[00:16] <standforth> I just joined this channel and want to see how it works. I'll be joining Ubuntu Beginners Team but right now still getting everything set up on Launchpad, etc.
[00:35] <maheanuu> IaOrana Ia Oe, Hello to all.
[00:36] <maheanuu> I am not entirely a beginner, but at present I have just about enough knowledge to be damn dangerous
[00:38] <maheanuu> I started out over 6 months ago using Mepis, then changed to Ubuntu 9.04, then 10.04 and then to Ubuntu Studio 10.04 and now I have switched to 10.10 and the troubles have avalanched to say the least
[00:40] <maheanuu> I just upgraded to 10.10 and now when I go to my main menu then places and try to click on the home folder I get the movie player trying to open the folder?  I am lost  as I cannot seem to find out how to see if there is anything causing this problem
[00:42] <maheanuu> hello!!!  is anyone here?
[01:00] <johnny77> is there a way to load applications based on environment?
[01:05] <johnny77> cheri703: had a little scare this afternoon with my revised UNR. Basically I learned by fixing my screwup.
[01:05] <Cheri703> oh?
[01:07] <johnny77> Yeah, I made it so I booted up into nothing. And I had it auto login so I had to go to terminal to fix it... fun stuff.
[01:07] <johnny77> If I have it set to auto login, how do I change it so I have to login?
[01:08] <Cheri703> system > administration > login screen
[01:08]  * Cheri703 had to do that this morning ;)
[01:10] <shahan> .
[01:44] <johnny77> Is there any way that I can have an application load at startup depending on which environment I'm loading?
[01:47] <aveilleux> johnny77: No.
[01:48] <johnny77> Not trying to argue, but then how does kubuntu know not to load unity, which is only loaded when I log into UNR?
[01:48] <aveilleux> johnny77: Unity is an interface built in to GNOME, afaik. If you have it installed then it loads. There's a setting to turn Unity off, but that's about it.
[01:53] <johnny77> where is the setting to turn unity off?
[01:54] <aveilleux> johnny77: To be honest I have no idea.
[02:34] <Vinny_M_P> has anyone set up a HP printer through a print server?
[02:37] <Cheri703> yes...but windows + hp = meh when trying to do network printer
[02:37] <Cheri703> ubuntu is fine with it
[02:40] <Vinny_M_P> yes but for some reason I can't get it to work with 64 bit
[02:41] <Cheri703> hmm...I don't know anything about 64 bit
[02:41] <aveilleux> Vinny_M_P: Did you install hplip?
[02:41] <Vinny_M_P> yes.
[02:42] <Vinny_M_P> I have no problem with 32 bit only 64 bit
[02:45] <aveilleux> Vinny_M_P: If you want to converse privately with me, use a standard PM. Don't use DCC.
[02:45] <Vinny_M_P> opps
[02:46] <Vinny_M_P> sorry still learning Chatzilla first time
[03:43] <Mzpopiasaiel> hi
[04:01] <SlayersZ> :D
[04:52] <jesss> How do I move the window buttons over to the right side?
[04:52] <Cheri703> I just did that the other day!
[04:53] <Cheri703> would you rather I type it here or direct you to a blog post?
[04:53] <jesss> Blog post thanks!
[04:53] <Cheri703> one sec
[04:53] <aveilleux> http://minimal-desktop.blogspot.com/2010/10/moving-minimize-maximize-close-buttons.html
[04:54] <Cheri703> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[04:54] <Cheri703> or that ;)
[04:54] <Cheri703> aveilleux: you stole my thunder!
[04:54] <aveilleux> Aww.
[04:54]  * Cheri703 pouts
[04:54] <Cheri703> that was one I knew!
[04:54] <Cheri703> there are only so many of those
[04:54] <Cheri703> ;)
[08:49] <sebsebseb> Hi
[09:38] <shahan> there is a command like "sudo taskshell"  (but its not working)
[09:39] <bioterror> tasksel
[09:39] <bioterror> if that's the one you're looking for
[09:41] <shahan> bioterror: Its not working .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/516155/
[09:43] <bioterror> shahan, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel this is the one you're after for?
[09:43] <shahan> bioterror: yes... but its not working on MAverick Meerkat
[09:45] <bioterror> shahan, sudo apt-get install tasksel
[09:48] <shahan> bioterror: tnx :) Its working now :)
[09:49] <bioterror> np ;)
[10:36] <shahan_> AbhiJit: Welcome :)
[10:37] <AbhiJit> hi shadeslayer
[10:37] <AbhiJit> hi shahan
[10:38] <AbhiJit> i was searching you from last 2 days where were you?
[10:38] <shahan_> AbhiJit: What happened?
[10:40] <AbhiJit> shahan, can you document your ibus adventure in maverick in ubu forum?
[10:42] <shahan> AbhiJit: sure
[10:42] <AbhiJit> ok
[10:43] <shahan> I am making it within 5 mins
[10:43] <shahan> but where will I publish?
[10:43] <shahan> AbhiJit: come on to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[10:43] <AbhiJit> just ceate new thread
[10:46] <tdn> How do I copy a DVD?
[13:19] <anshrpr1> hi
[13:20] <shahan> anshrpr1: hello :) Welcome to the ubuntu community
[13:20] <anshrpr1> yupp
[13:20] <anshrpr1> i'm new to ubuntu
[13:21] <shahan> anshrpr1: hmm... nice to meet you
[13:21] <shahan> anshrpr1: you can introduce yourself with us
[13:21] <anshrpr1> actually m lukin for a sol here
[13:22] <shahan> anshrpr1: sol means solution, right?
[13:22] <anshrpr1> shahan : yupp
[13:22] <anshrpr1> shahan : m havin prob with WLAN
[13:23] <shahan> anshrpr1: ok... dont feel shame to ask the question here.... just ask the question. and wait until anyone answer the question
[13:23] <anshrpr1> shahan : ok take a luk at this
[13:23] <anshrpr1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/516214/
[13:26] <shahan> Hope someone who is specialist on networking can help anshrpr1
[13:26] <anshrpr1> ok thnx btw
[13:26] <shahan> anshrpr1: btw? what does it mean?
[13:26] <anshrpr1> by dthe way
[13:27] <shahan> anshrpr1: please use full form of the words.....
[13:28] <anshrpr1> shahan : ok
[13:35] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[13:37] <shahan> Silver_Fox_: Hello :)
[13:37] <Silver_Fox_> Hello shahan .
[13:37] <shahan> Silver_Fox_: nice to meet you :)
[13:38] <Silver_Fox_> Are you still having problems understanding kernal versions shahan  ?
[13:38] <Silver_Fox_> I hope it was resolved :)
[13:38] <shahan> Silver_Fox_: ya... its solved...
[13:39] <Silver_Fox_> I am glad.
[13:39] <Silver_Fox_> How has your day gone shahan  ?
[13:40] <shahan> come on #ubuntu-beginners-team   we can chat there :)
[14:22] <johnny77> not trying to spam, but not getting any responses from the Kubuntu channel. Does anyone know kubuntu?
[14:23] <Mohan_chml> johnny77: #kubuntu is not responding?
[14:24] <johnny77> no one is answering my question. maybe no one there knows the answer. Just thought i'd ask here.
[14:24] <Mohan_chml> shoot it
[14:24]  * Mohan_chml has google on his side ;)
[14:24]  * JoeMaverickSett has his google-fu up by 1% ;)
[14:25] <Mohan_chml> O_o
[14:25]  * JoeMaverickSett meant *had*
[14:26] <johnny77> I'm in the latest kubuntu netbook version. On the search and launch screen, at the top there are four icons: rekong, kmail, system settings & dolphin. Is there a way to add other launchers to this area?
[14:27] <johnny77> I have a screenchot if that will help. but i don't know how to send it. :)
[14:27] <Mohan_chml> johnny77: use tinypic
[14:30] <johnny77> http://i54.tinypic.com/105rzia.jpg
[14:31] <Mohan_chml> johnny77: is the dragging and dropping the icons option is not available?
[14:31] <Mohan_chml> shadeslayer: ping
[14:31] <shadeslayer> pong
[14:32] <Mohan_chml> shadeslayer: Kubuntu help needed
[14:32] <shadeslayer> ok... whats up?
[14:32] <Mohan_chml> scroll up and read johnny77's query
[14:32] <shadeslayer> ah backlog?
[14:32] <shadeslayer> right
[14:33] <shadeslayer> johnny77: 1) i dont see rekonq in that list :P
[14:34] <johnny77> yeah, i figured out how to remove them. ;)
[14:34] <johnny77> drag and drop from the menu?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> that or, push the star thingy
[14:35] <johnny77> what star thingy?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> you hover over a app, and theres a star on the top left
[14:36] <shadeslayer> for eg. search dragon, and hover over it, youll see a star
[14:36] <shadeslayer> or go to internet -> hover over konqueror
[14:38] <johnny77> ok, got the star thingy. Thank you.
[14:40] <shadeslayer> no problem
[14:43] <Mohan_chml> johnny77: "One day one question". right?? :P
[14:44] <johnny77> mohan_chml: I already used my one question? oh, man!
[14:45] <Mohan_chml> johnny77: change the above to "One day at-least one question" :d
[15:21] <johnny77> need to reboot. If I keep poking around in things, I'm surely gonna mess up something. :)
[15:39] <johnny77> shadeslayer: I have another problem. When I first logged into Kubuntu, it told me i had an error with a menu applet. Now it's gone, it there any way to try and restore this to the panel?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> johnny77: is this a clean install or upgrade?
[15:40] <johnny77> shadeslayer: I have Ubuntu and installed Kubuntu from it using the Software center. Hope that answers your question.
[15:41] <shadeslayer> oh... hmm
[15:41] <shadeslayer> johnny77: can you open synaptic and install "kubuntu-desktop"
[15:41] <shadeslayer> im not sure software center pulled in everything
[15:42] <johnny77> shadeslayer: can I do that within Kubuntu?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:42] <shadeslayer> press alt+F2 > type "Kpackagekit"
[15:43] <shadeslayer> and then in the search bar at the top type : kubuntu-desktop
[15:43] <shadeslayer> or just click here : apt://kubuntu-desktop
[15:44] <johnny77> shadeslayer: If it makes a difference, I installed the netbook version.
[15:44] <shadeslayer> no it doesnt :)
[15:45] <shadeslayer> rather ... it shouldnt... since plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook are merged now
[15:45] <johnny77> shadeslayer: ok, I'm there, but it only says remove. How would I reinstall?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> hmm.. ok, no need to re-install
[15:47] <shadeslayer> johnny77: can you imagebin the problem?
[15:49] <johnny77> shadeslayer: I don't think so. When I first logged in there was a little button in the very top left corner of the screen that said "menu." It then gave me an error and now it's gone. Sorry I do not remember the error.
[15:50] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[15:50] <johnny77> Shadeslayer: Can't duplicate the error either because it does not appear to be trying to load it anymore.
[15:50] <shadeslayer> johnny77: can you check if plasma-widget-menubar is installed
[15:50] <Verminator> how long is it before a ppa gets placed into the official ubuntu repositories?
[15:51] <shadeslayer> Verminator: never
[15:52] <Verminator> shadeslayer: never?  then how does the changes get into he repository if the package is already in the repository?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> johnny77: id also suggest upgrading to kde 4.5.2 if you havent already
[15:52] <aveilleux> Verminator, You mean the changes in the PPA, not the PPA itself
[15:52] <shadeslayer> ^ that is a different thing :D
[15:53] <aveilleux> Verminator, If there is a piece of software you need to install from a PPA, apt-get or aptitude or Synaptic will automatically defer to the PPA.
[15:53] <Verminator> aveilleux, shadeslayer: sorry guess I should have been more clear.  Yes, the changes in the ppa.
[15:53] <shadeslayer> now those changes could be in the repos using : 1) A SRU, wherein the package is uploaded to $DIST-proposed
[15:53] <aveilleux> Verminator, Since usually the PPA has the newer version, and apt always wants the newest version
[15:53] <shadeslayer> 2) A Backport, then the packages get into $DIST-backports
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Verminator: yes, versoning packages keeps you with the latest packages
[15:54] <shadeslayer> so, 1.0-0ubuntu1 is always greater than 1.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[15:55] <shadeslayer> packagers keep that in mind :)
[15:55] <johnny77> shadeslayer: yes, plasma-widget-menubar is installed. I just installed Kubuntu a couple days ago, But how do you check version number?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> johnny77: open any app > Help > About KDE
[15:56] <Verminator> ok, so if I understand this correctly.  I can either add the ppa to my repo list, or it may be placed in the backports repo?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> no no no
[15:56] <shadeslayer> Verminator: each ppa is a repo on its own
[15:56] <aveilleux> Verminator, No. The repos get updated periodically.
[15:57] <shadeslayer> the official repos ship packages thoroughly tested whereas PPA packages are vulnerable
[15:57] <aveilleux> Verminator, If there's a PPA for a package that's already in the Ubuntu repos (for example, chromium-browser) then the PPA will always be newer than the official repo, so you should add the PPA if you need the newest software. I do that for WINE.
[15:57] <aveilleux> shadeslayer, I've never found that to be true.
[15:57] <shadeslayer> aveilleux: not necessarily, sometimes archives have a bigger version
[15:57] <aveilleux> shadeslayer, PPAs don't really have a set criteria, but they're generally stable packages
[15:58] <shadeslayer> aveilleux: no thats so not true, you cant expect to be on a chromium daily build and be stable :)
[15:58] <aveilleux> shadeslayer, Only if you use chromium-beta
[15:58] <aveilleux> shadeslayer, I've never had an instability issue with chromium daily
[15:58] <shadeslayer> and then theres the issue of trust, only add the ppa if you know you can trust the packager to not ship dangerous scripts in the packages
[15:59] <shadeslayer> aveilleux: yet :P
[15:59] <aveilleux> shadeslayer, The Ubuntu Chromium team doesn't ship unfinished code.
[15:59] <shadeslayer> and you trust them that they wont do it ^
[15:59] <shadeslayer> it == ship unfinished code
[16:00] <aveilleux> shadeslayer, I don't have to just trust them when they state it in their release policy
[16:00] <shadeslayer> they have a release policy for their ppa's ? Awesome
[16:00] <aveilleux> shadeslayer, the PPA is just the chromium dev team's way of getting their code out before the Ubuntu repos update every week or so
[16:01] <johnny77> shadeslayer: I have KDE 4.5.1, how do I upgrade?
[16:01] <shadeslayer> johnny77: we have a PPA system of getting post release KDE updates out
[16:01] <shadeslayer> johnny77: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.2
[16:01] <shadeslayer> so when kde 4.5.3 is announced please keep checking kubuntu.org :)
[16:03] <shadeslayer> aveilleux: btw that just applied to chromium, what about the 100's of other PPA's
[16:04] <shadeslayer> im pretty sure the major ones have a policy
[16:04] <aveilleux> shadeslayer, I've never seen a PPA ship unfinished code, unless it's marked "experimental".
[16:04] <aveilleux> shadeslayer, Since a PPA ships .deb files and all, and .deb files have to have compiled code in them or else they won't build
[16:05] <aveilleux> s/compiled/compilable
[16:05] <johnny77> shadeslayer: do I add the ppa to the other software in the software sources?
[16:05] <shadeslayer> johnny77: theres a whole wiki page dedicated to the process, and its linked in the page i just showed you
[16:07] <shadeslayer> aveilleux: yes thats true for most ppa's, but you have to be cautious while adding ppa's ... thats all im saying
[16:07] <Verminator> so, if I understand this correctly, adding a ppa is a calculated risk.  You get more upto date code, but it is also less thoroughly tested by the user base.  So I need to be cautious in adding new ppas to my repo list, but in general they should be safe.
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:08] <shadeslayer> Verminator: if its a well known PPA, the risk is small
[16:09] <shadeslayer> possibility is, you might even get support for those PPA's in official channels
[16:10] <Verminator> thank you both for your input.  I appreciate it.
[17:37] <johnny77> shadeslayer: I figured it out. plasma-widget-menubar was installed. I finally figured out which widget it was then it was a setting issue to get it to look the way it did.
[17:37] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:37] <shadeslayer> id say that menubar was installed but not added?
[17:37] <johnny77> shadeslayer: yup, pretty much.
[18:30] <Strategist01> Hi guys, I need a little bit of help with setting up a local IP address for my PC.
[18:31] <Strategist01> I have posted on the forums, but it's slightly slow, so...
[18:31] <Cheri703> Strategist01: what exactly are you trying to do?
[18:31] <Strategist01> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9996230#post9996230
[18:31] <Cheri703> that works :)
[18:31] <Strategist01> set a local IP for my LAN connection
[18:31] <Strategist01> all I need are details
[18:31] <Cheri703> right click on the network icon
[18:32] <Cheri703> choose "edit connections"
[18:32] <Strategist01> I don't know what my gateway or network are...
[18:32] <Cheri703> ok, go to connection information then
[18:32] <Cheri703> if you're currently on the dhcp connection
[18:32] <Strategist01> I'm using this method here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Lucid#Set_a_static_IP_address
[18:32] <Strategist01> but I haven't deleted NM...
[18:32] <Strategist01> Ok, looking
[18:33] <Strategist01> See, I don't know what my gateway is...
[18:33] <Cheri703> if you are currently connected, then the connection information should show the subnet mask and gateway
[18:34] <Cheri703> "default route" is gateway
[18:34] <Cheri703> note the primary dns as well
[18:34] <Strategist01> Oh, thatnks
[18:34] <Strategist01> I didn't know it was called that. Why don't they call it the gateway?
[18:35] <Cheri703> then you can go into the "edit connections" and choose your eth0 or whatever and to to the ipv4 settings
[18:35] <Cheri703> this is linux! why would they do it logically ;)
[18:36] <Cheri703> did that help?
[18:37] <maheanuu> IaOra good morning from Tahiti
[18:37] <Cheri703> I find it easier to use the network manager to put in the settings
[18:40] <Mohan_chml> hello maheanuu
[18:41] <maheanuu> I am having a real prob.  Seems that i screwed up royally by replacing /upgrading Ubuntu Studio 10.04 with Meerkat 10.10 yesterday..  I have for some reason,  an association going on my home folder and movie playere
[18:41] <Cheri703> someone was running into that yesterday...
[18:41] <maheanuu> that was me Cheri
[18:41] <Cheri703> as a quick test, try creating a new user and seeing if it has the same problem
[18:41] <Cheri703> oh, ok
[18:41] <Cheri703> sorry
[18:42] <maheanuu> and I got no answer yesterday, not  a problem, still trying for a solution tho
[18:44] <maheanuu> Problems or not I still am very happy that I am no longer dealing with windoze
[18:46] <maheanuu> Cheri, were you addressing me on the "creating a new user" post?
[18:47] <Cheri703> possibly
[18:48] <Cheri703> worth a try
[18:57] <Strategist01> Ok...
[18:57] <Cheri703> well, see if it does it on the new user
[18:57] <Cheri703> bah, wrong person, sorry :)
[18:57] <Cheri703> Strategist01: any luck?
[18:58] <Strategist01> Yeah, the connection is working and I can connect to the internet
[18:59] <Strategist01> I have a ststic Ip now :)
[18:59] <Cheri703> woo!
[18:59] <Cheri703> I'm glad it worked
[18:59] <Strategist01> thanks
[18:59] <Cheri703> sure
[18:59] <Cheri703> that's one area I know a bit about ;)
[19:00] <Strategist01> and I posted your explanation in the forum. They really should have a sticky which gives links/ solutions to the most common networking questions...
[19:00] <Cheri703> yeah
[19:02] <maheanuu> No Difference, and I cannot for the life of me get into the folder I want to save externally so that I can wipe the drive and start over
[19:03] <maheanuu> is there a way to get into the folders using the terminal?
[19:03] <Cheri703> can you boot into a live cd?
[19:03] <Cheri703> yes
[19:04] <maheanuu> I have the latest 10.10 burnt  but do not know if it is live or not
[19:04] <Cheri703> you can boot with the cd in, and it will give you the option to "try without installing"
[19:04] <Cheri703> you should be able to get to the folder that way
[19:05] <maheanuu> OK, lemme go away for a bit then come back to you
[19:06] <Mohan_chml> Guys. Any suggestions for audio cutter and Converter?
[19:06] <maheanuu> Thanks Cheri, and to show my thanks, I offer you some wall paper/ screen saver photos from my website if you might like to peruse them and take what ever you might like for nothing
[19:07] <Cheri703> nah, it's ok
[19:07] <Cheri703> thanks though
[19:09] <maheanuu> my site is http://mah.smugmug.com/other/anoceanapart  and it is g rated so you have no worries going there and being assaulted
[19:16] <Strategist01> cheers
[19:27] <jappie> anybody knows how  I can update evolution from 2.30.3 to 2.32 in Ubuntu 10.10?
[19:40] <maheanuu> OK Cheri, still the same problem, perhaps you can help me thru the terminal getting to the folders and removing the dependancies for the folder that keeps coming up as a movie
[19:41] <Cheri703> hmm...that I don't know much about. were you able to get the files you needed?
[19:43] <maheanuu> No, I am still hung when I run thru the following steps Menu then to Places then to Home Folder where I click and the Movie Player pops up, so I know that there is an association problem, it is just that I am not smart enough yet to remove this association
[19:44] <Cheri703> did you boot with the live cd?
[19:44] <maheanuu> I cannot boot with live CD with this disc???  In fact I cannot boot with the CD
[19:45] <Cheri703> hmm...
[19:45] <Cheri703> that's odd
[19:45] <Cheri703> that may be a bios setting
[19:46] <maheanuu> I am thinking the same thing, but I want to look at the disc properties first and make sure it is bootable
[19:46] <Cheri703> as far as I know, the general ubuntu isos are bootable
[19:46] <aveilleux> maheanuu: As long as you burned it as an image and not a file, the disc is bootable. There is no such thing as "Disc properties"
[19:47] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: your issue is similar to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010206 ??
[19:48] <maheanuu> When I go to it from the menu, it brings up movie player also.....   I am seeing the disc as  Ubuntu 10.10 64 Bit tho
[19:50] <maheanuu> I think it is an image, but just in case, I will burn another making sure it is burnt as an image
[19:50] <friTTe|> burn it in a slow speed
[19:50] <friTTe|> just to be on the safe side
[19:50] <Cheri703> I have taken to burning all OS ISOs at 4x
[19:51]  * Cheri703 works on people's OLD computers sometimes
[19:51] <friTTe|> yeah thats good
[19:51] <friTTe|> im burning them at 12 and works for me but, to be on the safe side
[19:51] <friTTe|> nothing i tell others to try
[19:52] <friTTe|> depends on the burner, min is pretty old and solid =)
[19:53] <maheanuu> This laptop is less than 2 yrs old it is a toshiba A365D-S6930
[19:54] <friTTe|> ok
[19:55] <friTTe|> and you have tried with a usb? that way you wont worry about writing failure
[19:55] <maheanuu> No I haven't  done that either
[19:56] <maheanuu> Cheri and friTTE are you both French?
[19:56] <Cheri703> I'm in the US
[19:56] <maheanuu> Cause I am.....
[19:57] <friTTe|> swedish
[19:57] <friTTe|> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010206 maheanuu
[19:57] <maheanuu> I used to be,  I immigrated to Tahiti where the weather is nicer and I am of Swedish Cherokee English and Dutch ancestry
[19:58] <friTTe|> that one is for your Menu problem
[19:58] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: had you seen the link I gave you? I think that will clear your issue. but idk. just have a look please =]
[19:58] <Mohan_chml> ty friTTe| =]
[19:58] <friTTe|> ;)
[19:58] <maheanuu> That is where I am headed now and thanks
[19:58] <friTTe|> awesome
[20:16] <maheanuu> Ok, bak  I am looking at  Varikk's fix but I am not understanding how he opened home from places as when I click on places to open, rt or left, it still opens movie player
[20:16] <maheanuu> I am not seeing dolphin
[20:17] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: his issue is that it opened with dolphin instead of nautilus
[20:17] <maheanuu> ok and mine is nautilus then?
[20:18] <Mohan_chml> yours in movie player instead of nautilus
[20:18] <Mohan_chml> is*
[20:18] <maheanuu> Then mine is the same as what PDX left had
[20:18] <maheanuu> Yes and there is no tool bar in movie player
[20:19] <maheanuu> Or JJJ as he is called
[20:20] <ehcah> Is "wget" the only option for downloading files from terminal?
[20:20] <aveilleux> ehcah: curl is also an option
[20:20] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: Okay do what I say
[20:21] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: Open up terminal and type nautilus
[20:21] <maheanuu> I will follow you exactly
[20:21] <ehcah> aveilleux: Never used curl is there a benefit of one over the other?
[20:22] <maheanuu> I am there now and it is showing my home folder exactly
[20:22] <aveilleux> ehcah: curl goes to standard output, ie. the Terminal, so if you need to grab text off a web page, or text file, or whatever, and pipe it to other programs, curl would be a good choice
[20:23] <aveilleux> ehcah: wget is just plain easier to use though
[20:23] <ehcah> aveilleux: if they are that similar, I'll stick with wget. I don't need do grab text, only the occasional file.
[20:23] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: Okay now right click and hit open with-> other application
[20:23] <aveilleux> ehcah: Probably a good idea.
[20:24] <ehcah> aveilleux: I just did a fresh build of my 10.04 LTS Server. I was having problems with it after removing ebox.
[20:24] <ehcah> go figure...
[20:24] <ehcah> :(
[20:24] <standforth> aveilleux: I got my wiki up, under standforth.
[20:25] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: there?? if so, click file manager and set it as default
[20:26] <ehcah> aveilleux:  gedit, nano or vi?  They all seem to do the same thing? Well except gedit from a non gui terminal.
[20:26] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: s/file manager/file browser
[20:26] <aveilleux> ehcah: GEdit is, obviously, the graphical text editor. nano is easier to use than vi.
[20:27] <maheanuu> I followed you but what do I right click on, I am looking at my "maheanuu" folder which is my home folder and it is showing me the files that I couldn't see before but right clicking does nothing
[20:27] <ehcah> I'm going to try build this server without installing a GUI.  LOL
[20:29] <aveilleux> ehcah: Both of my servers run in CLI mode, so I can help you with that :P
[20:31] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: right click fails?
[20:32] <Mohan_chml> even the keyboard shortcut to right click too fails?
[20:32] <maheanuu> yes right click fails and I am not able to use s/file manager/file browser
[20:32] <ehcah> aveilleux: I'm a bit apprehensive, but fear I will never gain any true knowledge of this product otherwise. "Linux Bible 2010" is probably not the best starting point.
[20:33] <maheanuu> I do not know the keyboard shortcut
[20:33] <aveilleux> ehcah: *shrug* sometimes reference guides are helpful
[20:33] <ehcah> aveilleux: good tip.
[20:34] <maheanuu> Now I am there and have open with in front of me and opened
[20:35] <ehcah> aveilleux: if the folks over on ubuntu-server could only see me sweating it out at my console right now. I'm amazed at how overly confident the basic gnome gui makes me.
[20:35] <maheanuu> should I choose file browser?
[20:36] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: yes
[20:36] <maheanuu> My major malfunction is the fact I am the only linux user in a radius of 150 miles and those are air sea miles
[20:37] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: I was in the same level before an year. Now I have 100 around me :)
[20:37] <maheanuu> Ya  did this old Chief good thanx Mohan.....
[20:37] <Mohan_chml> =]
[20:37] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: so the Issue #1 is done right?
[20:38] <maheanuu> I am a retired USN CPO and am the only Chief in French Polynesia, we usta have a navy captain on moorea, but he croaked a few years back....
[20:38] <aveilleux> ehcah: I just got used to doing everything CLI and some things are done even more efficiently (such as the ability to move all of one type of file to another directory with one command)
[20:38] <Mohan_chml> ah. great!! and maheanuu what about issue #2?
[20:39] <maheanuu> Yes and you did me very well and that is what I needed, I was trying to figure out what and where to go in terminal
[20:39] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: about Live CD
[20:40] <maheanuu> dunno yet...   gonna burn a new disk but as I couldn't get into the download files in home I was screwed now I can do what ever again
[20:40] <ehcah> should my new server host name be "apples" or "apples.ehcah.com"?
[20:40] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: what burner you used?
[20:40] <maheanuu> I am an old Field engineer from Sperry Univac mainframe days
[20:41] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: head to #ubuntu-beginners-team for offtopic and we are available there any time :)
[20:41] <maheanuu> My burner is the built in one from toshiba not sure of its mfgr or model
[20:41] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: I am asking about the application you use to write a CD
[20:42] <maheanuu> disk burner
[20:42] <aveilleux> maheanuu: What OS?
[20:42] <maheanuu> Brasero
[20:42] <maheanuu> 10.10 lts
[20:42] <maheanuu> Meerkat at present
[20:43] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: Brasero is a good tool. Just make sure the CD is written in a normal speed
[20:44] <maheanuu> There is so much that I don't know about linux and even how to ask the questions is difficult at times as I don't know how to phrase the dam things
[20:44] <Mohan_chml> maheanuu: /join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[20:45] <maheanuu> Will do, in fact I will choke it down a bit to insure it writes ok,  My upgrade was live over the net and not from the disc itself
[20:45] <maheanuu> I am gone there and thanks
[20:48] <ehcah> aveilleux: is there a "dir" command that allows a page by page view?  DOS used to be something like dir /p
[20:48] <aveilleux> ehcah: ls
[20:48] <aveilleux> ehcah: page-by-page would be ls | more
[20:50] <ehcah> aveilleux: thank you. No wonder I wasn't find the answer google'ing "dir" commands.
[20:51] <aveilleux> ehcah: Whenever I'm forced to use Windows Server I always make an alias "ls" command so I don't have to type "dir" because I always forget "dir"
[21:00] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[21:01] <bioterror> hi
[21:04] <ehcah> aveilleux: should my new server host name be "apples" or "apples.ehcah.com"?  just examples. It seems to me my last box was xyz.xyz.xyz
[21:05] <aveilleux> ehcah: The hostname is the internal name that your machine will be referenced by; it is the alphanumeric representation of your IP address. They are two (related but) separate things.
[21:05] <aveilleux> ehcah: The hostname should be a simple, one; apples would be the correct hostname in this case.
[21:07] <ehcah> aveilleux:  I couldn't remember as I've done this too many times having made soo many mistakes
[21:11] <ehcah> aveilleux: I know these questions are all over the map, but when editing the files I need to, am I better to become "root" or stay "jason" and add sudo in front of each command? Is there a difference?
[21:12] <aveilleux> ehcah: It is recommended that you stay as your user account and use sudo, simply because there's no reason to become root.
[21:12] <aveilleux> ehcah: There are ways of accessing the root account without enabling it (go figure) but the uses of this are rare
[21:13] <aveilleux> ehcah: Also if you type a command while root there's no confirmation, and that sudo can save your files
[21:14] <ehcah> aveilleux: that actually makes sense.  One of the first things I normally do on a fresh install is "su passwd". I take it, I should discontinue that practice as the user, in that sense, is not required?
[21:14] <aveilleux> ehcah: Yes, a thousand times yes.
[21:15] <aveilleux> ehcah: Having the root account enabled is a security risk.
[21:15] <ehcah> aveilleux: Can you answer the next question without my asking it?
[21:16] <aveilleux> ehcah: I don't know of any way to disable the root account; I'm sure it has something to do with editing /etc/passwd but I don't know enough about it to help you
[21:16] <ehcah> I'm not high enough risk - yet - to worry about it this second.
[21:18] <phillw> ehcah: have a read though https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[21:18] <pleia2> !root
[21:19] <ubot2> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[21:19]  * pleia2 gives ubot2 a cookie
[21:20]  * Mohan_chml looks at pleia2 with his stomach starving
[21:20] <ehcah> phillw:  wow, that was too easy to take care of right away. Thank you.
[21:20] <Mohan_chml> phillw: had you ever tried ffmpeg?
[21:21]  * pleia2 gives Mohan_chml a cookie too
[21:21] <Mohan_chml> Yay
[21:22] <ehcah> aveilleux: When you are accessing your servers from your LAN, not WAN, do you use putty?
[21:22]  * Mohan_chml goes to search cookies in real life. brb
[21:22] <aveilleux> ehcah: In Windows, yes. In Linux, it's not necessary
[21:22] <aveilleux> ehcah: SSH works the same way regardless if it's on LAN or WAN
[21:25] <ehcah> aveilleux: SSH over the WAN is my next project. I have a DYNDNS account I'll want to get working to get into my network when travelling.
[21:26] <aveilleux> ehcah: If you're going to do that, I suggest changing your SSH port
[21:26] <ehcah> aveilleux:  My question probably should been better directed.  When I'm at my laptop, and connected to my LAN.  Should I be using putty, remote desktop or does ssh have its own client?
[21:26] <aveilleux> ehcah: Well, Remote Desktop has nothing to do with SSH, so it's out
[21:27] <ehcah> I'm pretty sure I have a decent tutorial on that process bookmarked.
[21:27] <aveilleux> ehcah: and PuTTY is an SSH client so...
[21:27] <ehcah> LOL
[21:28] <ehcah> aveileux:  So the last piece of help I may need for now so I can leave my basement and go back to my office is getting SSH server up and running.
[21:28] <aveilleux> ehcah: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[21:29] <ehcah> aveilleux: in the past, I've always used some itteration of VNC, I take it don't need that with SSH?
[21:29] <aveilleux> ehcah: Nooo, VNC is unrelated to SSH.
[21:29] <aveilleux> ehcah: Look into using the "screen" program, while you're at it
[21:30] <ehcah> aveilleux: I had installed openssh-server from the ISO.
[21:30] <ehcah> aveilleux:  Is "screen" part of ssh?
[21:31] <aveilleux> ehcah: No, but it's a tool that can let you leave programs running if you need to log out (exiting your SSH session kills all of your currently-running programs)
[21:32] <ehcah> aveilleux:  I knew I had heard of that. I have that installed my "unraid" NAS box for adding new disk and walking away until they are properly formatted etc...
[21:36] <m0menti> Hello! I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my laptop, but I can't get pass step 8 "Enter your login and password details."! I can't press the NEXT button, and it just says "When you're ready..." in the bottom of the window... Help?
[21:38] <aveilleux> m0menti: Does yoru username have uppercase characters or start with a number?
[21:43] <ehcah> aveilleux:  In the real world, is it really feasible to use on SSH key's to connect?  In the future, I may wish to access my server to get a file or something from a desktop not already familliar to me.  The second part is that I'll want our kids and my wife to be able to back up their devices to our NAS.  Although, I may confusing SSH and a Backup solution?
[21:43] <Mohan_chml> m0menti: you there?
[21:43] <ehcah> aveilleux: should read only use...
[21:43] <aveilleux> ehcah: First, SSH keys are required for SSH use, so I don't know what you're talking about there
[21:44] <aveilleux> ehcah: You just hit "accept" and you're allowed to connect
[21:44] <ehcah> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
[21:44] <ehcah> aveilleux: it reccomends disabling passwords.
[21:44] <aveilleux> ehcah: Second, SSH has nothing to do with backing files up
[21:44] <aveilleux> ehcah: I do not recommend disabling passowords.
[21:45] <uchobby> could they mean disabling passwords in favor of SSH keys?
[21:45] <uchobby> so you have to have a key to log in?
[21:45] <aveilleux> ehcah: I figured that
[21:45] <aveilleux> uchobby: *
[21:46] <ehcah> I guess I won't answer that one!  ;)
[21:46] <aveilleux> ehcah, uchobby: But in this instance it's unfeasible, since as ehcah mentioned they would need to be able to access the system from an unknown machine, and making public/private key pairs for Windows machines is obnoxious.
[21:47]  * uchobby nods
[21:47] <ehcah> aveilleux, uchobby:  The flip side is using a 647 character password?   LOL
[21:48] <aveilleux> ehcah: ...what's the purpose of that? Both of my servers run with standard password authentication; the best (and simplest) defense against SSH cracking is to simply change the SSH port.
[21:48] <uchobby> I've generated keys for SSH on Windows, was not hard, I've not finished setting up my Linux SSH to use these keys though
[21:49] <ehcah> aveilleux:  I may disable password for now, until I get comfortable with the setup.  Who know's what other security risk's I will open before I'm through....  I'm trying to remember it the windows and ubuntu putty clients allow you to specify a port other than 22.
[21:50] <ehcah> aveilleux: Is this also a case where you are best to use a higher port than 900?
[21:50] <ehcah> at least I think I remember reading something about that?
[21:50] <aveilleux> ehcah: I know for a fact that all SSH clients allow you to specify port numbers. Also, yes. You should never use a custom port number below 1024.
[21:50] <aveilleux> ehcah: Since everything below that is for reserved processes
[21:51] <ehcah> There goes 666 for me!
[21:51] <ehcah> I am dying here.
[21:51] <aveilleux> ehcah: The two ports I chose (two different servers) have significant meaning to me, as well, so I can't forget them
[21:53] <ehcah> aveilleux: Should I be checking if a port number above 1024 is in usage before assigning it?  Or do something like some other waunky applications do and use 12000?
[21:53] <ehcah> I won't - BTW - I'll be more discrete than that!  ;)
[21:54] <aveilleux> eh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers
[21:54] <aveilleux> ehcah: Just make sure the port you want to use isn't going to be used by anything else -- for example, if it's a game port number then who cares -- and if it's not even used then yay
[21:55] <aveilleux> ehcah: You'll be more separate than that? (I think you mean "discreet" :P )
[21:55] <ehcah> aveilleux:  Ok, that makes sense.  I have a different URL bookmarked, but yours is better!
[21:56] <ehcah> aveilleux:  I guess I should pay attention to underlined words even in xchat.  :)
[21:57] <ehcah> aveilleux:  Seeing as how this box is going to be providing DHCP and basic DNS to everyone within my house....  Which firewall do I do the forwarding on?  Ubuntu or Telco gateway?  Or, both?
[21:58] <aveilleux> ehcah: Your server is running DHCP? Why not let the router do that?
[21:58] <aveilleux> ehcah: also, afaik there is not Ubuntu firewall installed by default
[21:59] <ibuclaw> ehcah, You'd port forward on the Gateway.
[21:59] <ehcah> aveilleux:  My telco box doesn't like play nice with assigned static IP's. I also like to create a name record for my devices so I can get to them using something like http://router  rather than the full IP.
[22:00] <ehcah> I believe ubuntu does have a firewall installed in my configuration, which I did not install separately.  Whether it's enabled or not, I have not checked.
[22:01] <aveilleux> ehcah: I've never seen or heard of a firewall that ships with Ubuntu apart from iptables, and that needs configuration and doesn't run automatically
[22:01] <ibuclaw> The firewall on Linux is 'built-in', but as a default setting, no rules have been configured; all ports are closed (but not blocked).
[22:02] <ehcah> thanks folks.
[22:02] <ibuclaw> aveilleux, you mean it doesn't configure itself automatically on every boot.
[22:03] <aveilleux> ibuclaw: Yes, that.
[22:03] <ibuclaw> for simple usage. You'd have another program take care of it.
[22:03] <ibuclaw> ufw is usually the advertised program for ubuntu =)
[22:08] <m0menti> aveilleux: THANK YOU SO MUCH!
[22:08] <aveilleux> m0menti: You're welcome
[22:09] <m0menti> I'm sorry I didn't reply sooner
[22:10] <ehcah> aveilleux:  SSH works. Cool.  This is the first time I have been able to connect to my server without leaving myself logged in on the console.
[22:12] <ehcah> aveilleux:  Before I leave the dungeon. Is there anything else I should install from the console?
[22:12] <aveilleux> ehcah: None that I can think up off the top of my head
[22:23] <phillw> ehcah: be careful how you set up ssh, I got royally hacked and tunelled through by missing one simple step.
[22:25] <ehcah> phillw:  For my own information, do you mind sharing which step?
[22:25] <phillw> ehcah: have a good read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
[22:26] <phillw> I did not disable root login
[22:26] <phillw> took 4 hours to be hacked.
[22:27] <ehcah> phillw:  Nice.  First thing I did after you gave the URL earlier was disable the root acccount I had enabled.  I'm going to go back into SSH_config and make sure it is disabled there also.
[22:28] <phillw> It would advised to read what bohdi has posted at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=338
[22:32] <ehcah> phillw:  Is changing PermitRootLogin to "no" the only change necessary.  I missed that altogether and figured that since I disabled the root user account I'd be fine.
[22:33] <phillw> that was the one I missed :(
[22:33] <ehcah> phillw:  It doesn't take much.
[22:34] <Mohan_chml> phillw: you should have told me before. so that I walso would have google to how to sneak into yours :P
[22:34] <phillw> ehcah: with that and the other stuff advised, you should be fairly secure.
[22:34] <Mohan_chml> s/walso/also
[22:34] <ehcah> philw:  My goal for this build is to stay away from a GUI install altogether.
[22:35] <phillw> Mohan_chml: I no longer run a server on piglet
[22:35] <ehcah> Is there a limit to the number of digits a port can be?  Ie... Port 123456789  ?
[22:37] <ehcah> aveilleux:  I'm certainly far from a hacker, but are you certain that changing the default port and using a normal password is still secure?  The only reason I ask is that I though hackers often scanned for open ports during an attack?
[22:37] <aveilleux> ehcah: Knowing the port number and knowing what it does are two different things.
[22:37] <ehcah> aveilleux: true dat!
[22:42] <earthling_> I selected xterm mode from system-preferences-screen login settings, how do I get back into gnome?
[22:43] <earthling_> I do exit and it goes to login screen, but when I log in it keeps goes to xterm
[22:45] <standforth> earlthing: There should be a session tab on the bottom panel that let's you select gnome.
[22:45] <standforth> After you select user but before loggin in.
[22:46] <earthling_> I don't see any session tab on the login screen
[22:46] <standforth> If you click on the username, when the password field is brought up?
[22:47] <earthling_> ooh ok
[22:47] <earthling_> it shows up after I click on username
[22:47] <earthling_> thanks
[22:47] <earthling_> who would of thought it would appear like that, :)
[22:48] <standforth> I didn't. Just tracked this down myself yessterday.
[22:49] <earthling_> when I went to login I didn't even notice it showing up at the bottom
[22:49] <earthling_> heh
[22:52] <earthling_> so what is gnome failsafe mode for?
[22:53] <earthling_> is that without certain drivers?
[22:54] <aveilleux> earthling_: If X fails to start, es
[22:54] <aveilleux> yes*
[22:56] <earthling_> x means a generic desktop environment like gnome or kde?
[22:56] <aveilleux> earthling_: X is the system that handles the graphical environment. GNOME and KDE are windowing systems, meaning they make that environment pretty.
[22:57] <earthling_> so gnome and kde use the same x system?
[22:57] <aveilleux> earthling_: Yes, almost all Linux systems use X.org at their base for windowing.
[22:58] <earthling_> oh ok
[23:41] <duanedesign> s
[23:41] <blueskies> hi