| spiv | Good morning. | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| peitschie | mornin spiv | 00:09 |
| poolie | jelmer, hi, still awake? | 00:36 |
| poolie | hi spiv | 00:36 |
| jelmer | poolie: Hi! | 00:36 |
| jelmer | poolie: Apparently :-) | 00:36 |
| spiv | Ooh, I'm patch pilot this week. | 01:34 |
| spiv | poolie: perhaps you should review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gz/bzr/smart_add_former_file_dir_251864/+merge/38676 ? I think you may have touched that code or near it with your smart_add deprecation patch. | 01:35 |
| poolie | spiv, actually i was going to propose swapping with you because i'll be away for the next two | 01:35 |
| poolie | i have, i'd be happy | 01:36 |
| poolie | to | 01:36 |
| poolie | (otp) | 01:36 |
| spiv | So you'd pp this week, and I'd pp the week of Nov 1? I'm happy to do that. | 01:37 |
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| dOxxx | spiv, pooile: y'all are just afraid to review my monster mergetools mp ;) | 02:00 |
| dOxxx | poolie^ | 02:00 |
| spiv | Heh | 02:00 |
| spiv | dOxxx: pfft, I had patch with a 26000 line diff last week ;) | 02:01 |
| dOxxx | I don't blame you. Took me 3 months. | 02:01 |
| dOxxx | Automated refactorings don't count! :) | 02:01 |
| poolie | :) | 02:04 |
| poolie | spiv of course you can still do reviews this week | 02:04 |
| poolie | spiv, are you all better? or a bit better? | 02:15 |
| spiv | poolie: I'm mostly better. | 02:31 |
| spiv | Well enough to continue looking at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/653307 at least :) | 02:32 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 653307 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "Import fails with missing referenced chk root keys (affected: 1, heat: 8)" [Critical,In progress] | 02:32 |
| poolie | want a quick catchup call or pm (depending on the state of your voice)? | 02:33 |
| zamabe | so. debian and bzr | 02:50 |
| zamabe | i hear they don't mix | 02:50 |
| zamabe | and i can't exactly download it | 02:50 |
| poolie | what is 'it'? | 02:52 |
| spiv | poolie: a catch up would be good, but maybe just after lunch as I'm in the middle of digging through a udd/bzr-builddeb maze right now | 02:52 |
| poolie | ok, thanks | 02:52 |
| zamabe | poolie, i've recently decided to download the tarball and build it | 02:53 |
| zamabe | what i mean by 'it' is this | 02:53 |
| zamabe | http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/DistroDownloads#Debian | 02:54 |
| poolie | zamabe, you just need 'sudo apt-get install bzr' or the equivalent | 03:50 |
| jbowtie | FryGuy-, thanks for those branches; I've already merged one and will create patches based on the other two soon. | 04:08 |
| jbowtie | FryGuy-: I was also surprised to see that it worked with 2010 with such a small change. They actually did pretty well with backwards compatibility. | 04:09 |
| jbowtie | FryGuy-: unfortunately I can't use the branch directly, need to put in conditional version checks. ;) | 04:09 |
| jbowtie | poolie: My "chopping up the file" proposal was based on what ZFS, Dropbox, et al do for versioning large files. Memory usage was a side effect. | 04:19 |
| jbowtie | poolie: Do you know of any better algorithms I should be looking at, maybe in the literature somewhere? | 04:19 |
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| poolie | i think the basic idea of chopping it up based on a rolling checksum is not too bad | 04:38 |
| lifeless | it might be nice to just be deterministic | 04:54 |
| lifeless | every 128K for instance | 04:54 |
| lifeless | so that we don't have to /diff/ to do it. | 04:54 |
| lifeless | in fact, thats probably a must-do, not a might-do. | 04:54 |
| jbowtie | lifeless: Should that apply to large text files as well or just binaries. | 04:59 |
| jbowtie | ? | 04:59 |
| poolie | well, rolling checksums are deterministic | 05:11 |
| poolie | spiv, can you reproduce that bug in bzr alone? | 05:11 |
| lifeless | poolie: they are, but using them to find the boundary between and old and new version means that partial branches cannot reproduce the result | 05:13 |
| lifeless | poolie: which is a significant concern | 05:13 |
| poolie | maybe we're talking about different things? | 05:13 |
| poolie | i understood jbowtie to be considering using them to chop single large files | 05:14 |
| jbowtie | Yes, trying to find a way to solve some of the issues around large binaries. | 05:16 |
| lifeless | that would be fine, I understood him to be using delta logic based on that | 05:16 |
| lifeless | via the reference to zfs and dropbox | 05:16 |
| spiv | poolie: no, at least not without intentionally driving the bzrlib APIs to generate two inventories with the same ID but different details. | 05:17 |
| poolie | jbowtie: so are you saying that dropbox chop the files on boundaries and then apply librsync? | 05:17 |
| poolie | i know they at least used to use librsync | 05:17 |
| jbowtie | poolie: AFAICT yes, that lets them do data deduplication as well as versioning. | 05:19 |
| poolie | mm | 05:19 |
| poolie | jbowtie: i'm wondering: in which layer should this be done? | 05:21 |
| poolie | should the repository present the abstraction that you're just dealing with files, some of which may be extremely large? | 05:22 |
| poolie | or do you want to expose it at a higher level? | 05:22 |
| poolie | to me it seems pretty clear it should be behind that abstraction if at all possible | 05:22 |
| poolie | so then we do need to make sure all those interfaces work with iterators of bytes (or some similar convention) | 05:23 |
| poolie | otherwise we'll just propagate this problem | 05:23 |
| jbowtie | poolie: I'd like to keep it confined to the repository if possible, but I think I need to spend some time trying to implement it to come up with something workable. | 05:26 |
| jbowtie | poolie: Figured I'd put together something experimental this week if I can find the free time. | 05:26 |
| jbowtie | Speaking of which I have to go offline while I travel home; pick up the conversation on the mailing list if necessary. | 05:27 |
| poolie | i don't really understand the relevance of the xemacs startup to hooks... | 05:34 |
| poolie | spiv: now? | 05:34 |
| spiv | poolie: now is good | 05:35 |
| === poolie changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar version control | try https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr for more help | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Patch pilot: poolie | Release Manager: vila | 2.3b2 is officially released, test it ! | work on bzr: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_BSE/ | ||
| vila | hi all ! | 07:34 |
| spm | yo vila! | 07:44 |
| vila | spm: hey ! | 07:45 |
| vila | poolie, spiv: Hmm, did I miss something ? jam and poolie are at UDS next week, so PP should be either me or spiv for week 43 (starting 25 oct) | 07:57 |
| poolie | that is what i meant to make it | 07:58 |
| poolie | ... and i got it wrong | 07:58 |
| poolie | i'll fix it | 07:58 |
| vila | poolie: done | 07:58 |
| vila | was doing it in parallel but wanted to give a heads-up | 07:59 |
| lifeless | spiv: you should get a twitter account ;) | 08:00 |
| poolie | vila, did you get to talk to charline? | 08:44 |
| vila | poolie: no, she never ponged, I will try again today | 08:44 |
| vila | poolie: hmm, she's not online currently though... | 08:45 |
| vila | poolie: I will mail her | 08:45 |
| poolie | ah, she might have already gone to the US | 08:45 |
| poolie | that would be good | 08:45 |
| vila | argh, goodbye same-TZ-ness | 08:45 |
| poolie | i thought she wasn't leaving til later this week | 08:46 |
| vila | and I can't find here on the UDS-N attendees :-? >-/ | 08:47 |
| poolie | vila, ok, i sent her a mail | 08:53 |
| poolie | you could call later today? | 08:53 |
| vila | poolie: sure | 08:53 |
| poolie | what a day | 08:57 |
| poolie | i'm going to sign off, good night | 08:57 |
| vila | poolie: night ! | 09:01 |
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| thevibe | morning anyone | 09:13 |
| thevibe | does anyone of you have a post_commit update hook/plugin ? | 09:14 |
| lifeless | what do you mean? | 09:18 |
| thevibe | I mean if you have an already running post_commit hook/plugin that does an update on the server | 09:51 |
| thevibe | lifeless - I'm just at the beginning with python so I don't want to jump over my level with a plugin that needs to serve a development environment | 09:53 |
| lifeless | oh, I think someone may have written one | 09:54 |
| lifeless | check the plugins page? | 09:54 |
| thevibe | lifeless, I checked google up to page xx and I can't find one | 09:56 |
| lifeless | hmm | 09:56 |
| thevibe | honestly the problem is that I can't wait till I get a ggod grip of python for this | 09:56 |
| thevibe | I need it and that's why I am asking for help | 09:57 |
| lifeless | I'd ask on the list | 09:57 |
| lifeless | more people see questions there | 09:57 |
| thevibe | I built the development environment in a semi-decentralized manner | 09:57 |
| thevibe | and because is the developement server and we have a routine in place | 09:57 |
| thevibe | an update run after commit will display everything in the broser straight away | 09:58 |
| thevibe | which is what I want | 09:58 |
| thevibe | I've sent my question there but not very successful | 09:59 |
| thevibe | because of that I said I will come here maybe someone has one and maybe will be willing to share it | 09:59 |
| thevibe | the other problem is that I need to put everything in place to close the gates for svn fans asap | 10:00 |
| thevibe | :) | 10:00 |
| GaryvdM | thevibe: Not sure if I understand you correctly, but maybe the bzr-upload plugin will do what you want. | 10:24 |
| thevibe | bzr-upload will be used to deploy things but I don't think it does what I want | 10:37 |
| thevibe | I just want an equivalent of an svn post_commit hook that runs an update on the server after any commit | 10:38 |
| thevibe | it should be in the same category with hooks that send an email after commit or something similar | 10:39 |
| thevibe | to describe the structure this is how it looks | 10:40 |
| thevibe | we init a project on the server | 10:40 |
| GaryvdM | thevibe: What does "runs an update" entail? | 10:40 |
| thevibe | the developer will checkout a branch which is bound to the main one | 10:41 |
| thevibe | after any chaneg the developer will commit the changes to the main repo | 10:41 |
| thevibe | after that cmmit I need a hook that will execute a bzr update | 10:41 |
| thevibe | so I can see the changes in the browser straight away | 10:41 |
| thevibe | is being used for web dev mostly | 10:42 |
| thevibe | GaryvdM, after a commit I need a hook that will execute bzr update on the server | 10:42 |
| thevibe | it is something like push-and-update but I need commit-and-update | 10:43 |
| GaryvdM | thevibe: Ok - bzr update needs to be run on the server. Do the devs all have ssh access? | 10:43 |
| thevibe | everything is run under ssh | 10:43 |
| thevibe | bzr+ssh | 10:43 |
| thevibe | so yes they have as the server is inside | 10:44 |
| thevibe | but I need an automated process | 10:44 |
| thevibe | I don't want them to login and run the command by themselves | 10:44 |
| GaryvdM | thevibe: You will want a post tip change hook on the master branch, rather than a post commit hook on the devs branch, so that if they unbind, and push, it still works. | 10:45 |
| * GaryvdM looks at the push-and-update to see if it can be made to do this | 10:45 | |
| GaryvdM | * push-and-update code... | 10:46 |
| GaryvdM | thevibe: Note that you can get bzr-upload to do this... | 10:47 |
| thevibe | as I was saying I am not very advanced with python so I don't want to digg in an area where I can miss things and not understand others | 10:48 |
| thevibe | GaryvdM, can you give me more details on how bzr-upload can do this | 10:48 |
| thevibe | ? | 10:48 |
| thevibe | I trust you about the post tip change hook but the issue is still there: how can I get one of those? :) | 10:49 |
| GaryvdM | thevibe: step 1: in the master branch on the server, run bzr remove tree | 10:51 |
| GaryvdM | thevibe: step 2 : from your pc run bzr upload sftp://server/path-to-branch -d bzr+ssh://server/path-to-branch --auto | 10:52 |
| GaryvdM | thevibe: that will get bzr-upload to do a post tip change hook on bzr+ssh://server/path-to-branch to upload to sftp://server/path-to-branch | 10:54 |
| GaryvdM | thevibe: step 3: make all the devs install bzr-upload. | 10:55 |
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| Glenjamin | s/remove tree/remove-tree/ | 10:56 |
| GaryvdM | Glenjamin: yes - thanks | 10:56 |
| thevibe | excellent | 11:06 |
| thevibe | I will do that | 11:06 |
| thevibe | one more thing | 11:06 |
| thevibe | some of the are front-end developers or even designers and I suggest them to use bzr explorer as it can be installed on multiple OS's | 11:08 |
| thevibe | I use Ubuntu, for me it's easy | 11:08 |
| GaryvdM | Hmm - push-and-update date has a post_push hook, but that limits it to push. It would be much more useful if it used post-tip-changed, like bzr upload.. | 11:08 |
| thevibe | can I create a tool in bzr for this command? | 11:08 |
| thevibe | you're right and I told you I tried that plugin and is not exactly what I need | 11:09 |
| thevibe | it has his good parts but probably a post-tip-changed would be much more useful in real-world | 11:09 |
| thevibe | I think at least | 11:10 |
| thevibe | :) | 11:10 |
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| mgz | I'm pretty sure using bzr with gunicorn is just a bad idea. | 18:21 |
| jam | mgz: but... but... unicorns, man | 18:26 |
| mgz | the problem on the list doesn't look intermittent though, so I won't start yelling about signals just yet. | 18:27 |
| jam | mgz: signals shmignals, unicorns man, its all about the unicorns | 18:27 |
| jam | (and the fairy dust, but that is harvested from the unicorns anyway) | 18:28 |
| mgz | shouldn't animal welfare have something to say about covering a unicorn in green paint? | 18:28 |
| GaryvdM | Hi mgz, jam | 18:29 |
| jam | hi GaryvdM | 18:29 |
| mgz | have you got any smart ideas on bug 663234 Gary? | 18:29 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 663234 in Bazaar Windows Installers "qlog fails after loading bzr 2.2.1 on Windows 2000 (affected: 1, heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663234 | 18:29 |
| GaryvdM | He He, was about to ask you.... | 18:30 |
| GaryvdM | * I was... | 18:30 |
| mgz | well, Alexander might be right, it's hard to tell without more information | 18:31 |
| mgz | suggesting the guy tries do just do python -c "import PyQt4.QtGui" might help. | 18:31 |
| GaryvdM | He said that it was working with 2.2.0, so I wonder if he removes the msvcp dlls and manifest, if it will work | 18:31 |
| mgz | yeah, I wondered if it was something I'd broken, but I'm not even sure which installer he used | 18:32 |
| GaryvdM | I've been assuming 2.2.1-2, but I may be wrong. | 18:32 |
| GaryvdM | I looked, and I can't find any window 2000 cd. | 18:33 |
| mgz | yeah, not sure it's really worth us trying to test it. | 18:33 |
| mgz | working out some sensible things for him to try might be worth it though. | 18:34 |
| GaryvdM | I was still in school when win2000 came out - Seems so long ago. | 18:34 |
| mgz | ehehhe | 18:34 |
| mgz | I have a box with win98 on it still! | 18:34 |
| GaryvdM | :-0 | 18:34 |
| mgz | but I was in school when I got it. | 18:35 |
| GaryvdM | I never used 98 much. I went from 95 -> nt 4 | 18:36 |
| GaryvdM | btw - I got my build host working finally :-) I need to document how I did it with vs express . | 18:38 |
| mgz | cool. | 18:38 |
| GaryvdM | And I have built a 64bit python installer, which I need to upload. But I think what people will really be looking for is the standalone 64bit installer. | 18:40 |
| mgz | I did wonder what people were going on about on the mailing list with 64 bit windows. | 18:41 |
| mgz | ...if you care that much, just download a 64 bit python and install bzr yourself | 18:41 |
| GaryvdM | I'm busy in building a 2.2.1-3, with bzr-explorer 1.1.1. 1.1.0 had a bug thats getting alot of heat. | 18:42 |
| GaryvdM | mgz: Did you see my mail about using build out for the dependences? | 18:45 |
| mgz | ...no, what list was it sent to? | 18:45 |
| GaryvdM | mgz: bzr-windows | 18:46 |
| GaryvdM | Ah - just got jam's reply | 18:46 |
| jam | GaryvdM: well, I just sent it now, too :) | 18:47 |
| jam | I like the idea | 18:47 |
| jam | not sure about the path | 18:47 |
| jam | I would be fine using a default that fits the build machine | 18:47 |
| mgz | I'd really like a way of bypassing buildout, but using it for more things is also good. | 18:48 |
| GaryvdM | jam: I finally managed to create a bundle on ec2, but the name I gave it was not very good. Sorry | 18:49 |
| mgz | jam: if you have a mo, could I have some input on my worrying in <https://code.launchpad.net/~gz/bzr/require_unicode_committer_614593/+merge/38334> ? | 18:54 |
| jam | mgz: commented | 18:58 |
| mgz | thanks! | 19:00 |
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| mtaylor | is there already a bug out there requesting that bzr launchpad-login set bzr whoami based on metainfo on launchpad | 19:27 |
| mtaylor | I _keep_ having folks who have obviously dong lp-login (since they are pushing) but skip the whoami step because nothing reminds them to | 19:28 |
| fullermd | Don't recent versions just refuse to commit if you haven't whoamied? | 19:30 |
| fullermd | (whoami'd? How do you conjugate that?) | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | fullermd: not that I can see ... although maybe that's in newer revs than what we have | 19:53 |
| mtaylor | fullermd: do you mean post-2.2? | 19:53 |
| fullermd | Looks like it was in 2.2. | 19:53 |
| mwhudson | jam: hi | 20:08 |
| jam | hi mwhudson | 20:18 |
| mwhudson | jam: did you see the lp-service failure? | 20:18 |
| jam | yes, I wasn't 100% sure about what it was telling me | 20:19 |
| mwhudson | jam: i think it's an unbound variable 'socket_path' | 20:19 |
| jam | mwhudson: what I saw was "exited without failures but with nonzero exit code" | 20:19 |
| mwhudson | $ pyflakes lib/lp/codehosting/tests/test_acceptance.py | 20:21 |
| mwhudson | lib/lp/codehosting/tests/test_acceptance.py:81: undefined name 'socket_path' | 20:21 |
| mwhudson | jam: ^ | 20:21 |
| jam | AttributeError: 'TestProtocolClient' object has no attribute '_exc_info_to_unicode' | 20:21 |
| jam | mwhudson: so it certainly could have failed randomly because of a broken exception handler | 20:23 |
| jam | but all the test_acceptance tests seemed to pass here | 20:23 |
| mwhudson | jam: you haven't forgotten to push to lp? | 20:25 |
| mwhudson | jam: because there's pretty clearly a socket_path that needs to be self.socket_path in the branch i just pulled | 20:26 |
| jam | it is possible | 20:27 |
| jam | or I pushed without commit, etc | 20:27 |
| mwhudson | jam: the deprecationwarnings are probably from the atexit stuff | 20:30 |
| mgz | <jam> AttributeError: 'TestProtocolClient' object has no attribute '_exc_info_to_unicode' <- this is subunit bug 635702 and indicates an old testtools version | 21:04 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 635702 in subunit "addError broken with some versions of testtools (affected: 1, heat: 7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635702 | 21:04 |
| jam | mgz: someone should tell launchpad to update their testtools :) | 21:13 |
| mgz | There's probably an rt on it buried somewhere. | 21:13 |
| mgz | content filtering hits before diff, right? | 21:16 |
| mgz | so, content filtering a utf-16 file to utf-8 in the repo would mean you could diff it? | 21:17 |
| mwhudson | jam: lifeless tried (to update testtools), it uncovered some broken tests | 21:29 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: I'd be delighted if you wanted to tug on them. | 21:54 |
| poolie | jam, shall we talk in a bit? | 21:55 |
| mwhudson | lifeless: two of the tests are really easy to fix, i guess i can look at them in a bit | 21:58 |
| peitschie | mornin all :) | 22:54 |
| vila | ouch, now is already tomorrow, night all ;) | 23:01 |
| peitschie | night vila lol | 23:03 |
| jelmer | Bonne nuit vila | 23:14 |
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