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| rockstar | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
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| MootBot | rockstar, There is already a meeting in progress. | 15:00 |
| rockstar | Why is there already a meeting in progress? | 15:01 |
| rockstar | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| rockstar | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
| MootBot | rockstar, There is already a meeting in progress. | 15:01 |
| gary_poster | heh | 15:01 |
| rockstar | Alright, so MootBot sucks. | 15:01 |
| sinzui | I think someone need to pull HAL's memory | 15:01 |
| rockstar | Hi everyone. I'm chairing today's reviewer's meeting since bac is travelling the world this week. | 15:02 |
| rockstar | Who's here? | 15:02 |
| adeuring1 | me | 15:02 |
| gary_poster | me | 15:02 |
| henninge | ,e | 15:02 |
| sinzui | me | 15:02 |
| henninge | me, even | 15:02 |
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| abentley | me | 15:02 |
| salgado | me | 15:02 |
| rockstar | 6 people huh? | 15:03 |
| gary_poster | I pinged leonardr and mars | 15:03 |
| abentley | rockstar: I can pretend to be two people, if you like. | 15:03 |
| leonardr | me | 15:03 |
| sinzui | EdwinGrubbs, meeting? | 15:03 |
| allenap | me | 15:03 |
| rockstar | abentley, if you were on another team, that might help. As it stands, you're usually the only code guy here anyway. :) | 15:03 |
| gary_poster | ...and there were eight... | 15:04 |
| deryck | me | 15:04 |
| flacoste | me | 15:04 |
| not-abentley | me | 15:04 |
| mars | me | 15:04 |
| gary_poster | heh | 15:04 |
| rockstar | Alright, let's not sit and wait for the folks who couldn't remember the meeting that happens at the same time every week. | 15:04 |
| rockstar | Here's the past actions from last week | 15:05 |
| rockstar | Sinzui to investigate making lint check for the Storm 'in' gotcha | 15:05 |
| rockstar | HenningE to add a note to the PSG about the use of any | 15:05 |
| sinzui | No progress yet | 15:05 |
| rockstar | I suspect bac didn't finish that past action, but that henninge knows what it ends with. | 15:05 |
| henninge | I did that | 15:05 |
| rockstar | bac to work with mars regarding a slow introduction of new reviewer points regarding the ArchitectureGuide. (undone) | 15:06 |
| jelmer | me | 15:06 |
| rockstar | henninge, hooray! You get a gold star. | 15:06 |
| henninge | rockstar: it's about the "any" function ;-) | 15:06 |
| rockstar | henninge, ah, okay. Well, I guess it was a finished statement. :) | 15:06 |
| rockstar | Okay, we're 1 for 3 on finishing items. | 15:07 |
| rockstar | Mentat report! | 15:07 |
| rockstar | So, I talked with bac and sinzui about this, but I think it's high time henninge graduates as a UI reviewer. | 15:07 |
| rockstar | salgado, how's mentat life? | 15:08 |
| * henninge is excited! | 15:08 | |
| salgado | going fine so far | 15:08 |
| rockstar | Okay. I guess that's it for that part of the agenda. | 15:09 |
| rockstar | New items | 15:09 |
| rockstar | Make all reviewers a UI mentat similar to the way we do javascript reviews. (lifeless) | 15:09 |
| abentley | rockstar: do not want. | 15:10 |
| rockstar | So, this is not new. It has been entirely acceptable to get UI reviews from two non-UI reviewers. It's been that way since the 3.0 work. | 15:10 |
| rockstar | It's just a PITA to get wrangle more people to do UI reviews. | 15:11 |
| rockstar | abentley, I am curious why you don't want to be a UI reviewer. | 15:11 |
| mars | rockstar, do, as in, become a reviewer? | 15:11 |
| jelmer | rockstar: As I understand it it's ok to get two UI reviews from UI mentats, not necessarily from non-UI reviewers. | 15:11 |
| sinzui | Its a PITA to get people who want to become a full UI reviewer | 15:11 |
| sinzui | there isnt a queue for this | 15:11 |
| rockstar | sinzui, yes, that's true too. | 15:11 |
| abentley | rockstar: I don't want to go through another training process, I don't want to have to do more reviews. | 15:12 |
| sinzui | We supposed that the JS/UI team would all becomes reviewers. Most scared to the four winds when the meeting was abandoned | 15:12 |
| rockstar | jelmer, we've kinda strayed from it, but during the 3.0 work, we needed UI reviews A LOT, and so everyone became a "mentat" | 15:12 |
| abentley | rockstar: I don't think that I have especially good visual design skills. | 15:12 |
| rockstar | sinzui, they were scaring that way before the meeting was abandoned. | 15:12 |
| rockstar | abentley, and you have no desire to develop good visual design skills? | 15:13 |
| jelmer | rockstar: I didn't know that, thanks. | 15:13 |
| abentley | rockstar: there are many things more important to me than that. | 15:13 |
| mars | sounds fair | 15:13 |
| sinzui | abentley, While I do not know your skills, I have raised a similar point with beuno. Most of use were hired for code design skills, not UI design | 15:13 |
| rockstar | Anyone else have opinions? I can bring these thoughts up in the AsiaPac meeting as well. | 15:13 |
| mars | rockstar, the way I do it now is I say "You need a UI review - as rockstar or sinzui" | 15:14 |
| mars | rockstar, will that process change? | 15:14 |
| mars | how will people's expectations for UI reviews change? | 15:14 |
| rockstar | mars, yeah, that's a good question. | 15:15 |
| mars | how will the way they ask for them change, and will they expect something different from their reviewer in return? | 15:15 |
| rockstar | The 3.0 UI still wasn't consistent. The mentat/mentee process makes it so that we at least get a *ahem* "trickle down" affect. | 15:15 |
| mars | different from their currently-code-only reviewer | 15:15 |
| mars | rockstar, so you are asking, if everyone became a UI mentee, would quality suffer? | 15:16 |
| mars | since the current process is a self-selecting one | 15:17 |
| rockstar | mars, I'm not asking anything. I'm "facilitating." | 15:17 |
| gary_poster | :-) | 15:17 |
| sinzui | mars, 3.0 did suffer by the 2-person-yes rule | 15:17 |
| sinzui | We landed dozens of pages without breadcrumbs and we did not discover that until weeks later | 15:18 |
| sinzui | I favour 2-person approval, but I think we still need some review to ensure we are not codifying convention as rules | 15:19 |
| mars | rockstar, do you know what lifeless' goal was in proposing this? | 15:19 |
| rockstar | mars, I think he wants every reviewer to be able to do any review. | 15:20 |
| rockstar | I started to propose a similar javascript review process, but I still don't feel like we, as a team, have a good understanding of javascript, so I backed off. | 15:21 |
| mars | ok, so | 15:21 |
| gary_poster | well, I assume he wants to get a higher throughput on our landing process | 15:21 |
| gary_poster | and guesses that this would help | 15:21 |
| rockstar | gary_poster, yeah, exactly. | 15:21 |
| mars | right | 15:21 |
| rockstar | Especially since there are no antipodean UI reviewers currently. | 15:21 |
| henninge | but will it help our UI quality? | 15:21 |
| gary_poster | ah, that's a big deal | 15:21 |
| sinzui | I do not think every engineer can be a UI reviewer. | 15:21 |
| mars | so it is just a way to do a light check-up, and defer the "qualified" review until later | 15:22 |
| mars | and you can land in the meantime | 15:22 |
| gary_poster | "can be" is a big statement, but I agree with sinzui's sentiment, if not the wording | 15:22 |
| deryck | if not for abilities as much as lack of desire to learn ;) | 15:23 |
| rockstar | Alright, I'll take this discussion to the AsiaPac meeting and see what happens. | 15:23 |
| gary_poster | right deryck :-) | 15:23 |
| rockstar | Peanut gallery, for anyone who wishes to throw peanuts. | 15:23 |
| * gary_poster eats a peanut instead | 15:24 | |
| henninge | Are we on 2.6. now or not? | 15:24 |
| mars | no | 15:24 |
| gary_poster | I'll ask the losas about the pqm machine | 15:24 |
| gary_poster | that's the last hold out | 15:24 |
| rockstar | Awesome. | 15:25 |
| rockstar | Anything else? | 15:25 |
| rockstar | 5 | 15:25 |
| rockstar | 4 | 15:25 |
| rockstar | 3 | 15:25 |
| bigjools | 6 | 15:25 |
| rockstar | 2 | 15:25 |
| rockstar | 1 | 15:25 |
| henninge | 7? | 15:25 |
| rockstar | Okay, that's a wrap. Thanks for coming everyone! | 15:25 |
| mars | thanks rockstar | 15:25 |
| henninge | rockstar: Thank you! | 15:25 |
| jelmer | thanks Paul | 15:25 |
| gary_poster | thank you | 15:26 |
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