[14:01] <ogra_ac> no meeting ? or is my calendar wrong
[14:02] <mpoirier> I'm also wondering...
[14:04] <ogra_ac> persia, NCommander davidm ??
[14:06] <davidm> No meeting, NCommander was supposed to send an announcement, I just did
[14:06] <ogra_ac> thanks
[14:08] <davidm> Sorry guys, I thought he had taken care of it.
[14:08] <ogra_ac> no worries
[14:14] <Sylvestre> ok, do you know when the next one is going to occur ?
[14:14] <Sylvestre> I would like to discuss about the "dynamic list" of per package upload permissions for DD
[15:00] <kees> pitti, cjwatson: hello! it looks like it's just us three for the meeting. The agenda is short, but is 3 enough?
[15:01] <pitti> not for decisions IMHO, but there don't seem to be any today anyway?
[15:02] <kees> well, the dynamic package upload perms thing maybe, but since cjwatson hasn't arrived yet, we're really only at 2. :)
[15:03] <Sylvestre> Thanks for putting it on the top of the list btw
[15:04] <kees> Sylvestre: you bet; I wanted to get it above the "every week" stuff. Though, it seems we won't have quorum this meeting. :(
[15:04] <Sylvestre> OK
[15:04] <kees> pitti: let's wait another 5 minutes for cjwatson, and if it's just two of us, I think we'll have to delay 2 weeks. I can chair again.
[15:04] <Sylvestre> I am going to be off for pretty much 3 weeks.
[15:04] <pitti> I agree
[15:05] <Sylvestre> I don't think I am necessary for you
[15:05] <Sylvestre> you have the information on the devel permission ML
[15:05] <kees> Sylvestre: yeah, it looks that way; thanks!
[15:09] <Sylvestre> bad sign :p
[15:10] <kees> hah
[15:10] <kees> yeah, okay, well, we're delayed until next time; I'll chair again. thanks everyone!
[15:10] <pitti> thanks
[15:11] <pitti> Sylvestre: sorry about that; we'll reply by mail after the next session then
[15:11] <Sylvestre> thanks
[17:46]  * hask anda vagando: Gone away for now
[18:29] <nigelb> !away | hask
[18:34] <hask> nigelb: Oops, Sorry! I forgot to uncheck away messages. I have fixed it :(
[18:36] <nigelb> thank you
[18:55] <zul> gday
[18:57] <ttx> o/
[18:58] <hggdh> ~ô~
[18:58] <JamesPage> o/
[18:58] <mathiaz> o/
[18:59] <Daviey> o/
[18:59] <hallyn> \o/
[18:59] <hallyn> (guess that's me being happy to be here :)
[19:00] <Daviey> hallyn: sarcasm-- :)
[19:00] <ttx> waiting a few more minutes
[19:00] <robbiew> 0/
[19:00] <ttx> missing SpamapS
[19:01] <ttx> Dustin is on vacation today, I think
[19:01]  * robbiew whips out the cheerleader pom-poms....*\0/*
[19:01] <robbiew> heh
[19:01] <jjohansen> \o
[19:01] <ttx> smoser: around ?
[19:01] <smoser> o/
[19:01] <ttx> ok, we have quorum
[19:01] <ttx> #startmeeting
[19:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is ttx.
[19:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:02] <ttx> Welcome to this Ubuntu Server team IRC meeting
[19:02] <ttx> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[19:02] <ttx> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:02] <ttx> * mathiaz to send out a call for ideas on ubuntu to the puppet community (carry over)
[19:02]  * mathiaz fails again
[19:02] <ttx> mathiaz: you're after the world record ?
[19:02] <mathiaz> ttx: no yet
[19:03] <ttx> [ACTION] mathiaz to send out a call for ideas on ubuntu to the puppet community (carry over)
[19:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to send out a call for ideas on ubuntu to the puppet community (carry over)
[19:03] <ttx> * ALL to mark maverick assigned specs as "Implemented" or Deferred
[19:03] <zul> whoops
[19:03] <ttx> looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~jib/+specs?searchtext=maverick it's not a full success
[19:04] <ttx> it's just a cleanup thing, yo uknow how much of a maniac I am
[19:04] <ttx> * jjohansen to look into virtual kernel bug status (658461)
[19:04] <smoser> bug 658461
[19:04] <ttx> [ACTION] ALL to mark maverick assigned specs as "Implemented" or Deferred (carry over)
[19:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ALL to mark maverick assigned specs as "Implemented" or Deferred (carry over)
[19:05] <jjohansen> ttx, smoser: not done yet
[19:05] <ttx> * jjohansen to look into t1.micro java lockup bug (634487)
[19:05] <ttx> bug 634487
[19:05] <ttx> jjohansen: same ?
[19:05] <jjohansen> yep, actually looking at it now
[19:06] <ttx> [ACTION] jjohansen to look into bug 634487 and bug 658461 (carry over)
[19:06] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jjohansen to look into bug 634487 and bug 658461 (carry over)
[19:06] <ttx> [TOPIC] Natty development
[19:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty development
[19:06] <ttx> It's Syncs and merges season !
[19:07] <zul> ive done my bits
[19:07] <ttx> I've done part of my bits
[19:07] <ttx> You should also have already filed the blueprints for the UDS sessions you want to run
[19:07] <ttx> anyone has anything left ?
[19:07] <mathiaz> ttx: where is the up-to-date list of BP?
[19:08] <ttx> mathiaz: so that's a good question.
[19:08] <mathiaz> ttx: it seems that their names is changing often these days...
[19:08] <ttx> I actually created a magic page
[19:08] <mathiaz> ttx: making it complicated to track where things are
[19:08] <mathiaz> ttx: and whether I'm adding information to the right BP
[19:08] <ttx> multiple trcaks make it a bit difficult to search for "server-n" BPs
[19:08] <ttx> The magic list lives at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ttx/+specs?role=subscriber
[19:09] <ttx> i'll keep subscribed to the team-relevant blueprints
[19:09] <mathiaz> ttx: right - and 'server-n' turns up a lot of unrelated specs
[19:09] <ttx> corresponsing to *server-n* UDS sessions
[19:09] <ttx> took me 30min to get it right, don't thank me
[19:09]  * ttx filed a LP improvement request to add "tagging" to BPs
[19:09] <mathiaz> ttx: great - thanks for keeping providing a simple list
[19:10] <Daviey> ttx: "thanks"! :)
[19:10]  * mathiaz thinks the BP may need some love dedicated to it
[19:10] <ttx> jml says he wants to merge them with bugs and drop BPs
[19:10] <ttx> anyway, offtopic
[19:10] <ttx> does anyone still have BPs to file for UDS ?
[19:11] <mathiaz> ttx: I don't think so
[19:11] <ttx> I have one. There is some Canonical interest around Openvswitch
[19:11] <mathiaz> ttx: however I'd like to review the ones already registed
[19:11] <zul> openvswitch
[19:11] <ttx> does anyone has a session where that should be mentioned, or do you think it'll make a good separate session ?
[19:11] <mathiaz> ttx: to make sure relevant topics are covered
[19:11] <ttx> mathiaz: right
[19:11] <zul> ttx: shouldnt someone from canonical do it?
[19:12] <ttx> zul: if it doesn't fit into an existing session, yes
[19:12] <ttx> zul: do you think we can mention it in the missing UEC metapackaging session ?
[19:12]  * Daviey nah's
[19:12] <mathiaz> ttx: seems like a discussion on its own
[19:13] <zul> ttx: i dont know what it has to do with UEC in the first place
[19:13] <mathiaz> ttx: to figure out why we should do that, and how
[19:13] <ttx> ok, I'll sort it out
[19:13] <Daviey> \o/
[19:13] <mathiaz> ttx: it would be useful to know the actual use case
[19:13] <ttx> [ACTION] ttx to check if a session is needed around openvswitch
[19:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ttx to check if a session is needed around openvswitch
[19:13] <ttx> UDS session participation...
[19:14] <mathiaz> ttx: at last UDS there were a few sessions (eg cloud-loadbalancing) that noone knew what it was about
[19:14] <ttx> so with multiple tracks it gets complicated to make sure everyone required is available
[19:14] <ttx> mathiaz: I'll figure it out
[19:14] <ttx> so it's more important than ever to mark your attendance
[19:14] <ttx> by subscribing to the spec and making your participation essential, where it is essential
[19:15] <ttx> please review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ttx/+specs?role=subscriber
[19:15] <smoser> hm...
[19:15] <smoser> how would that work, ttx
[19:15] <smoser> are you white listed ? since you're subscribed to all
[19:15] <ttx> smoser: huh ?
[19:15] <ttx> subscribing is open to anyone
[19:15] <ttx> ah
[19:15] <smoser> right. but the conflict resolution is done by "if this person can be there"
[19:16] <ttx> so i'm not essential to all.
[19:16] <smoser> ah.
[19:16] <ttx> I'm subscribed to all
[19:16] <ttx> (blue vs. red)
[19:16] <Daviey> hmm
[19:16] <Daviey> conflict resolution isn't awesome :)
[19:16] <Daviey> it does it based on required essential only
[19:16] <Daviey> (atm)
[19:16] <ttx> ack
[19:16] <mathiaz> ttx: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ttx/+specs?role=subscriber -> blue versus red?
[19:16] <ttx> so please mark yourself essentail to the sessions you need to attend
[19:16] <smoser> red people are essential
[19:16] <mathiaz> ttx: IIRC you can only see that on the actual BP page?
[19:17] <smoser> blue are not important
[19:17] <smoser> :)
[19:17] <ttx> yes
[19:17] <ttx> mathiaz: ^
[19:17] <ttx> don't mark yourself essential to more than 20 sessions, would make the scheduler constraints a bit hard
[19:17] <ttx> Finally, UDS session leading
[19:18]  * mathiaz thinks about an interesting DoS here
[19:18] <ttx> Please set yourself as drafter on the sessions you intend to lead.
[19:18] <ttx> [ACTION] ALL to subscribe to BPs where their attendance is required
[19:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ALL to subscribe to BPs where their attendance is required
[19:19] <ttx> [ACTION] ALL to set themselves as drafter where they want to lead sessions
[19:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ALL to set themselves as drafter where they want to lead sessions
[19:19] <ttx> Questions ?
[19:19] <Daviey> none here.
[19:19] <JamesPage> cool with me
[19:19] <zul> pas rien
[19:20] <ttx> (yes, I'll set the missing drafters :)
[19:20] <Daviey> dammit
[19:20] <ttx> better make your choice before I do.
[19:20] <ttx> Going once... twice...
[19:20] <ttx> [TOPIC] Maverick SRUs
[19:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick SRUs
[19:21] <ttx> A quick list of identified early SRUs for Maverick
[19:21] <ttx> #
[19:21] <ttx> Bug 661547 - Existing patch gssapi.diff makes guess_service_principal produce garbage
[19:21] <ttx> #
[19:21] <ttx> Bug 657149 - squid fails to upgrade (incomplete)
[19:21] <ttx> #
[19:21] <ttx> Bug 658227 - openldap fails to upgrade (in -proposed)
[19:21] <ttx> #
[19:21] <ttx> Bug 660227 - php5-pgsql crash on getting an error back from postgres (in -proposed)
[19:21] <ttx> #
[19:21] <ttx> Bug 600174 - axis2c fails to build from source on maverick/i386
[19:21] <ttx> The first one needs some love, once the current openldap -proposed clears the queue
[19:21] <mathiaz> is the SRU tracker still working?
[19:21] <mathiaz> zul: ^^?
[19:21] <ttx> zul: ^ ?
[19:21] <ttx> zul: ^^^?
[19:22] <zul> ill go have a look today
[19:22] <ttx> not too much regressions, so far
[19:22] <ttx> maybe nobody uses LTS+1 server releases.
[19:22] <Daviey> axis2c, i want to grab doko whilst at UDS :)
[19:23] <ttx> just listing them to make they don't get forgotten. Who know what could happen in the next two weeks, right
[19:23] <mathiaz> ttx: come on - every one wants to try out the latest and greatest on their production infrastructure
[19:23] <ttx> mathiaz: it actually looks better thaan Lucid, but don't tel anyone :)
[19:23] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:23] <ttx> hggdh: floor is yours
[19:23] <hggdh> nothing new on the western front, so I pass :-)
[19:24] <Daviey> \o/
[19:24] <Daviey> (/me watches the eastern front catch hggdh from behind)
[19:24] <hggdh> heh
[19:24] <ttx> hggdh: you'll be leading the server-sq and uec-qa sessions for us, right ?
[19:24] <ttx> server-qa, I mean
[19:24] <hggdh> yes, I will. We will need to talk before to fine-tune
[19:24] <ttx> great !
[19:25] <ttx> no questions for QA ?
[19:25] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:25] <ttx> jjohansen: howdy
[19:25] <jjohansen> nothing new here
[19:25] <jjohansen> hi
[19:25] <jjohansen> :
[19:26] <jjohansen> hehe
[19:26] <mathiaz> jjohansen: what will be the kernel version for natty? ;)
[19:26] <ttx> jjohansen: try to avoid smoser next week, he has a long list of bugs for you
[19:26] <jjohansen> mathiaz 3.0 of course
[19:26] <smoser> but i have beer for rewards.
[19:26] <jjohansen> ttx: right, that is my #1 action item
[19:27] <jjohansen> thankfully /me isn't tempted :)
[19:27] <ttx> smoser: kernel bug bounties, a new form of kernel bug triaging
[19:27] <smoser> pixie sticks ?
[19:27]  * zul offers jjohansen sleeping pills
[19:27] <smoser> that would get zul  interested
[19:27] <jjohansen> dang you found my weakness
[19:27] <zul> smoser: meh
[19:27] <jjohansen> ttx: I like the bug bounties, I think jfo would go for it too
[19:27] <ttx> ok, nothing else for kernel ?
[19:27] <smoser> that is something to discuss though.. kernel version
[19:28] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ec2/+bug/662842
[19:28] <jjohansen> yes, it will be discussed.  likely 2.6.37 or 38
[19:28] <smoser> thats my request to remove linux-ec2, which was unused (officially) in maverick.
[19:28] <smoser> i could see people crying as it is a xen pv kernel
[19:28] <jjohansen> yep, its on my rather long todo list, all book marked nice
[19:28] <smoser> but we've never explicitly supported it.
[19:29] <jjohansen> right
[19:29] <smoser> anyone else here have comments to that effect ?
[19:29] <smoser> if so, send hatemail to john. i dont want any.
[19:29] <jjohansen> I think if we want a xen kernel, we should bring back a xen kernel not rely on the ec2 kernel
[19:29] <smoser> or, kindly bring up your concerns here. whichever works better.
[19:30] <ttx> ok, moving on
[19:30] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:30] <ttx> sommer is away today
[19:30] <Daviey> :(
[19:30] <ttx> will lead a Server documentation session at UDS
[19:30] <ttx> be there or be square
[19:30] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[19:31] <ttx> kim0 is not around...
[19:31] <ttx> we'll just group-hug him at UDS as a blame.
[19:31] <ttx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[19:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[19:31] <mathiaz> any major news in the server team?
[19:31] <ttx> so Daviey was mentioning that mortals can't set the drafters on other's specs
[19:32] <ttx> if you want to do that, ask the registrant, or me.
[19:32] <ttx> mathiaz: not for today, I don't think so :)
[19:33] <Daviey> hmm
[19:33] <robbiew> or me
[19:33] <ttx> well, robbiew could mention the interim management
[19:33] <robbiew> I'm interim manager...done
[19:33] <robbiew> lol
[19:33] <ttx> ^ team, that's how ACTIONs get closed.
[19:34] <Daviey> ttx: not with that bot syntax :)
[19:34] <ttx> all hail our new fearless leader.
[19:34] <robbiew> all interested applicants please send email to rick.spencer@canonical.com
[19:34] <robbiew> not me :D
[19:34] <robbiew> thank you...thank you...please...hold your applause
[19:35] <ivoks> hail!
[19:35] <ttx> robbiew: some previous server team managers said they would offer one beer for every community member that would find them at UDS
[19:35] <ttx> ivoks: are you coming, btw ?
[19:35] <hggdh> and the associated QA contact!
[19:35] <ttx> robbiew: feeling up for the same challenge ?
[19:35] <ivoks> ttx: no, but i'm counting on you sending me a t-shirt
[19:35] <ttx> aw
[19:35]  * ScottK has a topic.
[19:36] <ttx> ScottK: go ahead
[19:36] <robbiew> lol
[19:36] <ScottK> There was some discussion on ubuntu-devel about fixing hostname detection/setting on the call for ideas.
[19:36] <ScottK> (for UDS)
[19:36] <ScottK> That didn't get translated into a spec for discussion (that I've found).
[19:37] <ttx> ScottK: I suspect that wouldn't be server-specific, right
[19:37] <ttx> ScottK: maybe a foundations spec
[19:37] <ScottK> ttx: No, but I think we're the primary victims of the current problems.
[19:37] <ScottK> I don't have the time to lead an effort in this area and was hoping someone else would be willing to grab it and run with it.
[19:38] <ttx> robbiew: could that be folded into one of the BPs server pushed to foundations this time ?
[19:38] <ttx> ScottK: I think SpamapS had an interest in this
[19:38] <ttx> he could push it. After all, he is absent to this meeting
[19:38] <robbiew> if someone could point me to the discussion thread
[19:38] <ScottK> Perfect.
[19:38] <robbiew> I can run with the BP/session
[19:38] <ttx> ScottK: link?
[19:38] <ScottK> robbiew: I'll dig it up.
[19:38] <robbiew> cool
[19:39] <ttx> ScottK: thanks for bringing it up, I've not been keeping tabs on all the threads
[19:39] <ttx> anything else ?
[19:40] <zul> oh...that sucks Tom Bosley died
[19:40] <Daviey> oh no!
[19:40] <ttx> sigh
[19:40] <ttx> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[19:40] <ttx> Tuesday 2010-11-02 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting (10/26 cancelled for UDS)
[19:40] <ScottK> robbiew and ttx: Discussion starts at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-October/031785.html
[19:40] <ttx> since today nobody from the west coast is around, we should discuss another time for the meeting
[19:41] <robbiew> ScottK: ack
[19:41] <ttx> (maybe next time)
[19:41] <ttx> oops
[19:41] <ttx> #endmeeting
[19:41] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:41.
[19:41] <ttx> thanks everyone
[19:41] <ScottK> robbiew: Once there's a spec, please have whoever writes it subscribe me.
[19:42] <robbiew> ScottK: will do
[19:42] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:44] <ivoks> have a good time at UDS
[19:45] <ttx> ivoks: I will
[19:48]  * ScottK has carefully avoided mentioning to the children exactly where he's going since they all know what's in Orlando.
[19:48] <ivoks> what? :)
[21:00] <czajkowski> loco council meeting starting folks
[21:00] <popey> o/
[21:00] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:00. The chair is czajkowski.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:00] <czajkowski> Aloha!
[21:00] <paultag> Howdy!
[21:01] <itnet7> hey there!
[21:01] <jacob> heya!
[21:01] <leogg> hey all!
[21:01] <czajkowski> [link]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[21:01] <MootBot> LINK received:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[21:01] <SergioMeneses> hi
[21:01] <LaFieraMarina> hi
[21:01] <czajkowski> tonights agenda short and sweet , we'll start with council items first and then move onto teams
[21:01] <jledbetter_> Howdy :)
[21:01] <czajkowski> nhandler: are you about ?
[21:01] <popey> gah
[21:01]  * popey changes theme on the wiki
[21:02] <czajkowski> ok 2nd month in a row, removing that item now.
[21:02] <czajkowski> [topic] UDS-M Blueprint
[21:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS-M Blueprint
[21:02] <czajkowski> [link] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-loco-council-plans
[21:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-loco-council-plans
[21:02] <paultag> I swear I've seen that BP before...
[21:02] <czajkowski> ok council folks we need to DONE all these items, so what do we need to clear up
[21:03] <czajkowski> popey: some of your items are done really but not marked done.
[21:03] <paultag> Aye
[21:03] <czajkowski> itnet7: your item policy and guidelines for the ubuntu loco council  any update on it ?
[21:04] <paultag> [itnet7]policy and guidelines for the ubuntu loco council :INPROGRESS  <-- can we push this to next cycle? I feel like this is what we have in for standards for the N cycle czajkowski
[21:04] <paultag> and popey and itnet7 :)
[21:04] <paultag> and leogg :)
[21:04] <czajkowski> I don't see why not. I think it's something that we can get stuck into next cycle as we'll have more free time now that re approvals are running a lot smoother..
[21:04] <itnet7> No update, we'll need to push it. Part of my goal was to begin by creating
[21:04] <popey> heh
[21:05] <paultag> I think that's what we had set up for standards as part of operation wiki-dekruft
[21:05] <paultag> for n cycle
[21:05] <paultag> not already
[21:05] <itnet7> a mission statement and building from there
[21:05] <paultag> +1
[21:05] <leogg> paultag: +1
[21:05] <itnet7> but that fell through
[21:05] <czajkowski> I'd really like to close this BP before UDS-N if at all possible and not have things idling
[21:05] <paultag> czajkowski, could we have a quick vote on pushing that back?
[21:06] <itnet7> I can tell you I have no time whatsoever to work on that between work and family for the next week with being able to attend UDS
[21:06] <czajkowski> itnet7: that;s cool
[21:06] <itnet7> they already asked me to do a presentation next Wednesday at 1 pm
[21:06] <popey> something we could work on during uds?
[21:06] <czajkowski> I think we'll create a new section for that in the UDS-N BP
[21:06] <popey> gobby?
[21:07] <popey> find a quiet room, spark up skype and gobby, get it done
[21:07] <itnet7> They meaning owrk
[21:07] <itnet7> work
[21:07] <czajkowski> ok sounds good
[21:07] <huats> Hello !
[21:07] <paultag> heyya huats :)
[21:07] <czajkowski> popey: this for standards or for the remainder items ?
[21:07] <huats> sorry I am late :)
[21:07] <czajkowski> huats: tis fine
[21:07] <popey> up to you
[21:07] <leogg> huats: o/
[21:08] <popey> I too am mad busy between now and uds, but we could nail it in a couple of hours
[21:08] <popey> together
[21:08] <czajkowski> ok.
[21:08] <paultag> It's OK popey. We can push it back without too much issue I think
[21:08] <popey> what do you think czajkowski ?
[21:08] <popey> I'll make you a curry, come over to my house and we'll work on it :)
[21:08] <czajkowski> [idea] Sit down one night next week at UDS via skype/gobby and spend 2 hours getting UDS-M bp all done
[21:08] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Sit down one night next week at UDS via skype/gobby and spend 2 hours getting UDS-M bp all done
[21:09] <czajkowski> popey: paultag itnet7 huats leogg
[21:09] <paultag> I'm +1 here
[21:09] <huats> czajkowski, sounds a good idea
[21:09] <leogg> +1
[21:09] <paultag> skype me in and I'll be there
[21:09] <itnet7> sure
[21:09] <czajkowski> grand
[21:09] <huats> it just needs to be in my day hours :)
[21:09] <czajkowski> ok moving on so
[21:09] <popey> evening uk time is daytime UDS which makes sense
[21:09] <popey> early evening :)
[21:09] <czajkowski> [topic] UDS-N BP
[21:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS-N BP
[21:09] <paultag> which is daytime here. M-W-F would be good, if you can :)
[21:09] <popey> I'm sure we can work times out
[21:10] <paultag> yup
[21:10] <czajkowski> [link] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-n-loco-council
[21:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-n-loco-council
[21:10] <czajkowski> ok so paultag and I've created this to add some ideas to work on for UDS
[21:10] <czajkowski> as I'd like to see our sessions more structured so we can figure stuff out at UDS
[21:10] <czajkowski> if you have any thoughts please add them to this
[21:11] <czajkowski> I think we can put a lot of effort into structure some guidelines for teams
[21:11] <czajkowski> and in the end make it more black and white what teams could do, and if there are issues what to do
[21:11] <popey> i dont think it needs that much effort tbh
[21:11] <popey> just some basics
[21:12] <czajkowski> team naming I think is something that everyone brings up at some point or another.
[21:12] <popey> i dont think we should be too rigid
[21:12] <paultag> +1, team names are a big issue
[21:12] <czajkowski> if you look at the LD the names are all over the place
[21:12] <paultag> I think that should be strict for new teams, and a migration plan for old teams
[21:12] <paultag> since it has the potential to break stuff, we should watch out for old teams
[21:12] <popey> I am less bothered by the team names.
[21:12] <paultag> and not be too heavy handed with that
[21:12] <czajkowski> *nods*
[21:13] <popey> its messy, yes, but not a catastrophe
[21:13] <paultag> popey, it's not great :/
[21:13] <leogg> yep, I agree
[21:13] <czajkowski> no it's not at all, but it would be nice if they were all the same in some way
[21:13] <paultag> popey, it's tough to find lp or irc channels without using google
[21:13] <czajkowski> makes it a lot clearer when searching
[21:13] <popey> surely people use the loco directory!
[21:13] <popey> :)
[21:13] <paultag> popey, and I think that's kinda an issue, I don't mind about the "title" name, I want the URL name to be nice
[21:13] <popey> I take your point though
[21:13] <paultag> yeah but that's a website and *effort* :)
[21:13] <czajkowski> popey: they do and still if you don't know the ISO name you may not find it :)
[21:14] <czajkowski> anyways
[21:14] <popey> ok
[21:14] <czajkowski> if folks have ideas can they add them into the BP
[21:14] <czajkowski> so we can disscuss it please
[21:14] <czajkowski> :)
[21:15] <czajkowski> ok any other comments re council stuff before we move to re approvals ?
[21:15] <czajkowski> [topic] Nicaragua Team re approval
[21:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Nicaragua Team re approval
[21:15] <huats> I'd like to see a session on something I mention already : a kind of geographical meeting for loco (during FOSS events like FOSDEM by instance)
[21:15] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NicaraguanTeam/ReApproval2010
[21:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NicaraguanTeam/ReApproval2010
[21:16] <huats> but I'll add that to the bp
[21:16] <czajkowski> [link] http://www.ubuntu.org.ni/
[21:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ubuntu.org.ni/
[21:16] <czajkowski> anyone here from the team ??
[21:16] <popey> love the website
[21:16] <alucardni> I am
[21:16] <mmgc84> I am
[21:16] <czajkowski> what a fantastic wiki application
[21:16] <czajkowski> WOW
[21:16] <czajkowski> alucardni: mmgc84 aloha and welcome :)
[21:17] <czajkowski> thanks for coming
[21:17] <landero> I am
[21:17] <leogg> me too ;)
[21:17] <elopio> I am a fan.
[21:17]  * fitoria too
[21:17] <LaFieraMarina> me too
[21:17] <otoha> me too
[21:17] <czajkowski> ok, so who'd like to tell us about the team please ?
[21:18]  * SergioMeneses support the team
[21:18] <jimbodoors> i am the boss
[21:18] <hask> me too
[21:18] <czajkowski> jimbodoors: ok
[21:18] <alucardni> czajkowski: I've been with the team since it's early days
[21:18] <czajkowski> alucardni: so maybe you can tell us please
[21:18] <alucardni> and we've always been very active, as you can see in our wiki :)
[21:19] <itnet7> Very nice wiki, easy to find all the particulars!
[21:19] <paultag> Aye, that's for sure
[21:19] <alucardni> one of the thing a like more about our Team is that we can work very well all the Nicaraguan FOSS community
[21:19] <paultag> Makes me feel bad about mine :)
[21:19] <itnet7> Very good job over the years!!
[21:20] <popey> _love_ the infographics on the wiki page
[21:20] <paultag> alucardni, mmgc84, What plans do you have for the next 2 years? What do you plan to continue doing? Anything you'd like to share about what's done right?
[21:20] <huats> I really really like the insertion of graphics / images in the application
[21:21] <alucardni> paultag: for the next 2 years we spect to contribute a bit more on ubuntu develpment, vía motu, bugsquad, etc
[21:21] <czajkowski> alucardni: do you have some sort of mentoring to help get people into motu ?
[21:22] <alucardni> czajkowski: not yet, we're looking for that
[21:22] <czajkowski> alucardni: so how do you get people to help in your team?
[21:23] <alucardni> czajkowski: we have worked with the latin american community, organizing events like the Ubuntu Open Week in Spanish
[21:23] <czajkowski> yes that has been very well done
[21:23] <eos87> hi folks
[21:23] <alucardni> and there are a few spanish speaking motu's (2 i think) that could helps us
[21:24] <elopio> some people of the bugsquad talk spanish too. I'm sure they'd be glad to help
[21:25] <czajkowski> alucardni: have you had any problems in the past and how did you deal with them ?
[21:26] <alucardni> czajkowski: I don't remember having problems... :D
[21:26] <czajkowski> ok
[21:26] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the re approval of the Nicaraguan Team
[21:26] <czajkowski> +1
[21:26] <czajkowski> well done folks and keep it up !
[21:26] <itnet7> +1
[21:26] <huats> +1
[21:26] <popey> easy +1
[21:26] <paultag> +1
[21:26] <popey> +1
[21:26] <popey> bah, stupid  bot
[21:27] <czajkowski> leogg: ??
[21:27] <leogg> I'm not voting :)
[21:27] <popey> heh
[21:27] <leogg> it's my team :)
[21:27] <paultag> czajkowski, it's his team
[21:27] <czajkowski> ok
[21:27] <leogg> hehe
[21:27] <czajkowski> #endvote
[21:28] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:28] <paultag> Well done :)
[21:28] <itnet7> Very good job!
[21:28] <SergioMeneses> Congratulations Ubuntu-ni
[21:28] <czajkowski> [agreed] Nicaraguan Team re approved
[21:28] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Nicaraguan Team re approved
[21:28] <elopio> Ubuntu Costa Rica loves Ubuntu Nicaragua <3
[21:28] <elopio> where's the party????
[21:28] <czajkowski> well done folks
[21:28] <fitoria> ٩(ಥ_ಥ)۶
[21:28] <alucardni> thank you very much to all :)
[21:28] <SergioMeneses> elopio, jajaja
[21:28] <leogg> elopio: we love you back!
[21:29] <jimbodoors> elopio: in Nicaragua, leogg's house :)
[21:29] <JorSol> Nicaraguan Team rules!!!
[21:29] <SergioMeneses> jimbodoors, far far away
[21:29] <DexterNica> :D
[21:29]  * xamanu is dancing
[21:29] <czajkowski> [topic] Colorado  Re approval
[21:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Colorado  Re approval
[21:30] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:30] <czajkowski> this came to us via ML but we're going to process it here
[21:30] <elopio> good luck Colorado. Bye people. \o_
[21:31] <czajkowski> I'm pretty happy with this , and it has detailed all of their events and linked to them which I know I had pointed out to them
[21:32] <czajkowski> paultag: popey itnet7 huats leogg any comments
[21:32] <popey> nope, it's looking good!
[21:32] <paultag> None here
[21:32] <mat1983> :)
[21:32] <leogg> czajkowski: nope
[21:32] <czajkowski> ok for the record
[21:32] <czajkowski> I'll use the bot
[21:32] <itnet7> Looks good to me
[21:32] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on the Colorado re approval
[21:32] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Please vote on the Colorado re approval.
[21:32] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:32] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:32] <paultag> +1
[21:32] <czajkowski> +1
[21:32] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:32] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:32] <itnet7> +1
[21:32] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:33] <leogg> +1
[21:33] <MootBot> +1 received from leogg. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:33] <huats> +1 but I'd like to see more pics on the application
[21:33] <MootBot> +1 received from huats. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:33] <paultag> hahaha huats :)
[21:33] <czajkowski> popey: ?
[21:33] <itnet7> Only thing they need to work on it seems is team reports
[21:34] <itnet7> Unless they just aren't linked
[21:34] <paultag> popey,
[21:34] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:34] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:34] <popey> :(
[21:34] <czajkowski> sorry popey
[21:34] <popey> np
[21:34] <popey> +1 for the record
[21:35] <popey> :)
[21:35] <paultag> :)
[21:35] <czajkowski> [agreed] Congrats Colorado
[21:35] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Congrats Colorado
[21:35] <paultag> Alright, gametime for Ohio >:)
[21:35] <czajkowski> paultag: update the LP
[21:35] <paultag> czajkowski, roger doger
[21:35] <czajkowski> final team
[21:35] <jacob> \o/
[21:35] <czajkowski> [topic] Ohio
[21:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ohio
[21:35] <leogg> congrats coloco!
[21:35] <paultag> I'm not voting with Ohio, I'm the contact, jacob will be fielding LoCo Council questions. I'll respond ( if I need ), but only as a member of the team, and not as a Council Member, or Contact.
[21:35] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ReApproval
[21:35] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ReApproval
[21:35] <popey> :)
[21:35] <czajkowski> jacob: welcome
[21:36] <czajkowski> paultag: gotcha
[21:36] <paultag> \o/ ohio :)
[21:36] <jacob> czajkowski: i'm just the messenger, but thanks :)
[21:36] <rrittenhouse> Yay Ohio :)
[21:36] <czajkowski> yay photos :)
[21:36] <paultag> OH!
[21:36] <rrittenhouse> IO!
[21:36] <czajkowski> photos make me happy
[21:36] <jacob> IO!
[21:37] <jacob> we're famous for relocos, OLF, and buckeyes
[21:37] <czajkowski> can you tell us about your weekly meetings and what they were meant to be for ?
[21:38] <paultag> meetings? mailings?
[21:38] <czajkowski> sorry mailings
[21:39] <paultag> czajkowski, we set up a weekly newsletter that the contact would write up once a week and send out on friday
[21:39] <jacob> as far as I'm aware, the mailings were to keep everyone on the same page to let people know what's going on around Ohio. kinda like mini-reports. I believe they were going along for a time but have lapsed recently
[21:39] <paultag> +1
[21:39] <huats> great application !
[21:39] <paultag> czajkowski, the contact of Ohio started slacking a bit
[21:39] <huats> paultag, this is really nice
[21:39] <jacob> communication is one thing I think we as a team need to work on
[21:39] <czajkowski> nice idea
[21:40] <czajkowski> which brings me to where are your team reports?
[21:40] <jacob> you would want to ask paultag. :)
[21:40] <jacob> i haven't been involved with that aspect of the team
[21:40] <landero> Good look teams :D
[21:40] <paultag> czajkowski, We had delegated it -- it's not been getting done
[21:40] <paultag> czajkowski, another N cycle goal for us
[21:41] <czajkowski> paultag: ok well at least yer being honest
[21:41] <paultag> We have a few
[21:41] <czajkowski> my only comment on the application and yer not the only team btw, is that team reports need to more visable
[21:41] <czajkowski> as they help the team but also help get others interested in what the team is doing
[21:41] <jacob> righto
[21:41] <paultag> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/Report <-- we have them for up to march
[21:41] <paultag> but that's no excuse
[21:41] <paultag> we're not getting them done :)
[21:42] <czajkowski> paultag: shudda linked to it on the Application. but that's fine
[21:42] <czajkowski> so have ye had any problems getting people involved in the team ?
[21:42] <jacob> here's a quick flyby of things since then: regular reloco meetings (ubuntu hours), global jam, of course Ohio LinuxFest, and things I've probably forgotten
[21:43] <jacob> people always seem fairly willing to get involved -- significant numbers show up at ubuntu hour meetups around the state
[21:43] <canthus13> Umm... Business cards. :)
[21:43]  * canthus13 has been handing them out.
[21:43] <jacob> canthus13: oh man, the business cards.
[21:44] <jacob> so we printed out 2000 of them and have been giving them out around the state
[21:44] <canthus13> Yup. I've given out about 1/4 of my share so far.
[21:44] <paultag> czajkowski, no issues with people, we all get along great. We meet up very often, so that helps too
[21:44] <paultag> czajkowski, twice monthly for every major city
[21:44] <czajkowski> great
[21:44] <paultag> we have about 8 or so Ubuntu Hours a month in Ohio
[21:44] <jacob> I haven't checked our website stats recently, but I'd imagine the business cards are helpful in informing people of the LoCo
[21:44] <itnet7> jacob: what is your favorite part of being involved with the Ohio Team?
[21:44] <paultag> +1 jacob
[21:45] <jacob> itnet7: there are a ton of favorite parts, really. I'd say the local meet-ups. we get together much more frequently than the occasional state-wide events
[21:46] <jacob> my favorite event overall is OLF, but that's only once a year.
[21:46] <czajkowski> great stuff folks
[21:46] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the re approval of Ohio Team
[21:46] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the re approval of Ohio Team.
[21:46] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:46] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:46] <czajkowski> +1
[21:46] <huats> +1
[21:46] <czajkowski> well done folks
[21:46] <leogg> +1
[21:46] <itnet7> +1
[21:47] <itnet7> jacob: I was supposed to attend that this past year, didn't work out unfortunately, Will try again next year!
[21:47] <popey> +1
[21:47] <popey> ;)
[21:47] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:48] <czajkowski> [agreed] Ohio team re approved
[21:48] <popey> nice one Ohio!
[21:48] <leogg> congrats ohio!
[21:48] <czajkowski> ok that convers all of our agenda items
[21:48] <itnet7> Congrats!!!
[21:48] <czajkowski> are there any other comments from teams or people ?
[21:49] <czajkowski> their applicaion isn't in for another week :)
[21:49] <czajkowski> it's due in for us to vote soon
[21:49] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[21:50] <czajkowski> whoo thanks folks
[21:54] <popey> nice one czajkowski !