[00:00] <lordganesh> pr0xy: see dpkg --version output http://paste.ubuntu.com/516515/
[00:08] <galoisfield> lordganesh: can i know what is qtparted for? because i too tried to install that but it wasnt found..
[00:08] <pr0xy> looks up to date.
[00:08] <galoisfield> pr0xy: yes..his dpkg is up to date..
[00:08] <pr0xy> NO! galoisfield. You can't know what qtparted is for!
[00:08] <lordganesh> galoisfield: anyway it happen for anything I try to install it using apt-get
[00:08] <pr0xy> it's a secret, see.
[00:09] <James147> lordganesh: try running "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install"
[00:10] <lordganesh> James147: I already tried that. It doesn't work
[00:11] <galoisfield> pr0xy: good joke..i saw that its for manipulating partition tables..thanku that i found myself :)
[00:11] <sithlord48> i'm having issues w/ amarok (kde 2.3.2) i put some files in my ~/music and it didn't add them to the collection.. so i tried "update collection" and the full rescan no change. i have even removed my ~/.kde/apps/share/amarok folder now it only sees 161 tracks in that folder (of over 7k )
[00:15] <pr0xy> galoisfield, was it actually funny?
[00:16] <galoisfield> pr0xy: to an extent :)
[00:16] <pr0xy> lol.
[00:18] <pr0xy> Hey, if nerdy_kid comes back, can you say that I'm AFK cuz of Scouts?
[00:20] <pr0xy> cuz I am.
[00:21] <pr0xy> Hey, galoisfield. If nerdy_kid comes back, can you say that I'm AFK cuz of Scouts?
[00:24] <galoisfield> pr0xy: sure..but i ll crash by 10-15 mts
[00:26] <pr0xy> ok
[00:41] <nerdy_kid> pr0xy im back
[00:42] <galoisfield> nerdy_kid: proxy left u a msg that he s afk cuz of scouts :)
[00:43] <nerdy_kid> galoisfield thanks, but what does afk mean?  :-/
[00:43] <galoisfield> away from keyboard :)
[00:45] <nerdy_kid> galoisfield ah ok, sorry!  thanks :)
[00:45] <galoisfield> nerdy_kid: what sorry is for.. no need dude :P
[00:47] <nerdy_kid> galoisfield cause im such a noob with abbreviations :D
[02:19] <nixbox> i am using kubuntu 10.04, when i open a flash video (youtube for instance) in firefox, the sound stutters, how can i fix this?
[02:26] <compaq1223> Does everyone here use linux? or?
[02:42] <alex> hello,after upgrade to 10.10,I find the theme is a little bit dark,how can I make it ligther
[02:42] <deokanon> i'm kind of a n00b at this, so i am not sure what are the full specs required for ubuntu 10.10 to function properly
[02:42] <deokanon> and that was the only website i found
[02:43] <deokanon> can anyone post a link with the full specs for ubuntu 10.10? thanks
[02:44] <deokanon> whoa this is a kubuntu channel lol
[03:19] <jschall> how do i get firefox integrated with kde properly in 10.10? it looks all wrong and doesn't know what to do with downloaded files.
[03:42] <pr0xy> nerdy_kid still here?
[03:45] <pr0xy> anyone here?
[03:45] <pr0xy> hellohellohello
[03:45] <pr0xy> ?
[03:46] <pr0xy> !ping
[03:46] <pr0xy> !ping
[03:46] <pr0xy> !whatis love
[03:46] <pr0xy> !music
[03:47] <pr0xy> !ubottu
[03:47] <jeremy> I have a couple questions about my ubuntu installation..
[03:49] <Guest68983> I downloaded google chrome and it isnt allowing me to view videos on youtube/facebook...  says I need flash player, and as far as adobes website goes, it says its part of chrome.. I checked the plugins and there is no flash player.. any ideas ?
[03:51] <leandrodeassis> Guest68983: i386 or amd64?
[03:51] <Guest68983> its the amd64 iso I installed from
[03:52] <leandrodeassis> Guest68983: wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer_square_p2_64bit_linux_092710.tar.gz
[03:53] <leandrodeassis> Guest68983: sudo tar xzf flashplayer_square_p2_64bit_linux_092710.tar.gz -C /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins
[03:53] <leandrodeassis> and restart chromium
[04:57] <NinjaNumberNine> hi all, this probably isn't the best place to start this, but i'm having issues with nvidia drivers... (GeForce 7300 LE) and jockey-kde will not start at all.
[04:59] <NinjaNumberNine> anyone? :(
[05:01]  * NinjaNumberNine is in awe of the apparent sheer number of lurkers on the official kubuntu irc
[05:06] <phoenix_> hello
[05:07] <phoenix_> NinjaNumberNine: hi
[05:14] <NinjaNumberNine> phoenix: hiya
[05:16] <NinjaNumberNine> is it normally this quiet on here?
[05:39] <phoenix_> NinjaNumberNine: its because most of them are sleeping. what the time zone of us
[05:41] <NinjaNumberNine> its 11:40 here, but this issue needs to be fixed before tomorrow morning for my dad, he's an investor and frankly he needs stability, and isn't finding it in Linux.  I'm afraid he'll switch back to Windows, he keeps talking about it. trust me, I'd be asleep myself if it weren't for that.
[05:42] <NinjaNumberNine> (central time zone, us, but if figured there would be people from other countries where it's daytime)
[05:48] <NinjaNumberNine> I'm trying a dist upgrade from Lucid to Maverick, perhaps this will help... anyhows it says it's going to restart the computer when finished, so i'll say bye while i still can... 8)
[05:48]  * NinjaNumberNine yawns
[06:05] <jmichaelx> i wish this freaking firefox-kde-support business actually worked
[06:46] <|multipass|> hey, dumbish question, but is kubuntu as stable as gnome? or is there anything id have to worrry about :o
[06:54] <pibarnas> |multipass|: what release? and I think so.
[07:57] <andrew__> Hello. Could anyone help newbie with working around some interface problems?
[08:00] <andrew__> 1) sudo password dialog always pops under the active window 2) "K start" menu starts unwanted drag operation durind navigation 3) software center disappears right after click on "install"
[08:02] <andrew__> 4) is there any djview viewer, which allows to view a document as 2 pages starting from _any_page
[08:05] <ubuntu> Hello
[08:07] <ubuntu> Does anybody know why i'm not able to connect to internet thru "Network management settings... mine is  DSL connection
[08:08] <ubuntu> right now i got connected thru by issuing the command pon dsl-provider
[08:38] <andrew__> useless place. bye
[09:59] <fanti> hello! what is akonadiserver for? and why does it start own mysql-server instances?
[10:10] <gigasoft> somthing turns off my desktop effects, how can i desable that programe ?
[10:10] <gigasoft> disable
[10:17] <volodya> does anybody notice bugs drawing popup menus with using latest nvidia driver?
[10:17] <volodya> They are sometimes only partially drawn.
[10:23] <Peace-> volodya: try colibry notifications
[10:23] <Peace-> volodya: maybe it's better
[10:24] <Peace-> volodya: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Colibri?content=117147
[10:28] <Peace-> gigasoft: 10.10?
[10:28] <Peace-> intel video card?
[10:28] <Peace-> volodya:  you can download colibri here http://ppa.launchpad.net/agateau/colibri/ubuntu/pool/main/c/colibri/
[10:29] <volodya> Peace-: why do you think notifications might affect menu rendering everywhere?
[10:29] <Peace-> volodya: read bad sorry
[10:30] <Peace-> volodya: i have read notification instead of popus
[10:30] <Peace-> xD
[10:30] <Peace-> wow
[10:30] <Peace-> maybe becasue i hate too much default notifications
[11:30] <stever> hello. can anyone tell me where i can change the download server in kubuntu? i'm getting very slow downloads from http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:31] <Peace-> stever: mm
[11:31] <Peace-> just a sec
[11:32] <Peace-> stever: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/maverick/desktop/kubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[11:32] <Peace-> that is 32bit
[11:32] <Peace-> of kubuntu dedktop
[11:32] <Peace-> version
[11:32] <FloodBotK2> Peace-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:32] <stever> odd it has just started going faster. from 15kB/s to 216kB/s, fluctuating a bit
[11:32] <stever> i mean for updates
[11:32] <Peace-> stever: i have download kbuntu at 700k
[11:32] <Peace-> italy
[11:32] <Peace-> here
[11:33] <Peace-> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block
[11:34] <stever> i'd like to find out how to change mirror when using apt-get
[11:35] <rork> Peace-: kpackagekit > Settings or manually change /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:35] <rork> Peace-: although I think they changed the default package manager in 10.10
[11:36] <stever> rork: thanks, that's what i'm after.
[11:36] <rork> you're welcome
[12:03] <andreaxxx> hello, does anyone using natty have problems with fonts today? the bold font in apps looks too big and blurred
[12:10] <sagaci> i wish kubuntu had more ubuntu in it
[12:11] <Tm_T> andreaxxx: natty is not supported here until it's released
[12:12] <andreaxxx> Tm_T: ok, sorry didn't know that. i just switched after 10 years of debian and i still have to  understand stuff like this ;) Is there any support/discussion forum/irc chan for natty users?
[12:13] <sagaci> is it #kubuntu+1
[12:13] <andreaxxx> ty
[12:14] <Tm_T> andreaxxx: actually natty isn't supported in any way yet, as the development haven't even started yet
[12:14] <bazhang> sagaci, #ubuntu+1
[12:14] <sagaci> ubuntu+1 is up now I see
[12:14] <sagaci> bazhang: yeah, just saw
[12:16] <mazufzi> Options|Connect|Servers|Add:Server:irc.fu-berlin.de
[12:26] <ghatak_> What is the difference between installing a system from Kubuntu live cd. and installing using ubuntu netinstall.iso (minimal install) and doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[12:27] <James147> ghatak_: the minimal will get the packages form the internet rather then from the cd
[12:28] <James147> ghatak_: but their is no real difference between installing kubuntu from disk and installing ubuntu-desktop on it and installing ubuntu from disk and installing kubuntu-desktop on that
[12:28] <ghatak_> James147: I was more interested in knowing, what would be the difference in terms of end product ?
[12:28] <sagaci> wouldn't it be nice if the kickoff menu was an ubuntu logo rather than a generic kde
[12:29] <sagaci> I like to feel like i'm using kubuntu, not a generic kde desktop
[12:29] <James147> sagaci: then change it
[12:29] <James147> :)
[12:30] <James147> sagaci: also, why would oyu use the ubntu logo, surly tyhe kubuntu one is better if you want to 'eel' like your using kubuntu ?  :)
[12:30] <James147> s/ell/feel/
[12:30] <James147> s/eel/feel/  even :p
[12:31] <rork> ghatak_: if you install from the live cd you get a complete system including open-openoffice and all other software, when you do a minimal install and install kubuntu-desktop (with the --no-install-recommends) option you can have more control on which software is installed
[12:32] <James147> ^^ but from either approch you can uninstall/install the software you wantt o get the system you want :) it just depends on whats more effort
[12:32] <rork> indeed
[12:33] <sagaci> James147: I'm just saying if ubuntu used a gnome icon for their application menu, wouldn't it feel less consistent
[12:33] <rork> and it would depend on your bandwith, cpu and stuff like that
[12:33] <James147> sagaci: I would hate to see the gnome icons in kde :S
[12:34] <sagaci> James147: no, if normal ubuntu used the gnome icon instead of an ubuntu icon
[12:34] <James147> sagaci: then thats a matter for #ubuntu
[12:34] <sagaci> James147: has it been discussed whether to use a kubuntu icon on the kickstarter menu by default
[12:35] <James147> sagaci: not sure, you could try asking in #kubuntu-devel
[12:49] <Krishnandu> krow
[12:55] <Bubulle_> hello, why quanta+ is not in Kdewebdev, Why kdewebdev is empty except documentation, whay quanta+ packages are exclusive of kdewebdev? What shoould I install to have a proper web project development in kde?
[13:02] <leagris> according to /usr/share/doc/kdewebdev/README The kdewebdev package contains Quanta Plus and other applications,  But there is no quanta+ in the package. Why this mess ?
[13:05] <James147> leagris: only quanta applicaiton I can find is the kde3.5 version... :S
[13:05] <James147> in the repos taht is
[13:10] <James147> leagris: from waht I can see there is no current kde 4 version of quanta for lack of developers... thus why its not included in the kde4 version of kdewebdev
[13:10] <andreaxxx> exactly
[13:14] <leagris> ok, the README file is misleading though
[13:15] <andreaxxx> leagris:  if you want to stick with kde apps your options are kdevelop or kate. I'm a free lance webdesigner and i've managed to use kate only, though i know it cannot be ideal for everyone
[13:19] <leagris> andreaxxx, I liked the project managment of quanta, having push updates through ftp, html tidy... Trying kate now
[13:54] <JuJuBee> Anybody here know squid?  #squid is dead....
[13:55] <JuJuBee> Where can I get help with squid if not here?
[13:55] <JuJuBee> Other than google...
[13:55] <rork> maybe just ask your question
[13:56] <JuJuBee> Sorry, am in wrong channel for that ...   I need help getting a squid config working http://pastie.org/1235294 as I think it should be working. Someone please help?
[13:59] <z6akabtmini> hi guys I need help asap
[14:00] <James147> !help | z6akabtmini
[14:02] <alex_> kubuntu 10.10 seems dark(I mean bar and frame),how can I adjust it to lighter?
[14:04] <James147> alex_: change the colour theme... (system settings > application appeaence > colours)
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:20] <batterfly> hi
[14:21] <batterfly> "This channel was created on 26.11.2006 09:42:42."    why?    kubuntu did not exist Before 2006?
[14:22] <James147> batterfly: all that says is that kubuntu was popular enough to have a irc channel in 2006...
[14:22] <batterfly> ok
[14:24] <BluesKaj> strange situation here . My media server has nvivdia 7600gt and runs fine without probs including desktop effects etc. My desktop pc has a nvidia 8400gs and runs like an elcheapo onboard ati , jerky mouse, slow FPS etc.. both cards are running the same nvidia drivers ...any ideas?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> hi James147, batterfly
[14:26] <James147> hey BluesKaj
[14:28] <BluesKaj> the 8400gs is not defective , because W7 graphics are very quick on it
[14:33] <BluesKaj> gonna repeat my question in #ubuntu
[14:37] <LogicallyDashing> I have both Dvorak and Spanish keyboard layouts enabled. They work fine until I switch to my secondary (Spanish) layout, whereupon holding Control causes the keyboard to revert to Dvorak. I don't want it to do that. How do I make it stop?
[15:06] <IceTruckKiller> 'Jour
[15:51] <sushiyant> how to make diffirent desktop activity in multi desktops for KDE
[16:01] <rork> sushiyant: System Settings > Desktop > Multiple Desktops > Different Activity for  desktops. Then add widgets to the different desktops
[16:02] <smooph> hi Guys I am having problems with my dual-head setup with an old intel graphics on 10.10
[16:04] <smooph> in 10.04 I had to execute "xrandr --auto --output DVI1 --mode 1280x1024 --left-of VGA1" and could use both my monitors ... but this is not working anymore ... I mean kubuntu does recognize the second screen but doesn't expand the desktop to it
[16:04] <smooph> an thoughts
[16:05] <sushiyant> rork: but my opened softwares shown in all desktops
[17:02] <nobarking> are there any recommendations to tweak Kubuntu for performance?
[17:16] <olskolirc> what was the command that reset all the config files to default?  I forgot
[17:49] <rork> olskolirc: dpkg-reconfigure -a
[18:01] <nebula> Monitor your Internet Traffic Stats using...????
[18:08] <nebula> Monitor your Internet Traffic Stats using...????
[18:11] <nebula> last version for KTorrent ubuntu 10.10 ????
[18:12] <nebula> last version for KTorrent Kubuntu 10.10 ????
[18:30] <Guest65678> ciao a tutti
[18:30] <Guest65678> !list
[19:01] <BajK> hm today I tried my kubuntu external hard disk on a fujitsu laptop
[19:01] <BajK> and it worked quite well but resolution stuff was just a big mess
[19:01] <BajK> I wanted my desktop on the laptop screen and then the desktop being extended to the beamer image
[19:01] <BajK> but that was impossible to manage or configure
[19:34] <gAnApAtI> Hello! It seems that i've lost the menubar in Kubuntu 10.10. Several kde programs like konqueror and dolphin.
[19:34] <gAnApAtI> Search around but it seems to be hard to wrap around. I've been a Kubuntuer for years and this is the first time I stumble upon this one.
[20:05] <apparle> guys I have made a 10GB ext3 using mkfs.ext3 and mounted it using defaults action in fstab
[20:05] <apparle> but why is it read only
[20:16] <chelsea__> yo
[20:16] <chelsea__> did you
[20:17] <chelsea__> know how do you install the driver for wusb600n ?
[20:17] <chelsea__> on 9.04 it's running
[20:17] <rork_> apparle: what's the line of that disk in fstab?
[20:17] <apparle> UUID=cd83c836-1782-4d6c-a67d-838db3a6d599 /media/RANDOM ext3 defaults,rw,user 0 2
[20:18] <teadict> what's the name of Qt's notification library?
[20:19] <sanu01> is kubuntu 10.10 good?
[20:19] <sanu01> better then 10.04?
[20:20] <rork_> apparle: that looks ok to me, I don't know then but I'm curious as well, I've had the same problem
[20:21] <apparle> any genius here
[20:21] <pibarnas> sanu01: better.
[20:21] <jmichaelx> sanu01: just don't go to 10.10 if you are using an intel 945g graphcs adapter
[20:22] <pibarnas> sanu01: new kernel, new kde.
[20:22] <jmichaelx> sanu01: other mobile intel graphics adapters are also doing poorly in 10.10
[20:22] <teadict> knotify, lol
[20:23] <jmichaelx> kde4 notifications suck, most annoying notifications i have ever seen anywhere
[20:23] <apparle> jmichaelx: which version?
[20:24] <apparle> jmichaelx: which version of kubuntu?
[20:24] <jmichaelx> apparle: i'm in kde4.5.2, and yes, there has been an improvement
[20:24] <leandrodeassis> if you're using intel, disable desktop effects or disable direct rendering
[20:24] <jmichaelx> i'm in 10.10
[20:25] <apparle> jmichaelx: I think kubuntu notifications are cool
[20:25] <apparle> jmichaelx: it depends on what you are comparing to... and obviously your choice
[20:25] <jmichaelx> leandrodeassis: i agree... although i would recommend staying in 10.04 one is using intel graphics
[20:26] <jmichaelx> apparle: did you like the notifications prior to kde4.5?
[20:26] <apparle> didn't hate them...
[20:26] <jmichaelx> if one is using....*
[20:26] <leandrodeassis> jmichaelx: agree.
[20:26] <apparle> but didn't like them either
[20:26] <jmichaelx> apparle: many people did hate them
[20:26] <leandrodeassis> jmichaelx: kubuntu 4.5.2 already in kubuntu backports ppa?
[20:27] <jmichaelx> leandrodeassis: yes, it's been there since about the time of 10.10 final release
[20:27] <leandrodeassis> ops
[20:27] <leandrodeassis> kde4.5.2
[20:27] <sanu01> pibarnas, jmichaelx well i have nvidia
[20:27] <leandrodeassis> hmm
[20:27] <jmichaelx> sanu01: with nvidia, you are likely fine
[20:27] <sanu01> only prob is my resolution is quite high 1980x1600
[20:27] <sanu01> so when i update
[20:27] <sanu01> the fonts really become small
[20:28] <sanu01> thats what really puts me down
[20:28] <sanu01> :(
[20:28] <jmichaelx> sanu01: there has been in a change in fonts in 10.10, not sure what all that would effect, but by default some were too small for me, too
[20:28] <jmichaelx> sanu01: just toy with you settings
[20:28] <jmichaelx> your*
[20:29] <sanu01> jmichaelx, can you send me screenshot of your font settings plz/ or settings you toyed with
[20:29] <leandrodeassis> jmichaelx: added this backport: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports it's in 4.5.1 o_O
[20:29] <jmichaelx> sanu01: i can't exactly remember what i did, but just go to your system settings
[20:30] <sanu01> jmichaelx, hmmmm ok
[20:30] <jmichaelx> leandrodeassis: you want the kubuntu-ppa, instead of the kubuntu backports ppa
[20:31] <leandrodeassis> oh
[20:31] <leandrodeassis> sry
[22:04] <lee-x> my ktorrent is running slow when it downloads any type of torrent and my internet goes extremely faster, is there any way i can change the settings to where it will download faster?
[22:05] <rork_> lee-x: Settings > Configure Ktorrent > Network, check if the download speed is limited there
[22:05] <lee-x> no limit
[22:08] <rork_> lee-x: and your not on your maximum number of connections?, what about nobody can seed to you (just some thoughts, gotta go now)
[22:20] <sithlord48> can someone please tell me why amarok sees only 161 songs in my music folder (around 7k files are in the folder)
[22:23] <BlackTenshi> Greetings and salutations
[22:23] <snarkster> sithlord48: check unknown folder
[22:24] <sithlord48> snarkster:  ? whats that suspota mean?
[22:24] <snarkster> gimme a sec to open amarok
[22:24] <sithlord48> i have cleared my ~/.kde/apps/share/amarok folder if thats what your talking about (i have also did a purge / reinstall of amarok it self)
[22:25] <snarkster> oh
[22:25] <snarkster> well anyway what i was talking about is Various Artist, and Unknown artist.
[22:26] <sithlord48> naw it sees only 161 songs.. i have no idea why
[22:27] <sithlord48> i had added some songs to my ~/music folder but i hit rescan it came back w/ 161 tracks.
[22:29] <sithlord48> eh JontheEchidna :)
[22:36] <realslix> hi, my keyboard does not repeat letter oder input by pressing and holding a key
[22:36] <realslix> why
[22:40] <realslix> solved, keyboard repeat was just disabled :)
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> sithlord48: hi
[22:44] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna: hows it going ?
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> not bad
[22:44] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna: btw your doing a great job on muon i haven't even installed synaptic on my Maverick box yet (no need)
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> :)
[22:46] <sithlord48> askually got qt creator open now
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> sithlord48: seen the blog post where I preview Muon 1.1 features?
[22:47] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna:  i dont' think so ..
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> oh! Then allow me to post a link :) http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/whats-cooking-in-muon-trunk/
[22:48] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna: better search? cause it seams to fail some times on searching for packages (when i know they are there)
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> A "slower but accurate" search to complement the quick search currently provided is still on the todo list
[22:49] <sithlord48> well thats why its a todo list i understand
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> The search that Muon has now is really more accurately a "quick search"
[22:49] <sithlord48> yea i was looking for "amarok" before and it could not find it ..
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> really?
[22:50] <sithlord48> really im gonna try again
[22:50] <sithlord48> naturally now it works..
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:50] <sithlord48> now is it auto filter or do i have to press enter
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> it's an auto-filter
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> once you stop typing for ~ half a second
[22:51] <sithlord48> ok then idk cause i noticed this time it did it when i hit enter, and then worked autofilter..
[22:51] <sithlord48> last time i sware it didn't work
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> You could have caught it while it was rebuilding the search index
[22:51] <sithlord48> good now i can do a proper purge of amarok and hopefully fix it
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> and btw there will be a progress bar for search index rebuilding in the main statusbar, so you can tell when that is happening
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> but I have to go now, bbiab
[22:52] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna: and sorry if this in the the cooking link cause i ave not looked yet. can we get a synaptick style im changeing this ?
[22:53] <sithlord48> ok ttu later keep up the good work
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> sithlord48: synaptic style?
[23:28] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna: yes as an example i choose to install the kubuntu-desktop packge. it should have a QmessageBox saying im gonna also mark this stuff
[23:28] <magdalena> hi there
[23:28] <sithlord48> i know that its in the preview changes tab.., but i have forgoten to look there and and important packages removed
[23:28] <magdalena> i have a very strange problem
[23:29] <magdalena> i run all the betas of maverick on my desktop machine
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> sithlord48: I'll put it on the todo list
[23:29] <magdalena> and now, every time a do a right click on one of my tray icons
[23:30] <magdalena> plasma-desktop crashes
[23:30] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna:  its a suggestion , and if i were better w/ Qt i would offter to help but im a new qt programmer and i ahven't touched c in a long time before this.
[23:30] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna: askually you can see on my project svn where im at w/ Qt..  http://blackchocobo.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/blackchocobo/
[23:31] <sithlord48> magdalena: you do relaize maverick is released.. have you done your updates?
[23:35] <magdalena> yeah. I'm uptodate
[23:35] <magdalena> i exactly have this probl: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.bugs/386256
[23:35] <magdalena> found some bug reports in the internet
[23:36] <magdalena> but all people complaining about this reported that -- after upgrading -- the problem went away
[23:36] <sithlord48> magdalena: its just you threw me off when u said maverick beta.. what kde ?
[23:36] <magdalena> but not for me
[23:36] <magdalena> i started with 4.5.0 - I think
[23:37] <magdalena> perhaps it was even a kde 4.5 beta
[23:37] <magdalena> not sure
[23:37] <magdalena> now i'm on 4.5.1
[23:37] <magdalena> and maverick final
[23:38] <magdalena> I even have two other machines which made all the betas and are now final
[23:38] <magdalena> didn't have the problem there
[23:38] <sithlord48> maybe you try the kde 4.5.2 ppa?
[23:38] <sithlord48> that will upgrade all your kde packages..
[23:40] <magdalena> now that you say it. i'm pretty sure, the problem startet with 4.5.0
[23:41] <magdalena> then 4.5.1 came out -- and I thought. maby this upgrade will fix it
[23:41] <sithlord48> idk im on maverick w/ kde 4.5.2 i have no issue..
[23:41] <magdalena> but it didn't
[23:41] <sithlord48> then again i didn't have this issue either
[23:42] <magdalena> I assume that I have one tiny stupid package in the wrong version which isn't upgraded for what ever reason
[23:42] <sithlord48> did you at some point hold a package version?
[23:42] <magdalena> hold a package version? - I dont understand
[23:43] <magdalena> btw: dunno if that helps. killing kded4 resolves this problem... of course, other things stop working then
[23:44] <sithlord48> you can tell the package management system to not upgrade a package, but if you didn't do this manualy chances are this is not the cause
[23:44] <magdalena> besides that: libdbusmenu-qt2 defines this symbol. but the libs seem identical compared to my ohter system
[23:45] <sithlord48> idk that is strange indeed
[23:45] <sithlord48> have you checked to see if you have broken packages ?
[23:45] <magdalena> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   does not report any borken packages
[23:46] <magdalena> same problem with fresh user. btw
[23:46] <magdalena> I even did something like reinstalling all packages and removing the old .deb files beforehand
[23:46] <magdalena> no success neither
[23:47] <sithlord48> well then there goes my next suggestion.
[23:48] <sithlord48> umm maybe you should try kde 4.5.2 ,
[23:48] <magdalena> where can I look, if some packages are held back?
[23:48] <sithlord48> sudo apt-get update / upgrade
[23:48] <magdalena> ah, ok
[23:48] <sithlord48> do update first then upgrade.. in a konsole , it should tell you
[23:49] <magdalena> i dont have packages, which are held back
[23:50] <what_if> On one of my soundcards the line-in port is always playing over the audio-out port. How can I stop this?
[23:51] <sithlord48> what_if: check your volumes in kmixer
[23:51] <magdalena> another possibilty is which I've thouth of is: i have one package which is "too good". let's say i have package x-1.2.3. then after some experiments (i do that from time to time) i have the unoffical x-1.2.4. but after purging the ppa x-1.2.4 is still installed and not downgraded again to x-1.2.3
[23:51] <what_if> have moved and toggled every control in kmix. No way to have input, but no output
[23:52] <sithlord48> what_if: if that does not do it try useing alsamixer in a konsole
[23:52] <magdalena> is there a way I can find sth like that?
[23:52] <sithlord48> magdalena: do u have synpatic?
[23:52] <magdalena> no
[23:52] <magdalena> just konsole
[23:52] <magdalena> kpackagekit from time to time
[23:52] <sithlord48> well idk how to do it w/ o it..
[23:53] <magdalena> well i can install synaptics
[23:53] <sithlord48> you can do sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install synaptic  to get it w/ much less depends
[23:54] <what_if> sithlord48: that was it, the control I wanted was not in Kmix :)
[23:54] <what_if> sithlord48: alsamixergui worked
[23:55] <sithlord48> what_if: yea pulseaudio (the sound system in maverick) seams to only show 1 channel
[23:57] <James147> magdalena: easiest way to downgrade a package is to uninstall the ppa, and reinstall the package
[23:57] <sithlord48> yea that would work
[23:58] <magdalena> ok. i know that. but the probl is -- i dont know which package
[23:58] <magdalena> i installed synaptic. what now?
[23:59] <James147> magdalena: .. well what are you trying to downgrade? what did the ppa offer?
[23:59] <magdalena> james147: you don't know the backstory