gtk+ theme question?
[18:14] <pitti> dobey: if you use a theme which uses a bg_pixmap to do a gradient in the panel, like
[18:14] <pitti> style "theme-panel"
[18:14] <pitti> {
[18:14] <pitti>         bg_pixmap[NORMAL]       = "/Panels/panel-bg-dark.png"
[18:14] <pitti> then you can't have a vertical panel, since the bg pixmap won't be rotated along
[18:14] <dobey> right
[18:14] <pitti> so I wondered if (1) it could be rotated on demand somehow
[18:14] <dobey> if you're going to use bg_pixmap, it must be a tileable image
[18:14] <pitti> (like the panel would reconfigure its theme and rotate the pixmap)
[18:15] <pitti> or (2) it could be done using murrine's gradient_shades option, which I can't find documentation for
[18:15] <dobey> also, bg_pixmap is evil, and nobody should ever use it
[18:15] <pitti> dobey: ok, so it's better to use the theme engine for that?
[18:16] <pitti> I'm looking at/using shiki-colors-murrine, which uses bg_pixmap by default
[18:16] <dobey> pitti: i think the panel sets different names for the panel orientations or something, so you can specify different theme bits for the vertical panels
[18:16] <dobey> eww. yeah you should ust the theme engine for that
[18:17] <dobey> or use the pixbuf engine and pixbufs
[18:17] <pitti> dobey: ah, so I could define a "theme-panel-vertical" and assign that to something like
[18:17] <dobey> but bg_pixmap is ancient gtk+ hackery
[18:17] <pitti> widget <put something verticalish here> "*PanelWidget*"          style "theme-panel-vertical"
[18:18] <dobey> pitti: yeah, something like that, i don't know what the match line would be exactly, but you can probably poke the panel with accerciser or something to get more info
[18:18] <pitti> dobey: ok, thanks; so I'll play around with murrine's gradient_shades/gradient_colors options and see what they do, and above trick would be my last resort
[18:18] <pitti> dobey: thanks muchly
[18:18] <dobey> pitti: sure. if you want more info with murrine specifically, find Cimi and ask him :)
[18:18] <pitti> ah, thanks
[18:19] <pitti> /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-2.0/apps/gnome-panel.rc:bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = "img/panel.png"
[18:19] <pitti> /usr/share/themes/Radiance/gtk-2.0/apps/gnome-panel.rc:bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = "img/panel.png"
[18:19] <pitti> dobey: ^ same problem with our Ubuntu default theme..
[18:19] <dobey> yep
[18:19] <pitti> vertical panels look hideous
[18:19] <dobey> bg_pixmap is sort of like doing bg_panda[SAD]
[18:23] <devildante> mvo: around?
[18:40] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:40] <devildante> good night :)
[19:10] <devildante> tremolux : around?
[19:10] <tremolux> devildante: yep, hi
[19:10] <devildante> tremolux: hi :) here is some zeitgeist love: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/zeitgeist-unused-applications
[19:12] <nisshh> tremolux, btw, Pytask is almost done, i just have to finish the last little bit, should be done by wednesday :)
[19:12] <tremolux> devildante: that looks slick!
[19:12] <devildante> :)
[19:13] <tremolux> nisshh: ah, nice!  I look forward to checking it out  :)
[19:14] <nisshh> :)
[19:14] <tremolux> nisshh: are you thinking to apply to the App Review Board with it then?
[19:15] <nisshh> tremolux, i need to in order to get it on extras.ubuntu.com right?
[19:16] <tremolux> nisshh: yep, now that Maverick is released the process is underway: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Process
[19:18] <nisshh> tremolux, cool, one thing i don't understand yet: if Pytask gets onto extras.ubuntu.com (for maverick), does it get into subsequent releases as well? (Natty)
[19:18] <tremolux> nisshh: tho tbh I'm not sure where the ARB is in the reviewing process, etc.  We plan to have more talks about this at UDS
[19:18] <nisshh> i see
[19:18] <tremolux> nisshh: as I understand it, the two processes are separate
[19:19] <nisshh> ah ok
[19:19] <nisshh> tremolux, so i would only be getting Pytask into Maverick this way?
[19:19] <devildante> nisshh: you could open a needs-packaging bug
[19:19] <devildante> IIRC
[19:20] <tremolux> nisshh: yes, then you could get it into Natty itself if you like
[19:20] <nisshh> devildante, devildante well, i have had an offer from a MOTU to sponsor it for natty :)
[19:20] <micahg> nisshh: no, extras is meant as it's own repo for stuff not going into the distro
[19:20] <nisshh> oops
[19:20] <devildante> lol
[19:20] <nisshh> micahg, i see
[19:20] <micahg> nisshh: if you want something in Natty, you should go for that and request a backport
[19:21] <nisshh> right
[19:21] <nisshh> micahg, this is the kind of thing that i have had trouble finding information on, it's a serious problem not having a well documented 'way of doing this' kind of thing
[19:23] <micahg> nisshh: well, it is new, and the process will probably be discussed more at UDS
[19:23] <nisshh> i expect so yea
[19:23] <tremolux> nisshh, micahg: indeed
[19:23] <micahg> the ARB apps are meant to be for the version they're accepted in only according to the original proposakl
[19:25] <nisshh> micahg, so if i go the other route, and request it for Natty, will it automatically get accepted into the repos of future releases? or will i have to re-request each cycle?
[19:25] <micahg> nisshh: which route?
[19:25] <micahg> nisshh: archive uploads are copied forward (except backports)
[19:25] <nisshh> micahg, the usual route that new apps take when first entering the repos
[19:25] <nisshh> ah ok
[19:26] <micahg> nisshh: but, the hope is that you'll continue to maintain the app then :)
[19:26] <nisshh> well, that's the plan :)
[19:28] <nisshh> because i would have to re-request Pytask to be accepted into extras just for maverick, i think it would be much easier to go the other way and request for Natty and request a backport
[19:29] <nisshh> bah! i don't know
[19:29] <nisshh> i don't know enough about the process to make a good decision
[19:29] <nisshh> guess ill wait till it's discussed at UDS :)
[19:31] <nisshh> night all :)
[23:24] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner, hey, RAOF and TheMuso and robert_ancell are here
[23:24] <rickspencer3> (all .au based desktoppers)
[23:24] <TheMuso> I for one, welcome our new overlord. :)
[23:24] <rickspencer3> hehe
[23:25] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner, is working through "new starter tasks" today
[23:25] <TheMuso> Understandable.
[23:25] <RAOF> But what sort of overlord? Ant, robot, alien? :)
[23:25] <TheMuso> lol
[23:25] <rickspencer3> well, he's not listening apparantly, so get your jokes in while you can
[23:25] <RAOF> Heh.
[23:29] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, hey
[23:29] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner, welcome!