[00:36] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187641 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Rename saveInstalledSelectionsList() to saveInstalledPackagesList() since things already installed aren't really selections.
[00:37] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1187642 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Use the new saveInstalledPackagesList() function to add a GUI option to save a list of all installed packages, so that it can be read on another computer/install.
[00:38] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1187643 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (ChangeLog muon/MainWindow.cpp) Add the new Save Installed Packages List action to the list of things enabled/disabled by setActionsEnabled. Also, fix a bug where loadSelections was never enabled after being disabled by setActionsEnabled(false)
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> hrm, nothing like a list of every package on the system to find a several bugs in your list parser :/
[02:19] <highvoltage> Riddell: heya, the games images on http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour doesn't seem to link to valid images
[02:20] <highvoltage> Riddell: oops, scratch that, it started working now (I guess my connection is a bit crappy atm)
[04:48] <CIA-46> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187674 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp (log message trimmed)
[04:48] <CIA-46> The ParseQuoteWord function from APT's strutl's was doing way less magic than I
[04:48] <CIA-46> thought. It is much easier, safer and less error-prone to use the wonderful
[04:48] <JontheEchidna> QString is just so awesome
[04:49] <JontheEchidna> g'night
[09:44] <shadeslayer_> \o
[10:11] <markey> morning
[10:12] <valorie> hey folks, I did post to about Amarok's fundraising on the Kubuntuforums, as suggested
[10:13] <valorie> but it would be great to have a news story on the Kubuntu.org site
[10:13] <valorie> we're running out of month
[10:13] <valorie> and would like to reach Kubuntu users
[10:22] <apachelogger> ryanakca: ^
[10:38] <valorie> I can write an email, and submit a story that way
[10:41] <valorie> I also posted to ubuntuforums, since those are more widely used
[11:26] <jussi> *G* http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/10/20/ubuntu-and-qt/
[11:46] <al> uh, he said "jehovah"
[11:47] <Tm_T> al: hm?
[11:48] <al> Tm_T: sorry, just a movie reference
[11:48] <al> meaning that the guy advocating qt in ubuntu is about to get stoned to death
[11:48] <al> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_hlMK7tCks)
[11:48] <Tm_T> aaah, brian...
[11:49] <al> yea :>
[11:50] <Tm_T> interesting, my mail inbox (which contains only those which aren't filtered to other folders) has only 2999 unread mails
[12:06] <markey> funny: the main Kubuntu repo is faster than the Swiss mirror
[12:06] <markey> although I am in Switzerland...
[12:06] <markey> :)
[12:43] <ScottK> al: He's the CTO of Canonical.  I doubt he'll get stoned by the raving gtk+ fans.
[13:18] <Sput> ScottK: because there's only about a dozen gtk fans left?
[13:19] <ScottK> Hard to say.
[13:19] <Sput> true, legacy software dies hard
[13:22] <ScottK> We should welcome that they eventually see the light rather than be smug we saw it first (even if it is true).
[13:22] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:37] <Sput> of course.
[13:45] <highvoltage> there are gtk fans left!
[13:45] <highvoltage> gtk fans realise that qt is pretty cool though.
[13:46]  * highvoltage wonders how he ended up on #kubuntu-devel :)
[13:48] <ScottK> highvoltage: These are the same ones that use Gnome because KDE isn't free enough?
[13:52] <highvoltage> ScottK: I haven't come across those kind in *ages*
[13:53] <ScottK> OK.  Just some variation of stuck in the past then.
[13:54]  * ScottK loves how people do something for one reason and then if that reason goes away, then they suddenly have other reasons for continuing to do it.
[14:22] <markey> http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/10/20/ubuntu-and-qt/
[14:22] <markey> ^ Enjoy :)
[14:22] <markey> (and we saw it coming, didn't we?)
[14:23] <ScottK> markey: Already discussed (see the backscroll)
[14:24] <markey> kk
[14:51] <shtylman> ScottK: will be interesting to see what comes of this from UDS... I wouldn't read too much into it unless they can make disk space.. which there is a blueprint for using lzma compression for the live cd
[14:56] <shadeslayer> shtylman: yeah i saw that one too, /me is thinking of attending, itll be interesting to see what they come up with
[14:56] <markey> well, the funny thing is, I actually talked about this with a few friends from KDE, at Qt Developer Days
[14:56] <markey> I made the prediction: At the latest in 2 years, Ubuntu will switch to Qt (and/or KDE)
[14:57] <markey> and Mark S. has been planning this for a long timee
[14:57] <markey> I mean, he has no choice
[14:57] <markey> GTK is dead
[14:57] <markey> my friends said: "NO WAY."
[14:57] <markey> hahaha
[14:57] <markey> I actually told the same thing to Mark S. a while ago, and he just laughed
[14:57] <markey> who's laughing now? :)
[15:01] <shtylman> markey: they will not switch to kde
[15:01] <shtylman> but I can see them making some interface components (for netbook..etc) in qt if they have it available
[15:02] <cmagina> i can't imagine that switch occurring either. too much investment into the current setup.  its more likely new apps are written using qt instead
[15:02] <shadeslayer> uh ....
[15:02] <shadeslayer> markey: cmagina is right
[15:02] <cmagina> it could make it easier for kubuntu to use these new apps however
[15:03] <markey> there is no choice. as I said, GTK is dead in the water
[15:03] <markey> you cannot save it
[15:03] <markey> it needs a complete rewrite
[15:03] <markey> Qt is very well maintained, thanks to Nokia
[15:04] <markey> and I bet Mark S. has been talking to Nokia
[15:04] <ScottK> You mean deprecating some obsolete libraries and calling it gtk3 won't be enough?
[15:04] <markey> no :)
[15:04] <markey> it will not
[15:04] <markey> GNOME is standing on a shaky foundation
[15:04] <shadeslayer> gnome doesnt have commercial sponsors?
[15:05] <ScottK> A large fraction of it's devs work for Red Hat.
[15:05] <cmagina> many of the corporations, if not all, use it for their enterprise distributions
[15:06] <jussi> hrm, whats the status of  ubuntu one in kubuntu currently?
[15:06] <cmagina> think its dead
 Qt is very well maintained, thanks to Nokia
[15:06] <cmagina> the post to the bug in lp wasn't very positive and it doesn't seem to work in maverick
[15:07] <al> uh .. isn't nokia dropping linux/x11 tier 1 support in the next qt release?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> jussi: i got your kuta :)
[15:07] <shadeslayer> al: if theyre switching to raster, id be +1
[15:07] <shadeslayer> or are they dropping the linux port?
[15:07] <al> shadeslayer: no, it's more like replacing linux with windows 7
[15:08] <markey> al: no.
[15:08] <markey> I was at Qt Developer Days
[15:08] <markey> they explicitely said they won't do that
[15:08] <shadeslayer> that case -∞
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ah well
[15:08] <jussi> shadeslayer: huh?
[15:08] <jussi> oh, kuta
[15:08] <jussi> :D
[15:08] <shadeslayer> jussi: your long indian shirt :P
[15:08] <jussi> awesome!
[15:09] <ScottK> jussi: The status is that we'll discuss it at UDS.  Given the contributor agreement that's required, I doubt much will come of it unless Canonical decides to fund it.
[15:09] <jussi> forgot what it was called for a second there
[15:09] <al> markey: but they did say they would in the past, didn't they?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> hahaha 
[15:09] <jussi> ScottK: but do we have a working client?
[15:09] <ScottK> jussi: Nope.  Don't now, never really did.
[15:09] <jussi> ok, thats the info I was after :D
[15:10] <ScottK> apachelogger almost had one.
[15:10] <cmagina> yeah, it worked for a bit
[15:10] <shadeslayer> aye
[15:11] <cmagina> do we have a gobby equivalent kde/qt app?
[15:12] <markey> yes
[15:12] <markey> Kobby
[15:12] <markey> (not kidding)
[15:12] <markey> stupid name...
[15:12] <cmagina> i remember it
[15:12] <cmagina> does it work with gobby?
[15:12] <markey> and honestly: Gobby is complete and utter shite
[15:12] <markey> I had to use that at a company
[15:12] <cmagina> ah, never used it
[15:12] <markey> it's not exactly fully featured
[15:12] <markey> in fact it looks half finished
[15:13] <cmagina> not surprising, everyone probably just uses google docs instead
[15:13] <ScottK> We make extensive use of it in Ubuntu during the developer summit.
[15:14] <ScottK> Given the audience of the meeting, it works out well.
[15:14] <cmagina> ok, does kobby interact the same way during those sessions or do you have to use gobby? (going to uds :) )
[15:15] <shtylman> they demoed some web thing last UDS
[15:15] <shtylman> that might get used this time.. who knows
[15:17] <shadeslayer> shtylman: you mean ... http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/
[15:17] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:19] <shtylman> haha..no
[15:20] <ScottK> cmagina: It depends on which version of Gobby they decide to use.  There are two server types and they are incompatible.  If they use the newer one that Kobby works with, it'll be fine.
[15:20]  * ScottK has them both installed, just in case.
[15:20] <cmagina> ScottK: ah, thanks
[15:20] <cmagina> i'll probably just do the same
[15:21] <ScottK> jussi: Do you know which server they will run for Gobby?
[15:21] <jussi> ScottK: no, I do not
[15:21] <ScottK> OK.
[15:21] <jussi> probably the old one tho
[15:21]  * jussi grumbles
[15:35] <shadeslayer> uh
[15:35] <shadeslayer> wow ^
[15:39] <shadeslayer> agateau: your @ Orlando? :O
[15:44] <agateau> shadeslayer: yup
[15:44] <shadeslayer> agateau: hows the weather? :D
[15:44] <agateau> shadeslayer: great so far!
[15:44] <agateau> shadeslayer: and the venue is amazing
[15:45] <shadeslayer> oooh
[15:45] <ScottK> agateau: How goes getting the appmenu changes into Qt 4.8?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> hmm...no one noticed :(
[15:53] <agateau> ScottK: I made the changes Qt devs asked, haven't received feedback yet. they will probably get back to us on this during UDS 
[15:53] <ScottK> agateau: Great. See you there.  Got some very positive feedback about netbook.  I think the appmenu changes are a significant part of that.
[15:54] <agateau> ScottK: sweet
[16:43] <shadeslayer> agateau: Knut is coming to UDS right?
[16:45] <agateau> shadeslayer: Knut Irvin you mean? I don't know
[16:45] <agateau> shadeslayer: I know a few Qt people are coming
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Yrvin ... yes
[16:46] <shadeslayer> oh well....
[16:47] <shadeslayer> afaik thiago is coming
[16:49] <ScottK> He was at the last one.
[16:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thiago? his name is listed on the wiki and i talked to him a couple of days back and he said he will be attending
[16:54] <ScottK> Cool.
[16:55] <shadeslayer> hadnt registered by then tho :)
[17:23] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: happy birthday
[17:23] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:23] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: thanks!
[17:24] <nixternal> happy birthday shadeslayer \o/  you are getting to be an old fart like ScottK  :p
[17:25] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:25] <shadeslayer> nixternal: im 20 .. thats as old i want to get
[17:25] <neversfelde> ah and happy birthday Ubuntu :)
[17:25] <shadeslayer> oh.. something i completely missed ^
[17:26] <shadeslayer> now... is that a coincidence ? :D
[17:39] <shadeslayer>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: kdevplatform-dev (>= 1.0.90) but it is not going to be installed. << haha
[18:00] <Quintasan> debfx: gratz
[18:00] <Quintasan> haha, shadeslayer is 20 years old now? soo oooold :P
[18:00]  * shadeslayer feels old
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: stop it! :'(
[18:01]  * Quintasan pats shadeslayer on the back
[18:02] <Quintasan> oh god, so many bad things are going to happen next week
[18:02] <neversfelde> someone should kick Quintasan :)
[18:02] <Quintasan> neversfelde: why? :<
[18:02] <neversfelde> probably one of the older people in here 
[18:02] <Quintasan> Me?
[18:02] <neversfelde> Quintasan: was a joke
[18:02] <Quintasan> oh :P
[18:02] <Quintasan> I think I'm the youngest one here, not that it matters that much.
[18:03] <debfx> Quintasan: for what? :)
[18:04] <Quintasan> debfx: well, becoming a MOTU :P
[18:04]  * Quintasan is far behind the latest info
[18:04] <debfx> ah, thanks :)
[18:04] <neversfelde> debfx: congrats
[18:06] <debfx> shadeslayer: happy brithday
[18:06] <shadeslayer> debfx: thanks :)
[18:09] <steveire> Who is Matt Zimmermann?
[18:09] <steveire> Canonical guy?
[18:11] <ScottK> steveire: CTO of Canonical, so yeah.
[18:12] <shadeslayer> hahah ... i just expanded CTO to Counter Terrorist organization :P
[18:13] <steveire> Is he talking about shipping Qt by default with ubuntu, or is he talking about porting gnome to Qt ?
[18:18] <shtylman> steveire: probly about shipping
[18:18] <shadeslayer> kdevelop final uploaded, plz test
[18:27]  * debfx finally pushed the kdeedu merge to bzr
[19:00] <shadeslayer> look what i found http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kamoso_20262010_232609.png
[19:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maco Riddell jussi ^
[19:00] <shadeslayer> Lex79: and Quintasan ^
[19:03] <neversfelde> a bad picture of a Kubuntu CD?
[19:03] <shtylman> a historic artifact
[19:04] <neversfelde> isn't it Lucid?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> no!
[19:06] <shadeslayer> its fiesty
[19:06] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:06] <neversfelde> oh ok
[19:07] <neversfelde> the oldest one I have is Dapper I think
[19:08] <neversfelde> haven'nt been home for 2 month now, so I do not remember :)
[19:09] <shadeslayer> IIRC i have a older ubuntu CD, this is the oldest kubuntu cd i have i think
[19:09] <shadeslayer> the drawer is jammed shut, so i cant open it and check
[19:14] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: blame the bad picture on my webcam :P
[19:15] <shadeslayer> cya people.... im off to sleep
[19:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bug 657219, added install info, works now
[19:58] <ari-tczew> debfx: could you take a look on merge serna-free? It's FTBFS, maybe you can fix it,
[20:12] <markey> apachelogger: still interested in the Phonon maintainer thing?
[20:44] <skfin> Good evening, I'm wondering is it allowed to use images like http://www.kubuntu.org/themes/kubuntu10.04/images/bg-bar.png at Local Community team website, hosted by Canonical
[20:47] <Riddell> skfin: actually that comes from a KDE wallpaper, fine to use it, check kdebase-workspace if you want to find out the licence (LGPL I expect)
[20:48] <debfx> ari-tczew: I'll have a look at it
[20:48] <skfin> Riddell: Okay, thanks
[20:48] <ari-tczew> thanks debfx
[20:50] <Riddell> skfin: giving a loco site some kubuntu love?
[20:50] <skfin> Yeah, of course :P
[20:51] <skfin> Finnish LoCo team had awful Kubuntu site
[20:51] <skfin> See, we have own page for Kubuntu
[20:52] <Riddell> skfin: great
[20:53] <skfin> Yeah...
[20:53] <skfin> Have been doing it fo few hours now :P
[20:56] <markey> wb Riddell
[20:57] <skfin> It looks like kubuntu.org now but it's written from clean table
[20:57] <skfin> And it has some fixes, improvements and failures
[21:03] <neversfelde> skfin: hi and greetings from german Kubuntu local team :)
[21:04] <skfin> Hey there :D
[21:05] <neversfelde> skfin: we are always looking for other teams to communicate about experiences, so if you are interested, let's have a talk :)
[21:05] <skfin> Well, I'm not the contact person of Ubuntu Finland
[21:05] <skfin> The contact person is also a Kubuntu guy :P
[21:06] <neversfelde> isn't jussi from finland?
[21:06] <skfin> Yes and he is the contact person :D
[21:06] <neversfelde> ok
[21:06] <jussi> umm
[21:06] <jussi> what?
[21:06] <skfin> Oh not that
[21:06] <skfin> The contact person is another jussi
[21:06] <skfin> Hmph
[21:06] <jussi> Tm_T: I guess
[21:06] <neversfelde> hehe
[21:07] <skfin> neversfelde: He is Tm_T 
[21:07] <neversfelde> I know about 4 Kubuntu local teams, I think
[21:07] <neversfelde> somewhere in south america, in iran, finland and germany
[21:08] <neversfelde> jussi: sorry for disturbing
[21:08] <jussi> no probs :D
[21:08] <Tm_T> who called me?
[21:10] <skfin> Tm_T: neversfelde is from german Kubuntu local team and wants to share experiences with Finnish team and I pointed that you are the contact person
[21:10] <Tm_T> ah, yes
[21:11] <neversfelde> I have to sleep, but we should really do this
[21:11] <neversfelde> gn8
[21:12] <Tm_T> neversfelde: good night and looking forward on this (:
[21:13] <debfx> ari-tczew: serna-free builds fine
[21:13] <debfx> it spams the build log with xml errors, but apparently they aren't fatal
[21:14] <ari-tczew> debfx: hmm... after upload, could you share me a debdiff? I'll compare yours with mine.
[21:14] <ari-tczew> debfx: what distro do you use?
[21:14] <ari-tczew> I use pbuilder-dist on maverick.
[21:18] <debfx> ari-tczew: sure
[21:18] <debfx> what build error did you get?
[21:19] <debfx> a natty pbuilder on maverick
[21:20] <ari-tczew> debfx: dunno, I didn't save the buildlog. Now pbuilder is busy, I'll retry build serna-free after current building.
[21:25] <debfx> I wonder if that package should be moved to non-free/multiverse, it contains a file called debian/3rd/DITA-OT1.4_fullpackage_bin.tar.gz
[21:26] <debfx> which contains a bunch of java .class files without the source code
[21:29] <apachelogger> markey: if I knew what exactly that would involve work wise...
[21:31] <ari-tczew> debfx: could you test also build pdf-presenter-console? it;s to sync but it's ftbfs as well. maybe is something wrong with my pbuilder
[21:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you mark it in the bug.  It needs to be someone other than the uploader that verifies it.
[21:34] <sheytan> Hey guys
[21:35] <sheytan> is it possible to create a launcher with icon and put a dbus command in there to activate kwin plugins by click?
[21:35] <sheytan> like the desktop grid
[21:35] <sheytan> instead of a shortcut
[21:36] <Lex79> interesting: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/mark-shuttleworth-talks-projcet-harmony-unity-and-more/
[21:36] <Lex79> I'm wondering who is the muppet whit wet dreams here
[21:36] <markey> apachelogger: well, basically: 1) coordinating developers a bit. currently it's complete chaos. 2) defining our goals. 3) maybe doing a bit bug triaging (no worries, there are not that many reports)
[21:37] <markey> apachelogger: so, using our (human) resources to their full potential
[21:37] <markey> currently we are wasting a lot
[21:37] <markey> j-b is doing the odd hack on Phonon-VLC, Phonon-GStreamer is a wasteland, etc
[21:37] <markey> but we actually have some manpower
[21:44] <apachelogger> I gues I could do that
[21:46] <mgraesslin> sheytan: yes should be possible
[21:46] <sheytan> mgraesslin may i have the command for desktop grid? :D
[21:47] <mgraesslin> sheytan: it should be possible to activate KActions via dbus, but don't ask me how ;-)
[21:55] <ari-tczew> debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/517046/
[22:28] <apachelogger> omg
[22:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: happy bday
[22:48] <CIA-46> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1187969 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Protection against malformed files, which was lost in the previous commit.
[22:55] <nixternal> ooh, lots of groovy qt love on p.u.c - way to go mdz
[23:13] <maco> why does knm have such useless icons? it has one icon thats the same for "connecting" and "connected". sometimes it changes and claims to still be connected but ping doesn't work. 30 seconds or so later, it'll switch to the connected/connected icon as it tries to reconnect
[23:17] <sheytan> hey guys
[23:17] <sheytan> what do you think about this http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/755/amarokalbums.jpg
[23:17] <sheytan> http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/606/amarokaddwidgets.jpg
[23:18] <sheytan> my new baby :D
[23:18] <sheytan> done by myself :D
[23:23] <nixternal> sheytan: I think it looks good
[23:25] <sheytan> nixternal thank you :)
[23:34] <Lex79> shadeslayer: happy brithday :)
[23:39] <markey> apachelogger: ping
[23:39] <markey> shadeslayer: happy birthday :D