[12:02] <gnomefreak> ok how do i run strace for a stalled configure. xulrunner is stallling to configure runnnin gdpkg
[12:10] <gnomefreak> for example running dpkg --configure or upgrade xulrunner stalls when trying to be configured. i need to run an strace do i run it on the 5 or so processes or dpkg or on xul...?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i feel like this is useless http://paste.ubuntu.com/516206/
[12:36] <gnomefreak> would someone please fix xulrunner*
[12:37] <gnomefreak> its stalling on 1.9.2 and 2.02.0~b8
[13:15] <fta> dpm, yt?
[13:18] <fta> dpm, i wanted to replace stuff like <ph name="HOST"/> by $HOST in my strings to make things simpler to translate, but i see $ is used in 1 lang: '<translation id="8661648338644250771">$$Овај додатак ће имати приступ приватним подацима на <ph name="HOST"/>.</translation>' (lang=sr)
[13:47] <dpm> hey fta, I'm back from lunch. As an alternative, you could use %(HOST)s as in python formatted arguments. It is something translators are used to, although I'm not sure it's the best solution
[13:49] <dpm> hi chrisccoulson, do think we should have a Firefox roundtable at UDS? Or shall we just have a talk in the corridors?
[13:49] <dpm> chrisccoulson, I mean a FF translations roundtable
[13:49] <chrisccoulson> dpm - we have a session for firefox-4 - you should probably come along to that :)
[13:50] <dpm> chrisccoulson, sure. Will there be time to discuss translations there? Is there a tight agenda?
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> we should be able to discuss translations there
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure what the agenda is for discussion yet ;)
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> but translations would be a good one to add
[13:52] <dpm> chrisccoulson, cool. Is there a blueprint for that already? I'll subscribe to it and add a translations agenda item to the whiteboard
[13:52] <chrisccoulson> dpm - i think it's other-desktop-n-firefox-4 (off the top of my head)
[13:54] <dpm> chrisccoulson, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-firefox-4 - is that the one?
[13:54] <chrisccoulson> dpm - yeah, that's it. it got renamed ;)
[13:55] <dpm> chrisccoulson, no worries :). Ok, subscribing and adding translations to the discussion agenda
[14:01] <dpm> k, done
[14:10] <gnomefreak> ok i cant get anything when trying to run strace on xulrunnner or dpkg
[14:10]  * gnomefreak suggestss that someone looks at it but hey thqat is me
[14:11] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/516206/ is what i get
[14:12]  * gnomefreak going back to bed, i still feel alot like crap
[15:25] <fta> dpm, %() should be ok
[15:26] <fta> dpm, hm.. "(<ph name="PROGRESS_PERCENT"/>%)..." would become  "(%(PROGRESS_PERCENT)%)..."  is that readable enough?
[15:27] <fta> maybe %{}
[15:29] <dpm> fta, yeah, perhaps, I'm just concerned about introducing a new custom variable markup, but yes, %{} would be more readable than the other options
[15:42] <fta> grr, more \\n vs \n issues. i really need to write a proper test suite for that, to make sure that (grit2gettext ∘ gettext2git)(s) == s
[15:49] <gnomefreak> micahg: i tried getting strace of dpkg and of xulrunner and both end up with the output that i posted at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/516206/
[15:50] <micahg> gnomefreak: :(
[15:50] <gnomefreak> not sure why i cant get one sorry
[15:51] <gnomefreak> i was using strace -Ff -tt -p <PID> 2>&1 | tee strace-<program>.log
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> that strace output looks pretty normal if you attached it to something that is hung....
[15:52] <gnomefreak> if i knew the args. to use with strace -Ff -tt <program> <arguments> 2>&1 | tee strace-<program>.log maybe i would get a different output since it wont be running?
[15:52] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: that is corrent
[15:52] <gnomefreak> correct
[15:52] <gnomefreak> xulrunner 1.9.2 and 2.0 are both hanging
[15:53] <gnomefreak> during configure on upgrade
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, couldn't you just try running dpkg --configure xulrunner-1.9.2 in strace?
[15:55] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: i ran strace when xulrunner hung
[15:56] <gnomefreak> but i didnt use xulrunner i use PID
[15:56] <gnomefreak> configure -a
[15:59] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: i can only stace dpkg since it is hung in dpkg
[15:59] <gnomefreak> and output is same
[16:00] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: strace -Ff -tt <program> <arguments> 2>&1 | tee strace-<program>.log  what arg would i use.
[16:01] <gnomefreak> maybe that might work better instead of already having it running
[16:03] <gnomefreak> micahg: chrisccoulson http://paste.ubuntu.com/516291/
[16:03] <gnomefreak> that gives a better strace :)
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, are you using maverick or natty?
[16:04] <gnomefreak> natty
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> daily builds?
[16:04] <gnomefreak> yes
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> ok, that's expected
[16:05] <gnomefreak> well i cant fonfigure the other packages like this
[16:05] <gnomefreak> configure even
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, bug 663294 (which i'm currently working very hard on to try and resolve)
[16:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663294 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu) "Firefox built with gcc-4.5 is a non-starter on i386 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663294
[16:05] <gnomefreak> thats the same?
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> if you're on x86, yes
[16:05] <gnomefreak> yes
[16:06] <gnomefreak> ff works here i think
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> ok, so at least we've got a confirmation that this doesn't just affect ff-4.0
[16:07] <gnomefreak> marked confirmed and left a short message. thanks
[16:15] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: eta on the fix?
[16:15] <gnomefreak> i cant even install a package now
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, not until i've figured out whats happening
[16:15] <gnomefreak> 0ok thanks
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> welcome to natty :)
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> i'm discussing it with glandium atm too
[16:16] <gnomefreak> :)
[16:17] <gnomefreak> k
[16:17] <gnomefreak> i going to lay back down for  awhile maybe ill be back later today
[18:09] <fta> jdstrand, linux/stable (6.0.472.63 -> 7.0.517.41)
[18:12] <jdstrand> fta: thanks. do you have packages available for lucid and maverick?
[18:13] <fta> jdstrand, not yet, it's a fresh 0sec release :)
[18:13] <jdstrand> oh, heh
[18:13] <jdstrand> fta: just ping me whenever you have them and are satisfied with the packages
[18:13] <fta> jdstrand, sure
[18:13] <jdstrand> fta: thanks for the notification
[18:15] <asac> hello jdstrand ... i think i asked you something a few days ago, but now i cant remember :/ ...
[18:19] <jdstrand> asac: 08:41 < asac> jdstrand_: is [    0.325499] audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) from apparmor?
[18:19] <asac> right
[18:19] <asac> yeah. that one jdstrand
[18:20] <jdstrand> asac: I don't think it has anything to do with apparmor as a google search shows it popping up in various places. I don't know what it is tbh
[18:21] <asac> kk
[18:21] <asac> jdstrand: so i have a local build of firefox somewhere in /home/.... would our apparomor policies pick that up at all?
[18:22] <jdstrand> asac: if I were to guess, I would say that it is part of the audit framework, and that particular part is not enabled
[18:22]  * asac assumes not
[18:22] <jdstrand> asac: no, it wouldn't
[18:22] <asac> kk
[18:22] <jdstrand> asac: not unless you defined a policy for it in /etc/apparmor.d/
[18:23] <asac> chrisccoulson: do you have a ffox 4 local build?
[18:23] <asac> chrisccoulson: http://pastebin.com/sM6Ayt8J
[18:23] <asac> i have that patch and wonder if that works better there than on my old 3.6 checkout
[18:24] <chrisccoulson> asac - i can't try it just yet, still investigating gcc-4.5 issues
[18:25] <asac> chrisccoulson: np.
[18:54] <fta> chrisccoulson, chromium doesn't even build with gcc 4.5
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> fta - oh, that's not good
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> firefox builds, but it then hangs at start
[18:56] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=49533
[19:12] <asac> i things also fail on armel you can subscribe linaro-toolchain-wg team
[19:13] <asac> to launchpad bugs for everything gcc related
[19:13] <asac> chrisccoulson: whats the build failure?
[19:13] <asac> (for ffox)
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> asac - it builds fine, but it just doesn't run
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> asac - bug 663294
[19:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663294 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu) "Firefox built with gcc-4.5 is a non-starter on i386 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663294
[19:19] <asac> chrisccoulson: nothing in bugzilla about 4.5 bustage?
[19:19] <chrisccoulson> asac - no, i've been talking to ted and glandium about it this afternoon
[19:19] <chrisccoulson> glandium can't reproduce it, although i still managed to reproduce it with the debian build of gcc
[19:20] <asac> chrisccoulson: debian gcc build + ubuntu rest of toolchain?
[19:20] <asac> or all debian?
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> i'm currently doing a build of mozilla-central with minimum build options
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> asac - just debian gcc
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> glandium also tried with our binutils, and it still worked
[19:23] <asac> also libgcc1 ? ?
[19:23] <asac> i would try swapping that out
[19:23] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i'm running the debian libgcc1 too
[19:25] <asac> chrisccoulson: goes away if you disable JEMALLOC ?
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> asac - i haven't tried that, but i would imagine so
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> the parts of the test suite that aren't using jemalloc are working ok anyway
[19:26] <asac> chrisccoulson: also swapped out plain big libc?
[19:27] <asac> ;)
[19:28] <asac> anyway ... talk is cheap. me stops now
[19:28]  * asac goes away for a bit
[20:50] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, building from mozilla-central with minimal build options works fine with gcc-4.5
[20:51] <chrisccoulson> so, it's either one of our build options or patches
[20:58] <asac> cool
[20:59] <asac> guess build options
[20:59] <asac> though its odd. most build options are really coming from default gcc settings and not from our packaging
[21:40] <fta> jdstrand, do i still need to create a bug for releasing chromium?
[21:40] <jdstrand> fta: yes please
[21:51] <fta> jdstrand, bug 663523
[21:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663523 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "6.0.472.63~r59945 -> 7.0.517.41~r62167 upgrade (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663523
[21:51] <fta> i guess i should build with gcc 4.4 in natty for now :(
[23:39] <fta> micahg, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/thunderbird
[23:51] <micahg> fta: thanks for the tip, I need to be more vigilant about the stable and daily PPAs