[03:13] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187359 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/TODO TODO++
[07:09] <muesli> hey guys, i'm getting this error, trying to run kdevelop (kubuntu-ppa packages): /usr/bin/kdevelop.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libkdevplatforminterfaces.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:10] <muesli> googling suggests it's fixed and there's a new package out, yet my system's up-to-date
[08:12] <apachelogger> muesli: are you on 10.10?
[08:13] <muesli> apachelogger: yeds
[08:13] <apachelogger> hmmm
[08:21] <apachelogger> muesli: kdevelop 4.0.80?
[08:21] <muesli> Version: 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu2                                                                               
[08:22] <muesli> am i missing something?
[08:22] <apachelogger> :O
[08:22] <apachelogger> muesli: that version ought to come from the official repos
[08:22] <apachelogger> !info kdevelop maverick
[08:23] <muesli> weird
[08:23] <apachelogger> muesli: can you please run `apt-cache policy kdevelop` and paste the output
[08:23] <muesli> http://pastebin.ca/1966635
[08:24] <muesli> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main && deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu maverick main
[08:24] <apachelogger> looks like you do not have a PPA version but the maverick version
[08:25] <muesli> the repos i use seem fine tho, right?
[08:25] <apachelogger> yes
[08:26] <muesli> http://pastebin.ca/1966638
[08:26] <apachelogger> !find libkdevplatforminterfaces.so.1
[08:26] <muesli> that's the other annoyance i experience
[08:26] <apachelogger> muesli: is kdevplatform1-libs installed?
[08:26] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[08:27] <apachelogger> you seem to have a buggy scribble package too ^^
[08:27] <muesli> ii  kdevplatform1-libs                              1.0.82-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1                     shared libraries for the KDevelop platform
[08:27] <apachelogger> :O
[08:27] <apachelogger> now there is something fishy
[08:28] <apachelogger> muesli: see, that libs package is coming from lucid, yet your kdevelop is from maverick
[08:28] <muesli> oh
[08:28] <muesli> wtf
[08:28] <muesli> i see
[08:29] <apachelogger> muesli: try sudo apt-get install kdevplatform1-libs=1.0.2-0ubuntu2
[08:29] <muesli> yeah, that'll work
[08:29] <muesli> how can i get rid of any old lucid references?
[08:29] <muesli> same for libsublime
[08:29] <muesli> weird
[08:30] <muesli> it's a bit weird that the lucid versions have the greater version number
[08:31] <apachelogger> ehm
[08:31] <apachelogger> muesli: well you apparently installed them from beta-backports I suppose
[08:31] <apachelogger> anyhow
[08:32] <apachelogger> in /etc/apt/preferences
[08:32] <apachelogger> Package: *
[08:32] <apachelogger> Pin: release a=maverick
[08:32] <apachelogger> Pin-Priority: 900
[08:32] <apachelogger> EOF
[08:32] <apachelogger> or so I think out of the top of my head ^^
[08:32] <muesli> heh, no preferences file in there yet, i'll go ahead an create one
[08:33] <muesli> or a separate one in preferences.d
[08:33] <apachelogger> muesli: that should pin all packages to a maverick version, running dist-upgrade after that should up-down-tograde
[08:33] <apachelogger> so you should remove the pinning again after you ran dist-upgrade or the ugprade to 11.04 will likely fail ^^
[08:34] <muesli> ok, seems those were the only two packages
[08:34] <muesli> or at least it doesn't want to update anything else
[08:35] <muesli> a clue what's wrong with the scribble package?
[08:35] <apachelogger> yeah, whoever packaged it had no clue what he did :P
[08:35] <apachelogger> or it is like super old
[08:35] <muesli> :)
[08:35] <muesli> heh
[08:36] <apachelogger> muesli: is it official?
[08:37] <apachelogger> ah
[08:37] <apachelogger> muesli: seems to be that it is incredibly old
[08:39] <valorie> apachelogger: http://goo.gl/maps/jN1K
[08:39] <valorie> if we want to go to mgmt
[08:41] <valorie> would sort of suck to miss the pizza party though
[08:41] <apachelogger> pizza party sounds like a perfectly boring geek thing though :P
[08:42] <valorie> we could go to pizza for a half-hour and then take off
[08:42] <valorie> being late to a show is not a big deal
[08:42] <valorie> you just miss the standing around waiting for the band to set up
[08:42] <apachelogger> ^^
[08:43] <valorie> because they never do until they are supposed to go on!
[08:43] <valorie> drives me nuts
[08:43] <valorie> lol
[08:43] <apachelogger> well, I am not a very deciding person, so I live it all up to you to make one :P
[08:43] <apachelogger> s/live/leave
[08:43] <valorie> let's decide Sunday then
[08:44] <valorie> our tickets would be at will call anyway
[08:44] <valorie> ok?
[08:44]  * apachelogger only arrives at 2000 on sunday
[08:44] <valorie> maybe more people will speak up who want to go also
[08:44] <apachelogger> oh
[08:44] <apachelogger> gotta go
[08:44] <apachelogger> omg
[10:03] <jussi> valorie: when are you planning to go to this place?
[10:04] <valorie> Monday night is the MGMT show
[10:06] <valorie> http://www.thesocial.org/details/?tfly_event_id=12745
[13:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aroundz?
[13:38] <markey> dear Kubuntu folks, I've got a question
[13:39] <shadeslayer> markey: shoot
[13:39]  * shadeslayer runs in other direction
[13:39] <markey> as you might have heard (or not), the Amarok project is currently having a fundraiser, "Roktober"
[13:39] <markey> https://identi.ca/notice/56688825
[13:39] <markey> oops
[13:39] <markey> wrong URL
[13:39] <markey> http://amarok.kde.org/en/roktober/2010
[13:39] <markey> this ^
[13:39] <markey> and, in these times, it is very hard to drum up donations
[13:39] <markey> so we try to do as much PR as possible
[13:40] <markey> is there a way that we could somehow reach Kubuntu users?
[13:40] <markey> as Amarok is the default music player in Kubuntu...
[13:40] <markey> I think it could be a good audience
[13:40] <shadeslayer> markey: poke #kubuntu-offtopic perhaps? 
[13:41] <markey> is that channel any good, or more irrelevant? I mean, all the decision makers are here
[13:41] <markey> Riddell, etc
[13:41]  * shadeslayer can only donate in terms of patches :(
[13:41] <markey> no, I don't mean to drum up donations from Kubuntu devs :)
[13:41] <persia> markey, What kind of way would you want to reach them?
[13:41] <markey> you misunderstood me
[13:42] <markey> we just want to ask if we could somehow do some PR for reaching Kubuntu users
[13:42] <markey> persia: that's a good question
[13:42] <markey> I'm not sure
[13:42] <markey> a small news article on kubuntu.org?
[13:42] <markey> or something
[13:42] <markey> brb
[13:43] <persia> Kubuntu has some promotional channels, but I suspect you'll get a lot better response to your question if you can come up with some specific things you'd like to have happen (and content for them), rather than an open-ended statement.
[13:43]  * persia has no idea if such proposals would be accepted
[13:43] <markey> persia: well, we've already done the usual: dot.kde.org, blogs, Identi.ca
[13:43] <markey> but that might not reach Kubuntu users well
[13:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i see no webkittyness on that link
[13:43] <markey> it reaches devs more
[13:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why would you?
[13:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i said we need a webkit browser!!!
[13:44] <shadeslayer> gecko is slow ...
[13:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is the maemo thing gecko?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> anyways, need some help on a small isue
[13:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its firefox ... "based on the mozilla platform"
[13:45] <apachelogger> markey: in theory, if say amarok did a release and say we were to publish packages for that release and in consequence have a news on the kubuntu.org site, it is very likely that it would mention roktober ... ;)
[13:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://projects.kde.org/projects/rekonq/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/iconmanager.cpp#L106
[13:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, that is bound to change once qtwebkit is ready
[13:46] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok in the link i pointed you, can you explain what that foo does?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> and how do i return favicons for about:
[13:48] <apachelogger> once I found rekonq
[13:48] <apachelogger> since it does not popup or blink or anything
[13:48] <markey> apachelogger: well, we have just released 2.3.2
[13:48] <markey> next release is 2.4
[13:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, it provides an icon
[13:48] <markey> planned for Kubuntu-Next
[13:48] <markey> early 2011
[13:48] <markey> but that is too late for the fundraiser 
[13:49] <apachelogger> well, better wait for Riddell then, I would also be in favor of just putting up a news about it
[13:50] <shadeslayer> i think i need a special case for about:foo urls, but how do i set the favicon for those :S
[13:51] <apachelogger> hardcode?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> but ... but .. what do i return? how do i set the custom icons?
[13:56] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[13:57] <shadeslayer> it worked at some point of time
[14:02] <apachelogger> well yeah, see function above
[14:02] <apachelogger> something surely must have changed architecture wise
[14:25] <apachelogger> sheytan_: can you get me smaller versions of the start page images?
[14:25] <sheytan> apachelogger smaller means?
[14:25] <apachelogger> the ones from yesterday where >3000 pixels or so ... coming to some 4 MiB
[14:25] <sheytan> you wanted in hi dpi res ;P
[14:26] <apachelogger> yeah, but the others where not that big :P
[14:26] <sheytan> because they propably were jpgs :P
[14:26] <apachelogger> hm
[14:26] <apachelogger> dunno
[14:26] <apachelogger> eitherway 11 MiB for a template is too large ^^
[14:26] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/Timelord/Design/
[14:26] <sheytan> let me make the best jpegs quality i can do ;)
[14:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: no, just use lower res png
[14:27] <sheytan> apachelogger i can't scale it now
[14:27] <apachelogger> but jpeg is lossy
[14:27] <sheytan> if you can, you can make it look good, too ;)
[14:27] <apachelogger> no
[14:27] <apachelogger> jpeg is lossy
[14:28] <apachelogger> that is like saying you can make an mp3 sound good :P
[14:28] <apachelogger> you CANNOT
[14:28] <sheytan> well, no one notices the difference :P
[14:28] <sheytan> and well, not on a projector ;P
[14:28] <apachelogger> well
[14:28] <apachelogger> openoffice scales it anyway
[14:28] <apachelogger> ...
[14:28] <apachelogger> so
[14:29] <sheytan> and what about svg?
[14:29] <sheytan> does ooo scales it too?
[14:29] <apachelogger> yes
[14:29] <sheytan> or will it convert it to raster
[14:29] <apachelogger> well, in order to display it it will "convert" it to raster
[14:30] <sheytan> so my job is done here ;)
[14:30] <sheytan> i mean, you take the jpg
[14:30] <apachelogger> I shall not use jpg :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:31] <sheytan> but really, no one notices it
[14:31] <sheytan> even when someone will not look closer, you can't notice it on  the monitor ;P
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Kubuntu Natty Kontact and Qt patch review at same time, think you can shift them around?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: new kdevelop goes into updates right?
[15:53] <ulysses> !find kmail.mo
[16:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer: They can be shifted.  I wouldn't worry about it too much.  
[16:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok, ill upload to beta to be sure, then we can move them to updates
[16:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I was answering your UDS scheduling question.
[16:13] <shadeslayer> oh :P
[16:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh btw theres a small confusion in the mail marianna sent us .. it says the shuttle service is paid for, and then goes onto to tell us the fare
[16:15] <ScottK> If it's not paid for, it's reimbursable.
[16:15] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If you subscribe to the specs you're interested in, that will (I believe) encourage the scheduling system to spread them out.
[16:17] <shadeslayer> already registered for both :)
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ill double check
[16:18] <shadeslayer> ah .. im not registered for qt one :(
[16:32] <shadeslayer> ScottK: whats Gifting? :P
[16:33] <ScottK> You're guess is as good as mine.
[16:34] <shadeslayer> so the guy who gives the session is the Engineering Director @ Canonical
[16:45] <ScottK> He is.
[16:48] <shadeslayer> we should do something like http://www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager
[16:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ amazing stuff
[16:51] <apachelogger> sure, get a server
[16:52] <apachelogger> also
[16:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are hereby promoted to personal schedule assitant of phonon's lieutenant
[16:53] <apachelogger> meaning you are in charge of making sure I am registered for sessions that I want to be registered for
[16:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: congrats
[16:53]  * shadeslayer registers apachelogger for all of them
[16:53] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:53] <shadeslayer> does that mean youll teach me during your free hours? :P
[16:54] <apachelogger> free hours?
[16:54] <apachelogger> what free hours now?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> like.. when your free
[16:55] <shadeslayer> during UDS
[16:56]  * apachelogger needs to get a likeback release cracking, also fix0r up the pam-face-auth, also new phonon-vlc is coming up, also on the matter of phonon-vlc the graphicsitem magic still needs internals fixed up, also new release of kcm-qqt-graphicssystem is pending, also ...
[16:57] <apachelogger> kcm-hosts is waiting too
[16:57] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[16:57]  * apachelogger upgrades his you bun too
[16:59] <shadeslayer> to natty? 0_o
[17:00] <apachelogger> upgrade failed, system broken
[17:00] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:00]  * apachelogger zsyncs 
[17:02] <apachelogger> cool
[17:02] <apachelogger> kpresenter now works more reliable with odf than ooo
[17:02] <apachelogger> splendid
[17:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: beta packages?
[17:04] <apachelogger> aye
[17:04] <apachelogger> or maybe kpresenter just does not do otp to begin with
[17:05]  * shadeslayer doesnt see any speedups using raster in KDE
[17:07] <apachelogger> talking about speed
[17:07] <apachelogger> is it just me or does ooo feel sluggish
[17:07] <shadeslayer> you just noticed?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> ooo is sluggish always... i just use google docs 
[17:10]  * apachelogger uses vim
[17:10] <apachelogger> now if ooo's KDE integration was not seriously scary I would look into this
[17:10] <apachelogger> also I do not really know where to look
[17:10] <apachelogger> IIRC we have that stuff in patches *Shrug*
[17:12]  * ScottK thought that with his godlike developer powers, apachelogger was afraid of nothing?
[17:12] <apachelogger> I am very much afraid of scary code
[17:13] <apachelogger> I rather enjoy a good presentation template
[17:13] <ScottK> Maybe you should de-scarify it.
[17:13] <apachelogger> like the new Kubuntu one ;)
[17:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: impossible, ooo's code base is scary by design
[17:13] <apachelogger> the folder names alone
[17:14] <apachelogger> it remains a mystery who thought that slx and abw are good dir names
[17:14] <ScottK> Right, but we're switching to LibreOffice, so it should all be magically wonderful without Oracle's evil influence.
[17:14] <apachelogger> ah
[17:14] <apachelogger> right
[17:14] <apachelogger> oracle is at fault :P
[17:15] <apachelogger> on that note, libreoffice is like openoffice with crapy logo :P
[17:16] <ScottK> I'm guessing we'll have more source and less patch, but not much else will change.
[17:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:23] <shadeslayer> fregl: poke
[17:23] <fregl> hi shadeslayer
[17:24] <shadeslayer> fregl: hi, could you join #rekonq?
[17:39] <debfx> aha, qtwebkit is not installable on arm because phonon ftbfs
[17:56] <shadeslayer> :O
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/10/19/exporting-qml-from-photoshop-and-gimp/
[17:56] <shadeslayer> the future is now
[17:57] <nixternal> holy hell that is bad ass
[17:57] <shadeslayer> oh yeah
[17:59] <ScottK> NCommander: Could we get some help with what to do about phonon on armel?  We're sort of stuck until that's resolved.
[17:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dude, I am so ahead of you :P
[17:59] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[18:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the media player experiment I did some time ago with sheytan...
[18:00] <apachelogger> created in gimp, exported to qml, refined by me :P
[18:00] <shadeslayer> that was all via gimp?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> great
[18:00] <shadeslayer> see this is why you will be teaching me :P
[18:01] <apachelogger> sheytan: did you export those pngs via gimp?
[18:01] <apachelogger> cause the compression seems sort of crappy
[18:01]  * apachelogger just turned a 4.8 MiB png into a 1.5 one
[18:01] <shadeslayer> hmm.. maybe we can write rekonq's home page in QML awesomeness
[18:01] <apachelogger> ehm
[18:01] <apachelogger> unsuited use case?
[18:02] <apachelogger> is unsuited even a word?
[18:02] <apachelogger> sounds kinda wrong
[18:02] <shadeslayer> why? :D
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: web browser??!!?! :P
[18:02] <sheytan> apachelogger you mean the video player?
[18:02] <nixternal> that is a word apachelogger
[18:02] <shadeslayer> so? yours is a video player
[18:02] <apachelogger> also, QML != stuff that does scale in size
[18:02] <apachelogger> nixternal: cool, thx
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but the controls are fixed
[18:03] <apachelogger> sheytan: aye
[18:03] <nixternal> at least we use it in poker, but typically use 'offsuit' instead :)
[18:03] <sheytan> apachelogger all created with gimp and exported, too
[18:04] <apachelogger> Biometrics Model not Generated for the User.
[18:04] <apachelogger> Giving Up Face Authentication. Try Again=(.
[18:04] <apachelogger> goodness
[18:04]  * sheytan thinks user account config should be more user friendly
[18:05] <apachelogger> you know, if that were some kind of title I would love the capitals, but oh boy
[18:05] <apachelogger> ...in a message...
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh, app crashes -> no konqi
[18:10] <shadeslayer> rather, no Dr. konqi
[18:10] <apachelogger> app crash?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> yus, like choqok or rekonq or anything
[18:11] <apachelogger> maybe apport is on?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> no apport window as well
[18:11] <shadeslayer> but how do i check?
[18:13] <apachelogger> /etc/default/apport
[18:13] <shadeslayer> nope, disabled there as well
[18:14] <shadeslayer> possible bug 663367
[18:14] <shadeslayer> well.. no 
[18:14] <shadeslayer> thats in debug installer :/
[18:15] <shadeslayer> meh.. *shrug* .. need to sleep
[18:15] <shadeslayer> cya
[18:17] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187519 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp (log message trimmed)
[18:17] <CIA-116> Populate PackagePrivate's Group set directly, instead of populating a temporary
[18:17] <CIA-116> set, and then iterating through each value of that set and adding it to
[18:28] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187521 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp comments++
[18:39] <apachelogger> hello hello
[18:39] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187522 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) (log message trimmed)
[18:39] <CIA-116> Add a new setUndoRedoCacheSize() function to QApt::Backend. This allows
[18:39] <CIA-116> applications to customize the undo/redo stack size, allowing them to increase it
[18:39] <apachelogger> can someone please try http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/Timelord/Design/
[18:47] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187525 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add a saveInstalledSelectionsList() function to QApt::Backend that exports a list of all installed packages to the given path. This list can be ready by readSelections() or by the Synaptic Package Manager.
[18:50] <neversfelde> apachelogger: what in particular?
[18:50] <apachelogger> evyerthing :P
[18:50] <neversfelde> apachelogger: okular asks me for showing it in presentation mode :)
[18:50] <apachelogger> well, of course, it is a presentation :P
[18:51] <neversfelde> so it works
[18:51] <apachelogger> actually I was more thinking about testing the otp :P
[18:51] <neversfelde> 1 MB :(
[18:51] <neversfelde> ok, I'll do 
[18:53] <neversfelde> apachelogger: that's a template?
[18:53] <apachelogger> yes
[18:53]  * neversfelde should really not test anything without knowing what it is about :)
[18:53] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I like it
[18:53] <apachelogger> cool
[18:54] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187526 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp USe a common function for writing our selection files in saveSelections and saveInstalledPackagesList, code duplication--
[18:56] <neversfelde> well, it is decent and blue
[18:56] <neversfelde> so it is like Kubuntu should be 
[18:57] <neversfelde> and often is :)
[18:57] <apachelogger> sheytan: think it is ready for publish?
[19:03] <sheytan> apachelogger as a slide bg add the one with a gray footer
[19:03] <sheytan> is better imho :D
[19:03] <sheytan> brb
[19:03] <apachelogger> they are all there :P
[19:25] <claydoh> markey: Could also have some sort of announcement/post in http://kubuntuforums.netforums/index.php?board=24.0 this would reach a number of Kubuntu users
[19:28]  * claydoh plans to get organized and timely kubuntu-related announcements into the forums this cycle.
[19:36] <apachelogger> meh
[19:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: pingy
[19:38] <sheytan> apachelogger oh, in the pdf
[19:38] <sheytan> i meant a otp with that one ;P
[19:39] <apachelogger> they are all in the otp
[19:39] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot78.png
[19:40] <apachelogger> sheytan: can you make me a banner sort of thingy for a blog post - like http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot77.png here just good looking
[19:40] <sheytan> apachelogger kpresenter shows me only the start page and one slide
[19:40] <apachelogger> 940x198
[19:40] <sheytan> apachelogger sure, but blue for top and gray for fotter, right?
[19:40] <apachelogger> claydoh: what do you think of the text at http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot77.png ? ;)
[19:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: well, I only need a banner that is somehow related
[19:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: each blog post can have a different banner on my blog :P
[19:41] <apachelogger> hence it makes sense to have something fancy looking at the top that is related to the what the blog post is about
[19:42] <apachelogger> sheytan: in kpresenter I think you can only switch via format -> master slide
[19:42] <apachelogger> or some such
[19:44] <claydoh> apachelogger: change "master slides. Two bla bla" to master slides: two bla bla"
[19:44] <claydoh> otherwise perfection imo
[19:44] <apachelogger> sweet, thanks
[19:48]  * claydoh regrets not continuing his learning of other languages, and is constantly amazed at how well many people do so well with their second and third languages
[19:48] <claydoh> that was a poorly written sentence lol
[19:49] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8006/headergx.png
[19:52] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot79.png
[19:52] <apachelogger> splendid
[19:52] <apachelogger> sheytan: cheers
[19:53] <sheytan> apachelogger mayne put something on  the left side? lie y our logo, photo or something
[19:53] <sheytan> feels kinda empty now
[19:54] <apachelogger> nakkid picture of claydoh?
[19:54] <sheytan> what of what? :D
[19:54] <apachelogger> sheytan: actually I like the minimalism there, but if you have an idea to improve it... :)
[19:54] <claydoh> apachelogger: ewww scary scary idea :)
[19:55] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:55] <sheytan> apachelogger if you can remove the "apachelogger's log" text, i can put it on the header with good looking ubuntu font :D
[19:55] <apachelogger> I cannot
[20:02] <apachelogger> sheytan: any other ideas?
[20:02] <sheytan> apachelogger work in progress :D
[20:02] <apachelogger> oki
[20:03]  * apachelogger thinks about making a slideshow
[20:15] <sheytan> apachelogger can you link your blog where you wrote about the template?
[20:15] <apachelogger> sheytan: I do not understand I am afraid
[20:16] <sheytan> apachelogger http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot79.png it's a shot of you blog. Can you link me there? :D
[20:16] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://apachelog.wordpress.com
[20:16] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/782/headervi.png
[20:17] <sheytan> apachelogger i don't see the post about the template
[20:17] <apachelogger> sheytan: because it aint not published yet
[20:17] <sheytan> ooooh
[20:17] <sheytan> and how do you like the banner? :D
[20:18] <apachelogger> let me try it
[20:19] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/kubuntu-presentation-template/
[20:19] <apachelogger> sheytan: very nice
[20:20] <apachelogger> I think we can leave it at that
[20:20] <sheytan> yeah :D
[20:24] <apachelogger> http://kde-files.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Presentation+Template?content=133862
[20:25] <shtylman> apachelogger: the logo in the bg behind text is not good :)
[20:26] <apachelogger> there is worse things I think ^^
[20:26] <shtylman> don't want to distract people by putting clutter behind text
[20:26] <apachelogger> let me swap the screenie real quick
[20:26] <shtylman> there is.. but when you have the control.. might as well fix it :)
[20:26] <shtylman> less = more
[20:26] <sheytan> shtylman we've got a version without the logo, too
[20:27] <shtylman> also.. the upper right corner
[20:27] <shtylman> the actual kubuntu logo fades away cause of what is behind it
[20:28] <shtylman> the three leading glowing balls I like.. the one in the upper corner.. dunno
[20:28] <shtylman> (btw this is all opinionated critique) ..
[20:28] <shtylman> so feel free to ignore what you think
[20:29] <shtylman> also.. if you put a black glow behind the kubuntu logo text and button I think you will find it might standout a bit better
[20:29] <shtylman> from the bg
[20:29] <shtylman> but not too much shadow
[20:29] <sheytan> you know there isn't a perfect design that will make everyone happy ;P
[20:29] <shtylman> just enough to give contour
[20:30] <shtylman> sheytan: sure there is :)
[20:30] <apachelogger> yeah orange dots :P
[20:30] <sheytan> shtylman what is it? :D
[20:30] <apachelogger> everyone likes orange dots
[20:31] <apachelogger> well, except for apachelogger maybe
[20:31] <apachelogger> but he is a ranting old geezer anyway 
[20:31] <sheytan> orange doesn't fit well with all colors ;P
[20:32] <shtylman> what orange dots?
[20:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: that is why you only use orange dots + white :P
[20:33] <apachelogger> shtylman: you bun too orange dots ;)
[20:33] <apachelogger> I have yet to figure out why but the canonical design team is all crazy about dots
[20:34] <shtylman> I don't really find they are all that crazy about dots
[20:36] <apachelogger> dude, count the dots in their design papers :P
[20:36] <shtylman> haha
[20:36] <shtylman> well.. they picked a texture style
[20:36] <shtylman> and are working on using it
[20:36] <shtylman> one image is much better than 100's
[20:36] <apachelogger> as I said
[20:36] <apachelogger> orange dots :P
[20:38] <apachelogger> sheytan: thanks for your work
[20:39] <sheytan> apachelogger you're welcome ;)
[20:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you happen to know who is responsible for the stream setup for UDS?
[20:41] <apachelogger> I would like to update my amarok script in somewhat timely manner
[20:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, but I suspect jussi knows.
[20:42] <apachelogger> jussi: ^^^^
[20:42] <jussi> yeah, its canonical sysadmins
[20:43] <apachelogger> jussi: how to best go about contacting?
[20:43] <jussi> ng and co iirc
[20:43] <jussi> #canonical-sysadmin I guess
[20:57] <apachelogger> http://blip.tv/file/3680506?utm_source=player_embedded oh dear oh dear
[21:54] <CIA-116> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101019205425-9m7s33g1dq9ony8d * debian/changelog Fix changelog
[22:19] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I'm merging kdeedu right now, Debian hasn't split cros into librocslib4 and librocslib-dev
[22:20] <debfx> is it worth keeping them (there are no reverse (build-)deps)?
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> There's overhead either way, so we might as well keep them. They aren't too maintenance-heavy
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> as long as they're providing a proper ABI/API (bumping .so version when necessary, etc) having a dev/lib split is technically proper
[22:29] <Riddell> I'd (almost) always favour merging packages to match what debian has
[22:30] <debfx> I have my doubts about the api compatibility
[22:31] <debfx> is the lib actually useful for other applications?
[22:32] <Riddell> if there's no rdepends it's not an issue
[22:33] <Lex79> debfx: Debian has kdeedu 4.5.1 in git?
[22:34] <debfx> yes but then dropping the package is also not an issue
[22:34] <debfx> Lex79: yes
[22:35] <Lex79> debfx: follow Debian, there are no rdepends outside kdeedu
[22:44] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187617 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp SVN_SILENT: Boolean style tweaks
[23:08] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187630 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Wasn't really thinking when I committed this the first time around...