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| hicham | usb-creator doc is in ubuntu-docs package ? | 00:47 |
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| GanonKiller | were gps drivers made for meerkat? | 02:13 |
| persia | There are usually some in the archive. I'm unsure how heavily tested they are. I would expect maverick to have slightly more coverage than lucid in that regard. | 02:15 |
| persia | I'd recommend either asking in #ubuntu for your specific hardware, or testing your specific hardware with a LiveCD, and if it doesn't work, filing a bug and following up in #ubuntu-bugs. | 02:15 |
| GanonKiller | #ubuntu aint helping.. too many people | 02:18 |
| GanonKiller | thats why i was asking if any were developed... i have a old PCMCIA GPS Card | 02:20 |
| RAOF | The easiest way to find out is to boot a 10.10 live cd, and see if it's detected. | 02:21 |
| persia | I don't know which GPS chipsets happen to be supported, and this isn't a support channel. Really, your best bet is test with a LiveCD, and if it doesn't work, report a bug and use that as a place to discuss getting support working. | 02:21 |
| GanonKiller | am looking on support sites.. but no luck | 02:22 |
| ion | Hardy herons? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yu-22ZXfW0E/TKZtXqQ54SI/AAAAAAAAAnI/80V_hfVFN7c/s1600/herons.jpg | 03:01 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:16 |
| ajmitch | morning pitti | 06:19 |
| micahg | python-numpy is FTBFS because it now use python-matlibplot to buildk the docs, is it better to make an MIR for matlibplot and its build-deps or to not build the docs (or another option)? | 06:49 |
| persia | micahg, if doing an MIR would increase the install-time set, it needs real thought. If it's just the build-time set, it's worth looking through the MIR process, and if there's no obvious reason the package would fail, process the MIR. | 07:05 |
| micahg | persia: the doc is only suggests, so no install-time issue, but matlibplot has a lot of universe build-deps | 07:07 |
| persia | Worth a look. | 07:07 |
| persia | The MIR process is mostly so that we know anything in main has an acceptable level of maintenance effort and can sanely receive security support. | 07:08 |
| micahg | persia: so that means going through each of the build deps and looking if they require a lot of universe packages? how much recursion is too much in this case? | 07:08 |
| persia | We, alas, don't have any process to *ensure* things stay that way, but that's different. | 07:08 |
| persia | And we probably need a new way to handle "code-review-passed" in the face of Archive Reorganisation anyway. | 07:09 |
| persia | micahg, recurse to the point of frustration. If you're still motivated enough to keep doing it, you aren't doing too much. | 07:09 |
| persia | As soon as it feels like it's not worth it, it's probably not. | 07:09 |
| micahg | I guess 14 packages doesn't look so bad and some of them are probably from the same source | 07:11 |
| persia | Note that it's worth considering that all of them will need at least a code review and security review: it may take a while. | 07:13 |
| dholbach | Good morning! | 07:54 |
| lifeless | cjwatson: +1 on libpipeline | 08:07 |
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| cjwatson | lifeless: :-) | 08:29 |
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| mvk | how do we get into Ubuntu/Kubuntu development, we would like to add geolocation to the timezone screen for the installation | 09:30 |
| mvk | so we need to modify the 'setup', were do we start? | 09:30 |
| mvk | this here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization says that its 'The process of customizing or "remastering" Ubuntu installation CDs is not especially complex, but it is a little tedious and finicky.' | 09:30 |
| mvk | but we need to create a production stable image after modification! | 09:31 |
| mvk | how does one commit patches for the ubuntu-installation? | 09:40 |
| apw | mvk, normally you need to find the package within which the changes are to be and add the patches to that package | 09:48 |
| mvk | hi | 09:48 |
| mvk | apw: what packages does the installer (screens) reside in? | 09:48 |
| apw | mvk, (not being an expert on that side I am guessing some) but that might be casper | 09:49 |
| mvk | do they even exist in the repos | 09:49 |
| mvk | or just on the cd images | 09:49 |
| apw | everything on the CD is in the archive in a package | 09:49 |
| mvk | (extracked, i doubt they are .deb packages) | 09:49 |
| apw | (as far as i know) | 09:49 |
| mvk | ow | 09:50 |
| apw | mvk, i would suspect the people who know are hanging out on #ubuntu-installer | 09:51 |
| mvk | now thats a nice pointer, thanks apw | 09:51 |
| apw | mvk we try | 09:51 |
| apw | mvk, one does sometimes have to be patient, the team may be US based for instance | 09:53 |
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| TLE | pitti: Hey. David and I were discussing that we would like to create some guidelines for how language teams can request a manual language pack update. The actual requests should be probably be in the form of a bugreport and of course it requires that you get informed somehow. | 13:11 |
| TLE | pitti: so the questions is, against which package do you think these bug reports should be files? | 13:11 |
| TLE | pitti: and can we find one where you will automatically be subscribed? | 13:12 |
| TLE | s/be files/be filed/ | 13:12 |
| rsFF | hello there | 13:46 |
| rsFF | where do the package dgbsyms for the kernel installs | 13:46 |
| rsFF | since the gdb is not automaticly loading the symbols | 13:46 |
| rsFF | i used to use vmlinux for that | 13:46 |
| rsFF | but after i found out that ddebs were provides i tried to use them | 13:47 |
| rsFF | but i cannot find it | 13:47 |
| kklimonda | rsFF: dpkg -L <package> will give you the list of packages. Debug symbols are installed in /usr/lib/debug/ | 13:50 |
| persia | ddebs.ubuntu.com | 13:50 |
| rsFF | yeah i already installed | 13:50 |
| kklimonda | there is for example /usr/lib/debug/boot/vmlinux-2.6.35-22-generic and /usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/... | 13:50 |
| rsFF | hummm | 13:51 |
| rsFF | i think that should do it | 13:51 |
| rsFF | thanks | 13:53 |
| TLE | afk 20 min | 13:54 |
| pitti | TLE: you should assign "ubuntu-langpack" to the bug (or subscribe); the actual package isn't that important, it could be any language-pack-* or the langpack-o-matic project | 14:01 |
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| jdstrand | pitti: hi! I was wondering if there was anything else needed from me re bug #660077 | 14:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 660077 in apparmor (Ubuntu Maverick) "update AppArmor to 2.5.1 (for upstream and backported maverick kernels)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660077 | 14:44 |
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| jdstrand | (it is still waiting for approval) | 14:45 |
| pitti | jdstrand: didn't get to review it yet; this makes me horribly nervous, though | 14:45 |
| pitti | so I don't just want to wave it through, but read the diff | 14:45 |
| pitti | this has such a huge regression potential | 14:45 |
| jdstrand | pitti: in terms of abstractions, it should be fine. I was very careful on those | 14:45 |
| pitti | right, but also for kernel<->userspace ABI or version expectancies, etc. | 14:46 |
| jdstrand | pitti: jj-afk can speak at length on all of that | 14:47 |
| jdstrand | pitti: but the upstream changes were very conservative to not break things like that. but certainly, I am not trying to rush you. I just want to make sure you have everything you need | 14:48 |
| pitti | yes, I think I do | 14:48 |
| pitti | (except enough time for the SRU queue.. :) ) | 14:48 |
| jdstrand | heh | 14:48 |
| pitti | still have a couple of bugs for OEM which I need to get done this week | 14:48 |
| pitti | next week -> back to platform :) | 14:48 |
| jdstrand | pitti: (this is actually needed for an oem thing as well, since you mention it) | 14:49 |
| jdstrand | pitti: but please talk to jj-afk if you have questions. he is extrememly familiar with these patches, the hows/whys, etc, etc | 14:49 |
| pitti | okay, thanks | 14:50 |
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| TLE | pitti: ok thanks | 15:06 |
| jdstrand | pitti: oh, one other thing. I plan to run the -proposed apparmor packages on several production systems and have committments from sbeattie and jj-afk on verifying the -proposed packages as well | 15:19 |
| jdstrand | (that is in addition to all the testing I said I would do in the bug) | 15:19 |
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| avinashhm | hi, is there any tool or script to remove dos line endings for a patch ??? | 15:41 |
| micahg | avinashhm: vi can do it, I don't remember the command offhand | 15:42 |
| avinashhm | micahg, yep tried :s/^M//g .. this worked .. thanks micahg | 15:44 |
| micahg | avinashhm: actually, vi can just modify the line endings, but as they say in the Perl world TMTOWTDI | 15:45 |
| avinashhm | whats TMTOWTDI ?? | 15:45 |
| ogra_ac | GIYF | 15:45 |
| ogra_ac | :) | 15:46 |
| avinashhm | ogra_ac, yeah ... theres more than one way because of google :-) | 15:46 |
| ogra_ac | hehe | 15:46 |
| micahg | avinashhm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_more_than_one_way_to_do_it | 15:47 |
| avinashhm | micahg, thanks .... got it ..:-) | 15:47 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: could you please release webkit for lucid and maverick so I can publish a USN? Thanks! (LP: #660075) | 16:02 |
| pitti | mdeslaur: will do, thanks for testing | 16:07 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: thanks! | 16:07 |
| pitti | mdeslaur: done | 16:10 |
| micahg | pitti: could you please accept gnome-shell in lucid-proposed? | 16:14 |
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| ari-tczew | cjwatson: is it possible to create a special blacklist for merge-o-matic to prevent showing merges? e.g. it's necessary for chromium-browser | 16:43 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: ping | 16:49 |
| ximion_ | I created a Debian package for packagekit, which will be present in Debian soon. | 16:49 |
| ximion_ | This package is a little bit different from the current one present in Ubuntu. | 16:50 |
| ximion_ | I was asked by Michael Vogt to ask you about "joining forces" in PackageKit Debian/Ubuntu packaging | 16:51 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: why not fix the code to read teh archive blacklist file? | 16:51 |
| ari-tczew | micahg: I don't mind. | 16:51 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt | 16:52 |
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| SpamapS | so, while merging cheetah, I find that its only building for python2.6 in natty.. but 2.7 is available right? So should we also add a build-dep on python2.7-dev to get the C extension part built for 2.7? | 17:02 |
| SpamapS | or is that what python-all-dev does eventually? | 17:03 |
| james_w | python-all-dev would be appropriate I think, but there may need to be debian/rules or debian/control tweaks to get it to build for 2.7 | 17:04 |
| SpamapS | it loops through the pyversions already | 17:04 |
| tumbleweed | err, python2.7 isn't supported yet. It's there, but your package won't build for it until it's listed in pyversions -s | 17:05 |
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| SpamapS | Ah, so basically.. just let it get rebuilt whenever python-all-dev is updated and it becomes a supported version? | 17:06 |
| tseliot | cjwatson: have you ever seen this error with quilt (note: it's not true that the patch was already applied)? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/516334/ | 17:06 |
| tumbleweed | SpamapS: yeah, that'll have to be done for many packages | 17:06 |
| ScottK | ximion_: Riddell is expecting to mostly be offline this week, so don't expect a quick answer. | 17:09 |
| ximion_ | ScottK: Thanks for the info :) Okay, I don't need a fast reaction on this topic. | 17:11 |
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| SpamapS | woooooooot mdadm v3 uploaded! :-D | 17:39 |
| * SpamapS would ^5 surbhi were she here. ;) | 17:43 | |
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| SpamapS | hrm, and now I see when I do a pbuilder build, it does pull in python 2.7 .. and, unfortunately, fails horribly because of it. :( | 18:06 |
| SpamapS | wow.. 2.6 all tests pass, 2.7, no tests pass. I'd say cheetah is not even capable of supporting python 2.7 yet. | 18:07 |
| SpamapS | AttributeError: attribute '__dict__' of 'type' objects is not writable | 18:07 |
| smoser | i have a debconf question that shows itself to debconf-get-selections as | 19:24 |
| smoser | eucalyptus-nc eucalyptus-nc/no_vmx error | 19:24 |
| smoser | how can i seed it so i dont have to press 'Ok' | 19:24 |
| smoser | anyone ^ | 19:30 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: barry has tons of advice for people fixing 2.7 stuff. | 19:35 |
| barry | SpamapS: what's up? | 19:40 |
| ScottK | barry: Do you have the backscroll where he talks about cheetah? | 19:47 |
| barry | ScottK: i do. SpamapS, i'll take a look at cheetah and see what i get. | 19:48 |
| ScottK | Cool. That's all I know. | 19:48 |
| ScottK | Python problem? Dial 1-800-barry. | 19:48 |
| barry | or 1-800-flufl | 19:49 |
| ScottK | That would be more pythonic, you're right. | 19:50 |
| ScottK | It wouldn't work as well on IRC unless you highlight flufl too? | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | barry: I haven't tried 2.4.3 yet, but 2.4.1 has quite a few issues. | 19:50 |
| micahg | ScottK: 1-800-PEP3118 :) | 19:51 |
| barry | SpamapS: lp:ubuntu/cheetah is 2.0.1-2ubuntu7 yes? | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | barry: I just submitted a merge request with 2.4 bug 663343 | 19:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 663343 in cheetah (Ubuntu) "Please merge cheetah 2.4.2.1-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663343 | 19:56 |
| barry | SpamapS: ack | 19:57 |
| barry | SpamapS: does the test suite run as part of the build? | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | barry: yes | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | barry: if you remove 2.7 from debian/pyversions you get a whole mess of failures | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | barry: or you can just run python2.7 /usr/bin/cheetah test | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | barry: definitely worth trying out a uupdate to 2.4.3 | 20:04 |
| barry | SpamapS: ah, even 2.0.1 has test suite failures during the build, though the build apparently still succeeds | 20:08 |
| barry | lots of these: | 20:08 |
| barry | TypeError: importHook() takes at most 5 arguments (6 given) | 20:08 |
| barry | let me try to merge 2.4.3, and then i might have one more source of useful patches... | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | barry: I don't recall the end of the discussion about 2.7 in natty.. was the final call that it would be pushed for, but not set as default for some time? | 20:23 |
| barry | SpamapS: i don't think we've made a final decision. for now, 2.7 is supported but 2.6 is still default. i *hoping* we can go with 2.7 as default for natty, but we'll see | 20:24 |
| barry | SpamapS: i believe doko and ScottK agree with that plan | 20:25 |
| barry | SpamapS: 2.4.3 builds but i need to update the rules to run the test suite in its new location | 20:27 |
| barry | SpamapS: cheetah 2.4.3 + py27 + tests == fail | 20:31 |
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| SpamapS | barry: wait | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | oh sorry n/m | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | barry: the failures all seem to be around 1 or 2 problems like overwriting __dict__ in Template | 20:34 |
| barry | SpamapS: i have one more trick up my sleeve... | 20:36 |
| ScottK | barry: I do (agree with that plan). | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: hostname detection/setting.. I got mentioned in that conversation, but I wasn't sure what context it was under. | 20:44 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: General system context of we suck at doing it consistently and correctly and we should fix that. | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: other than using the name fed to us via DHCP, I've never liked any of the other auto-detection methods. :-P | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | Of which I can only think of one.. reverse dns. | 20:47 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: We should look at what the various installers do, dhcp, anything else we can think of. | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: I wonder if we can lump this in with the upstart improvements discussion, and call it "server bootup improvements" instead. | 20:48 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: No. I think it's a different, but slightly related topic. | 20:48 |
| ScottK | It's not just server for a start. | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | Ah, good point. I don't ever think about the desktop. Desktops are just terminals for servers. ;) | 20:49 |
| barry | SpamapS: branch with successful 2.7 build+test on its way :) | 21:00 |
| barry | SpamapS: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu/natty/cheetah/py27-compat/+merge/38883 | 21:12 |
| SpamapS | barry: nice. :) | 21:20 |
| Riddell | ximion_: great, what's different? | 21:26 |
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| barry | SpamapS: i can't upload it though, perhaps you can sponsor? | 21:30 |
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| SpamapS | barry: nor can I. We're in the same boat that way. ;) | 21:31 |
| barry | SpamapS: :) perhaps ScottK, or i will ping doko tomorrow | 21:32 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: Nearly everything :P It produces some additional packages, has a few renamed to match the newest Debian policy and has a completely new copyright file. | 21:32 |
| ximion_ | these are chages Ubuntu can easily take. | 21:32 |
| ximion_ | the only thing you will want to change in Ubuntu is the vendor patch. | 21:33 |
| SpamapS | barry: I will ask one of my usual sponsors to take a look if its not uploaded by Thursday. | 21:33 |
| ScottK | barry or SpamapS: If someone presents me with an actual debdiff, I'll look at it. | 21:33 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: I suggest one Bazaar-Branch "packagekit" and one "packagekit-debian" which belong to the PackageKit-Team at LP, where both packages are maintained. | 21:34 |
| barry | ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheetah/+bug/663343/+attachment/1702084/+files/cheetah-663343.debdiff | 21:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 663343 in cheetah (Ubuntu) "Please merge cheetah 2.4.2.1-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:34 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: This should make sharing patches and other changes between both distributions really easy. | 21:34 |
| * ximion_ is away for a short time | 21:35 | |
| ScottK | barry: Looking | 21:35 |
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| ScottK | barry: Is this a new upstream version? If so, I need just the diff.gz. | 21:36 |
| barry | ScottK: it is. hang on, i'll upload that | 21:37 |
| Riddell | ximion_: that sounds good | 21:38 |
| barry | ScottK: http://barry.warsaw.us/cheetah_2.4.3-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | 21:41 |
| * barry -> reboot | 21:57 | |
| pwnguin | obviously sin city has warped bav | 22:01 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: Is there an existing branch I should use for the Ubuntu packaging? Or should I create a new one? | 22:04 |
| Riddell | ximion_: there's an existing branch, don't have it to hand but it'll be in the debian/control of our existing package | 22:10 |
| ximion_ | Diddell: The code assigned to the PK team only has a branch for maverick | 22:13 |
| ximion_ | woops :D sorry, I mean Riddell :P | 22:13 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: I would create a generic PK branch, which always contains the newest packaging version available in Ubuntu. | 22:14 |
| ximion_ | (so if e.g. Maverick closes, the content goes to packagekit-maverick and packagekit ist the branch where the natty development takes pace) | 22:15 |
| maco | ordinarily the "trunk" branch refers to the devel version of ubuntu | 22:15 |
| ximion_ | there's a PK branch for the current dev version, but only members of Ubuntu branches can upload to it. | 22:15 |
| maco | uh yeah that | 22:15 |
| ximion_ | I'm not familiar with the branch management in Ubuntu, so I don't know the best practice there | 22:16 |
| maco | i think you just described it correctly | 22:16 |
| Riddell | ximion_: practice differs from package to package | 22:16 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: What do you suggest? | 22:17 |
| Riddell | ximion_: well presumably we need a debian one and an ubuntu one, which would be branches of each other | 22:17 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: The Debian packaging is currently in lp:~ximion/+junk/packagekit-debian, the Ubuntu packaging is in lp:~packagekit/packagekit/ubuntu-maverick | 22:19 |
| ximion_ | cause maverick is reserved for maverick, i would suggest lp:~packagekit/packagekit/ubuntu for Ubuntu stuff and lp:~packagekit/packagekit/debian for the Debian packaging | 22:19 |
| ximion_ | I would need to ask Sebastian to register the branches, as he is the maintainer of the PackageKit project at LP | 22:22 |
| ScottK | barry: Thanks. | 22:25 |
| Riddell | ximion_: I agree on the branch names, anyone with access to the team can push to them | 22:25 |
| Riddell | ximion_: looks like glatzor and mvo can add you to the launchpad team, I'd recommend we get them to do so | 22:26 |
| Riddell | ximion_: ah, you're Matthias Klumpp and have been a member for some hours | 22:27 |
| Riddell | ximion_: so you just need to bzr push lp:~packagekit/packagekit/debian | 22:28 |
| Riddell | ximion_: and we can see if we can manage without an ubuntu specific branch for now | 22:30 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: You probably want to have a different vendor patch for Ubuntu | 22:41 |
| Riddell | ximion_: mm | 22:43 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: Also, the pkg is new on Debian, so it might lack the transition stuff needed for the Ubuntu pkg | 22:43 |
| sladen | where is the Gtk+ menubar -> window manager integration done? (My desktop theme has just reverted itself to defaults, as though something has crashed) | 22:45 |
| ScottK | ximion_: It isn't wrong to carry the additional transition stuff in Debian so we can sync. You might consider it. | 22:45 |
| ximion_ | ScottK: yep, I just need to figure out what exactly is needed for a Maverick -> Natty transition | 22:46 |
| ximion_ | you can watch the Debian packaging at lp:~packagekit/packagekit/debian now | 22:50 |
| Riddell | ximion_: groovy, thanks | 22:50 |
| ximion_ | Riddell: Tomorrow I'll try to merge the Debian changes to Ubuntu and vice versa and then create an ubuntu branch. Then you can take this branch to upload a new PK version to Natty instead of using MoM on the Debian pkg | 22:52 |
| sladen | ah... desk full wrecks Gtk+ | 22:53 |
| debfx | ximion_: dh_install should be in its own override target | 22:54 |
| debfx | also you don't need to pass --list-missing to dh_install | 22:55 |
| debfx | --fail-missing implies listing | 22:56 |
| ximion_ | debfx: Already changed this, but needs testing. The version in the repo represents the initial upload to the Debian archive | 22:56 |
| ximion_ | debfx: Oo... | 22:56 |
| ximion_ | you pointed me at a really bad regression I introduced | 22:57 |
| ximion_ | debfx: Phew! It wasn't uploaded to the Debian archive. The archive received the correct version | 22:59 |
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| ximion_ | debfx: The call to dh_install was only for testing purposes, you can delete it if you want | 23:13 |
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| ximion_ | gn88 | 23:21 |
| ximion_ | whoops, I really need to sleep (this was typing error number fourteen in just twelve minutes!) | 23:21 |
| ximion_ | night! | 23:21 |
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| TheMuso | 6/c | 23:47 |
| barry | ScottK: thanks for uploading cheetah. SpamapS it failed to build, even though it built fine locally on my natty chroot. will investigate. | 23:52 |
| ScottK | barry: I did make some changes, so please review them for next time. | 23:52 |
| barry | ScottK: will do, thanks | 23:52 |
| ScottK | It built here too before I uploaded it. | 23:53 |
| ScottK | barry: There's .pyc shipped in the 2.7 stuff. | 23:54 |
| barry | ScottK: yikes | 23:55 |
| ScottK | So that's why. | 23:55 |
| * ScottK waits for a diff .... | 23:56 | |
| barry | it looks like the 2.6 stuff also has pycs though | 23:56 |
| ScottK | barry: In my local build there's stuff in pyshared and python2.7/site-packages and only the latter has .pyc. | 23:57 |
| barry | ScottK: where can i see your changes? | 23:58 |
| ScottK | apt-get source the package and then diff it with yours. | 23:59 |
| ScottK | None of hte changes I made would have affected the current problem. | 23:59 |
| ScottK | (it was mostly changelog enhancement) | 23:59 |
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